General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Busher on September 05, 2025, 08:54:42 AM
Title: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Busher on September 05, 2025, 08:54:42 AM
You ask... "Are you a truthful person?"
The person answers.... "No".
....... why would you believe them?
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: AKIron on September 05, 2025, 10:52:52 AM
I see the conundrum but an always truthful person would have to answer yes. Therefore any other answer leaves the truthfulness of the respondent in doubt.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Bizman on September 05, 2025, 10:59:38 AM
Reminds me of the big question "Have you already stopped cheating on your wife?"
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Animl-AW on September 05, 2025, 11:02:22 AM
Being how he lied through it all, no in but those two know if the convo even existed as he stated. I call BS.
My guess “ are you loyal to (insert name)”.
They should not be “ loyal”,
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 05, 2025, 11:39:24 AM
Being how he lied through it all, no in but those two know if the convo even existed as he stated. I call BS.
My guess “ are you loyal to (insert name)”.
They should not be “ loyal”,
How can you guys claim to hate big business and then go and defend big pharma? I dont know about you guys. But ive freaking had it with big pharma brainwashing commercials every 10 minutes. For what its worth, no one is a truthful person or conglomerate, case in point. The term "vaccine" use to imply a one time antidote that prevented disease for atleast a decade. The MRNA vaccine did not infact prevent covid. Thats just a fact. Therefore they were untruthful about it being a vaccine and infact weren't truthful about the results of their tests and effectiveness of it, nore where they responsible about telling people the risks of spike Protein. Which has caused strokes and heartattacks and cancers to spike. Ive lost 3 people I knew to random as diddly heart attacks and strokes that they shouldn't have had.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: AKIron on September 05, 2025, 11:46:16 AM
I see. So we're talking about a current event. The question then would be do you always tell the truth. You can say no and be telling the truth. You could also say yes and be lying. Motivations and history must be considered for trust.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Shuffler on September 05, 2025, 11:47:02 AM
Does this have anything to do with the cross-eyed woman seeing a guy on the side?
OO oooo or maybe Jumbo Shrimp?
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Busher on September 05, 2025, 12:03:55 PM
How can you guys claim to hate big business and then go and defend big pharma? I dont know about you guys. But ive freaking had it with big pharma brainwashing commercials every 10 minutes. For what its worth, no one is a truthful person or conglomerate, case in point. The term "vaccine" use to imply a one time antidote that prevented disease for atleast a decade. The MRNA vaccine did not infact prevent covid. Thats just a fact. Therefore they were untruthful about it being a vaccine and infact weren't truthful about the results of their tests and effectiveness of it, nore where they responsible about telling people the risks of spike Protein. Which has caused strokes and heartattacks and cancers to spike. Ive lost 3 people I knew to random as diddly heart attacks and strokes that they shouldn't have had.
DUDE STOP As an audio engineer who signed NDAs with big pharma companies to record conferences, you can bet your nads, because of markets tactics, I DO NOT in any way support big pharma. Not against big biz, against lying gougers.!
You are making reckless assumptions that because I disagree on certain issues that I’m some enemy on all subjects. Subject by subject. Again, thats how independents work.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Devil 505 on September 05, 2025, 12:42:23 PM
I love seeing people correctly applying reason and logic to a hypothetical situation and yet they always seem to fail horribly at doing the same in actual situations.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Eagler on September 05, 2025, 01:12:18 PM
It's been my experience that everyone lies..
Heck most outright cheat and steal at one level or another so how can they not lie..
Eagler
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 05, 2025, 03:09:48 PM
DUDE STOP As an audio engineer who signed NDAs with big pharma companies to record conferences, you can bet your nads, because of markets tactics, I DO NOT in any way support big pharma. Not against big biz, against lying gougers.!
You are making reckless assumptions that because I disagree on certain issues that I’m some enemy on all subjects. Subject by subject. Again, thats how independents work.
Well you said he lied through it all which implies he's wrong/or purposefully misleading Americans about everything which implies that big pharma should keep doing what they are doing despite outside studies that suggest they were the one misleading Americans and even the world by not sharing all of the potential risks and side effects like they do for every other medication. Further, many of the members asking questions including the one the OP is referring to have taken millions in lobby money to protect its interest. For what its worth, as far as im concerned, these pharma companies have a lost a lot credibility for me and im glad someone is holding their feet to fire instead of riding off into the wind with lobby money.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Animl-AW on September 05, 2025, 03:41:18 PM
Well you said he lied through it all which implies he's wrong/or purposefully misleading Americans about everything which implies that big pharma should keep doing what they are doing despite outside studies that suggest they were the one misleading Americans and even the world by not sharing all of the potential risks and side effects like they do for every other medication. Further, many of the members asking questions including the one the OP is referring to have taken millions in lobby money to protect its interest. For what its worth, as far as im concerned, these pharma companies have a lost a lot credibility for me and im glad someone is holding their feet to fire instead of riding off into the wind with lobby money.
