General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKIron on July 31, 2025, 05:32:10 PM
Title: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on July 31, 2025, 05:32:10 PM
Is it dead?
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on July 31, 2025, 05:40:54 PM
ROE forced the dogfight in many instances. Not the capability of the stand off weapons. The Phoenix carried by the F-14 could really reach out and touch someone.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on July 31, 2025, 05:49:21 PM
AI drones. AI missiles. The better technology and smarter AI wins. Humans are relegated to making policy. For now.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Eagler on July 31, 2025, 06:09:19 PM
Yes it's over...AI swarm drones will take it's place..
I think drones have altered what we should expect out of our airforces today..
Eagler
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 31, 2025, 06:24:24 PM
They've claimed that ever since Korea.
If RoE requires visual ID confirmation, it's not over.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Eagler on July 31, 2025, 07:05:34 PM
If RoE requires visual ID confirmation, it's not over.
That's were AI comes in...no human needed
There are no real wars anymore, just one side pounding the crap out of the otherside until something changes...
If a real war started, the globe would be on fire in a month..
Eagler
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: icepac on August 01, 2025, 06:19:36 AM
Many are overestimating AI’s abilities and ignoring the possibility that AI will not react to finding it has been programmed with an agenda of lies.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Meatwad on August 01, 2025, 07:49:22 AM
the AI can be programmed to go to target area A and kill anything that moves, either the objective or civilian. It will not know any better and will do so without mercy.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on August 01, 2025, 09:21:28 AM
How could a human pilot hope to dogfight a remotely piloted drone capable of sustaining 20 G maneuvers? The drones could also be semi or fully autonomous. The remote pilots could be nearby or thousands of miles away. Many ways to provide the remote control links and redundancy no doubt a consideration.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Eagler on August 01, 2025, 10:51:06 AM
How could a human pilot hope to dogfight a remotely piloted drone capable of sustaining 20 G maneuvers? The drones could also be semi or fully autonomous. The remote pilots could be nearby or thousands of miles away. Many ways to provide the remote control links and redundancy no doubt a consideration.
How about a dozen drones?
War will be interesting when they can built 1000's of dronesfor thecpst of one aircraft...no airbase needed, just a semi trailer filled with them..
It will allow 3rd world crap holes to get a better even footing against much larger richer countries...
AI will not have any morals but will be the perfect soldier executing orders without thought or delay... :salute
Many will be fire and forget as it will know what window to fly through and explode and at what time...:aok
Eagler
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on August 01, 2025, 11:20:42 AM
Small, fast, hi g capable, remote piloted or autonomous with a 20mm cannon in the nose. Game over man, game over.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Eagler on August 01, 2025, 11:35:11 AM
Imagine if you started a war, you were blown up within 24hrs?
Not sure why the ones who start these wars aren't the 1st to die in them...
Wasn't really possible before but much more possible now..
Eagler
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on August 01, 2025, 01:35:02 PM
There was a time when kings rode into battle with their armies. It did nothing to prevent war, or even slow it.
Hmmm, I seem to recall several Kings in the middle ages that were killed in battle, then there were the battles in Britain with the Vikings and again several kings were killed. Now if you are referring contemporary National leaders (Kings), I would agree.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Shuffler on August 01, 2025, 04:28:28 PM
In the end AI is artificial and somewhere requires actual intelligence to run it.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on August 01, 2025, 06:12:13 PM
"Actual intelligence"? Have you been on social media? ;)
I do not do... so called "social media". Nothing social about it. Most of those folks have no idea how to approach someone and start a conversation. :rofl
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on August 04, 2025, 12:33:33 PM
I do not do... so called "social media". Nothing social about it. Most of those folks have no idea how to approach someone and start a conversation. :rofl
This board qualifies as social media though in an older fashion.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: uptown on August 05, 2025, 04:09:18 AM
It depends on how you define dogfighting. WW1 is dogfighting in the purest sense of the term, so I would argue that the introduction of air to air rockets ended pure dogfighting. Anything after that I'd call air to air combat. But, if that's the case arming 2 AI drones with just guns and they jockey with one another for a gun solution is dogfighting...just without the humans onboard. Dogfighting will never die but how we go about it has evolved over time.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Eagler on August 05, 2025, 06:33:19 AM
It will die just like many other war weapons and strategies have over time...
Top gun movies aren't real lol
Eagler
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on August 05, 2025, 07:54:07 AM
I think "dogfight" is more an allusion to the close quarter jockeying for position in a fight than the weapons employed. Missiles are just smarter bullets.
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: Eagler on August 05, 2025, 08:18:41 AM
I think "dogfight" is more an allusion to the close quarter jockeying for position in a fight than the weapons employed. Missiles are just smarter bullets.
Nah missiles don't count as dogfighting as it has always meant..
There aren't going to be drone dogfighting either..
Man to man .. no radar, flares or chaff allowed..
Eagler
Title: Re: Dogfighting
Post by: AKIron on August 05, 2025, 10:05:43 AM