Not saying you aren't a weirdo but controversy is usually more interesting than old music.
Could be that coddling controversy/conflict is toxic to the spirit, normalized poison. Enjoying controversy/conflict is a deflection from issues within. It can destroy friends. The uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.
Enjoying music of fond memories releases endorphins, a comfort zone, like comfort food. It doesn’t make people hate each other. Takes one back to happier times. Music works very time. It makes friends
I’ll take old upbeat music over hate every day
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Meatwad on October 17, 2025, 02:24:20 PM
The same few people report them because a healthy discussion is toxic to them if it doesnt support their narrow minded views. If they lose an argument, then it must be because you are (insert random keyword they use as an excuse when they lose an argument)
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Animl-AW on October 17, 2025, 02:48:47 PM
Nice projection
What if no one is actually reporting an mod just doing their job.
The ones who speak about others standing in the report btn are those who do it, ir castly deserve it. Own yourself
There are rules, you are not special.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Animl-AW on October 17, 2025, 02:59:32 PM
Funny how “tough guys” do all the cryin. A lil masking?
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Busher on October 17, 2025, 04:36:58 PM
The same few people report them because a healthy discussion is toxic to them if it doesnt support their narrow minded views. If they lose an argument, then it must be because you are (insert random keyword they use as an excuse when they lose an argument)
Does anyone ever lose an argument? When was the last time anyone observed a person's viewpoint changing?
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: AKIron on October 17, 2025, 04:58:59 PM
My viewpoint changes almost daily. Not favorably though for those with whom I disagree.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: nopoop on October 17, 2025, 06:24:34 PM
Seems that for the most part that the posts I find the most interesting are the ones that always end up locked.
You are not alone. I enjoy a good discusion. Give and take. Lately it is boring. Some go off the rails. They have no concept of an opposing viewpoint. Hence no discusion.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Busher on October 17, 2025, 06:54:54 PM
You are not alone. I enjoy a good discusion. Give and take. Lately it is boring. Some go off the rails. They have no concept of an opposing viewpoint. Hence no discusion.
When opposing viewpoints become polarized, I am not convinced discussion is even possible. I wish it was.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Eagler on October 18, 2025, 06:33:01 AM
Some seem to be making their final comments on bullet shells these days..
That can't be a good thing..
I think we have done a fantastic job of doing the total opposite of accepting diversity of ideas..
Those that spew the need to have tolerance the loudest seem to have none if you aren't in their mindset..
I think the little computer in everyone's hands giving them tech neck and way too much free time on their hands has something to do with it..
Eagler
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 18, 2025, 10:23:05 AM
The best way for someone to actually change their viewpoint is to live in a place for a bit that pushes the same ideas that you have, or even the opposite just to see what its like.
I think there is a lot of perceptional vs reality issues that any media can take advantage of.
My wife saw this first hand when we lived in Portland for a few years. We saw exactly what it was like, not just a media view. She changed her perspective real quick. Now we live north of Orlando and its almost paradise for us, and most folks have similar ideas as us, so we enjoy it and more importantly, appreciate it. Ive had the opportunity to live in both. I miss a lot of things about Oregon, but living the way they choose to live just to me, isnt the same standard of living as North Orlando.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 18, 2025, 11:17:22 AM
There are areas where compromise is possible, and sometimes even desirable.
But there are also belief systems, and desires, that are simply incompatible, as they are diametrically opposed.
There is also the truth, factual and objective, and there is everything else. Somewhere someone came up with this bizarre "your truth" concept.
The polarization we see is the result of absolute incompatibility of some beliefs, principles, and ideals.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Meatwad on October 18, 2025, 02:04:52 PM
The groups that are all about love and tolerance will apparently physically kill you because they dont agree with you
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: JimmyD3 on October 18, 2025, 02:53:08 PM
There are areas where compromise is possible, and sometimes even desirable.
But there are also belief systems, and desires, that are simply incompatible, as they are diametrically opposed.
There is also the truth, factual and objective, and there is everything else. Somewhere someone came up with this bizarre "your truth" concept.
The polarization we see is the result of absolute incompatibility of some beliefs, principles, and ideals.
GO back to the basics, "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you", "What is good for the Goose, is good for the Gander:. take your pick, these were learned in Sunday School and in Kindergarden. :rock
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 18, 2025, 04:05:05 PM
GO back to the basics, "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you", "What is good for the Goose, is good for the Gander:. take your pick, these were learned in Sunday School and in Kindergarden. :rock
Yeah, except some can't "live and let live". In fact, they force you to embrace and fund their behavior. And they will attempt to do you serious harm if you refuse to acquiesce.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: hazmatt on October 18, 2025, 04:22:21 PM
This turned into a rather interesting thread. Does that mean it's going to get locked?
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Busher on October 18, 2025, 04:22:31 PM
The polarization we see is the result of absolute incompatibility of some beliefs, principles, and ideals.
That's such an interesting statement when I thought we all had "the right" to believe what we want; define principles and ideals as we see fit; without concern or fear of being maligned by others with an opposing position. Kinda like the way I was taught to "mind my own business"
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 18, 2025, 04:47:30 PM
That's such an interesting statement when I thought we all had "the right" to believe what we want; define principles and ideals as we see fit; without concern or fear of being maligned by others with an opposing position. Kinda like the way I was taught to "mind my own business"
No one said you didn't.
However, once you decide to force those upon others, by using the government to force them to embrace your ways, and financially support them, things change.
Some beliefs are diametrically opposed, and completely incompatible.
Without going too deep into "politics", although this thread will almost certainly get locked, there are certain ideals, beliefs, and principles which are enumerated and enshrined in the Founding Documents. There is a group that opposes those ideals, beliefs, and principles, and fully intends to eliminate them. They are willing to resort to violence in order to do so.
If you do not agree with those ideals, beliefs, and principles upon which the nation is founded, there are literally dozens of nations where they are not the fundamental basis for the nation. People should go where the system they desire exists.
I count myself extremely blessed to have been born here, in this Republic, and I believe strongly in the Founding Documents, as written, in the context of the time period when they were written, in accordance with the other writings of them men who wrote them, signed them, and offered their very lives and treasure to create the Republic. They say exactly what they mean, they mean exactly what they say.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Busher on October 18, 2025, 05:03:19 PM
However, once you decide to force those upon others, by using the government to force them to embrace your ways, and financially support them, things change.
Some beliefs are diametrically opposed, and completely incompatible.
Without going too deep into "politics", although this thread will almost certainly get locked, there are certain ideals, beliefs, and principles which are enumerated and enshrined in the Founding Documents. There is a group that opposes those ideals, beliefs, and principles, and fully intends to eliminate them. They are willing to resort to violence in order to do so.
If you do not agree with those ideals, beliefs, and principles upon which the nation is founded, there are literally dozens of nations where they are not the fundamental basis for the nation. People should go where the system they desire exists.
I count myself extremely blessed to have been born here, in this Republic, and I believe strongly in the Founding Documents, as written, in the context of the time period when they were written, in accordance with the other writings of them men who wrote them, signed them, and offered their very lives and treasure to create the Republic. They say exactly what they mean, they mean exactly what they say.
Sorry Virg, I see nothing in your claims that is anything but selective interpretation of the founding documents.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 18, 2025, 05:13:17 PM
Sorry Virg, I see nothing in your claims that is anything but selective interpretation of the founding documents.
There's literally nothing selective about it. I read them, and interpret them, using the definitions of the words in place at the time they were written, and in the context of the writings of the men who wrote them. Conservative, contextualist, and constructionalist. The men who wrote them, actually wrote, at the time, that those documents were to be strictly and narrowly interpreted in accordance with the definitions of the words when the documents were written, and in the context of the hundreds, if not thousands of articles, books, and letters written by the men who wrote and signed the documents. They're really clear about what they mean, if you read them in that manner.
As an aside, I see no reason to have any anger or hatred toward you because you disagree. I see no need to disparage you personally.
I am, however, unyielding in my support for the documents exactly as they were written, with the definitions and context of the time in which they were written.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Busher on October 18, 2025, 06:15:47 PM
I am, however, unyielding in my support for the documents exactly as they were written, with the definitions and context of the time in which they were written.
And yet you say this "But there are also belief systems, and desires, that are simply incompatible".
Those very documents guarantee that no "beliefs or desires" are incompatible.... even though they may be distasteful to you.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: knorB on October 18, 2025, 06:19:08 PM
No, those documents say no such thing. That's what you WANT them to say.
There a lot of beliefs and desires which are strictly prohibited.
You can choose to "believe" what you wish....you can even "believe" that I "desire" to think that you are full of **** ! All because some smart old men guaranteed personal freedoms.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 18, 2025, 08:04:36 PM
You can choose to "believe" what you wish....you can even "believe" that I "desire" to think that you are full of **** ! All because some smart old men guaranteed personal freedoms.
And there you go. Thanks for playing. This is why there aren't any discussions. Congratulations.
Title: Re: I must be a weirdo
Post by: Spikes on October 18, 2025, 08:09:04 PM