To the top 2 sentences, ya, I said that he lied, he was called out on it with proof real time. Yep, he lied. That has ZERO to do with big biz or pharma. They gonna do what he lets them do.
Some don’t see the firest because trees are in the way. Infomercials and David Coperfield made a fortune. Some iver think everything snd miss whats right in front of them.
Yep, he lid his ars off, why would I trust his side of a story? A jury wouldn’t
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Busher on September 05, 2025, 04:19:51 PM
Well you said he lied through it all which implies he's wrong/or purposefully misleading Americans about everything which implies that big pharma should keep doing what they are doing despite outside studies that suggest they were the one misleading Americans and even the world by not sharing all of the potential risks and side effects like they do for every other medication. Further, many of the members asking questions including the one the OP is referring to have taken millions in lobby money to protect its interest. For what its worth, as far as im concerned, these pharma companies have a lost a lot credibility for me and im glad someone is holding their feet to fire instead of riding off into the wind with lobby money.
I suspect you are relatively young in comparison to most people who post on these forums. With that in mind, I hope when the day arrives that your life might depend on advanced pharmaceutical research (assuming it still exists) that you might change your mind about the science.
And by the way, he was caught on many lies.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: AKIron on September 05, 2025, 04:27:38 PM
Declaring us a most favored nation for all drug sales is huge.
Waiting for some to complain that many nations can't afford the prices we pay here. Dude, we can't afford it either.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Animl-AW on September 05, 2025, 06:43:31 PM
I suspect you are relatively young in comparison to most people who post on these forums. With that in mind, I hope when the day arrives that your life might depend on advanced pharmaceutical research (assuming it still exists) that you might change your mind about the science.
And by the way, he was caught on many lies.
They hate science until it saves their life in the hospital.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: AKKuya on September 05, 2025, 07:36:20 PM
You're walking down the sidewalk and spot a 20-dollar bill in front of a store. Do you ignore and walk on? Do you stop and pick up and place in your pocket? Do you stop and pick up and enter the store to ask anyone lost a 20-dollar bill?
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 05, 2025, 08:26:18 PM
They hate science until it saves their life in the hospital.
No one is attacking "science" or hates it..its such a broad generalization to make...science is a process. Its not a science vs spirituality debate. If the the experiment doesn't agree with your hypothesis, than you should acknowledge that it doesn't agree. Not look for many ways to force it to agree through manipulation and then pass it to people that it agrees even though it doesn't.
Theres a difference between medicine and surgery. Theres a difference between all known biological and chemical substances that can be used to treat people. Theres also a difference between how it affects people. I had an allergic reaction and body froze stiff for a week after taking a drug prescribed to me after braking my wrist as a child. You never know the reaction youll have. Hell this Ozympic stuff is really really bad for some people. Trial by error with medications is science itself. All im saying is that people should be fully aware of potential risks that may affect them and for "experts" to make sure people understand that there are risks rather than shoving very new medications down everyones throats through extremely strong media propaganda and coercion. If we are to have something like a HHS, than it should be used to make sure companies arent misleading the public and hold them accountable for it.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Busher on September 05, 2025, 09:09:35 PM
No one is attacking "science" or hates it..its such a broad generalization to make...science is a process. Its not a science vs spirituality debate. If the the experiment doesn't agree with your hypothesis, than you should acknowledge that it doesn't agree. Not look for many ways to force it to agree through manipulation and then pass it to people that it agrees even though it doesn't.
Theres a difference between medicine and surgery. Theres a difference between all known biological and chemical substances that can be used to treat people. Theres also a difference between how it affects people. I had an allergic reaction and body froze stiff for a week after taking a drug prescribed to me after braking my wrist as a child. You never know the reaction youll have. Hell this Ozympic stuff is really really bad for some people. Trial by error with medications is science itself. All im saying is that people should be fully aware of potential risks that may affect them and for "experts" to make sure people understand that there are risks rather than shoving very new medications down everyones throats through extremely strong media propaganda and coercion. If we are to have something like a HHS, than it should be used to make sure companies arent misleading the public and hold them accountable for it.
