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Title: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 14, 2025, 06:52:08 PM
... interdimensional life and existence.
As a student of history, social culture and amateur understanding of astrophysics and quantum mechanics, a lifetime of learning and experience has given me an open mind to extrapolate possible theoretical concepts. One being the concept that higher states of existence and life has possibly visited our planet in the distant past.
Arthur C. Clarke's quote, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Wikipedia As a young boy, I checked out library books on the Greek Myths and Legends all the time. I was fascinated with them, and they are the most known to me compared to the Egyption, Norse, Aztec-Mayan-Incan, and other ancient civilizations. I will concentrate on the Greek model.
Kardashev scale is a method of measuring a civilization's level of technological advancement based on the amount of energy it is capable of harnessing and using. The measure was proposed by Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev in 1964 and was named after him.
A Type I civilization is able to access all the energy available on its planet and store it for consumption. A Type II civilization can directly consume a star's energy, most likely through the use of a Dyson sphere. A Type III civilization is able to capture all the energy emitted by its galaxy, and every object within it, such as every star, black hole, etc Wikipedia
From that established method, Type IV would consume several galaxies of energy, Type V would consume and entire universe of energy, Type VI would consume a multiverse of energy, and a Type VII would consume interdimensional use of energy in theory.
I believe that the Greek myths and legends stem from visits by beings of Type VI or Type VII. Ancient humans would witness the capabilities of such an advanced being as a supreme being. Immense power, strength, speed, knowledge, telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, flight etc... From these visits and interactions, the birth of the stories began around the campfires through oral tradition passing sown the centuries. With each retelling, more embellishment to harness the drama, romance and action to captivate the attending audience.
Where is the kernel of truth? Where does the embellishment start? That id in the eye of the believer or the skeptic.
Olympus, Atlantis, and the Underworld are real places but not on Earth. They are Greek names for the homes of the visiting beings. Sky, Sea, and Earth are represented as concepts that ancient man would understand. These places are located on a higher dimensional level. Access to them would require traveling through an interdimensional doorway. Human physiology isn't equipped to handle that journey.
The visiting beings had to make an assist for that. That's where the Ambrosia, the Nectar of the Gods, comes in. The ancient man would understand the concept of a potion or an elixir that you drink or eat as fruit. This is ingested to make changes in the body for transport to the realms of the visiting beings. Present day's understanding of science and medicine relates to DNA, RNA, amino acids, cell division with new programming and etc. The list is long.
This applied to the other civilizations as well. This is possibly how humans were moved to far corners of the Earth through advanced transportation methods by the visiting beings. This could account for similarities between the various civilizations where they couldn't have contact between all of them separated by the continents and the oceans.
Best part is they could still be visiting. Someone you know could be one in disguise. Some might have been involved with humans and had children. There could be inter-dimensional DNA in the human genome waiting to be realized.
Just a possibility that could fit the facts.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Eagler on September 14, 2025, 06:56:32 PM
To not think of the endless possibilities is an ignorance some suffer..
Eagler
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: icepac on September 15, 2025, 03:09:36 AM
What if it turns out earth is the most advanced planet?……and that we won’t be meeting Extraterrestrial life until we make the trip ourselves.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Eagler on September 15, 2025, 07:27:23 AM
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 15, 2025, 01:41:24 PM
What if there was a more intelligent human type species existed here, but went almost extinct when the volcanos cut loose, and we evolved with complications from inner breeding making us less intelligent
Mind blown
Lots of 420 out there.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: JimmyD3 on September 15, 2025, 01:45:42 PM
Icepac is on the right path. :cheers:
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 15, 2025, 02:47:37 PM
The most advanced planet in the universe is nothing more than a ball of human fire ants with inflated egos the size of Jupiter......
Eagler
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: JimmyD3 on September 15, 2025, 05:29:57 PM
Well Eagler we all have a purpose, we just have to figure out what it is. I will agree with one of your comments, there are a lot of inflated egos.
With that said, I am puzzled about a couple of anomalies in creation. #1 As I understand it, everything expands with heat and contracts with cold. Why does water expand when it freezes instead of contracting? #2 Oxygen and Hydrogen are both extremely flammable, why is it when they are combined, H2O, they put out the fire? :aok
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on September 15, 2025, 06:57:32 PM
Sounds like an inflated earthly ego that needs to face reality and deflation..
I am hoping we are some of the least advanced as we sure act like it..
Eagler
So, a lot of inhabitants of this rock fit that description.
Many do not.
However, seeing how much off the masses tend to act, and not think, I wouldn't be surprised if any extra terrestrial life that existed would pass by with their doors locked.
When you consider the laws of averages, they could also be far worse than we are.
I make no assumptions.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Devil 505 on September 15, 2025, 07:07:36 PM
I have no doubts that somewhere in the universe there currently exists civilization more advanced than humanity.
I highly doubt that any of them are close enough to Earth to have ever visited.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 15, 2025, 08:08:32 PM
With that said, I am puzzled about a couple of anomalies in creation. #1 As I understand it, everything expands with heat and contracts with cold. Why does water expand when it freezes instead of contracting?
