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Title: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 09, 2025, 08:54:23 PM
You've been exposed  :old: I noticed when your 110C had the top K/D of the entire arena last tour.  ;)

Go back and look at his last 3 tours. Seemingly killing the 1 guy over and over again. #1 fighter so far this tour with an 8 kill sortie on 1 guy getting over 36 hit % and 4k points. I cant even get 1k points for 2 landed sorties with 5-6 kills a peice...

  Tsk tsk...
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: hazmatt on August 09, 2025, 09:10:33 PM
What about that Machell guy? Looks like he killed 5 B17s with an M3!
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: The Fugitive on August 09, 2025, 09:16:43 PM
What about that Machell guy? Looks like he killed 5 B17s with an M3!

Thats Finetime, he bails a lot
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: caldera on August 09, 2025, 09:54:34 PM
I noticed that too.  Pretty lucky to be finding the same shade - err, "noob" all tour.  And while flying a 40ENY plane to boot. 
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: hazmatt on August 09, 2025, 10:07:40 PM
Thats Finetime, he bails a lot

Ah, that makes sense. I didn't look to see who it was, just the plane type.

Speaking of shady types. It appears that hazmat has been gone for a couple tour now. Wonder what the callsign for hi new shade is.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 10, 2025, 03:34:12 AM
Thats Finetime, he bails a lot

You sure about that? I dont think Finetime flies Bostons... and this wasnt bailed out kills given his sheer amount of points and hit %. These are runway vulch kills. Further, it would be one thing to say he got a lucky sortie one tour. Doing it 3 months in a row on random names is sus and should be looked into.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Eagler on August 10, 2025, 06:21:05 AM
Where do you see the 110c stats?

Eagler
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: caldera on August 10, 2025, 07:16:25 AM
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/planes.php
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Eagler on August 10, 2025, 07:23:05 AM
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/planes.php

Thanks!

Eagler
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Max on August 10, 2025, 07:49:02 AM
You've been exposed  :old: I noticed when your 110C had the top K/D of the entire arena last tour.  ;)

Go back and look at his last 3 tours. Seemingly killing the 1 guy over and over again. #1 fighter so far this tour with an 8 kill sortie on 1 guy getting over 36 hit % and 4k points. I cant even get 1k points for 2 landed sorties with 5-6 kills a peice...

  Tsk tsk...

Oh my goodness gracious...are you suggestion Foreskin Foolishness? Why hasn't this been brought to light until now? JVLees....DO YOUR JOB!!!!!   :old: :x :devil :neener:
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Banshee7 on August 10, 2025, 09:47:13 AM
Imagine boosting your rank in AH in 2025.  Wow.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: RELIC on August 10, 2025, 11:06:16 AM
I like how he changed the name of his "target" thinking that would hide his scheme.   :rofl
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: uptown on August 10, 2025, 11:38:57 AM
SHawk showed me how to game the score years ago and after that, scores and ranks mean nothing to me. The funny thing is that you don't have to cheat to get good scores or rank. I suspect the player in question is a silly kid trying to look good.
This kind of activity was way worse when we had massive numbers in the game. I didn't condone this stuff then, and I don't now, but what ya going to do? Hopefully, this person will realize how dumb his efforts are. There's nothing worse than worrying about a scoring system that can be gamed so easily. If anything, the ranking system only provides a window into a player's knowledge of the game and not one's skill level.  :salute
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Eagler on August 10, 2025, 11:54:06 AM
Score makes for a boring game for me..

I more than not lately look for ways to die to save the rtb trip..

Eagler
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: hazmatt on August 10, 2025, 01:03:29 PM
ranking system only provides a window into a player's knowledge of the game and not one's skill level.  :salute

I agree that score has no reflection on actual skill.