Apparently, you don't listen to and/or read all the possible side effects that the CDC requires to be published with all pharmaceuticals both old and new.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Eagler on September 06, 2025, 07:36:42 AM
We do the r&d so we pay for that expense in our prescriptions while Canada and India wait for the patents to expire so they can make their generics for a fraction of the cost..
Eagler
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: AKIron on September 06, 2025, 12:28:39 PM
For many science is a religion. And if you don't toe the consensus line you're a heretic.
Science adjusts it views based on what is observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved.
Scientific method and religious belief are nearly polar opposites in how they operate.
Just because you don't like the objective facts presented by science, does not make them any less true. And you are not a rebel for denying scientific observation, you're just a fool.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: RUSH1 on September 06, 2025, 07:49:23 PM
Science adjusts it views based on what is observed.
Or science adjusts its views based on politics.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Animl-AW on September 06, 2025, 10:10:32 PM
Circus is in town
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 06, 2025, 10:37:54 PM
Science can be a religion. Nothing wrong with that. People can believe as they wish. If they think the vast universe just happened, and things were created out of nothing, that is their choice. A limited understanding, but their choice. Just like believing in religion but not science is also a limited understanding. A child doesnt understand how a massive business was created, but it was. Just like the AH world. It was created, it's science, and 99.99% of the world couldnt create it, but they play in its world.
A quote from one of my favorites:
"Imagine the universe beautiful and just and perfect.
Then be sure of one thing: The Is has imagined it quite a bit better than you have. The original sin is to limit the Is. Don't."
We are still children in gods creation. Our scientific understanding is just a tiny fraction of how grand the entire universe is.
Be careful not to confuse an agenda with science or spirituality :old:
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: uptown on September 07, 2025, 02:58:32 AM
You're walking down the sidewalk and spot a 20-dollar bill in front of a store. Do you ignore and walk on? Do you stop and pick up and place in your pocket? Do you stop and pick up and enter the store to ask anyone lost a 20-dollar bill?
You pick it up and give it to the person in front or behind you in line at checkout. Whoever looks like they would appreciate it the most. :salute
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Devil 505 on September 07, 2025, 10:31:57 AM
More like politicians change their views on science and the rabble just go along with it.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: icepac on September 07, 2025, 11:42:31 AM
The problem with "vaccines" is not the vaccine itself but rather the adjuvants that accompany them.
Aggressive scheduling is causing people to walk around with high levels of adjuvant.
I haven't studied MRNA vaccines but it seems they also use an adjuvant.
If you have an aggressive vaccination schedule and lupus-like symptoms, back off a little. Advants clear over time. If you don't allow them to clear, you will experience bad things.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 07, 2025, 12:21:33 PM
Just science I guess. Since it doesn't agree with some of yalls perspective, you just gonna claim its "not real science" 🤷♂️. You see if it did actually work, we would acknowledge that but it seems like yall are the ones who can't understand that maybe things weren't what the companies told you. So long as they made billions on profit...
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Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: hazmatt on September 07, 2025, 02:21:43 PM
I think if you want to get a vaccine and 10 boosters you should be able to. I also think that if you don't want one, nobody should be forced to get one.
Lets try some logic. If a vaccine works, and you take it then you should be protected. If I don't take it then I'm the one who wouldn't be protected. The "logic" I hear reminds me of that thing where: If I don't wear deodorant, your deodorant won't work. Maybe I'm allergic to deodorant and I don't mind a little stink...
Same thing with fluoride in the water. It's supposed to be applied topically to teeth, like sunscreen to skin. Have you ever gone to the dentist for a fluoride treatment and he gave you a cup of fluoride and told you to drink as much as you'd like? So lets follow the logic. Putting fluoride in the water is like drinking sunscreen and there is no dosage control. People who drink very little water would get a minimal dosage and people who drink lots of water would get a very high dose. Since when does the medical establishment condone uncontrolled dosages? I won't even go to the side effects of high dosages.
I guess the "my body my choice" only applies to some things but not to other things.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Eviscerate on September 07, 2025, 02:39:31 PM
I guess the "my body my choice" only applies to some things but not to other things.
Like the choice of vaccines but no choice for an abortion? Right? Right?
