General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Banshee7 on January 25, 2026, 08:54:34 AM
Title: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Banshee7 on January 25, 2026, 08:54:34 AM
Good morning, everyone! I hope those in the path of this winter storm stretching across the southeast are faring well. Yesterday, we got about 6" of snow at my house, and today it is sleeting its behind off. There was a sharp transition zone between snow, sleet, and freezing rain. Praying we keep power and the pipes don't freeze!
As with many threads here, I know some of you will try to make this topic political. However, can we please keep the conversation both scientific AND civil?
In the onset of this winter storm, I saw more and more posts on Facebook and Instagram about cloud seeding and bioengineered weather. As many of you are plane enthusiasts like myself, I am interested to see where we stand on this topic now. I searched and read a few comments on an older thread, but I wanted an update.
I understand that cloud seeding and bioengineered weather is a real thing, but I don't believe it to be on the scale that so many conspiracy theorists claim. I had to listen to one of my friends explain to me that the vapor trails behind planes are not supposed to linger, and those that do linger are in fact chemtrails. Mind you, this guy's wife is a professor of science at a local university...I don't know what her stance on this is. Same guy made a post about the amount of vapor trails he saw the morning before the storm hit. I kindly posted a colorized photo of vapor trails behind bombers in WW2 just to troll him even more (he completely took the bait). There are so many people that commented saying they've never seen this many planes in the sky. I tried explaining that we literally live less than 100 miles from the LARGEST Fed Ex hub in the country that sees more than 400 flights per day (not counting commercial flights that use the same airport).
I have completed screwed up my algorithm on social media by researching cloud seeding and bioengineered weather just to see what's out there. So, here I am, rambling on a bulletin board about it. What say you?
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Eagler on January 25, 2026, 09:54:22 AM
If when we can alter the weather odds have it we will screw it up big time...
Has it already begun, who knows but if we can seed clouds to make rain why does Cali have such drought issues..
Eagler
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: AKKuya on January 25, 2026, 10:20:21 AM
Rain? Snow? Sleet? Ice?
Position hundreds of orbital reflecting panels directing solar light into the vast oceans. Surface water evaporates into the rising atmosphere mix. Condensation forms clouds and eventual saturation point kicks out the moisture.
Wildcard. Wind.
Just depends on where the orbital panels are aimed at.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Bolt on January 25, 2026, 10:55:25 AM
I've been looking into it as well, after noticing the trails being sprayed over the house and maybe 2-3 days later we have cold and/or rain. Very odd. Weather all over the world is weird as though man tampered with mother nature and now is reaping the consequences. Also, they've been experimenting with this since before WW2. There are videos of planes creating a literal fog of war to hide ships on the ocean.
Frequency and Vibrations used to manipulate matter is not fiction...otherwise mantras would not exist.
Looked into HAARP as well, with all kinds of wild speculation about Antarctica.
End of the day, the Lord is the cause of all causes. Keep the faith strong, He never does anything that is not for our benefit for He loves us. We pray to soften the effects of the consequences we've inflicted upon ourselves, if not to nullify them totally.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on January 25, 2026, 11:11:47 AM
If when we can alter the weather odds have it we will screw it up big time...
Has it already begun, who knows but if we can seed clouds to make rain why does Cali have such drought issues..
Eagler
Well, you have to understand seeding. Basically its particles dropped into moist air. Mist collects on these particles until they are a drop heavy enough to fall.
If the moisture isn’t there it won’t happen.
Florida would be an excellent place to seed as there is always enough moisture. The west is a whole different climate.
What India discovered was having a LOT of open air reservoirs they evaporate and creat their own weather system. Thats how they saved their farmlands
Also the cold down south is understanding the ice cap dome. Warmer jet stream air moved up and over this dome. Climate change has eaten this dome and now the jet streams flows right through it pushing the cold air down here. This is why the ice caps are melting
Wasn’t that fun? I may watch too many documentaries
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 25, 2026, 02:45:28 PM
I watched something about those con trails containing fine particles of aluminum to reflect sunlight and slow warming. IIRC this dates back to the 70's.
Was an interview of someone by Tucker Carlson.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on January 25, 2026, 05:57:50 PM
I watched something about those con trails containing fine particles of aluminum to reflect sunlight and slow warming. IIRC this dates back to the 70's.