I would take a perk mossie and rearm like 5 times and bomb like 5 cities and I would have a decent bomber rank for the rest of the campaign. Likewise I would take a rocket tank into a town and destroy it and if I could get a gv kill or two I'd have a good enough gv rank for the rest of the game. Keep in mind I wasn't trying to get to number one. I was just trying to show on the top 50 and I could do this easily with one mission in a bomber and one or two in a gv. Not hard to game it at all. To me the toughest to game was the fighter score. Easiest way I found to do this was to fly an F4U1C off the carrier and vulch a base. You could rack up some kills right quick and then you would be done with the fighter score too. 
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: uptown on August 10, 2025, 02:37:29 PM
Fighter score is a tough one for sure. I realize it can be gamed too, but aside from GVs, fighter score is the only slice of the game where your ACM and gunnery skilled are challenged by other players skills and knowledge imo. Shooting static targets is pretty easy really. It's a nonperishable skill whereas fighter skills {ACM & gunnery) always have to be honed and refined as the players and planes change. When I get into a head to head with real ACM guy, I usually find out real quick how crappy at this game I can be, even though I can keep a top 100 rank all tour if I tried. I just keep everything in attack or bomber mode and lets the chips fall where they may. No stress, no pressure  :joystick:
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: thndregg on August 10, 2025, 03:44:22 PM
I just do what I do in my niche. To be that obsessed with achieving some top spot in a fantasy world of any kind in any unethical way possible signifies a kind of mental illness.

I also work online, and earn real money, and there is a very real score & rank system. I work hard and honestly, and I'm in a top spot with the company I work through.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: uptown on August 11, 2025, 07:50:40 AM
I just do what I do in my niche. To be that obsessed with achieving some top spot in a fantasy world of any kind in any unethical way possible signifies a kind of mental illness.

I also work online, and earn real money, and there is a very real score & rank system. I work hard and honestly, and I'm in a top spot with the company I work through.
  :lol I always said, rank was for the unemployed.  :salute
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 11, 2025, 08:29:33 AM
Understanding how to get a good score and following through is one thing, but flat out gaming it by shooting shades is another, and should be called out and frowned upon. While getting a good rank overall is quite easy once you understand the metrics, it should still be done honorably. I like to try for the best fighter score I can achieve on a personal level with the time I get to play. Most guys have beat my scores due to flying jets and temps, and while I think it's lame, its still doing it within the boundaries of the gameplay and not a "set up". I find being in the top 5 does take some skills, and certainly air combat understanding. Though the plane you chose to fly makes a huge difference in how easy or challenging getting there is. Plus you have to make sure you understand the situation in order to get enough kills, points, and K/H to stay in the mix, that can be challenging if you dont get to play a whole lot. I do see many folks who fly way too timidly and if they are trying to get a better score flying like that, they arent doing it right  :old:

Of course ranking does infact add another level of challenge and stress, its why for certain events or furball lakes, I dont find scoring necessary since it may cause players to fly a certain way rather than just having fun and letting lose down low n slow.

I think its far more beneficial to learn defense in slower planes than it is to fly faster planes and only BnZ trying for score. The players who only utilize BnZ miss a lot of great fight opportunities and arent developing their gameplay to the fullest extent, which is why their fighter score suffers. Overall, for me, I think its fun to challenge myself and see what kind of successful sorties I can put together.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: xanax on August 11, 2025, 09:41:12 AM
https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/scores/planes.php

Well I'll be damned. I failed to realize you could click on the plane name and see who's been flying them. I was wondering where people were getting all these facts and figures! Interesting to see some guys are flying the open cockpit Russian machine on occasion among other oddballs.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 11, 2025, 09:45:52 AM
Well I'll be damned. I failed to realize you could click on the plane name and see who's been flying them. I was wondering where people were getting all these facts and figures! Interesting to see some guys are flying the open cockpit Russian machine on occasion among other oddballs.

