Lot of talk in Texas about reducing property taxes and there has been some reduction but not significant imo.
Texas has near the highest property taxes in the country. This will blow your mind: "Texas has higher property taxes per capita than California, despite California's higher property values."
When I was working living in an apartment, I loved not having income tax. As a retired land owner, I hate high property taxes. ;)
And property and sales taxes are highly regressive. Depending on who and what phase of life you are in, some people are perfectly fine with that. I was. ;)
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: AKIron on July 29, 2025, 09:36:39 AM
I took another look and the recent reduction was more than I thought. Primary residence and senior (65+) exemption is now $200K. They really gouge us where I live with school taxes. Gotta pay for that 50 million dollar highschool football stadium they are building a mile down the road.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: CptTrips on July 29, 2025, 09:40:19 AM
I took another look and the recent reduction was more than I thought. Primary residence and senior (65+) exemption is now $200K. They really gouge us where I live with school taxes. Gotta pay for that 50 million dollar highschool football stadium they are building a mile down the road.
I'm still trying to figure out why I have to pay for fishing license because the state care of lakes and wildlife has to be user paid, yet I pay exorbitant school taxes and have never had a child enrolled in any district.
;)
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 29, 2025, 09:48:49 AM
Property tax is theft. Plain a simple. Just another way to rob us blind. Insurance didn't exist yet so people only had to pay that. Now we are paying exorbitant insurance on top of exorbitant property taxes. Its destroying economic growth and making life much harder on Americans. Then you find out your schools suck and your city/county officials dont know how to manage money and cities and allow homeless to trash the streets paying 0 taxes at all. Thats how Portland was. Absolute criminal what they have got away with.
The only tax we should have is sales tax. Everyone pays it. Everyone has opportunity to have variable tax paid based on what they buy. No one can cheat it. No loop holes. No keeping people in their place because they'd rather have handouts instead of taking a raise. Or dont want a raise to avoid the higher tax bracket. A sales tax makes sure the cities are kept clean to encourage tourism, who pay more taxes when they buy things. If you only have an income tax and no sales tax but consider yourself a tourist town, you are hurting your own citizens while not making anything off tourist. How stupid. And why are paying for permits, licenses, car registration, and all this crap they still cannot manage well, when we already pay close to 50% tax already. Its completely out of control.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: CptTrips on July 29, 2025, 12:03:10 PM
I assume you understand the economic argument on why sales tax is regressive?
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Brooke on July 29, 2025, 12:25:38 PM
I never thought I'd see anything serious in moving to end property taxes.
I like that idea very much. Because I don't like that, if there are property taxes, you are renting your property from the state and never actually own it out right. You have to keep paying, and if you can't pay, they take it from you.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: CptTrips on July 29, 2025, 12:29:38 PM
I never thought I'd see anything serious in moving to end property taxes.
I like that idea very much. Because I don't like that, if there are property taxes, you are renting your property from the state and never actually own it out right. You have to keep paying, and if you can't pay, they take it from you.
At this stage in life I like the idea very much. ;)
Yet roads need to be paved and police and fire need to be paid and schools need to be built.
Waste should always be hunted down and purged, but it does require revenue to operate a civil society.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: RUSH1 on July 29, 2025, 01:11:34 PM
At this stage in life I like the idea very much. ;)
Yet roads need to be paved and police and fire need to be paid and schools need to be built.
Waste should always be hunted down and purged, but it does require revenue to operate a civil society.
Old video of its introduction. Several counties are currently being audited with more to come. Of course, the universities (including a friend of mine at FSU who is making six digits while only working about seven months out of the year) are sweating bullets as they know what's coming. No, my friend is not a tenured professor.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 01:55:01 PM
Property tax, most taxes, pay for services we take for granted. No taxes, no nothing.
Is there tax gouging? Absolutely. No doubt.
Raising taxes usually means the state/county intends to spend more than their current intake, or spent themselves into a hole, like IL. That state is well beyond political corruption, everything is corrupt.
In the 90s, in IN, downstate where the capitol is, they tripled taxes in NW IN (purple) but didn’t touch anywhere else (red). A lot of elders lost their homes. They took that money down state for their pretty roads, didn’t spend dime in NWI. All the roads and bridges went to crap, until bridges started falling, then they spent here. They took money from the sale of a toll road (I-90) in NWI, spent all that billions down state.
Taxes are a must, who decides is what matters. Ppl down state here keep voting them in while they eat dirt. IL = corrupt, IN = stupid thieves.
If you!re a snowbird and you don’t want your roads plowed, end taxes.