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: uptown on September 07, 2025, 09:53:51 PM
The Lord gives us choice to weed out the stupid. At least that's the way it translates to me. If you're going to put crazy stuff in your body, you better do your research first. Physically and spiritually especially with all this DNA tampering and such. Have you guys seen the rabbits in Colorado with tenacles growing out their heads? With all the stuff they're pumping into me right now, I'm looking for a 3 ear every day. :O
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Busher on September 08, 2025, 07:28:48 AM
If you're going to put crazy stuff in your body, you better do your research first.
There's the rub... it takes years of education in microbiology, biochemistry and God knows what before a person gets to participate in the development of new medications and vaccines. Know any of these people that you trust? Seems to me that a raven loving lawyer with a gravelly voice carries more weight with most.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Eviscerate on September 08, 2025, 07:40:11 AM
There's the rub... it takes years of education in microbiology, biochemistry and God knows what before a person gets to participate in the development of new medications and vaccines. Know any of these people that you trust? Seems to me that a raven loving lawyer with a gravelly voice carries more weight with most.
Is that the guy who literally told the country "I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me"?
And yet...
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: icepac on September 08, 2025, 07:42:08 AM
There's the rub... it takes years of education in microbiology, biochemistry and God knows what before a person gets to participate in the development of new medications and vaccines. Know any of these people that you trust? Seems to me that a raven loving lawyer with a gravelly voice carries more weight with most.
Molecular biology.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: AKIron on September 08, 2025, 09:52:26 AM
Too bad education doesn't mean trustworthiness. Or even intelligence.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: icepac on September 08, 2025, 11:49:50 AM
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: AKIron on September 08, 2025, 12:05:38 PM
Funny how a change in fundamentals like the age of the Universe can throw the "experts" into a spin. There's usually a risk in thinking you know something.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Shuffler on September 08, 2025, 12:36:21 PM
NORMAN: What? KIRK: He lied. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. MUDD: Listen to this carefully, Norman. I am lying. NORMAN: You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie. You tell the truth. But you cannot for. Illogical! Illogical! Please explain. (Smoke comes out of Norman's head.)
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Brooke on September 11, 2025, 10:34:46 PM
I have been a scientist in my career and worked in scientific areas for decades, with and among many other scientists.
Science is excellent.
But --
People who don't work in science tend to think that science is pure and that scientists always work in a scientific way.
Yet science has plenty of politics, empire building, massaging data, competing groups that dogmatically adhere to their group's theories and undermine the opposition, cliquish behavior of "in groups" and "out groups" with respect to publication, funding, getting academic positions, etc. It's not all like that, of course, but some is.
The good thing is that, despite science being done by humans and having some of those imperfections, over enough time, science tends to give us increasingly better understandings and estimates. But there can be detours in the shorter term.
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Animl-AW on September 11, 2025, 10:55:34 PM
And thar ya go
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Meatwad on September 12, 2025, 06:31:58 AM
I have been a scientist in my career and worked in scientific areas for decades, with and among many other scientists.
Science is excellent.
But --
People who don't work in science tend to think that science is pure and that scientists always work in a scientific way.
Yet science has plenty of politics, empire building, massaging data, competing groups that dogmatically adhere to their group's theories and undermine the opposition, cliquish behavior of "in groups" and "out groups" with respect to publication, funding, getting academic positions, etc. It's not all like that, of course, but some is.
The good thing is that, despite science being done by humans and having some of those imperfections, over enough time, science tends to give us increasingly better understandings and estimates. But there can be detours in the shorter term.
Better watch out, or the chronic reporter in here will report you for speaking the truth
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Eagler on September 12, 2025, 07:04:14 AM
Problem is covid screwed up the trust most of us still had in our health department..
Then there is the fact they are saying more and more kids have mental issues and are on the "spectrum" now..a spectrum that changes with each new behavioral issue they can tuck into it..
It might be vaccines, might be plastic in our brains, who knows...
Just good to see someone try to figure it out instead just going along with the $$$ trail as it has been until now..
Eagler
Title: Re: Real Life conundrum
Post by: Animl-AW on September 12, 2025, 09:52:27 PM
When doing audio/records for many big pharma conferences, two lines struck me 1) Only 7 people died in testing <blank stare> 2) At a hotel bar, after the conf, they all toasted and one guy says, "...here's to cancer" <blank stare><smh>
because they don't make as much money in cures, rarely do they have one, they make money on symptoms. They may be looking for cures, but when someone pays $10k per month for a drug,... well, fill in the blanks.