Many times its a limit to the field, the I-16 is allowed at vehicle bases on some maps.  I imagine its good to snap a few bombers that come in low, and the rockets are convenient for vehicles if you can aim them.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 11, 2025, 11:33:27 AM
Many times its a limit to the field, the I-16 is allowed at vehicle bases on some maps.  I imagine its good to snap a few bombers that come in low, and the rockets are convenient for vehicles if you can aim them.

The I16 and Brewster's availability at the V-bases started with Buzzsaw, I extended it to the Flak bases on several of my maps.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 11, 2025, 11:50:02 AM
Imagine boosting your rank in AH in 2025.  Wow.

What's weird is he is not even competitive in the ranks after paying extra to have a farm.  Without farming the same guy he would have almost no kills.  Atleast May1 got #1 with his farming, but it was more obvious and was revoked by Skuzzy.  Now that we don't have Skuzzy I fear something like this could actually go without being reverted if he managed to keep #1 at the end of the month.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Banshee7 on August 11, 2025, 12:00:37 PM
What's weird is he is not even competitive in the ranks after paying extra to have a farm.  Without farming the same guy he would have almost no kills. 

that's even sadder  :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: molybdenum on August 11, 2025, 02:10:27 PM
You've been exposed  :old: I noticed when your 110C had the top K/D of the entire arena last tour.  ;)

Go back and look at his last 3 tours. Seemingly killing the 1 guy over and over again. #1 fighter so far this tour with an 8 kill sortie on 1 guy getting over 36 hit % and 4k points. I cant even get 1k points for 2 landed sorties with 5-6 kills a peice...

  Tsk tsk...

Yup. Machell. And he and Huckster were side by side at a strat on Buzzsaw, with Machell seemingly afk, a couple of days ago. It all makes sense now.
Hope his squad discourages that kind of behavior in the future. Unseemly.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2025, 02:01:29 PM
Number 1 Frozen Margarita Flyer.... SHUFFLER
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 12, 2025, 02:22:03 PM
Of course ranking does infact add another level of challenge and stress, its why for certain events or furball lakes, I dont find scoring necessary since it may cause players to fly a certain way rather than just having fun and letting lose down low n slow.

Congragulations! You have just won one very beautiful chrome dinette.  :aok

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I think its far more beneficial to learn defense in slower planes than it is to fly faster planes and only BnZ trying for score. The players who only utilize BnZ miss a lot of great fight opportunities and arent developing their gameplay to the fullest extent, which is why their fighter score suffers.

Wellll,....I think anyone who knows me, I usually fly solo, and I will TnB my BnZ right into a proud death.
That said, my score has gotten better, first indication I was labeled a cheater 3 weeks ago, I'm damn proud of that accomplishment, keep your hands off it.

I get exhaust me watching ZE push around a Brewster.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: mERv on August 12, 2025, 08:15:59 PM
Thats Finetime, he bails a lot

I do? Or I have....  :ahand

The baahhh doesnt bail unless there is a good reason :old:

Even when i bailed 300 times on the runway on both accounts once in protest of high eny due to inactive players aka shades while rooks and bishops double teamed knights at a base :x. My hands were sore after that :bhead

Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: hazmatt on August 12, 2025, 09:08:15 PM
I do? Or I have....  :ahand

The baahhh doesnt bail unless there is a good reason :old:

Even when i bailed 300 times on the runway on both accounts once in protest of high eny due to inactive players aka shades while rooks and bishops double teamed knights at a base :x. My hands were sore after that :bhead

Glad whatever it was you were rubbing that made you hands sore is ok! :aok
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 13, 2025, 07:14:28 PM
Watched him go straight for Machell 4 straight times in one sortie at different spots, with Machell below dar bar, so no indication he was coming and where.  Now I'm watching them drive together on the same team towards a strat, Huckster in a T34 and Machell to supply him in an m3.
On one occasion I intercepted Machell before Huckster and he defended himself, but when Huckster intercepts there is no defense...but he did ram him twice lol.
Hopefully the Jokers address this and also HiTech either wiping his record for the month or outright banning him for a bit.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 13, 2025, 08:43:34 PM
For some reason attaching the film isnt an option, here is a youtube link for one of the intercepts.  Camps a few feet back to increase his hit %....no wonder he rammed him twice today.

