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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mERv on July 26, 2025, 11:08:37 PM
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Its the convergence. Few years back gunning in bombers was like shooting lazer beams. Something changed and I brought it up. Never really tried to figure it out until tonight. The convergence is shorter. I used to be able to accurately pop planes 1k out. Now im lucky to hit within 600. No complaints just stating observation. :salute
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Nothing has changed with bomber guns convergence. Has been at D500 like forever. See this post in Help & Training forum from 2007
A picture is worth a thousand words.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/fuzeman/Bomberguns.jpg)
And it's still at D500 ever since.
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A constructive post from me, who woulda thought? :rofl
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Its the convergence. Few years back gunning in bombers was like shooting lazer beams. Something changed and I brought it up. Never really tried to figure it out until tonight. The convergence is shorter. I used to be able to accurately pop planes 1k out. Now im lucky to hit within 600. No complaints just stating observation. :salute
No, I think your out of practice. hen I was in on you last night, I got closer than norm when fighting you. Your SA was horrible compared to how you use to fly, and by getting that much closer I took you down before you could get a bead on me.
I think if you play a bit more you'll find that the guns are the same and you'll be knocking everyone out of the sky again with ease.
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A constructive post from me, who woulda thought? :rofl
Don't sell yourself short Fuzeman, we luv ya!!!
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A constructive post from me, who woulda thought? :rofl
You might have forgotten, but you were awesome back in the day. :old:
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Nothing has changed with bomber guns convergence. Has been at D500 like forever. See this post in Help & Training forum from 2007
And it's still at D500 ever since.
something changed a couple of years ago.
The distance itself may not have changed but the behavior of tracer eounds certainly has. There is much more arc than in years past. Back in the day bombers line of fire would converge on a point like lazer beams. For awhile now the lead bombers firing arcs drop dramatically after the point of convergence versus the drones. In the past there wasnt much drop due to gravity. Even the slightest change in code would influence this and ive noticed.
No one has flown more sorties in bombers than I have in the past 3 years. Its not something im bragging about im just saying im as qualified as anyone in the game to notice a change. I came to realize last night the convergence is not the same as it used to be. Maybe its the arc of the rounds as they travel, maybe its the spread of the rounds, maybe its changes to both. Something changed and there isnt anyone who fly in bombers enough to cooberate this to any substantial degree. Do it unnounced in a game whos community complains about their time investment getting ruined by cheater bombers and wallah! Problem solved. :banana:
Im all for necessary changes to the game. If Dale made the descision to "level" the playing field a view years back when i was on a tear then that is whats best for the business. The same goes for the drone behavior i spoke of in another thread. All it means is I dont get to fly into a sea of red anymore and come out alive with 10 kills like in the past :salute
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Hmmmm, guns in bombers should not suffer convergence effects. Maybe a bit but we're talking inches of separation, not feet like the spread in fighters. You shouldn't think of multiple bombers having a convergence effect the same as a single fighter.
I suspect the multi gun positions like the tail gunner, ball turret, etc, were not set for convergence. They were likely aimed out to infinity in parallel. If one gun hits then the other is only a foot or two away.
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If you want to think of a three ship bomber formation as having a convergence then think of it as having a dynamic convergence. Convergence continually adjusted for range.
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Kenai77, Lusche you guys crack me up!! :rofl
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Kenai77, Lusche you guys crack me up!! :rofl
Ya Know fuze,,,
As Morgan Freeman would Say Kenai77 and Lusche are Right ya Know
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something changed a couple of years ago.
The distance itself may not have changed but the behavior of tracer eounds certainly has. There is much more arc than in years past. Back in the day bombers line of fire would converge on a point like lazer beams. For awhile now the lead bombers firing arcs drop dramatically after the point of convergence versus the drones. In the past there wasnt much drop due to gravity. Even the slightest change in code would influence this and ive noticed.