When water freezes, its molecules get arranged in a crystalline structure, thereby attaining a defined shape. This crystalline structure is less dense, and since there are gaps between individual molecules in the structure, the overall volume increases and water ‘expands’.
With that said, I am puzzled about a couple of anomalies in creation. #2 Oxygen and Hydrogen are both extremely flammable, why is it when they are combined, H2O, they put out the fire?
The combustion of hydrogen and oxygen produces water (H2O) through a process known as oxidation. When hydrogen and oxygen react, they release energy in the form of heat, which causes the water vapor to expand rapidly, resulting in an explosion. This is the basic principle of all explosives. The reaction is exothermic, meaning it releases heat, and the resulting water is electrically neutral, making it non-flammable.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: icepac on September 16, 2025, 04:42:08 AM
Sounds like an inflated earthly ego that needs to face reality and deflation..
I am hoping we are some of the least advanced as we sure act like it..
Eagler
The possibility that earth is the most advanced planet needs to be considered unless you have physical evidence proving another planet is more advanced.
I don’t know about you but I spent much of the last decade doing aerodynamics testing of the fastest cars on the planet at kennedy space center.
These cars bring out project managers and genuine astronauts over to us because they all like fast cars. Yes, we have breached the subject many times and you can’t ignore the possibility that there are no aliens advanced enough to make the trip to earth.
On a side note, we will make an attempt on the SLF runway soon for 330mph.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Eagler on September 16, 2025, 07:28:42 AM
If we are the most advanced I feel sorry for the universe...
Pretty sure any group more advanced has better things to do then watch the non stop Jerry Springer show on the 3rd rock from the Sun..
Eagler
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: -gg- on September 16, 2025, 09:22:13 AM
As a student of history, social culture and amateur understanding of astrophysics and quantum mechanics, a lifetime of learning and experience has given me an open mind to extrapolate possible theoretical concepts. One being the concept that higher states of existence and life has possibly visited our planet in the distant past.
Arthur C. Clarke's quote, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Wikipedia As a young boy, I checked out library books on the Greek Myths and Legends all the time. I was fascinated with them, and they are the most known to me compared to the Egyption, Norse, Aztec-Mayan-Incan, and other ancient civilizations. I will concentrate on the Greek model.
Kardashev scale is a method of measuring a civilization's level of technological advancement based on the amount of energy it is capable of harnessing and using. The measure was proposed by Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev in 1964 and was named after him.
A Type I civilization is able to access all the energy available on its planet and store it for consumption. A Type II civilization can directly consume a star's energy, most likely through the use of a Dyson sphere. A Type III civilization is able to capture all the energy emitted by its galaxy, and every object within it, such as every star, black hole, etc Wikipedia
From that established method, Type IV would consume several galaxies of energy, Type V would consume and entire universe of energy, Type VI would consume a multiverse of energy, and a Type VII would consume interdimensional use of energy in theory.
I believe that the Greek myths and legends stem from visits by beings of Type VI or Type VII. Ancient humans would witness the capabilities of such an advanced being as a supreme being. Immense power, strength, speed, knowledge, telepathy, telekinesis, pyrokinesis, flight etc... From these visits and interactions, the birth of the stories began around the campfires through oral tradition passing sown the centuries. With each retelling, more embellishment to harness the drama, romance and action to captivate the attending audience.
Where is the kernel of truth? Where does the embellishment start? That id in the eye of the believer or the skeptic.
Olympus, Atlantis, and the Underworld are real places but not on Earth. They are Greek names for the homes of the visiting beings. Sky, Sea, and Earth are represented as concepts that ancient man would understand. These places are located on a higher dimensional level. Access to them would require traveling through an interdimensional doorway. Human physiology isn't equipped to handle that journey.
The visiting beings had to make an assist for that. That's where the Ambrosia, the Nectar of the Gods, comes in. The ancient man would understand the concept of a potion or an elixir that you drink or eat as fruit. This is ingested to make changes in the body for transport to the realms of the visiting beings. Present day's understanding of science and medicine relates to DNA, RNA, amino acids, cell division with new programming and etc. The list is long.
This applied to the other civilizations as well. This is possibly how humans were moved to far corners of the Earth through advanced transportation methods by the visiting beings. This could account for similarities between the various civilizations where they couldn't have contact between all of them separated by the continents and the oceans.
Best part is they could still be visiting. Someone you know could be one in disguise. Some might have been involved with humans and had children. There could be inter-dimensional DNA in the human genome waiting to be realized.
Just a possibility that could fit the facts.
do you believe in the possibility of a creator? Or are you one of the types that can believe in Aliens, Bigfoot, UFO's, and anything else BUT that there could be a God/creator?
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 16, 2025, 09:27:53 AM
It's highly unlikely we are the most advanced planet. Our planet is like hundreds of millions younger than other planets in other galaxies. Our mainstream timeline of humanity which is probably complete BS says humanity started about 20k years ago. 20k years is nothing in the universe. Supposedly we only got technically savy in the last hundreds years. Thats an incredibly small time. So imagine a society that's been around for hundred of millions of years. I imagine that AI ships floating in space for hundreds of years with a population that's being born and grown.. I bet some of them live in a ship their entire lives, but the ships are probably missive non the less.
