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Title: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: 1Cane on August 21, 2025, 06:18:39 AM
Historian https://www.raymondibrahim.com/
Raymond Ibrahim video Battle of Yarmouk
If you ever get the chance take the tour of Fredericksburg. The Confederates had the high ground and the  Federal troops were attacking. The Reb's were appalled at the Federal troops actions And when asked what to do Stonewall Jackson said "Kill them all" Bad  day to be a Yankee
 I know A man who was in the surge in Irag 2006.They had gone to a school on a meet and great handing out supplies to students. The next day insurgents went and killed students ,He told me this story and when asked what to do he said "Kill them all"
 This is a from Marco Polo [1271-1295]" The extremist will cut your Head off the moderate will just hold  your legs"
 The Battle of Yarmouk was in 8-15-636 and if you watch the video you will see the plan hasn't changed. He tells the story as a historian and I found it interesting that they are still using the same plan 1400 years later
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: uptown on August 21, 2025, 07:00:08 PM
I was babbling so I just deleted my post

Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: hazmatt on August 21, 2025, 08:32:51 PM
I was babbling so I just deleted my post

I have that experience with AI... I guess the AI devs thing more is better even when it has nothing to do with the subject.
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: uptown on August 21, 2025, 09:13:17 PM
I spent 8hrs or so in Chemo today, so my head is all over the place. But the gist of what I was trying to say is, all the military colleges teach these types of tactics going all the way back to the ancient Greeks and Romans and Alexander the Great etc.

Stonewall Jackson taught at WestPoint although he did so reluctantly. He studied this stuff constantly and but also relied heavily on Bible scripture and prayer.  If Stonewall was still alive at Gettysburg, Lee would of used him instead of Longstreet's cav, and the CSA would of won that battle imo.
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: 1Cane on August 22, 2025, 03:47:14 AM
I spent 8hrs or so in Chemo today, so my head is all over the place. But the gist of what I was trying to say is, all the military colleges teach these types of tactics going all the way back to the ancient Greeks and Romans and Alexander the Great etc.

Stonewall Jackson taught at WestPoint although he did so reluctantly. He studied this stuff constantly and but also relied heavily on Bible scripture and prayer.  If Stonewall was still alive at Gettysburg, Lee would of used him instead of Longstreet's cav, and the CSA would of won that battle imo.

I pray that the treatment works
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: AKIron on August 22, 2025, 07:46:59 AM
I spent 8hrs or so in Chemo today, so my head is all over the place. But the gist of what I was trying to say is, all the military colleges teach these types of tactics going all the way back to the ancient Greeks and Romans and Alexander the Great etc.

Stonewall Jackson taught at WestPoint although he did so reluctantly. He studied this stuff constantly and but also relied heavily on Bible scripture and prayer.  If Stonewall was still alive at Gettysburg, Lee would of used him instead of Longstreet's cav, and the CSA would of won that battle imo.

I went to the second grade at a school named Stonewall Jackson in Dallas. They changed the name of that school a few years ago. Probably the best school I ever attended. Still have fond memories from there. It'll always be Stonewall to me.
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: uptown on August 22, 2025, 05:38:12 PM
Chemo sucks bad but it is working. 1 more to go and surgery  :rock

Anyhoo, You mentioned Fredericksburg. I have 3 family members that were in that battle with the youngest one being only 12 at the time. Can you imagine? He was a drummer boy, but still. The horrors he must have seen boggles my mind and saddens me that many, many children on both sides had to endure such things.  All 3 from the 32nd Virginia Infantry.
Last month I bought a 3 volume set titled, "Civil War" by Shelby Foote. It's a ton of reading, but well worth the time. He lays out the war from the perspective from both sides and is quite eye opening. I've been lucky as my cousin is Tim Smith, a widely known historian and member of the Battlefield Trust, who buys land to preserve these battlefields for future generations to learn from and understand the real cost and scale of that war. As a boy I was shown the pictures and letters from soldiers on both sides at Tim's family home in Dare Va. I knew long ago that both sides were at fault for what happened, and it's sad to me that only the one side of the story gets told most of the time.
Was the CSA wrong? Absolutely...but so was the North. This is what I've concluded from almost 4 decades of study and research. ANd with a little help from Tim.  :salute
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: Oldman731 on August 22, 2025, 07:34:49 PM
I've been lucky as my cousin is Tim Smith, a widely known historian and member of the Battlefield Trust, who buys land to preserve these battlefields for future generations to learn from and understand the real cost and scale of that war.