This subject cannot be not political. Just sayin. Taxes = politics, politics = taxes.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Eagler on July 29, 2025, 02:08:54 PM
With today's home and property inflated values it's forcing some from their homes...
How is that even legal..
Eagler
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 02:24:22 PM
With today's home and property inflated values it's forcing some from their homes...
How is that even legal..
Eagler
Because those who make laws and spend taxes do not care about you, but should. This comes down to party habits. One is for people one is for corporations. Simple.
IL is too far gone fir ANY party to fix, its been both, same results
NWI is suffering bigly from the flight from IL. They fleeing from massive taxes, crowd our roads, and won’t even bid on a house, they will throw $5k-$10k on top if asking price just to get it. No homes left, and if you do find one it’s 100k over priced because ppl from IL will buy it because even massive prices are cheaper than living in IL. And their crime cones with it. Thank cod IN will throw an army at them, now jails are over crowded with Chitcago lead water drinking idiots.
Consider this. 35 mile commute to Chitcago last year for 160 shifts, the commute for the yr was $10k. Because that toll road I mention was privatized and they quadrupled the tolls to show money fir share holders. 2 tolls fir me, $30 round trip just for tolls, parking now $25-60. Cost me $75-100 per day to work in Chicago.
Yep, some make a real regrettable mess if how taxes are done. That side does nit care about you, someone else will buy and pay it
Do you see a tax cut on your SS? Me neither, scam
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Randy1 on July 29, 2025, 02:47:22 PM
With today's home and property inflated values it's forcing some from their homes...
How is that even legal..
Eagler
Off the coast of GA, there are several islands of different sizes. Every time a bridge was built to an island that had no bridge, all those that had lived simple lives there their whole life would be pushed off the island because of property value added tax burden.
Taxes are a necessary evil. I do not mind paying taxes but i draw the line on increased milage rates that adds to inflation tax increases.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Brooke on July 29, 2025, 03:03:51 PM
I understand the need to paying for things (roads, etc.).
But I don't like property tax being the way to do it. You should be able to own your house, not rent it, I feel.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 29, 2025, 03:06:23 PM
I assume you understand the economic argument on why sales tax is regressive?
I assume all tax is regressive since it takes money out of people's pockets. Meanwhile they'll tell you its your companies fault for not paying you enough. But you can control how much sales tax you spend, you cannot control how much income tax gets taken out.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 03:22:05 PM
I assume all tax is regressive since it takes money out of people's pockets. Meanwhile they'll tell you its your companies fault for not paying you enough. But you can control how much sales tax you spend, you cannot control how much income tax gets taken out.
You control it as much you can by fully understanding policies and how you vote. Party line voting is stupid.
The water you drink is a product of taxes, it also provides those jobs. I worked for my home town a cpl yrs decades ago. That’s how I was paid, keeping homes weather proofed and large parks beautiful.
Things are about to get worse in a cpl months, more so 2026-27. You are nit getting a tax cut, you’ll just pay the same, but prices are about to jolt. Tax cuts the rich on your back, is disgusting. Trickle down has not ever once worked, not once. There is no cure for greed. Vote on details.
You’re not mad, yet.
Ya just can’t vote fir a pretty one-line talking point, ir conspiracies, details details details.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: CptTrips on July 29, 2025, 03:24:11 PM
I assume all tax is regressive since it takes money out of people's pockets.
Then I don't think you understand what the term means.
Don't get me wrong. I really want to help the working poor in America. But you should always weigh what just sounds good vs what the actual effect would be. Especially unintended consequences.
I used to be fans of flat tax and sales tax until I looked deeper into it. You could make it work but it would require complex and aggressive exclusions to keep the tax burden from shift from the wealthy to the poor.
If I am raising a family and barely making it and not really paying income tax because of deduction, and you want to replace that with a 10% tax I can't exclude from and\or raise tax on food I already couldn't afford for my kids. When you are close to the edge 10% is the difference between scraping by and not making it.
If you are Paris Hilton 10% of billion won't be missed. One day a week you might wipe your booty with $100 bills instead of $1000 dollar bills.
Same tax, different burdens.
Regressive.
So you'd need lots of exclusions and thresholds to avoid those things disproportionally pound those already just barely getting by.
Possible, but most people calling for those things don't want to have to admit the complexity.
You know someone is full of baloney if they start the conversation with, "It's EASY! All you got to do is...." or "The solution is simple..." there are no simple solutions, only complex tradoffs. If anyone doesn't realize that, they haven't thought about a problem deeply. :aok
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 03:27:36 PM
I understand the need to paying for things (roads, etc.).
