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Title: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 03, 2025, 09:32:17 PM
The Yak cannon is like Bruce Willis in Unbreakable and the P-39 cannon is Mr. Glass.


This has been a long standing issue and maybe another reason the P-39 collects cobwebs in the hangar.

I have a whole bunch of damage list photos of the Yak with machine gun and oil hits, but zero with cannon damage.

Only have a few photos of the P-39 (will get more this tour), but all have cannon damage, with both MGs intact.  The complete opposite of the Yak.


Does this occur in the other Yaks, too?   :noid
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: haggerty on June 04, 2025, 12:11:21 AM
I seem to remember when I was a big Yak9T user that the cannon alternated between AP and HE.  It also has 900 m/sec velocity compared to 600 m/sec of the P-39.
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 04, 2025, 05:44:43 AM
To clarify, I was referring to damage resistance, not ballistics.



In my experience the Yak 9T cannon cannot be damaged, while the P-39 cannon is very easily damaged. 

Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: icepac on June 04, 2025, 05:00:36 PM
The Yak NS-37 cannon is nestled in the Vee of the engine affording a lot more protection than the p39 cannon which is (out in the open) if not for the thin skin of the plane.

Seems accurate to me.
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 05, 2025, 06:31:55 AM
Quote from: icepac on June 04, 2025, 05:00:36 PM
The Yak NS-37 cannon is nestled in the Vee of the engine affording a lot more protection than the p39 cannon which is (out in the open) if not for the thin skin of the plane.

Seems accurate to me.

If that is the reason, then 109s never have cannon damage either?  I don't remember that being the case.
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: Eagler on June 05, 2025, 08:19:31 AM
Quote from: caldera on June 05, 2025, 06:31:55 AM
If that is the reason, then 109s never have cannon damage either?  I don't remember that being the case.

I lose the 30mm in the k4 all the time..

Eagler
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 05, 2025, 04:20:11 PM
Just to show I'm not imagining things, here are 35 screenshots from 35 different sorties.  All with one magical happenstance:  damaged MG and intact cannon. 

Now I remember mentioning this years ago before a long break, but nothing ever became of it.

Only the first sortie is recent.  All the others are from about six years ago, but if the bug was never addressed, should make no difference.
Only flew the 9T for a week and happened again, bringing back memories, so that one is first.

Is it all simply anecdotal or just coincidence?  You be the judge.


Pay attention to the damage list display in the upper left corner of every single shot.


(https://i.postimg.cc/ftk5d1XP/ahss3.png) (https://postimg.cc/ftk5d1XP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3y1bmgqk/ahss5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3y1bmgqk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PpqV4CG2/ahss8.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PpqV4CG2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/njwRwnpZ/ahss12.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/njwRwnpZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GT8MW6mD/ahss13.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GT8MW6mD)

(https://i.postimg.cc/z3VPHHFf/ahss17.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/z3VPHHFf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xXSsZxDk/ahss18.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXSsZxDk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/21FHNQr0/ahss21.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/21FHNQr0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4rdrvSM/ahss23.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4rdrvSM)

(https://i.postimg.cc/KK0JRmKL/ahss25.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KK0JRmKL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/NKfXLmRJ/ahss26.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKfXLmRJ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nXH476f1/ahss34.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/nXH476f1)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BjMxCMqf/ahss35.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjMxCMqf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HV14WrSR/ahss36.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HV14WrSR)

(https://i.postimg.cc/fJ77VMpL/ahss37.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fJ77VMpL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/67qCbn32/ahss40.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67qCbn32)

(https://i.postimg.cc/p9Szwrh0/ahss41.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9Szwrh0)

(https://i.postimg.cc/CnTDK24k/ahss42.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CnTDK24k)

(https://i.postimg.cc/N9rmBtRQ/ahss50.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N9rmBtRQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YjYYPpp3/ahss51.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YjYYPpp3)

(https://i.postimg.cc/BjYKFbgq/ahss119.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BjYKFbgq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/B8j1B3Y2/ahss120.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/B8j1B3Y2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/cvrQXf6K/ahss121.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvrQXf6K)

(https://i.postimg.cc/TyB5ksFF/ahss136.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyB5ksFF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/dLnkM3g8/ahss137.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dLnkM3g8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4n6H5B52/ahss140.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4n6H5B52)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WhsFfgYN/ahss144.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WhsFfgYN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XZBpy8q8/ahss145.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZBpy8q8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bp3dZBf/ahss146.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2bp3dZBf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G8ktXmkT/ahss148.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G8ktXmkT)

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQcj6Rry/ahss152.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQcj6Rry)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YLR9wDDp/ahss153.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YLR9wDDp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Sjf7sywK/ahss154.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Sjf7sywK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/QV3JhBYP/ahss155.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QV3JhBYP)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Vds90x8W/ahss156.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Vds90x8W)




Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 06, 2025, 09:00:18 PM
And I have limited P-39 sorties of late, but have four screenshots.  All show cannon damaged and machine guns untouched.  The opposite of the Yak damage model.  Weird.

(https://i.postimg.cc/5QjWRnCQ/ahss4.png) (https://postimg.cc/5QjWRnCQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/qzS5csGR/ahss2.png) (https://postimg.cc/qzS5csGR) 

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wd1gfZWL/ahss47.png) (https://postimg.cc/Wd1gfZWL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YjBXDXQ5/ahss51.png) (https://postimg.cc/YjBXDXQ5)
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 08, 2025, 07:58:38 AM
Two more from yesterday.

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZCfjmyfZ/ahss5.png) (https://postimg.cc/ZCfjmyfZ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k2zc6P3p/ahss7.png) (https://postimg.cc/k2zc6P3p)
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 10, 2025, 07:20:30 PM
More P-39 glass cannon evidence.  Got one just now diving on 999000.  Closure rate was 300+ mph and he pinged me at about 400 out.  Instant cannon breakage.  But nothing else :bhead

One screenshot shows damage from wing getting shot off, with mysterious bonus cannon damage, but MGs still invincible.


(https://i.postimg.cc/5X856ykt/ahss79.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5X856ykt)

(https://i.postimg.cc/WhCSdQN5/ahss9.png) (https://postimg.cc/WhCSdQN5)

(https://i.postimg.cc/TyX99gWm/ahss10.png) (https://postimg.cc/TyX99gWm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/DSG6LBmn/ahss11.png) (https://postimg.cc/DSG6LBmn)
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: The Fugitive on June 10, 2025, 07:50:29 PM
I know your fresh back to the game, but Hitech hasnt done any updates to the game since March of 2020. I really dont think he will be looking into this.
Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: caldera on June 11, 2025, 05:40:22 AM
Yeah, you're right Fugi.  :cheers:

It's a fool's errand, which I'm perfectly suited for, but it's time to concede defeat.


In honor of this thread's demise:


(https://i.postimg.cc/QxjWj3KY/bugs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVnMqvbc)


Title: Re: Yak 9T cannon vs P-39 cannon
Post by: icepac on June 11, 2025, 09:35:25 AM


(https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/bell-p-39-airacobra-here-s-why-mid-engined-aircraft-doesn-t-make-much-sense_5.jpg) 

(http://replica-weapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ns37_on_m105_engine_lagg3.jpg)