https://youtu.be/t3H9knDEEBw
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Oldmax6 on August 14, 2025, 07:31:47 AM
You've been exposed  :old: I noticed when your 110C had the top K/D of the entire arena last tour.  ;)

Go back and look at his last 3 tours. Seemingly killing the 1 guy over and over again. #1 fighter so far this tour with an 8 kill sortie on 1 guy getting over 36 hit % and 4k points. I cant even get 1k points for 2 landed sorties with 5-6 kills a peice...

  Tsk tsk...
Hi.
Yesterday i was reading about this on 200 and all i can say thst im sorry for this. Now when that is said. Joker did Cameron online and kicked him out of our squad. This is what i know for sure.  <S> oldmax6.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Oldmax6 on August 14, 2025, 07:35:20 AM
Hi.
I was reading this on 200 yesterday and all i can say that im sorry for this. Now when that is said. Joker came online and kicked him out of our squad.  That is all thst i know. <S> Oldmax6
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 14, 2025, 07:42:32 AM
Im glad to hear Oldmax  :aok. I was a bit concerned with The squads silence on this last night. Not a good look for the squad. I do feel HTC should intervene with atleast a warning to huckster and Machel at minimum since this kind of stuff isnt good for the game. They can go to match play or custom arena if they want to practice shooting each other. The MA is not the place for that.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: hazmatt on August 14, 2025, 01:05:07 PM
Watched him go straight for Machell 4 straight times in one sortie at different spots, with Machell below dar bar, so no indication he was coming and where.  Now I'm watching them drive together on the same team towards a strat, Huckster in a T34 and Machell to supply him in an m3.
On one occasion I intercepted Machell before Huckster and he defended himself, but when Huckster intercepts there is no defense...but he did ram him twice lol.
Hopefully the Jokers address this and also HiTech either wiping his record for the month or outright banning him for a bit.

So you're saying I can't pay for two accounts and use one to practice gunnery on the other? Wouldn't that be my $30 a month to do what I want with?!
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Lazerr on August 14, 2025, 05:54:31 PM
So you're saying I can't pay for two accounts and use one to practice gunnery on the other? Wouldn't that be my $30 a month to do what I want with?!

Offline drones are available for that.  You can have two accounts... but use them poorly and you won't have either.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 14, 2025, 08:37:48 PM
Thats Finetime, he bails a lot

I don't think that's one of his accounts
I'm not sure he even plays this game much
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 14, 2025, 11:22:17 PM
I don't think that's one of his accounts
I'm not sure he even plays this game much

What he was getting at is that Finetime bails alot so Machel having kills on him in an m-3 isnt concerning, its just what happens when Finetime wants to go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 14, 2025, 11:23:21 PM
So you're saying I can't pay for two accounts and use one to practice gunnery on the other? Wouldn't that be my $30 a month to do what I want with?!

yes, no. 

There are unranked arenas for that stuff, specifically the training arena.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: fuzeman on August 18, 2025, 05:09:11 AM
I wish people would differentiate between JOKER and Joker. 
They are two completely different players.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 18, 2025, 09:55:33 AM
What he was getting at is that Finetime bails alot so Machel having kills on him in an m-3 isnt concerning, its just what happens when Finetime wants to go somewhere else.

Ya I was wrong on accounts

I bail a lot to go somewhere else too.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: JimmyD3 on August 18, 2025, 12:04:06 PM
He was still listed as a Jokers Jokers last night. :bolt:
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 18, 2025, 12:08:09 PM
He was breaking up alot when I was on local radio with him.  I didnt ask him anything but it seemed like he was trying to defend his actions as if the other account was a grand daughter.  Probably trying to use the same excuse as others have done about teaching someone the game by constantly farming them with the other just learning how to fly straight on another team.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Max on August 18, 2025, 01:07:14 PM
Connivers gonna connive.  :old:
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: molybdenum on August 18, 2025, 08:42:42 PM
Hi.
I was reading this on 200 yesterday and all i can say that im sorry for this. Now when that is said. Joker came online and kicked him out of our squad.  That is all thst i know. <S> Oldmax6

He's still a Joker as of today.