Was an interview of someone by Tucker Carlson.
a half truth
The true part is aluminum partials were released from planes,......during WWII to blind radar. reflecting sunlight to slow warming National Enquirer worthy. Tucker Carlson is about as reliable as a wet book of matches
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 25, 2026, 06:19:12 PM
The true part is aluminum partials were released from planes,......during WWII to blind radar. reflecting sunlight to slow warming National Enquirer worthy. Tucker Carlson is about as reliable as a wet book of matches
Quite a bit of interesting things found in west coast rain samples also brought up in that video..
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 25, 2026, 07:38:37 PM
I watched something about those con trails containing fine particles of aluminum to reflect sunlight and slow warming. IIRC this dates back to the 70's.
Was an interview of someone by Tucker Carlson.
I logged 30,000+ hours of flying time in my career. I can't even begin to guess how many thousands of miles of contrails I have left behind me. In spite of the popularity of media born conspiracy theories, I can assure you contrails (condensation trails) are nothing more than the water created in the burning of a hydrocarbon. Newsflash, the family car makes water when the engine is running too.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 25, 2026, 08:10:33 PM
I logged 30,000+ hours of flying time in my career. I can't even begin to guess how many thousands of miles of contrails I have left behind me. In spite of the popularity of media born conspiracy theories, I can assure you contrails (condensation trails) are nothing more than the water created in the burning of a hydrocarbon. Newsflash, the family car makes water when the engine is running too.
Does it stay in the air for a prolonged period of time?
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Spikes on January 25, 2026, 08:16:03 PM
Why would Florida make a law if they didnt have some understanding of the situation. Unfortunately its still happening through.
florida chemtrail law:
Florida passed legislation (Senate Bill 56) in 2025 that prohibits "geoengineering" and "weather modification" activities, specifically targeting the release of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere intended to alter weather, temperature, or sunlight. Signed by Governor Ron DeSantis and effective in 2025, the law is aimed at curbing unauthorized atmospheric experimentation and addresses concerns related to the "chemtrail" conspiracy theory. Key Aspects of the Florida Law (SB 56/HB 477) Prohibited Activities: The law bans the intentional injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere to affect temperature, weather, or sunlight. Penalties: Violations are considered a third-degree felony, punishable by up to five years in prison and fines of up to $100,000. Airport Reporting: Starting October 1, 2025, public-use airports are required to report monthly to the Florida Department of Transportation on any aircraft equipped with devices for weather modification or aerosol dispersion. Public Reporting Portal: The Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) was tasked with creating a system for residents to report suspected violations. Licensing Repeal: The legislation repeals previous state provisions that allowed for permitted weather modification.
Yes they are spraying heavy metals into the atmosphere which is ruining crop production. Majorly hurting our forest, and part of the reason these forest fires are worse than they've ever neen before.
I can always tell when they are spraying due to the almost perfect spacing of trails
Yeah I'm guessing the multiple airforce engineers blowing the whistle are pretty stupid.
Im assuming the laws put into effect in Florida are fake...
I've seen enough video and facts from the right type of people to at least make it worth watching and reading stuff about it.
If you turn a blind eye to something like this and totally disregard information provided,.. sheeeeep
Do you know how many "air force engineers" I can find to confirm almost anything I want? Doctor shopping evidence. You guys show videos all the time of self defined specialist making nut job claims.
The entire weather hacking things is totally politically one-sided. Maybe it's just God frowning on attitudes.
Ya FL may have put the law in place, doesn't mean one bit of it is based on fact, it was feeding the conspiracy base.
Turn a blind eye? Funny how these things with no hardcore evidence make you guys turn a blind eye to what is right in your face that is absolute.
Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 26, 2026, 07:25:17 PM
There is so much interesting science/technology to read and learn about:
Artificial Intelligence & Tech: Generative AI models.
Health & Biology: A novel, stem-cell-derived "pain sponge" is being developed to soak up pain signals before they reach the brain.
Space & Physics: Physicists have observed a quantum spinning effect in a levitating magnet, confirming long-sought gyroscopic magnetic behavior.