We've gone from sailboats to rocket ships in the span of 200 years. Just imagine another 20k years from now. How about 100s of millions of years from now? Its hard to fathom. Its also hard to fathom how large the universe is and now long travel time would take.
I believe humanity has been wiped out a few times in our world. From massive mud floods, to solar flares, to meteors, all the above. There to me is just no way humanity had the ability to build the most stunning buildings 800 years ago Supposedly that last longer and are way more stunning than what we build today. To say slaves had that much skill is also a fallacy IMO. But we also have areas that look like they were scorched and melted out in the mid east. I believe they had flying and laser technology long ago, but after the reset, they burned and stole history to fabricate our own history. The population #s are a lie IMO. No way we just went from like 20m in 1800 to 8 billion in 2025 but humanity never grew that large in the 20k years before? It's strange to me. I think the Vatican is holding many artifacts in its basement that would reshape our history, but they cannot expose it becasue it would change everything away from the current main stream narrative that we are the most advanced society ever on the planet. Did giants exist? Were Blimps used fare more than we know? Did Tartaria, Mu, Atlantis exist? Did Zilant dragons exist? Why so much symbology of them curved beautifully on old buildings? I certainly feel there is a history deleted from our teachings for a reason and being covered up by the Vatican and city of London.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKIron on September 16, 2025, 11:09:01 AM
I'm not a fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson, though I have bought and read one of his books, but he explained why the speed of light is an absolute quite well I think. Spacetime. Per Einstein, motion through space slows motion through time and vice versa. When you reach the speed of light you are no longer moving through time. How could you go faster? That would seem to put a severe limit on interstellar travel.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Eagler on September 16, 2025, 11:20:22 AM
Eagler
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 16, 2025, 11:29:23 AM
do you believe in the possibility of a creator? Or are you one of the types that can believe in Aliens, Bigfoot, UFO's, and anything else BUT that there could be a God/creator?
The human brain is capable of understanding a lot. Faith is the belief without physical or visual proof. Science is belief through measured and analytical processes. I believe in both. Each supports the other. True symmetry.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 16, 2025, 11:32:46 AM
... that HiTech has multiple BBS accounts to gauge the player base with ideas.
The amount of discussion on so many topics with a few select account holders taking one side or another. Anyone here posting could be Dale in disguise.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 16, 2025, 01:03:16 PM
... that HiTech has multiple BBS accounts to gauge the player base with ideas.
The amount of discussion on so many topics with a few select account holders taking one side or another. Anyone here posting could be Dale in disguise.
Nah, his writing is easy to recognize. I've been a here a while :old:
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: JimmyD3 on September 16, 2025, 01:12:37 PM
The Catholic Church did not exist before 365 AD.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 16, 2025, 02:16:55 PM
I think its interesting that we've detected objects like 3IAtlas. Our (newest "comet") only third one ever recorded floating near the solar system. Supposedly are billions of years old but just so happened to fly in at 130,000 mph to get some sun rays and fly off. This new one is 20km long mostly C02 and remitting a trail pointing to toward the sun. Very interesting!
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: LCADolby on September 16, 2025, 02:31:11 PM
Nah, his writing is easy to recognize. I've been a here a while :old:
If he used Spellcheck or Grammerly he could blend in :noid
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 16, 2025, 03:14:54 PM
Let's talk sentient and spacefaring life from another planet orbiting a distant start from us using the scale of the expanding observable universe.
1) Life could have begun, rose and fell billions of our solar years ago. Future exo-archaeologist dreams come true. 2) Life could have begun, rose and fell millions of our solar years ago. Future exo-archaeologist dreams come true. 3) Life could have begun, rose and fell thousands of our solar years ago. Future exo-archaeologist dreams come true.
That takes care of time scale issues.
1) Life could have begun, rose and stagnated in development. 2) Life could have begun and never rose to any development.
That takes care of technological development.
1) Life could have begun, rose and fell due to self-war. 2) Life could have begun, rose and fell due to disease. 3) Life could have begun, rose and fell due to natural disasters. 4) Life could have begun, rose and fell due to invasive species.
That takes care of internal and external factors.
1) Life could have begun, rose and thrive light years away. 2) Life could have begun, rose and thrive tens of light years away. 3) Life could have begun, rose and thrive hundreds of light years away. 4) Life could have begun, rose and thrive thousands of light years away. 5) Life could have begun, rose and thrive millions of light years away. 6) Life could have begun, rose and thrive billions of light years away.
That takes care of distance issues.
1) Life could have built generational ships to cross the expanse between stars and galaxies. 2) Life could have portal technology to connect the vast distances of galaxies and stars within them. 3) Life could have developed mental capabilities to explore the universe without leaving the home planet. 4) Life could have... imagination has no limits on possibilities.
That takes care of transportation issues.
These are real down-to-earth statements for explanation with how we understand physics and potential technology. The odds of a sentient lifeform, surviving technological process, leaving home system, and crossing vast distances to enter our solar system, land on our planet, and be present during our time on the planet for both species to meet. Very astronomical.
1) Life could be non-carbon based. 2) Life could be non-corporeal based. 3) Life could be non-linear based.
That takes care of recognition issues by humans.