Not really my business--not my squad--and if it somehow happened with a semi-new guy in v97th I'm not sure what we would have done. We're pretty careful about whom we let in, so I doubt it would have happened.
But if it had...A "never again, or else" warning, probably?

But he hasn't been kicked out of the squad.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: GOODBYE on August 18, 2025, 09:05:52 PM
That’s weird because he WAS kicked out. He could’ve created his own squad with the jokers name or he was taken back
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: molybdenum on August 18, 2025, 09:10:39 PM
That’s weird because he WAS kicked out. He could’ve created his own squad with the jokers name or he was taken back

I was on this morning. On the roster he was still identified as a Joker. Maybe there's a lag time for an ex-squaddie to be shown to be unaffiliated any more?
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: hazmatt on August 18, 2025, 09:11:28 PM
He was breaking up alot when I was on local radio with him.  I didnt ask him anything but it seemed like he was trying to defend his actions as if the other account was a grand daughter.  Probably trying to use the same excuse as others have done about teaching someone the game by constantly farming them with the other just learning how to fly straight on another team.

I did that with my kids. I set up a player arena and they would fly bombers and I would attack from dead 6. They really enjoyed it. I don't think it helped their score much though.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 18, 2025, 09:32:20 PM
I did that with my kids. I set up a player arena and they would fly bombers and I would attack from dead 6. They really enjoyed it. I don't think it helped their score much though.

thankfully setting up a player arena has no impact on scores
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: GOODBYE on August 19, 2025, 03:41:04 PM
I was on this morning. On the roster he was still identified as a Joker. Maybe there's a lag time for an ex-squaddie to be shown to be unaffiliated any more?

What I’m saying is that he was out of colors on the roster after this whole thread was posted, meaning he was not listed as a Joker on the roster. If he is now listed as a joker then he was either added again by someone within the arena OR he made his own squad within the arena to have colors again on the roster
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: TalonX on August 19, 2025, 07:00:11 PM
What I’m saying is that he was out of colors on the roster after this whole thread was posted, meaning he was not listed as a Joker on the roster. If he is now listed as a joker then he was either added again by someone within the arena OR he made his own squad within the arena to have colors again on the roster


Apparently reinstated. 
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: caldera on August 20, 2025, 04:53:33 AM
He had to swear fealty and kiss Joker's ring.  Again.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: hazmatt on August 20, 2025, 09:24:23 AM
He had to swear fealty and kiss Joker's ring.  Again.

Glad it was just his ring. I heard a rumor it used to be something else.  :bolt:
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 20, 2025, 09:46:10 PM
I do feel its necessary for the Jokers Jokers squad to provide us an explanation for why they are allowing a player to farm kills in the MA?
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 20, 2025, 10:28:14 PM
I do feel its necessary for the Jokers Jokers squad to provide us an explanation for why they are allowing a player to farm kills in the MA?

None of our biz.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: The Fugitive on August 20, 2025, 10:31:38 PM
I do feel its necessary for the Jokers Jokers squad to provide us an explanation for why they are allowing a player to farm kills in the MA?

LOL!!!!! this is NOT a military operation, its a game. If that what a player want to do then thats what they do. A squad has little or no ability to "allow" or "not allow" ahow a player plays the game.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 21, 2025, 07:43:38 AM
So you guys are fine with gaming stats and gaming shooting a player over and over again to game the ranks and stats. This undermines the integrity of the system, in typical Jokers fashion who are fine with ruining the game I guess.