I know I am exaggerating but when there are so many fascinating things to learn, do we really want to find a hidden agenda in the fact that internal combustion engines eject water? :confused:
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 26, 2026, 08:45:48 PM
There is so much interesting science/technology to read and learn about:
Artificial Intelligence & Tech: Generative AI models.
Health & Biology: A novel, stem-cell-derived "pain sponge" is being developed to soak up pain signals before they reach the brain.
Space & Physics: Physicists have observed a quantum spinning effect in a levitating magnet, confirming long-sought gyroscopic magnetic behavior.
I know I am exaggerating but when there are so many fascinating things to learn, do we really want to find a hidden agenda in the fact that internal combustion engines eject water? :confused:
Clearly they do as you have pointed out previously.. what else is coming out of them at high altitude we dont know about?
Clearly they wouldn't be using something that currently DOES leave vapors behind at altitude..
Might be too obvious if they didn't? Right?
You seem to have too much faith in what a lot would consider a crooked world order.. Blue or Red.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on January 26, 2026, 09:33:14 PM
At least when I dipped into paranoid hysteria is was too much weed, decades ago.
Much bigger fish to fry
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 26, 2026, 10:20:13 PM
At least when I dipped into paranoid hysteria is was too much weed, decades ago.
Much bigger fish to fry
Or people talking about other video games on this forum..
Doxxing people in an online flight sim community..
The list is long..
Oh wait.. that was pretty recent.
You've demonstrated there still must be a little dope in your system.
Got to see some of your mornic commentary in the MA tonight to.
Got to see some pisspoor flying to match that of the typing here and there.
I feel like I'm seeing a trend...
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 27, 2026, 05:40:48 AM
Its kinda strange to me they try so hard to discredit, provide no real backup for their discrediting claims, and then call you paranoid for asking questions from your observations and research. Isnt that strange. For the longest time, they denied cloud seeding existed, until a cloud seeding CEO got on FOX and discussed what they do. So now that we know cloud seeding is a real thing. Why would they deny other aerosol spraying techniques that may be damaging? Its interesting how hard they chirp against emissions pollution, but don't seem to care at all about contrials hat dont dissipate Iike water does and form skies so thick it blocks the suns light like my last picture.
What I found really interesting is, one day, not a single contrail in the sky at 30k feet and its perfectly sunny outside. The next, temp doesn't change, but at 30k theres 5 perfectly spread out contrails spreading out in the sky rather than dissapearing behind the jet like normal contrails. Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt. Are we just supposed to assume there was no flights that day? Or that the sky at 30k changed so much day over day that now contrails stay in the air longer?
Why try so hard to discredit?
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 27, 2026, 06:45:44 AM
Its kinda strange to me they try so hard to discredit, provide no real backup for their discrediting claims, and then call you paranoid for asking questions from your observations and research. Isnt that strange. For the longest time, they denied cloud seeding existed, until a cloud seeding CEO got on FOX and discussed what they do. So now that we know cloud seeding is a real thing. Why would they deny other aerosol spraying techniques that may be damaging? Its interesting how hard they chirp against emissions pollution, but don't seem to care at all about contrials hat dont dissipate Iike water does and form skies so thick it blocks the suns light like my last picture.
What I found really interesting is, one day, not a single contrail in the sky at 30k feet and its perfectly sunny outside. The next, temp doesn't change, but at 30k theres 5 perfectly spread out contrails spreading out in the sky rather than dissapearing behind the jet like normal contrails. Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt. Are we just supposed to assume there was no flights that day? Or that the sky at 30k changed so much day over day that now contrails stay in the air longer?
Why try so hard to discredit?
Any time someone has a thought that doesn't fit this type of persons narrative, it's a natural reaction to rebel, throw insults,, stomp feet and whine like a little baby. Almost impossible to have any kind of discussion with them, because some how they wrap politics into it. See above.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on January 27, 2026, 08:36:14 AM
HA! Well yall post so much weird stuff ya become hard to take serious, yet here it is in AI. It’s just NOT a viable approach which I think is obvious. Ya can’t dust the entire earth everyday.
Half truth tho.
Dropping aluminum dust or oxide particles in the atmosphere is a theoretical geoengineering concept known as Welsbach seeding, designed to reflect sunlight, reduce greenhouse-induced warming, and cool the Earth by dispersing particles from aircraft. While patented in 1991, this technique is not considered a viable or currently deployed method by experts.