1) Life may not be able to verbally communicate. 2) Life may not be able to translate communication. 3) life may not have limbs to visually communicate.
That takes care of conversation issues.
1) Life might not recognize humans as life. 2) Life might not recognize conditions on Earth as life.
That takes care of recognition issues by alien life.
The odds now have just skyrocketed ever so beyond astronomical.
1) Life might be benevolent. 2) Life might be warlike. 3) Life might be in need of new food sources. 4) Life might be in need of more natural resources.
That takes care of intention.
On the other hand, life is splendid among the stars cooperating or fighting and waiting for our arrival on the galactic stage. 3) L
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Shuffler on September 16, 2025, 04:24:51 PM
My daughter gives me a Far Side desk calendar every year. They are reprints of the same from the 90's. That "roll over" always gives me a chuckle. Every now and then I don't get the joke and have to look it up.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 16, 2025, 10:14:54 PM
... thar energy drinks are harmful to the human body.
I don't have any data to support my belief. It's a gut feeling based on the notion of increased chemicals saturating the cells in the human body. In the ingredients, how much is natural and how much is created in the lab?
I believe that people indulging excessively could suffer long term effects.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: icepac on September 17, 2025, 04:46:09 AM
Same goes for vaccine Adjuvant.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Shuffler on September 17, 2025, 10:25:34 AM
... thar energy drinks are harmful to the human body.
I don't have any data to support my belief. It's a gut feeling based on the notion of increased chemicals saturating the cells in the human body. In the ingredients, how much is natural and how much is created in the lab?
I believe that people indulging excessively could suffer long term effects.
They have shown that excessive use is harmful and may cause death.
Caffinated workout queen dies at 28.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Eagler on September 17, 2025, 11:33:31 AM
That's why you add vodka to your energy drinks.. :banana:
Makes them more healthy.. :banana:
Eagler
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKIron on September 17, 2025, 11:54:56 AM
So a photon has been traveling through space for billions of years. You have the audacity to look up into space and absorb that photon with your ocular orb. From the photon's perspective no time has passed in the billions of years it's been traveling and suddenly billions of years have passed as it fades from existence. The Horror.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 17, 2025, 10:41:41 PM
... that there was a sentient and technological civilization derived from the Saurian species dominated on Earth over 65 million years ago.
The fossil record will always be incomplete or mislabeled. All evidence of an advanced civilization would be erased over time especially across 65 mya. Possibly, an artifact comprised of a unique metallic structure would unleash new insight on the long ago past.
That civilization could have developed space flight capability. In the future, manned missions to the Moon and Mars could uncover that Saurian colonization.
Furthermore, the colonists might have been the only survivors when the asteroid hit Earth 65 mya. They might have built generational ships and left the solar system. One day, they might return and find a bunch of mammals squatting on the planet.
Ot, they might be here already and are secretly behind the fast-food industry plus sweet food to fatten us up for future culinary needs.
Bon appetite!!!
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 18, 2025, 12:44:38 AM
Told yas
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 18, 2025, 08:25:02 AM
Was this due to an earlier post in the thread? Too sleepy to look.
“ What if there was a more intelligent human type species existed here, but went almost extinct when the volcanos cut loose, and we evolved with complications from inner breeding making us less intelligent
Mind blown”
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 18, 2025, 01:07:30 PM
The Cro-mags are still in the running.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: icepac on September 18, 2025, 04:10:43 PM
An advanced civilization landing on earth would be mining what they need but there is no evidence of that.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 20, 2025, 07:20:43 PM
... that HiTech has multiple BBS accounts to gauge the player base with ideas.
The amount of discussion on so many topics with a few select account holders taking one side or another. Anyone here posting could be Dale in disguise.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 21, 2025, 09:59:50 PM
... that the Harry Potter series of books are based on real life.
J.K. Rowling is a real member of the wizarding world and may be a high-ranking government official. The number of details in the franchise speaks to fictional world building beyond imagination. Intricate layers of wizarding life are described as one who lived it personally.
She had to pass the story off as a children's book in the muggle world. This allowed her to not be brought up on charges of revealing the truth with no empirical evidence.
I never read the books. I just watched the movies. The movies showcase immense detail of this fictional world or maybe a real world of wizardry us muggles aren't supposed to know.
On a side note, almost 15 years ago at Universal Studios Orlando, I was in line for the taping of Family Feud hosted by Steve Harvey. In that line, I spotted a young blond female that looked very much like the actress playing Luna Lovegood. She was with her family and British emanated from them as tourists. I didn't approach them and gave them privacy to enjoy being on Holiday. She was very shy and stayed close to her dad.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 23, 2025, 06:48:09 PM
A recent DNA study suggests that around 800,000 years ago, early humans faced a severe population bottleneck, with numbers dropping to as few as 1,280 individuals. This near-extinction event lasted for about 117,000 years and may have been caused by drastic climate change. These few survivors eventually gave rise to all modern humans, highlighting a critical point in human evolutionary history.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: RUSH1 on September 23, 2025, 07:43:54 PM
What if it turns out earth is the most advanced planet?……and that we won’t be meeting Extraterrestrial life until we make the trip ourselves.