Come on. Yall are better than that.  :mad:

Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 21, 2025, 07:49:45 AM
Atleast he appeared to stop after 3 months of doing it, but yeah, I wouldnt want someone like that in my squad.  It looks like he is their m3 mule though, so he is pretty valuable asset to them in off hours.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Lazerr on August 21, 2025, 10:15:43 AM
If you are cool with shooting a 2nd account for points.. I'd bet that same individual is willing to stoop to some other low forms of gameplay behavior that most of us would frown upon.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: The Fugitive on August 21, 2025, 11:35:34 AM
So you guys are fine with gaming stats and gaming shooting a player over and over again to game the ranks and stats. This undermines the integrity of the system, in typical Jokers fashion who are fine with ruining the game I guess.


Come on. Yall are better than that.  :mad:

First off it is a waste of time to compare yourself to anyone else in scores/ranks. They can easily be twisted....case in point. The score/rank system doesnt show the skill of a player, only what they do in the game. Most of the high ranking fighter guys are pick and runners, would you call them good fighters? Not me Id call them very good pick and run artist. The scores are just a "general" way of ranking players.

How others play the game is just that, how "they" play the game. There is a rook squad that is known for only dropping below 10K when they are running home with their handful of picks, but it the way they want to play. If a squad is on and loves rolling undefended bases then they can do that, but wouldnt that skew the base takes in both GVs and Goons (it does), which then skews the bomber and GV ranks/scores. Players are always messing with the score whether they mean to or not.

Then you have the blatant ones like the one called out in the OP. More than likely a kid looking for a fast way up the scoring sheet. Had he been a little smarter about it it may have slipped by for months more. Having been let back into, or never having been kicked out shows either the squad doesnt care or the player has been told its uncool to blatantly manipulate your score like that and please stop. Either way unless Hitech gets into it that is the extent of what the squad can do.

Finally, do I care? No, because I dont use the scores and ranks to compare myself to other players. Some players get to play 60-100 hours a month, that skews a number of ranks in their score/ranks totals. Some players jump from team to team always in the action which again skews scores and ranks. There are so many ways of player this game that the score system could NEVER give a true score/rank of the players.

I only use the scores and ranks to compare my skills to my skills. I practice buff runs to keep my timing sharp on flattening towns. Some call it "milk runs", but when my squad needs me to flatten a town there is a good chance Ill get it done. Hit percentage is important to me in a bomber, but only mine. Its the same in fighters. I have set a goal for each tour. 2.0 k/d, 1.0 k/s and a hit% over 5 Awesome numbers compared to others? Dont think so, on the other hand, dont care. Its a goal I set for me. Some times its hard, the squad may need me to dive through a half dozen fighters to get the last couple of guns down at a field and I do it. Doesnt do wonders for my score/rank, but it helps out the squad, after all thats why you join a squad right? To work together and help them out accomplishing a mission.

So you play the game the way you want, and others will play the game the way they want. In the end if Hitech comes in a slaps someone for shooting a 2nd account down time after time then thats the way it will be. Until then all we can do is play.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 21, 2025, 01:03:59 PM
I'm sorry Fugitive but that is all your opinion. If the game is going to have scores and metrics that people can strive for, it must have integrity or else there is no reason for score in the first place and players who do actually want to be #1 or have the best K/D or most kills that month in a plane one time will not have a chance. And now you are just inviting more gamers to abuse the system shooting dual accounts. Gee thanks. Thats not a game anyone wants to play. I strive to ensure that the game is being played fairly. Yes I beeyotch about planes and ganging for good reason, but that is gameplay, not manipulation and targeting to advance ones position over others in a way that's not natural to gameplay. I will not tolerate that.

Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: oTRALFZo on August 21, 2025, 01:18:20 PM

Finally, do I care? No,


Thats the problem, 'most' players dont play for score (I do not) but some that do, do it legitimately.
Finetime makes it a mission even with all the accounts he has, we can attest to him using them for legitimate honest play.
Never did he use them for nefarious reasons (spot CVs or intercept missions) and I am sure anyone in LCA would be told to stop or get kicked out. Same thing here.

Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: The Fugitive on August 21, 2025, 01:22:17 PM
Im not inviting anyone to abuse the system, the system invites it. As I said there is no way to make a score/ranking system in this game that is fool proof. There are too many variables that even without trying tweak the scores/ranks. It is just the nature of the beast.

I would love to see the game "played fairly", but what is fairly to me may not be fairly to someone else. I have always held that it is not honorable to fire in a head on merge, and have been laughed at the entire time. I have a hard time with players who say they are here to fight and then take away any chance of a fight by HOing on any/every head on pass. Others say firring on any shot presented is fair game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Which is it?

I agree what Huckster did was over the line, but if Hitech doesnt come in and "lay down a law" there isnt anything anyone can do.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 21, 2025, 03:35:23 PM
Evidently the drop in drama created withdraws.

Hold my beer….
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 21, 2025, 07:07:07 PM
Im not inviting anyone to abuse the system, the system invites it. As I said there is no way to make a score/ranking system in this game that is fool proof. There are too many variables that even without trying tweak the scores/ranks. It is just the nature of the beast.

I would love to see the game "played fairly", but what is fairly to me may not be fairly to someone else. I have always held that it is not honorable to fire in a head on merge, and have been laughed at the entire time. I have a hard time with players who say they are here to fight and then take away any chance of a fight by HOing on any/every head on pass. Others say firring on any shot presented is fair game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Which is it?

I agree what Huckster did was over the line, but if Hitech doesnt come in and "lay down a law" there isnt anything anyone can do.

There is a complete difference between tactics and farming kills. Im not talking about how people play the game. Im talking about blatant score manipulation which is not a "natural occurrence" ie, they didnt earn the score through naturally playing. I dont play for score 100% either. If I really cared. I'd fly temps every sortie and go #1 every month but I know it wouldn't be good for the game and it isnt the most fun gameplay for me either. Sitting there shooting yourself over and over again to boost your killstats and rank is not something that should be tolerated.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: oTRALFZo on August 21, 2025, 07:23:39 PM
Im not inviting anyone to abuse the system, the system invites it. As I said there is no way to make a score/ranking system in this game that is fool proof. There are too many variables that even without trying tweak the scores/ranks. It is just the nature of the beast.

I would love to see the game "played fairly", but what is fairly to me may not be fairly to someone else. I have always held that it is not honorable to fire in a head on merge, and have been laughed at the entire time. I have a hard time with players who say they are here to fight and then take away any chance of a fight by HOing on any/every head on pass. Others say firring on any shot presented is fair game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Which is it?

I agree what Huckster did was over the line, but if Hitech doesnt come in and "lay down a law" there isnt anything anyone can do.

Apples to Oranges. two completely different topics. Vulching/ HOing is part of the game and you have an option to avoid both. It is not nearly on the same level as using shades to pad score, find CVs and/or bust missions.
No rules setup to where its mandatory you kick those players out of a squad but MOST squads have some dignity and will remove those players from the roster.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 21, 2025, 08:38:24 PM
There is a complete difference between tactics and farming kills. Im not talking about how people play the game. Im talking about blatant score manipulation which is not a "natural occurrence" ie, they didnt earn the score through naturally playing. I dont play for score 100% either. If I really cared. I'd fly temps every sortie and go #1 every month but I know it wouldn't be good for the game and it isnt the most fun gameplay for me either. Sitting there shooting yourself over and over again to boost your killstats and rank is not something that should be tolerated.

That's why I don't pay attention to points/perks/score, they can be gamed and don't really always show top talent. No tweak can change that. You'll just drive yourself nuts.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 21, 2025, 09:12:03 PM
That's why I don't pay attention to points/perks/score, they can be gamed and don't really always show top talent. No tweak can change that. You'll just drive yourself nuts.