But I don't like property tax being the way to do it. You should be able to own your house, not rent it, I feel.
Agreed. Your property tax pays for city works that connect to your home, water lines, sewage, the size of house and land should have zero to do with it.
We are the richest country because the people are way over taxed.
My preference is to vote purple, independent. No natter the color, if they suck, they still suck.
What they are doing now does not have a positive future, for us common joes
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 03:30:59 PM
In Chicago area of IL, I know some with very average 2-3 bedroom homes paying $14,000 property taxes.
NWI, same home, $3k.
The mire people who leave IL the more they have to raise taxes to replace that revenue, the northern part if that state us ready to implode in that death cycle.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Meatwad on July 29, 2025, 03:48:01 PM
Our property taxes jumped up more then what they should have because of "increased property values due to the shortage of houses for sale". Housing market is already way over market value. If/when the correction ever occurs, do you think there will be a correction on property taxes? My magic 8 ball says no.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Eagler on July 29, 2025, 05:05:55 PM
If you watch the video you'll see the money collected as property taxes are also going to non profits...some call it money laundering...
They need an extreme DOGE review under a fiscal microscope to say the least..
Eagler
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: RUSH1 on July 29, 2025, 05:24:55 PM
Our property taxes jumped up more then what they should have because of "increased property values due to the shortage of houses for sale". Housing market is already way over market value. If/when the correction ever occurs, do you think there will be a correction on property taxes? My magic 8 ball says no.
Our current home has devalued about $20K since we bought it two years ago. The tax assessor tried to increase the value over what we paid. Ownwell refuted that and won for us for a small fee. You can challenge the assessment yourself but it is a process. Well worth the small fee we paid ownwell.
https://www.ownwell.com/
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 05:58:34 PM
Our property taxes jumped up more then what they should have because of "increased property values due to the shortage of houses for sale". Housing market is already way over market value. If/when the correction ever occurs, do you think there will be a correction on property taxes? My magic 8 ball says no.
Taxes and prices rarely go down once they know you adjusted to them. Tax appraisals are different than bank/lenders appraisal.
My parents home bank appraisal was 180k, because down state raised taxes for no reason x3 tax appraisal was 250k. Home prices should have zero to do with raising taxes.
The bank will not lend above appraisal unless you will sign to make improvements to justy and raise the value. Anything over bank appraisal comes out of pocket.
They were selling my parents home for tax appraisal, which means if I were stupid enough to pay 250k for 180k home 70k had to come out of pocket. If it burns down you only get what the bank appraised unless you pay more to up the insurance coverage. Thats just bat crap crazy. So now insurance rates raise, one state by 26%.
In IN map, follow down to rt 231, south if that is rural and prices are much lower. Of course others figure that out and flee south from flight from IL ppl. Guess what, now those prices will ruse. The IL rich are moving there, buying farms , building mutli million $ homes and turning farm fields into a massive lawn front yard.
Thise housing market NEEDS to crash to correct it all.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: DmonSlyr on July 29, 2025, 06:06:18 PM
You control it as much you can by fully understanding policies and how you vote. Party line voting is stupid.
The water you drink is a product of taxes, it also provides those jobs. I worked for my home town a cpl yrs decades ago. That’s how I was paid, keeping homes weather proofed and large parks beautiful.
Things are about to get worse in a cpl months, more so 2026-27. You are nit getting a tax cut, you’ll just pay the same, but prices are about to jolt. Tax cuts the rich on your back, is disgusting. Trickle down has not ever once worked, not once. There is no cure for greed. Vote on details.
You’re not mad, yet.
Ya just can’t vote fir a pretty one-line talking point, ir conspiracies, details details details.
Get worse? Tax cuts on business will create massive investment and more jobs than ever. You have no idea. America got wealthy and rich because we use to have some of the lowest taxes in the world and people could own their own property. Thats why so many immigrated here to start their own business and have the opportunity to become successful. Now we have so much bloat that we are basically being held hostage and we've created and allowed a weaker society because of it. Im pretty tired of the defeatist attitude by yall tbh. We use to love talking about the America and the opportunity to become rich. Now yall just want to rob from people who figured out how to be more successful than you so you can create more bloat and larger bureaucracy. That's gonna supposedly help but sldo create more poor lowlife humans we have to subsidize.