The argument against this is basically, there are a gazillion other planets. Even with 1/gazillion probability of life on a planet, there ought to be others out there with many being more advanced than us.
However, there are counter reasonings that are about as valid as that line of reasoning.
1. If so, where are they? (Yes, the various things: if there is no faster-than-light travel, they aren't able to get here, and we haven't heard them yet. Or they are here, but want to stay secret. Or they are here and talked to our leaders, but not to us plebeians.)
2. There are arguments that the probability of life (P) is so drastically small that even gazillion x P is small. So we might be it.
3. It took about 5B years on Earth for humans to show up. The universe is estimated to be 14B years old. Thus, in the one example we know, it took an appreciable fraction of the age of the universe for human-level intelligence to show up. What if we are on the quick side. And there will be other human-level (or higher) intelligences, but they aren't there yet.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Eagler on September 24, 2025, 07:37:14 AM
That theory has been turned on it's head recently. Several other theories popping up in it's place.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 24, 2025, 08:22:37 AM
The observable universe stretches to 14 billion light-years. Edwin Hubble discovered the red shift, and voilà! Galaxies were moving away from each other. The expanding universe was born. The age of the universe was assigned a numerical value.
That doesn't factor in what lies beyond the observable universe. There could be more there, just not seen yet, because the light hasn't arrived on Earth. The universe could be way older than 14 billion years.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 24, 2025, 10:02:08 AM
The argument against this is basically, there are a gazillion other planets. Even with 1/gazillion probability of life on a planet, there ought to be others out there with many being more advanced than us.
However, there are counter reasonings that are about as valid as that line of reasoning.
1. If so, where are they? (Yes, the various things: if there is no faster-than-light travel, they aren't able to get here, and we haven't heard them yet. Or they are here, but want to stay secret. Or they are here and talked to our leaders, but not to us plebeians.)
2. There are arguments that the probability of life (P) is so drastically small that even gazillion x P is small. So we might be it.
3. It took about 5B years on Earth for humans to show up. The universe is estimated to be 14B years old. Thus, in the one example we know, it took an appreciable fraction of the age of the universe for human-level intelligence to show up. What if we are on the quick side. And there will be other human-level (or higher) intelligences, but they aren't there yet.
How possible is it that there are elements out there we have never seen or observed before that could change everything we understand about energy and flight? I certainly believe there are younger galaxies with less population build up, but on the contrary, some civilizations could be just 1 billion years older than us which would amount to a crazy difference in tech. Barring they didnt have their own civilizational issues holding their society down in the dirt. Imagine where we will be in just 100 million years relative to a billion.
Also, its amazing to me that dinosaurs existed like 360m-100M supposedly before humans. The time it would take for the earth to naturally create them, and supposedly be less intelligent is very interesting. I wonder if other earth's develop dinosaurs first? And why did they never organically come back? Differences in oxygen/co2 levels then? Life seems so much smaller than it use to be. Just questions to ponder.
I think much of our history has been manipulated to keep us in the dark but explain things in a narrative that "makes sense" so as to keep us from expanding our minds and the true understanding of where we came from. Both the religious and the elite masons of the world have a win-win because we are essentially lost in the dark and explaining anything outside of the "accepted narrative" is instantly looked as crazy and heretic.
I was telling my mother the other day when she came to the realization that I did a few months ago. She said "back in our day, it wasnt so easy to gather this much information on a topic so quickly". And that's exactly why I dont blame "boomers" for the world's problems. They weren't able to put together connections like we can now and were bascially only fed information by approved sources in Mainstrram media, newspapers, and books. But connecting those dots were so much harder. You didnt have all of these "how to" videos on YouTube or traveling journalist instantly able to get their message out.
This is why freedom of speech is so important, because if we cannot challenge approved narratives with new research and dot connections, than we will not continue to evolve into a smarter society.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 24, 2025, 10:52:01 AM
How possible is it that there are elements out there we have never seen or observed before that could change everything we understand about energy and flight? I certainly believe there are younger galaxies with less population build up, but on the contrary, some civilizations could be just 1 billion years older than us which would amount to a crazy difference in tech. Barring they didnt have their own civilizational issues holding their society down in the dirt. Imagine where we will be in just 100 million years relative to a billion.
Also, its amazing to me that dinosaurs existed like 360m-100M supposedly before humans. The time it would take for the earth to naturally create them, and supposedly be less intelligent is very interesting. I wonder if other earth's develop dinosaurs first? And why did they never organically come back? Differences in oxygen/co2 levels then? Life seems so much smaller than it use to be. Just questions to ponder.
I think much of our history has been manipulated to keep us in the dark but explain things in a narrative that "makes sense" so as to keep us from expanding our minds and the true understanding of where we came from. Both the religious and the elite masons of the world have a win-win because we are essentially lost in the dark and explaining anything outside of the "accepted narrative" is instantly looked as crazy and heretic.
I was telling my mother the other day when she came to the realization that I did a few months ago. She said "back in our day, it wasnt so easy to gather this much information on a topic so quickly". And that's exactly why I dont blame "boomers" for the world's problems. They weren't able to put together connections like we can now and were bascially only fed information by approved sources in Mainstrram media, newspapers, and books. But connecting those dots were so much harder. You didnt have all of these "how to" videos on YouTube or traveling journalist instantly able to get their message out.