It's not about you and your preferences, the same with Fugitive. It doesnt matter if you try for score or not. And no, it cannot be "gamed" unless you are farming kills or targeting, which farming is what they are doing. Being a good pilot and understanding how to score well, even in noob super planes IS NOT the same thing as farming kills and their abilities within the AH scoring system shouldn't be undermined by such gamers.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Lazerr on August 21, 2025, 09:15:46 PM
Scores and stats are a bit different..
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 21, 2025, 09:29:20 PM
It's not about you and your preferences, the same with Fugitive. It doesnt matter if you try for score or not. And no, it cannot be "gamed" unless you are farming kills or targeting, which farming is what they are doing. Being a good pilot and understanding how to score well, even in noob super planes IS NOT the same thing as farming kills and their abilities within the AH scoring system shouldn't be undermined by such gamers.

Well that's all good and I get it, but you have much bigger problems than one person porking the scores/stats/perks.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: uptown on August 21, 2025, 09:31:20 PM
Huckster is probably 12
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: haggerty on August 21, 2025, 10:52:58 PM
Huckster is probably 12

He actually sounds like a 70 year old man on local, and his excuse for farming involved a granddaughter...

Score may be easy to game, but cream rises to the top, it still takes skill to be the best in some of the categories.   There is a reason that I'm #1 every month, gaming scores only gets you so far, you still have to be better than me to dethrone me.  While I don't game the score, its easy to detect when others are attempting it; Like Skyhawk just doing solo mossie runs so he can drop a cookie on town centers....or guys only using 262 or Tempest for the fighter sorties, people like Cat7 refusing to up if there is a chance he'll die...

You'll find me at the capped base trying to save it from hordes, but daily am called a score dweeb just because im good at killing people.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: uptown on August 22, 2025, 05:51:34 PM
I have to admit I love to take a Stuka with the big bomb and drop it smack dab in the middle of town.  :uhoh
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: RELIC on August 22, 2025, 06:06:39 PM
There is a complete difference between tactics and farming kills...  Sitting there shooting yourself over and over again to boost your killstats and rank is not something that should be tolerated.
Agreed.  If it was brought to my attention a squad member did this they would get perma booted.
Claiming it was a "grandchild" account is weak.  I saw the film that was posted... You know what you did and you knew it would boost your score.
FYI this has happened before and if I recall the offender got their ranking scrubbed.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: Animl-AW on August 22, 2025, 06:27:09 PM
I get the justified anger. I just don’t think what happens within sqd politics is our biz. Kinda furthers the drama. My POV is we just don’t see it happen again. I’m good with that.
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: RichardDarkwood on August 28, 2025, 07:12:23 PM
You've been exposed  :old: I noticed when your 110C had the top K/D of the entire arena last tour.  ;)

Go back and look at his last 3 tours. Seemingly killing the 1 guy over and over again. #1 fighter so far this tour with an 8 kill sortie on 1 guy getting over 36 hit % and 4k points. I cant even get 1k points for 2 landed sorties with 5-6 kills a peice...

  Tsk tsk...

Someone needs Me-262 perk points
Title: Re: Huckster gaming the ranks
Post by: molybdenum on August 29, 2025, 06:53:51 PM
Agreed.  If it was brought to my attention a squad member did this they would get perma booted.
Claiming it was a "grandchild" account is weak.  I saw the film that was posted... You know what you did and you knew it would boost your score.
FYI this has happened before and if I recall the offender got their ranking scrubbed.

Yeah, not sure why Jokers kept him on, honestly. Not my squad, not really my business. But.
 
He's not doing the two accounts/killing self for points any more (that I know of), but he's currently town centering bases bish might have otherwise tried to take because he wanted to add to his rank another way.
Once town buildings have been hit, the clock starts for take. Which hurts team if ppl are planning for take and recruiting help.
He gets it (I think).
But he doesn't care.

Not a team player.