"Tax cuts for the rich" is a pretty one-line talking point.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: RUSH1 on July 29, 2025, 06:11:41 PM
Get worse? Tax cuts on business will create massive investment and more jobs than ever. You have no idea. America got wealthy and rich because we use to have some of the lowest taxes in the world and people could own their own property. Thats why so many immigrated here to start their own business and have the opportunity to become successful. Now we have so much bloat that we are basically being held hostage and we've created and allowed a weaker society because of it. Im pretty tired of the defeatist attitude by yall tbh. We use to love talking about the America and the opportunity to become rich. Now yall just want to rob from people who figured out how to be more successful than you so you can create more bloat and larger bureaucracy. That's gonna supposedly help but sldo create more poor lowlife humans we have to subsidize.
"Tax cuts for the rich" is a pretty one-line talking point.
I've pointed this out several times (thanks crazy Bernie), but I wonder if he knows what Sweden's corporate tax is, or that Sweden has no minimum wage?
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 06:23:41 PM
Get worse? Tax cuts on business will create massive investment and more jobs than ever. You have no idea. America got wealthy and rich because we use to have some of the lowest taxes in the world and people could own their own property. Thats why so many immigrated here to start their own business and have the opportunity to become successful. Now we have so much bloat that we are basically being held hostage and we've created and allowed a weaker society because of it. Im pretty tired of the defeatist attitude by yall tbh. We use to love talking about the America and the opportunity to become rich. Now yall just want to rob from people who figured out how to be more successful than you so you can create more bloat and larger bureaucracy. That's gonna supposedly help but sldo create more poor lowlife humans we have to subsidize.
"Tax cuts for the rich" is a pretty one-line talking point.
I stopped after 3 sentences, that wish is called trickle down. It gas never once worked in YSA history, not ever, not once. Its bs, period.
Orange first term tax cuts for he rich they said sane exact thing. Instead they didn’t create jobs they used the money to buy stocks back.its a con to get money from your pocket to theirs snd happy about it.
So in this case you’re talking out if both sides of the mouth. Angry about taxes, yet happy to pay them fir s failed promise. Trickle down just kicks the football of pain down the road to be forgotten. Trickle down cannot work with the greedy
Its a con and you’re buying it.
I challenge anyone to prive trickle down has wirked WUTH DETAILS, not videos.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 29, 2025, 06:27:03 PM
I stopped after 3 sentences, that wish is called trickle down. It gas never once worked in YSA history, not ever, not once. Its bs, period.
Orange first term tax cuts for he rich they said sane exact thing. Instead they didn’t create jobs they used the money to buy stocks back.its a con to get money from your pocket to theirs snd happy about it.
So in this case you’re talking out if both sides of the mouth. Angry about taxes, yet happy to pay them fir s failed promise. Trickle down just kicks the football of pain down the road to be forgotten. Trickle down cannot work with the greedy
Its a con and you’re buying it.
I challenge anyone to prive trickle down has wirked WUTH DETAILS, not videos.
Do you think every dollar potentially saved by lowering taxes on businesses just goes into the CEOs pocket? If my company now has less burden of tax, I can now re-invest that back into my business. If I can increase budgets down the income statement, that means I have additional money to buy more things, including employees, including new locations, including additional expenditures the company wasn't able to afford before the tax cuts. I really dont understand how thats so complicated to understand.
Btw, those tax cuts saved me $60 a paycheck, which we bought a Wok with on the first pay check with the tax cut. Boom helped the economy and gave us something to cook with... we have one of the most promising economic outlook we've ever had in a long time. You are listening to straight up fools man. You'll continue to see as we move on into next year.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: RUSH1 on July 29, 2025, 07:29:45 PM
Do you think every dollar potentially saved by lowering taxes on businesses just goes into the CEOs pocket? If my company now has less burden of tax, I can now re-invest that back into my business. If I can increase budgets down the income statement, that means I have additional money to buy more things, including employees, including new locations, including additional expenditures the company wasn't able to afford before the tax cuts. I really dont understand how thats so complicated to understand.
Btw, those tax cuts saved me $60 a paycheck, which we bought a Wok with on the first pay check with the tax cut. Boom helped the economy and gave us something to cook with... we have one of the most promising economic outlook we've ever had in a long time. You are listening to straight up fools man. You'll continue to see as we move on into next year.
They refuse to understand because you're evil for owning a business, no matter the size. Meanwhile ...
Do you think every dollar potentially saved by lowering taxes on businesses just goes into the CEOs pocket? If my company now has less burden of tax, I can now re-invest that back into my business. If I can increase budgets down the income statement, that means I have additional money to buy more things, including employees, including new locations, including additional expenditures the company wasn't able to afford before the tax cuts. I really dont understand how thats so complicated to understand.