This is why freedom of speech is so important, because if we cannot challenge approved narratives with new research and dot connections, than we will not continue to evolve into a smarter society.
<blank stare.>
Boggy-man under bed
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Brooke on September 24, 2025, 11:37:17 AM
That theory has been turned on it's head recently. Several other theories popping up in it's place.
Sure, but folks were talking about there just have to be other human-level intelligences out there. That is based on assuming gazillion x P is a large number.
I'm pointing out that: 1. We don't know P. Not at all. There are no solid theories for what P is. 2. Gazillion x P could be big. 3. Gazillion x P could be small. 4. Whatever anyone's feeling of what P should be is wobbly and has no solid info behind it.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Brooke on September 24, 2025, 11:51:12 AM
Also, another thing that I think is very interesting (a different angle of view than the mass/energy way of looking at things):
Quantum mechanics has a lot of weird aspects involving the role of observation (and thus consciousness), "delayed-choice quantum eraser", etc.
Quantum mechanics is full of stuff where people (including Einstein) have said, "Well, quantum mechanics can't be true, because if it were true, it means this totally bizarre thing would happen, which is impossible or a paradox." Then folks figure out a way to test it, and the bizarre thing does happen.
It is very interesting.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Shuffler on September 24, 2025, 12:41:38 PM
There may be an alien on the boards and just not saying............
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 24, 2025, 12:51:04 PM
Why do we spend so much time and money trying to establish a colony on planets (IE Mars) that are an unsurvivable environment? Exploration is one thing, thinking we can populate it is absurd pipe dreams that carry no benefit.
I’m on there were intelligent civilizations right here, that may have come close to extinct several times. A lot can happen in just 1,000,000,000 yrs. Better yet 40,000,000,000.
There are things found from 1000s of years ago like a metal machine with data printed on it with metal gears that today we can’t even figure out. Yet following that time its back to stone objects.
We can’t even figure out how they built the pyramids.
I don’t think we came from out there, unless bacteria type single cell living things in meter. Good chance it started here, will end here.
Me thinks the current humans over think things. Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 24, 2025, 12:59:16 PM
Why do we spend so much time and money trying to establish a colony on planets (IE Mars) that are an unsurvivable environment? Exploration is one thing, thinking we can populate it is absurd pipe dreams that carry no benefit.
I’m on there were intelligent civilizations right here, that may have come close to extinct several times. A lot can happen in just 1,000,000,000 yrs. Better yet 40,000,000,000.
There are things found from 1000s of years ago like a metal machine with data printed on it with metal gears that today we can’t even figure out. Yet following that time its back to stone objects.
We can’t even figure out how they built the pyramids.
I don’t think we came from out there, unless bacteria type single cell living things in meter. Good chance it started here, will end here.
Me thinks the current humans over think things. Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.
The goal is to create technology to the point of eliminating a scarcity-controlled monetary society. When money becomes obsolete, then true utopia can begin.
Wait a minute... technology becomes the currency.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Brooke on September 24, 2025, 01:38:23 PM
Why do we spend so much time and money trying to establish a colony on planets (IE Mars) that are an unsurvivable environment?
Straightforward engineering can make livable, even thriving, environments for humans on Mars and outward, including the asteroid belt.
There is a great book on this whole angle "The Millennium Project", by Savage. It lays out what is possible and gives a feel for why there are people who are into this sort of thing.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Animl-AW on September 24, 2025, 01:49:28 PM
Straightforward engineering can make livable, even thriving, environments for humans on Mars and outward, including the asteroid belt.
There is a great book on this whole angle "The Millennium Project", by Savage. It lays out what is possible and gives a feel for why there are people who are into this sort of thing.
Thanks Brooke. I'm always open to alternatives to my own thoughts
However, we cannot live outside the bubble. Is that really living?
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Brooke on September 24, 2025, 02:02:53 PM
Well, you are more advanced with science than me. But where is the line between reality and pipe dream?
Humans have believed in many things that have not turned out. From mythical gods to predicting the end of earth, monsters in the closet.The radio show War of the Worlds a lot took seriously, and reminds me of the fragility of the human mind. Not intelligence, but the mind.
There are those who cam do layered equations in their head quickly, yet have a hard time tying their shoes.
The kast 15 yrs I worked a lot of talking heads, from medical to science, every day was s documentary class for me. Yet, the smarter the crowd the less the males could hit a urinal in the bathroom. Not kidding, neurologist, ya walk in the restroom and the floor is coated with urine. Literally, not kidding. A rockstar restroom stay clean. Its such a left field observation. Yet true. No common sense.
So question if they are taking us down dead ends.
Not debating, just questioning everything.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Brooke on September 24, 2025, 03:10:51 PM
But where is the line between reality and pipe dream?
All if it is possible using today's science and technology. It doesn't require faster-than-light travel, or space elevators, or miracle materials, or nuclear fusion, for example.
I think it's possible if mankind was willing to put in the money and effort. Both Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos (among some other billionaires) want to do it. A bunch of regular plebeians (like me) who are enthusiasts are proponents of it.