Pay attention to the man.  Not many qualify to be licensed battlefield guides at Gettysburg:

Timothy H. Smith has been a Licensed Battlefield Guide at Gettysburg National Military Park for over 25 years and is currently the Director of Education at the Adams County Historical Society (ACHS). He was also named County Historian in 2023. Tim has been involved with ACHS since the late 1980s when he began volunteering as a research assistant. He is the author of ten books and numerous articles about the Civil War, the Gettysburg Campaign, and a host of other local history topics. Tim is also a historical consultant for the American Battlefield Trust and a frequent lecturer at Civil War Round Tables and Seminars, and appears regularly on the Pennsylvania Cable Network’s Battle Walks Series. Tim is recognized as one of the leading experts on the Battle of Gettysburg and all aspects of Adams County history.

https://www.achs-pa.org/staff-board-of-trustees/timothy-h-smith/

OTOH, I have my reservations about Foote's books.  He imagines many things that he doesn't document.  Dead now, though.

- oldman
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: uptown on August 22, 2025, 10:50:12 PM
As a kid I would go over to Tim's dad's house and off on one side of the house was a room with nothing but Civil War stuff, Bullets, cannon balls, buttons, buckles, guns,,,you name it. It pretty cool to say the least. And they wouldn't let me touch a dang thing! :mad: :bhead

I understand what you mean by Shelby Foote's work. But the way he writes is what draws me in, I think. As I see him as a writer and is also an historian. A rare combination compared to reading or listening to pure historian lectures. Although Tim knows he stuff, he could put me to sleep in half an hour, where I could listen to Shelby talk all night  :D
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: Shuffler on August 24, 2025, 07:51:55 AM
When you just say "Fredricksburg", we Texans always think of our town here that holds the Pacific War Museum. Home of Chester W. Nimitz.

I always love me some history.
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: Shuffler on August 24, 2025, 07:55:37 AM
I spent 8hrs or so in Chemo today, so my head is all over the place. But the gist of what I was trying to say is, all the military colleges teach these types of tactics going all the way back to the ancient Greeks and Romans and Alexander the Great etc.

Stonewall Jackson taught at WestPoint although he did so reluctantly. He studied this stuff constantly and but also relied heavily on Bible scripture and prayer.  If Stonewall was still alive at Gettysburg, Lee would of used him instead of Longstreet's cav, and the CSA would of won that battle imo.

You are in our prayers!!
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: uptown on August 25, 2025, 12:01:12 AM
Thank you for that Shuffler  :salute
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: AKIron on August 25, 2025, 11:57:20 AM
When you just say "Fredricksburg", we Texans always think of our town here that holds the Pacific War Museum. Home of Chester W. Nimitz.

I always love me some history.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1069658321991154&set=a.405303581759968
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: Oldman731 on August 25, 2025, 10:02:40 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1069658321991154&set=a.405303581759968


Thank you for that.  Lots of great photos in there!

Made me realize that Bonnie and Clyde was historically based.

- oldman
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: Eagler on August 26, 2025, 07:27:02 AM
Hope you feel better uptown  :salute

Eagler
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: uptown on August 26, 2025, 08:23:44 AM
Thank you Eagler. Chemo, so far hasn't been the monster everyone said it was going to be. Pain is a everyday thing but the worst part was after my 1st treatment because of the hiccups it gave me. Go figure  :rolleyes:  :salute
Title: Re: History Lesson Battle of Yarmouk
Post by: uptown on August 26, 2025, 08:16:45 PM
Here's a history story y'all....

20 yrs ago of so, I took and wife and 2 boys to visit my kin folks where I grew up Yorktown/Gloucester area of VA. I have a deep appreciation and love for American history and wanted to show them Colonial Williamsburg and Jamestown. They've never been out of Iowa before, except for the wife with me a few times. I thought it would be fun.
 They've never shown an interest in history, but I thought this would be exciting for them and get their interest, because they don't teach this stuff in schools now. BIG mistake! Williamsburg was pretty nice and went without a hitch, other than the cost to do things that used to be free when I was a kid. They had fun and wanted more. So off to Jamestown we go. It was a weekend and a few folks were there, but not many. I'm walking along slow filming everything I can while the boys and wife take off doing their thing. I walk into the church and I see my kids swinging on the wooden railing in front of the altar. Mind you this is a 400 yr old church give or take a few yr. I'm furious and trying not to make a scene. Luckily no one seen it. I scold the 3 of them and we moved on. As I'm outside filming a plaque about Pocahontas, the boys go into a big tent...the type of tents they set up when they're doing archaeological digs. My wife walking slow in tow. When I get to the tent and go in, I see my wife staring off in space, a woman in period grab talking to a history nerd looking gentleman and a roped off area where the actual dig is occurring. And my 2 boys behind the rope playing in the dirt. No one noticed but me and I freaked! Then everyone freaked, especially the lady in period garb.
I had visions of me and my family being on CNN for tearing up national treasures. I was hot to say the least.  I left in disgrace vowing never to return with them again. ....ever.
 
That was my personal Battle of Jamestown  :salute