Btw, those tax cuts saved me $60 a paycheck, which we bought a Wok with on the first pay check with the tax cut. Boom helped the economy and gave us something to cook with... we have one of the most promising economic outlook we've ever had in a long time. You are listening to straight up fools man. You'll continue to see as we move on into next year.
Arguing with facts and logic to those who have chosen to abandon facts and logic is akin to administering medicine to the dead.
You'll never get some people to grasp that every tax you levy upon businesses is passed along directly to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Those taxes also discourage investment, as well as additional pay and benefits for employees.
People swear taxes are the price for civilized society, roads, utilities, and schools. Looked at society lately? Driven on the roads? Looked at the utility grid? Dealt with the "education" these "children" have gotten? The ROI for your tax dollars is well under 10%. The government is bloated to the point where 75% of it is a useless drain on the economy, and most of that is a money laundering operation.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Eagler on July 30, 2025, 06:21:15 AM
Please keep your favorite politician out of this thread Animl-AW..
The comments on that video says it all..
"No matter how you slice it accessed value is a tax on an unrealized gain"
I have seen property values swing more than 40% on acres of totally undeveloped land in one year...
Who are these ppl?
Eagler
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 30, 2025, 06:49:53 AM
Yall ignored the obvious and voted for this.
No more tears
Wait until tariff prices actually hit, they haven’t yet, 2026 you lose a lot more, snd guess what they have another bill of more cuts coming in sept.
Getting info from YT is idiotic its doctor shopping
Complaining what a red state does to you is rich. When you gonna stop posting political threads asking for it. I don’t create political threads, you do.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Eagler on July 30, 2025, 07:08:07 AM
Animl-AW
We get it...thanks for your incredible insight...you are now free to spew in other threads and leave this one alone..before you get it closed..
This is a subject I am interested in as it has a bearing on our next move...sell from an established neighborhood in sw FL and relocate to 18 acres in northeast Florida and build it out..
Thanks
Eagler
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 30, 2025, 07:19:22 AM
I didn’t insult people until they could stand another POV
YOU CANNOT TALK TAXES WITHOUT DISCUSSING HOW THEY HAPPENED.
Your political based threads get locked without me saying anything
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Eagler on July 30, 2025, 07:29:14 AM
Wait until tariff prices actually hit, they haven’t yet, 2026 you lose a lot more, snd guess what they have another bill of more cuts coming in sept.
Getting info from YT is idiotic its doctor shopping
Complaining what a red state does to you is rich. When you gonna stop posting political threads asking for it. I don’t create political threads, you do.
Increased payroll and economic growth this quarter. I just dont understand why you guys are so angry all of the time. We had 4 years of your guy and he couldn't even sign his own bills and had rampant inflation that forced rate increases knocking people on both sides of the equation. IMO. Yall dont have any leg to stand on after that. And all yall can do is spread fear propaganda for something in the future that isnt even going to happen because your side knows how to take advantage of people who dont understand business. I'll take my global business leader fighting for America over a drunk prosecutor DEI hire from a poorly run state like California any day.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: RUSH1 on July 30, 2025, 09:11:45 AM
You'll never get some people to grasp that every tax you levy upon businesses is passed along directly to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Those taxes also discourage investment, as well as additional pay and benefits for employees.
Exactly what they scream, though, whenever Trump threatens tariffs. Selective understanding.
People swear taxes are the price for civilized society, roads, utilities, and schools. Looked at society lately? Driven on the roads? Looked at the utility grid? Dealt with the "education" these "children" have gotten? The ROI for your tax dollars is well under 10%. The government is bloated to the point where 75% of it is a useless drain on the economy, and most of that is a money laundering operation.
Yet, no need for DOGE.
Title: Re: Property tax
Post by: Animl-AW on July 30, 2025, 11:30:39 AM
FACT; I, nor anyone else, needs to be angry to disagree nor present facts OR small talk. The first anger in this thread came from your side, Like always, his first input is an meager insult. He knows nothing else. He sees my name and starts frothing. It affects me not.
But I get it, this tribe is not open to counter points or facts, they must exclude it to stay on course. Self convincing mode.
Hey! If I’m wrong and we the people prosper more, I’ll wave that damn flag with you. I’m not afraid of being wrong and eating crow. However, the true actual data does not support that.
That tribe refuses to listen to anything. But they talk until they become intolerable. Its a one sided convo or nothing.
People who know me and converse with me have no clue where this Animl is always angry nonsense comes from. Most here do neither. I’m simply a bad guy because I don’t always agree with politics. Forgive me for thinking for myself. How dare me. <shrug> freedom of speech only applies to one side. We get it. I guess I should learn the goose step to be “accepted” by the holy.