How much money? I don't know. But I would be willing to bet it is less than what was wasted on useless wars and gov. graft and corruption over the past 30 years -- which is more than $5 trillion.
There are books on the feasibility of this stuff such as:
The High Frontier, by Gerard K. O'Neill (Jeff Bezos was his student in physics at Princeton) The Millennial Project, by Marshall Savage
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 24, 2025, 03:12:33 PM
Animal, I don't know what your educational background is, or what your hobbies of interest are. I don't know what your life experience is. I don't know what social circles you run with or your environment. Lastly, your age.
I am a high school graduate with a C average, specializing in AFJROTC and USAFACAP on the outside. I took science classes, up to geometry in math, and history as another major interest. Plus, the usual English, art, gym, and lunch to round out the curriculum.
I watched Star Wars at the drive-in back in the summer of '77, Battlestar Galactica as it aired, plus Mork and Mindy and The Six Million Dollar Man, The Bionic Woman and Wonder Woman, and reruns of Star Trek and Batman series as a young boy. I was hooked on sci-fi. I didn't know science until I got older.
I watched the first shuttle launch of Columbia. My dad told me about men walking on the moon. NASA became known to me at age 8. My reading level increased, and my hunger for science, history, and military knowledge ignited. I was still outside playing sports, riding bikes, adventures in the woods, and cub scouts. That was with a child's imagination and fueled by curiosity.
In high school, reality and understanding of the world entered the equation. Amid the shuttle program, I knew that Mars was not going to happen for me. My dream is to walk on Mars. They won't send a 60-year-old astronaut to Mars. Much less an amputee.
I still learn as much science, history, other cultures, and current military standards. I keep myself as knowledgeable as possible. I'm 52 years old. My formal education, self learned education, and life experience interacting with hundreds of different people from varied walks of life have given me a good overall point of view. This is a small sample of my resume.
Keep asking questions. Are your comments based on knowledge or lack of knowledge? Is your humor based on respect or lack of respect?
Brooke does a great job of putting scientific detail into posts. I concentrate on general discussion to allow for both types of readers to enjoy, knowledge-based and non-knowledge-based. I'm fully capable of putting detail into my scientific posts. They would take more time to craft.
I'm not being mean. I'm just getting an understanding for future discussion.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Brooke on September 24, 2025, 03:23:04 PM
Its such a left field observation. Yet true. No common sense.
So question if they are taking us down dead ends.
Not debating, just questioning everything.
I hear you. High IQ does not mean high wisdom. A high-IQ person (like anyone) can still be an idiot, with no practical sense, no idea how people or the real world works. I can certainly be an idiot at times, myself.
You are wise to keep a measure of skepticism about most things. As we have seen, even some things that were considered accepted and settled end up being incorrect.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 24, 2025, 03:41:18 PM
Also, another thing that I think is very interesting (a different angle of view than the mass/energy way of looking at things):
Quantum mechanics has a lot of weird aspects involving the role of observation (and thus consciousness), "delayed-choice quantum eraser", etc.
Quantum mechanics is full of stuff where people (including Einstein) have said, "Well, quantum mechanics can't be true, because if it were true, it means this totally bizarre thing would happen, which is impossible or a paradox." Then folks figure out a way to test it, and the bizarre thing does happen.
It is very interesting.
Yeah Ive casually read over the last few years here and there where a few scientist had qualms with some of Einsteins stuff. I haven't quite got into the weeds of QM. Much of it is very high over my head. I like to keep an open mind about that kind of stuff because as soon as someone says "the science is settled" there is always something smaller or another phenomenon we see through a new lens that essentially "unsettles it" or takes it even further. IMO, we have come a long way, but there are many many things we have yet to understand and discover that will shape the scope of "science".
Im open to many possibilities about the earth and space and aliens. Ive watched a LOT of interviews by folks claiming to know something and maybe everyone single one is full of watermelon in one way or another. Its amazing though the agreement out there about specific alien names, like the archturians, greys, pleiadians, Anunnaki ect. Looking at many past relics with pictures, it certainly is interesting where humans got the idea for some of these stone tablet drawings, and other carvings we see from history, as well as what the organization's hiding artifacts from us, won't tell us becasue it might reshape some of societies ideas. That to me is extremely troubling since it shows they are trying to spin a narrative of history rather than allow humanity to understand that there were certain events that reshaped humanity and civilizations beyond current mainstream understanding.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: knorB on September 24, 2025, 03:45:04 PM
Animal, I don't know what your educational background is, or what your hobbies of interest are. I don't know what your life experience is. I don't know what social circles you run with or your environment. Lastly, your age.
I am a high school graduate with a C average, specializing in AFJROTC and USAFACAP on the outside. I took science classes, up to geometry in math, and history as another major interest. Plus, the usual English, art, gym, and lunch to round out the curriculum.
I watched Star Wars at the drive-in back in the summer of '77, Battlestar Galactica as it aired, plus Mork and Mindy and The Six Million Dollar Man, The Bionic Woman and Wonder Woman, and reruns of Star Trek and Batman series as a young boy. I was hooked on sci-fi. I didn't know science until I got older.
I watched the first shuttle launch of Columbia. My dad told me about men walking on the moon. NASA became known to me at age 8. My reading level increased, and my hunger for science, history, and military knowledge ignited. I was still outside playing sports, riding bikes, adventures in the woods, and cub scouts. That was with a child's imagination and fueled by curiosity.
In high school, reality and understanding of the world entered the equation. Amid the shuttle program, I knew that Mars was not going to happen for me. My dream is to walk on Mars. They won't send a 60-year-old astronaut to Mars. Much less an amputee.
I still learn as much science, history, other cultures, and current military standards. I keep myself as knowledgeable as possible. I'm 52 years old. My formal education, self learned education, and life experience interacting with hundreds of different people from varied walks of life have given me a good overall point of view. This is a small sample of my resume.
Keep asking questions. Are your comments based on knowledge or lack of knowledge? Is your humor based on respect or lack of respect?
Brooke does a great job of putting scientific detail into posts. I concentrate on general discussion to allow for both types of readers to enjoy, knowledge-based and non-knowledge-based. I'm fully capable of putting detail into my scientific posts. They would take more time to craft.
I'm not being mean. I'm just getting an understanding for future discussion.
For entertainment purposes and you can dig deeper if you wish... dont mind temu rob lowe.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Shuffler on September 24, 2025, 04:43:13 PM
Funny, but I passed some of these places coming in some years back.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: LCADolby on September 25, 2025, 09:50:45 AM
For entertainment purposes and you can dig deeper if you wish... dont mind temu rob lowe.
I love the Why Files. Even the host AJ said 99 percent of what he covers it utter bull. I love a host that doesn't take it too serious or overthink each topic.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: knorB on September 25, 2025, 10:04:49 AM
I love the Why Files. Even the host AJ said 99 percent of what he covers it utter bull. I love a host that doesn't take it too serious or overthink each topic.
It's the 1% that are scary.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKKuya on September 29, 2025, 10:19:36 PM
... the multiverse. Which different universe would be a great place to visit? Alternative history, film universe, doppelganger, reverse, or another type? Why would you choose it?
I would choose a film universe. I would step onto the bridge of USS Voyager after being placed in the Delta Quadrant. The 24th-century technology and medicine have real possibilities of curing ailments that our current medicine and technology can't treat. Artificial gravity and inertia dampeners in space make a good combination for space travel.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: icepac on September 30, 2025, 05:31:13 AM
If one believes in advanced alien planets, does that make one “faith based”?
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: knorB on October 01, 2025, 05:26:11 AM
Yeah Ive casually read over the last few years here and there where a few scientist had qualms with some of Einsteins stuff. I haven't quite got into the weeds of QM. Much of it is very high over my head. I like to keep an open mind about that kind of stuff because as soon as someone says "the science is settled" there is always something smaller or another phenomenon we see through a new lens that essentially "unsettles it" or takes it even further. IMO, we have come a long way, but there are many many things we have yet to understand and discover that will shape the scope of "science".
Im open to many possibilities about the earth and space and aliens. Ive watched a LOT of interviews by folks claiming to know something and maybe everyone single one is full of watermelon in one way or another. Its amazing though the agreement out there about specific alien names, like the archturians, greys, pleiadians, Anunnaki ect. Looking at many past relics with pictures, it certainly is interesting where humans got the idea for some of these stone tablet drawings, and other carvings we see from history, as well as what the organization's hiding artifacts from us, won't tell us becasue it might reshape some of societies ideas. That to me is extremely troubling since it shows they are trying to spin a narrative of history rather than allow humanity to understand that there were certain events that reshaped humanity and civilizations beyond current mainstream understanding.
Quantum Mechanics at it's most basic is simply that there are discrete orbits for electrons in atoms. Electrons will always orbit in these various, but known, distances from the nucleus depending on their energy level. When an electron changes energy state it does not just slide into a different orbit. It "jumps" into that orbit instantaneously (maybe) without moving through the space between. That's where the phrase "quantum leap" comes from.
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKIron on October 01, 2025, 11:23:05 AM
Entanglement is another aspect of Quantum Mechanics. Particles become "connected" such that what affects one affects the other. Regardless of distance or even time. It is confusing. They say this does not violate the speed of light "barrier" since no "communication" is possible. But I wonder why not? If you send particles through a "double slit" and do not observe/measure which slit the particle travels through then an interference pattern is observed on a barrier. If you do observe which slit the particle goes through then the interference pattern disappears.
What would happen if you sent a stream of particles one direction through a double slit then the other stream of particles (entangled with the first) through a distant double slit. Apply a signal to the local slits turning on and off the observation causing the interference pattern to turn on and off. Morse code for simplification. Would not the distant stream also reproduce this interference on/off effect?
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: Eagler on October 01, 2025, 01:52:05 PM
Pretty sure we know about 1/1,000,000,000,000 of what we don't know..
Gotta laugh at those that think something can't be just because it can't be explained now..
Eagler
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: CptTrips on October 01, 2025, 02:06:09 PM
Quantum Foam is the source of Consciousness and Free-Will.
It saved the Universe from the cold death of Determinism.
"Nothing is written."
Title: Re: I Believe in the Possibility of...
Post by: AKIron on October 01, 2025, 02:29:04 PM