Concept Details: The 1991 Hughes Aircraft patent (US Patent 5003186) proposed dispersing 10 to 100-micron aluminum oxide particles in the stratosphere (7-13 km altitude) to convert infrared radiation and allow it to escape into space.
Purpose: The primary goal is to counteract global warming by creating a reflective layer, often discussed within the broader scope of stratospheric aerosol injection.
Misconceptions: Such theories are often linked to "chemtrail" conspiracy theories, which the U.S. Air Force has dismissed as a hoax based on a 1996 theoretical paper, "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025," which was a fictional scenario, not a deployed program.
Distinction from Cloud Seeding: Unlike aluminum, common cloud seeding uses silver iodide or dry ice to induce rain, which is a different process used for localized weather modification.
So the concept exist, so does Santa Claus
This took me 4 seconds. Yas don’t fact check before ya soeak. This is Qanon style garbage
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Eagler on January 27, 2026, 10:03:48 AM
Just because a government or its military or law enforcement or.. ***.. says it's true doesn't always mean it is...
Eagler
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 27, 2026, 10:14:46 AM
Isnt it funny how he takes AI and the Airforces word for it that they know about it but certainly dont do it. Lmao. Yet I posted an Air Force military whistleblower who left the airforce because they were lying over this. And yet he totally write her off. Then I post a picture of darkening Oregon skies with trails and yet that's just "muh Q anon conspiracy theory" lmao. If anything, his post give us a clear indication that they are infact very real.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 27, 2026, 10:37:04 AM
Its kinda strange to me they try so hard to discredit, provide no real backup for their discrediting claims, and then call you paranoid for asking questions from your observations and research. Isnt that strange. For the longest time, they denied cloud seeding existed, until a cloud seeding CEO got on FOX and discussed what they do. So now that we know cloud seeding is a real thing. Why would they deny other aerosol spraying techniques that may be damaging? Its interesting how hard they chirp against emissions pollution, but don't seem to care at all about contrials hat dont dissipate Iike water does and form skies so thick it blocks the suns light like my last picture.
What I found really interesting is, one day, not a single contrail in the sky at 30k feet and its perfectly sunny outside. The next, temp doesn't change, but at 30k theres 5 perfectly spread out contrails spreading out in the sky rather than dissapearing behind the jet like normal contrails. Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt. Are we just supposed to assume there was no flights that day? Or that the sky at 30k changed so much day over day that now contrails stay in the air longer?
Why try so hard to discredit?
With so much going on I am sorry you choose to see a conspiracy of evil in something as innocuous as water vapor... and what is also interesting is the fact we had this same discussion 2 or 3 years ago.
1: All jets leave a trail of water vapor. If the upper air (30=40K) is relatively dry, the water vapor evaporates quickly and the jet's contrail will be short in length and short in duration - or might not form at all.
2: If the upper air is relatively moist, the contrails will not easily evaporate (actually sublimate since contrails quickly freeze) and can easily extend for hundreds of miles.
3: Upper winds which often exceed 100 knots can spread contrails and create the look of cirrus clouds.]
4: You said "Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt." I have no idea why you would make that definite statement or why you would believe that. It is categorically false. The ride at altitude is usually smooth but can also be dangerously rough. You might see a jet climbing to altitude where it briefly leaves a visible contrail that appears and disappear. That jet likely climbed through a relatively moist layer of upper air.
You said "Why try so hard to discredit?" Discredit what? or who? You? This phenomenon was observed and proven long before you or I was even born. Maybe you might want to ask yourself how something that has existed since airplanes started to fly high, has only recently (realtively) become the source of such suspicion.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Spikes on January 27, 2026, 10:47:46 AM
Its kinda strange to me they try so hard to discredit, provide no real backup for their discrediting claims, and then call you paranoid for asking questions from your observations and research. Isnt that strange. For the longest time, they denied cloud seeding existed, until a cloud seeding CEO got on FOX and discussed what they do. So now that we know cloud seeding is a real thing. Why would they deny other aerosol spraying techniques that may be damaging? Its interesting how hard they chirp against emissions pollution, but don't seem to care at all about contrials hat dont dissipate Iike water does and form skies so thick it blocks the suns light like my last picture.