No one has flown more sorties in bombers than I have in the past 3 years. Its not something im bragging about im just saying im as qualified as anyone in the game to notice a change. I came to realize last night the convergence is not the same as it used to be. Maybe its the arc of the rounds as they travel, maybe its the spread of the rounds, maybe its changes to both. Something changed and there isnt anyone who fly in bombers enough to cooberate this to any substantial degree. Do it unnounced in a game whos community complains about their time investment getting ruined by cheater bombers and wallah! Problem solved. :banana:
Im all for necessary changes to the game. If Dale made the descision to "level" the playing field a view years back when i was on a tear then that is whats best for the business. The same goes for the drone behavior i spoke of in another thread. All it means is I dont get to fly into a sea of red anymore and come out alive with 10 kills like in the past :salute
I highly doubt any change was made to the base coding of the game without it being documented in patch notes or posted on the forum.
I don't doubt your expertise in bombers but find it hard to believe someone looking for a little confirmation bias in their posts over the person who wrote the code. And I'm sure HTC would not change code 'unannounced' due to people whining about something.
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It's sad to see what happens to legends when they get older :pray :(
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This is all easily verified. Go offline (it won't work on-line) and launch south with a formation then use .target 500 to place the in-game convergence target. I was remembering D400 but that may have been AHI.
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hopefully he has realized that convergence hasn't changed, but its possible bullet velocity changed, that would really screw up any lead computation. I doubt any changes have been made though, its all verifiable by nerds. And with the lack of updates the game has, any sort of hours spent working on the game probably wouldve been proudly announced.
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hopefully he has realized that convergence hasn't changed, but its possible bullet velocity changed, that would really screw up any lead computation. I doubt any changes have been made though, its all verifiable by nerds. And with the lack of updates the game has, any sort of hours spent working on the game probably wouldve been proudly announced.
Updates to the terrsets was not announced.
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Updates to the terrsets was not announced.
Those are just standard player made maps, not coding
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Updates to the terrsets was not announced.
I don't really understand why there is no announcement on the main page website when new maps are released. Thats huge for most games. Shows things are happening in the game. I bet the north america map would have been great for advertising..
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Those are just standard player made maps, not coding
Actually it did involve coding, and required updating foundational components of the game. BTW the Map rotation sequence was changed as well.
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Never thought of it but I agree with this as well… announcements on the website about new maps, skins, etc shows people who might be interested in the game that it is in fact alive and worth at least trying out. The posting of FSO on the main page is great and still shows the community is involved, I think posting screenshots of the new skins/maps would be just as beneficial
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Food for thought…. Have you changed any graphics settings, FOV, or got a new monitor possibly different size? Changing a monitor can affect what you are used to seeing often when gaming.
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There was no issue in giving me a PW at 1000 out and lighting my plane on fire at 800 out, despite dropping on him at 500+mph last week.
One thing I had forgotten but re-learned in that moment, is that bombers flying on the deck are a sucker bet. You can't properly follow through on your attack and are forced to either come in shallow or reduce speed to prevent becoming a lawn ornament.
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What has changed is all those days piled up behind you and so many fewer days ahead of you. In fact, when you look at it that way, why waste the fewer days worrying about little things and just have fun. I promise you will get a brand new plane and no one will know the difference...... unless you post here that you were shot down.
I have not been flying much at all..... but when I do, I test the hardness of the ground right off the bat to get that out of the way. I might take a few trees with me when I do. :D
Have fun!! :aok
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There was no issue in giving me a PW at 1000 out and lighting my plane on fire at 800 out, despite dropping on him at 500+mph last week.
One thing I had forgotten but re-learned in that moment, is that bombers flying on the deck are a sucker bet. You can't properly follow through on your attack and are forced to either come in shallow or reduce speed to prevent becoming a lawn ornament.
:salute
May the baaahhh be with you, always :banana:
I still make good shots but something changed awhile back. Gunning was like shooting laser beams and then one day it was different. Before that time I could go on +10 kill sorties, US heavy bombers were tanks, and it was extremely unfair to the player base.
What I believe were changes to bombers were necessary for the betterment of the community. The one delusional conspiracy I have held onto was that it wasnt HT who made the change...
Kenai77 confirms individual maps may hold the clue in the discrepancies in physics between the different maps i.e. drones acting wonky on a certain map while behaving normally on another. Im not saying there is a grand conspiracy against me. Im also not saying Kenai77 is the one making changes around here. Im not here to make any personal accusations. Ive flown an unhealthy amount of hours in this game coping with mental health issues over the years. Repetition over and over yeilds the same results once you hit a certain level with instinct and muscle memory. Something changed and its never been the same since. :cheers: