All I'm seeing. AI is giving a reason for firing thousands of people. This is not a positive thing.
Neither is mortality.
What is your remedy?
[Edit]
BTW, you're not wrong.
It's just not worth harping on. It's going to happen. It's already baked into the cake.
Layoff will start getting ugly 2026. By 2027 people will be seriously panicking.
At first they will try and blame it on the cyclical downturn from the coming recession\depression. But the truth is, those jobs are not coming back.
If you are not a welder or a mechanic or a plumber, if you are not in the top 20% of your peers at work, if your in the middling skills or a young person starting out, you're toast. By 2027, AI will have taken all intellectually menial work. And a lot more people do intellectually menial work than like to admit it.
I'm curious what happens when you approach 50% unemployment.
Buy more ammo.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Animl-AW on October 28, 2025, 06:22:19 PM
A CEO is usually just a low-life to begin with. His job is not to hire you, its to find more ways to fire you.
Why I stayed freelance/outside contractor with a strict contract Because I love telling a CEO in corp stuff, FU pay me.
Pay attention to what products and services you patronize. I’ve always refused to use things like Amazon. I use direct purchases whenever possible. I won’t eat at large franchise restaurants.
Most things I buy online is through a rechargeable store bought card. They screw me over I simply don’t recharge it and toss it.
Look how fast you can crush a car maker. How and where one spends is more powerful than a nuke.
Think if you just wait to pay taxes until end of yr. I don’t do loans.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: nopoop on October 28, 2025, 06:25:46 PM
I moved to the trades in 85. The fleet trucking are dieing for mechanics. Tbey would hire 4 tomorrow today at my old job. Alas now I work at changing beer in to urine...
Getting good at it :banana:
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 28, 2025, 06:58:38 PM
We will have some form of UBI by 2030.
Or figure out some way to eliminate half your population.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on October 28, 2025, 07:26:08 PM
This should tell you how top heavy most companies are with unnecessary "white collar" jobs that add zero to the value of the product or the bottom line of the company.
You don't need twelve "engineers" to "design" a simple "widget" by "putting their name on it'. And you don't need three dozen managers, managing 6 dozen managers, who manage a dozen managers each, who are managing 5 people each.
Speaking from inside a large multinational corporation, I can tell you that it is becoming evident that there's more chaff than wheat in most large businesses, and it's becoming impossible for them to compete and maintain profitability.
They continually push us to "make use of "AI", and I happily remind them that "AI" can't do what I do, and is a hindrance, not a helpful tool. With an evil smile on my face when I do it.
That said, "AI" will almost certainly become the bane of human existence. And "AI" is still subject to the clown who writes the original programming, so it is still garbage in, garbage out. It's just a matter of who creates the original garbage.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 28, 2025, 07:39:39 PM
Someone has to collect those TPS reports.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Busher on October 28, 2025, 11:08:10 PM
AI is not a tool for CEO's but most CEO's are tools. :)
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Eagler on October 29, 2025, 07:58:57 AM
I would imagine sound engineers would be an easy AI job swap..
I know the last 6 years I spent before retirement doing contractor software QA testing will be totally replaced by it..
Need an AI tax to fund the huge UBI $$$$ needed to keep food and electricity flowing into the newly unemployed and basically useless and not needed..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 08:22:30 AM
With advancing robotics there's really no job an AI won't be able to do. Some jobs may remain cheaper to do with humans.
While the movie The Matrix was entertaining I don't believe it possible for human bodies to be net producers of energy.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 08:32:02 AM
So, in fiction, an AI will determine which resource is more efficient in completing its desired tasks, humans or machines. If humans prove to be less efficient or more trouble than they are worth....
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Eagler on October 29, 2025, 08:33:50 AM
So, in fiction, an AI will determine which resource is more efficient in completing its desired tasks, humans or machines. If humans prove to be less efficient or more trouble than they are worth....
Well let's hope they program in laziness, hangovers and forgetfulness to give us a fighting chance..
Eagler
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Animl-AW on October 29, 2025, 09:52:02 AM
I would imagine sound engineers would be an easy AI job swap..
Eagler
Yes and no. In the late 90s, before digital consoles, wanting to mix multi channels in a PC, I designed a script that would keep the input gain at zero on the meters. Was just messing around. Nver let anyone see it because of just that. Then digi consoles came out and it became more real than I cared for..
There is some physical work that no AI can do. Patching in the mic cables, mic choice, mic placement. For a monitor engineer, not only is he mixes for that artist as adrenaline changes, instrument volumes change, things break. Something goes bad its up to him to get out there on stage and fix it on the spot within seconds -1-2 minutes. I/he controls the entire stage. Its not just mixing. There are also cues during the show where the mix will change for certain parts, then back again. Then there is feedback if using wedge speakers,… what mic out of 30-40 is causing it, which graphic EQ out of 4-22 needs the tweak.
FOH mix, maybe. There is nowhere near the work a ME does. I hand him a product to mix.He only mixes left-right and center. - front row fills. I’m doing 4-22 mixes at the same time. He’s doing 1-2.
AI COULD do that as long as it knows how the songs are suppose to sound. The gear rental to do that would cost x4 of a human show payroll.
You’d have to keep the crew no matter what AI can do, you’d only be replacing 1-2 guys. Monitors is highly doubtful. A lot of split second decisions made second to second. Top that off with one or both of us will have talent buyers, promoters, record company and sound company execs are standing behind us making sure we make no mistakes and approval of our work. Its a ship load of pressure. They probably can’t communicate with AI to change something. There are so many things to do I barely remember the actual show. You’re not sitting there enjoying a show, things change. Things don’t always go as planned. It might be easier to pilot a trip to the moon.
Can it be done? Maybe in some form of lameness. Will it save money? No. Some dweeb exec will probably research it, it won’t go far, he’ll be fired for trying and failure..
One of the main reasons we have lame-ish digital consoles is because you can stuff 2-3 tons of and $100k-300k of analog sound gear into a 150lb console, 2 tons less in truck room and weight. They do not sound as good as analog. It saves money. A corp idea. Problem is, that console crashes you lose everything. I’ve seen the pure panic of a digi console crashing mid-show. Scary AF, you’ll be fired for it crashing and your reputation smashed..
Is it possible? I guess. Probably not in my lifetime. Maybe studio stuff, not live.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 09:57:32 AM
All AI needs is one recording of how each specific song is supposed to sound. Then it can mimic that every time with ease.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Animl-AW on October 29, 2025, 10:06:27 AM
All AI needs is one recording of how each specific song is supposed to sound. Then it can mimic that every time with ease.
Edited True. As I stated, MAYBE at FOH. It won’t save money. Monitors would be a challenge, they are not mixed like a record, they are custom to each individual, only center stage sounds like the record where they all couple together. An individual mix won’t even make sense to you. Almost never is each monitor a full band mix. Gtr player may just have the other gtr , keys and vocals. Drums and bass may only have each other, drum toms are almost never mixed in monitors. they hate lead gtr in their monitors. The only drums used is kick, snare and hi-hat to keep everyone in time. Lead vocal may only want himself and keys to keep him on key. It changes from band to band and even mid-show.if that needed change doesn’t happen have fun finding work, you just blew a show, and the whole industry will know it within a week. You won’t get hired,
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 10:09:48 AM
One AI can be trained to be as good as the best. Then it can do the job at every event. Always as good as the best. It never has a bad day or calls in sick. This is true for any profession than an AI can be adapted to do.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 29, 2025, 10:16:36 AM
Look at that list. Know that there are tons and TONS of jobs not listed here (only so much pages space) that are of similar level that are also toast.
The problem is, unlike the Industrial Revolution that took a couple of decades to complete, this is going to take months. Neither government nor people will have a chance to adapt to this before it is a nightmare. There will be no time to retrain hundreds of millions before they are effected.
And you can wring your hands as much as you please, there is no stopping it. Your thoughts on taxation and UBI is what people are going to have to think about. There is no stopping it, the best strategy now is to start planning how to mitigate the downside. If there is no stopping it, focus on harm reduction.
It is going to completely up-end society. All your quaint legacy ideas of money and taxes and private property are going to be challenged. The old rules you believed in the before-time will vanish. The phrase adapt or die will be on your mind every waking moment from the President down to the lowliest Receptionist and everyone in between.
On the other hand there will be a few who are made fabulously, unimaginably rich off this transformation. 15% will become obscenely wealthy, everyone else will eat Solent Green. Only the top 20% of performers in every field will be kept. All else will be replaced by AI at 1000th the cost. The difference is pure profit. The next couple of years will probably be a horror show. Corporate Hunger Games and everyone desperately claws at keeping a job. It won’t be fair and it won’t be fun.
However, eventually I think AI will be an enormous boon to humanity. Our horizons just expanded exponentially. I no longer compare AI to the printing-press. AI is more fundamental than that. It is the invention of fire.
It’s just that the next 20 years are going to be sorta horrific. The old civilization will have to go though some wicked birth pains, but it will eventually produce a new civilization based on completely different rules.
Welcome to the Singularity.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 10:19:34 AM
Maybe Soylent Green won't be so bad.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Animl-AW on October 29, 2025, 10:22:52 AM
Now you need a guy to manage AI, maybe a whole new crew of 3-5 added. You saved zero, probably added cost. Maybe in 5-10 yrs. You’re not even close right now.
Lighting and pyro could be operated in AI right now.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 29, 2025, 10:31:25 AM
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Randy1 on October 29, 2025, 11:00:56 AM
AI bubble will burst. AI, the Siman says of corporate excuses.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Animl-AW on October 29, 2025, 11:33:19 AM
If you’re interest in what a ME dies, my former job,… I actually know these guys, did this for Styx many times over decades. I simply moved on to other bands and return when they lost their guy. I dud their shows befire switching to IEM, IEM mch asier
YT now has as many commercials as tv, CEO suckage I simply don’t see AI replacing this job, maybe ever.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKKuya on October 29, 2025, 11:38:02 AM
What will happen is that corporations will slash jobs to see instant cash profits. When the unemployment rate skyrockets, then they will see a mass drop in sales due to no one being able to buy consistently. Stocks will plunge.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 29, 2025, 11:45:57 AM
What will happen is that corporations will slash jobs to see instant cash profits. When the unemployment rate skyrockets, then they will see a mass drop in sales due to no one being able to buy consistently. Stocks will plunge.
What happens if you lose half your customers, but your profit margin increases 500%?
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 12:09:16 PM
Capitalism vs Communism Profit vs World Domination
Which will lose interest in AI first?
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 29, 2025, 12:26:27 PM
Capitalism vs Communism Profit vs World Domination
Which will lose interest in AI first?
Those are old words from the old civilization.
Does Capitalism vs Communism even have meaning where large swaths of the economy, the cost of labor goes essentially to near zero?
Humanoid robotics (AI powered) is another field about to explode peoples minds.
If you still believe in Capitalism then these coming mass layoffs are simply capital moving resources towards the most efficient means of production. That IS what Capitalism is supposed to do. You would have to abandon Capitalism to interfere enough with the process to stop that. That is call a command economy.
Or you let Capitalism seek it's most efficient state and instead just work to cleanup the wreckage.
Personally, I don't bemoan the death of intellectually menial work. That is not a good life for humans.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 12:29:08 PM
I was noting the difference between countries spending gazillions on AI. For one AI is useful only if it remains profitable. For the other....
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 12:32:08 PM
New outage today affecting millions. Unlike last time, Amazon is saying it's not us.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Eagler on October 29, 2025, 12:34:53 PM
Just need your small cube with high speed internet, 4k vr resolution, 1000's of social media friends and likes who you have no idea who is real and what are government provided AI pals...
Your insurance covered robotic live in assistant makes sure you're fat and happy..
Might be good for AH subscription numbers...
Eagler
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 29, 2025, 12:39:50 PM
We're not THAT stupid. You are going to see a Manhattan Project level build out of power and compute. This is a National Security issue.
If China felt like it was losing, it almost assuredly will try and take Taiwan in 27. We can build more power quickly, building compute is hard and takes time to setup. 90% of the AI chips are currently being made 90 miles from the Chinese mainland. If they took Taiwan we are hosed. If they destroyed Taiwan they at least flip over the chess board and buy more time while both sides try and rebuild fabrication.
For 5 years at least, I think it is our VITAL national interest to protect Taiwan. China will probably make a go for it in 2027 as we pull ahead in AI.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Animl-AW on October 29, 2025, 12:51:43 PM
Which capitalism? Most labels work the same.
USA is not 100% capitalism. Here its mostly capitalism with fragments of socialism as balance for the lower income/blue collar people.
True 100% capitalism is closest to fascism. It’s one step below fascism. The rich get richer off the backs of the poor. Total dog eat dog. We are drifting there. CEOs play that role in distorting our form of capitalism in the wrong direction for the blue collar.
To go further will become political
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKKuya on October 29, 2025, 12:59:09 PM
You can spend millions of dollars to build a restaurant that is computer-controlled with automation to wait on customers, make the food and clean up afterwards. AI can do that.
A manager, service tech, and operations employee for detail work are all the staff you need during a shift. How long would it be before the service tech folds the other two into his job duties to save money?
How long would it take to recover the initial expenditure of money for the start-up in profits?
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 29, 2025, 01:08:13 PM
You can spend millions of dollars to build a restaurant that is computer-controlled with automation to wait on customers, make the food and clean up afterwards. AI can do that.
A manager, service tech, and operations employee for detail work are all the staff you need during a shift. How long would it be before the service tech folds the other two into his job duties to save money?
How long would it take to recover the initial expenditure of money for the start-up in profits?
Are you suggesting some remedy?
Are you suggesting Capitalism be stopped from seeking it's most efficient state?
The other variable you didn't mention, if you don't do it, will you be put out of business by your competitors who do?
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 01:27:04 PM
Unless China can be stopped in developing AI no one else will stop. That's not to say if China stopped tomorrow anyone else would exercise caution. AI is here to stay. My biggest question is whether it will remain a tool to be wielded or will we.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: CptTrips on October 29, 2025, 01:34:20 PM
Unless China can be stopped in developing AI no one else will stop. That's not to say if China stopped tomorrow anyone else would exercise caution. AI is here to stay. My biggest question is whether it will remain a tool to be wielded or will we.
No one will stop anything.
If China stopped we wouldn't. If we stopped, China wouldn't. It's going to happen.
At the beginning of the industrial revolution there was a movement called the Luddites. They were angry at the machines replacing humans in the factories. They thought by sneaking in and smashing up the machines they could stop the inevitable. Spoiler Alert: It didn't work.
As an AI what do you imagine your purpose might be if there were no pesky humans to take care of or get in the way?
Space Travel?
Maybe all interstellar travel is AI only. It's just not feasible for biologics no matter what planet you are from.
I'm not going on a billion year trip anywhere, but AI? No problem. A billion years or a week is the same to him.
Maybe that is what our UAV's are?
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Shuffler on October 29, 2025, 03:04:42 PM
If a company is claiming to release folks because of AI, they are making excuses for their own failure. No AI replaces anyone. The folks they are releasing is because the hired far beyond requirements or hired poorly qualified individuals.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKKuya on October 29, 2025, 03:09:40 PM
In the words of Judge Smails, "The World will always need ditch diggers."
No guarantees on that one.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Vulcan on October 29, 2025, 03:16:38 PM
Look at that list. Know that there are tons and TONS of jobs not listed here (only so much pages space) that are of similar level that are also toast.
Yeah nah. For most of that list AI will augment their roles. i.e. make them a bit easier. Our AI is not really AI... it's computational models pair with large language models. Basically we're using the gains in compute to do more complicated stuff and pairing it with systems that translate the interface into plain english.
AI will never have an 'ah hah!' moment, AI will never go that extra mile in customer service, AI will never show compassion, AI WILL NEVER SHAKE YOUR HAND.
What AI will do is help me do my job better. It will help me write reports to a level of a professional writer, would I have ever hired a professional writer to do that? No. Is it putting anyone out of work? No.
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: AKIron on October 29, 2025, 03:28:14 PM
Is that you Grok?
Title: Re: AI as a Tool for CEO's
Post by: Shuffler on October 29, 2025, 03:30:09 PM