What I found really interesting is, one day, not a single contrail in the sky at 30k feet and its perfectly sunny outside. The next, temp doesn't change, but at 30k theres 5 perfectly spread out contrails spreading out in the sky rather than dissapearing behind the jet like normal contrails. Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt. Are we just supposed to assume there was no flights that day? Or that the sky at 30k changed so much day over day that now contrails stay in the air longer?
Why try so hard to discredit?
Why try so hard to discredit science? Just because you don't understand it does not mean it is wrong.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: AKIron on January 27, 2026, 10:54:13 AM
Certainly contrails form naturally. I don't think anyone is disputing that. Could chemicals or other nefarious materials be dispensed this way? Sure, but I seriously doubt they are.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 27, 2026, 11:08:00 AM
With so much going on I am sorry you choose to see a conspiracy of evil in something as innocuous as water vapor... and what is also interesting is the fact we had this same discussion 2 or 3 years ago.
1: All jets leave a trail of water vapor. If the upper air (30=40K) is relatively dry, the water vapor evaporates quickly and the jet's contrail will be short in length and short in duration - or might not form at all.
2: If the upper air is relatively moist, the contrails will not easily evaporate (actually sublimate since contrails quickly freeze) and can easily extend for hundreds of miles.
3: Upper winds which often exceed 100 knots can spread contrails and create the look of cirrus clouds.]
4: You said "Skies at 30k feet dont change that much. The air doesnt change much at that alt." I have no idea why you would make that definite statement or why you would believe that. It is categorically false. The ride at altitude is usually smooth but can also be dangerously rough. You might see a jet climbing to altitude where it briefly leaves a visible contrail that appears and disappear. That jet likely climbed through a relatively moist layer of upper air.
You said "Why try so hard to discredit?" Discredit what? or who? You? This phenomenon was observed and proven long before you or I was even born. Maybe you might want to ask yourself how something that has existed since airplanes started to fly high, has only recently (realtively) become the source of such suspicion.
You guys tried to discredit this airforce whistle blower and say the Florida law is just to give the conspiracy guys some assurance... So there's that. I look up in the sky right now over Orlando and there isnt a cloud nor contrail in the sky. Does that mean no planes are flying at all today? Its 30 degrees outside therefore any plane flying should leave a large contrail at 30k given the temps. Secondly, there are contrails that dissipate a mile or less behind some planes, and in the same sky, a plane with a trail for 70 miles +. Whats the difference? Altitude? Meh.. it shouldn't make that large of a difference. When you are that high, there isnt enough air to create such a trail naturally without it quickly dissipating as ice is heavy and drops to melt. This is not the same as evaporation and condensation that leaks from an air molecule as it shrinks to produce clouds.
Also, explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect what so ever?
Btw, I've been recording many pictures of contrails, what I posted are just a couple of examples.
This is what a natural contrail looks like as I took this picture as im typing. So id love to see the real scientific understanding of why today, at 30 degrees outside, a longer contrail isnt forming?
Btw, science was my best subject and I got an A in Weather and Climate with a lab on top of taking major level biology with the hardest teacher ever. So I do know a little bit about science. Weather and Climate was one of my all time favorite classes.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z30F6Vz/20260127-120548.jpg)
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: AKIron on January 27, 2026, 11:21:34 AM
I have no dog in this fight. Would our government be a participant in spreading disease/famine for profit/control? Maybe. But contrails are affected by so many factors like altitude, humidity, speed, weight, shape of the plane, etc... I certainly do not expect consistency in the contrails. It's a matter of motive for me and I think there are easier ways to manipulate/exploit us like creating a virus and then "vaccine".
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 27, 2026, 11:45:17 AM
You guys tried to discredit this airforce whistle blower and say the Florida law is just to give the conspiracy guys some assurance... So there's that. I look up in the sky right now over Orlando and there isnt a cloud nor contrail in the sky. Does that mean no planes are flying at all today? Its 30 degrees outside therefore any plane flying should leave a large contrail at 30k given the temps. Secondly, there are contrails that dissipate a mile or less behind some planes, and in the same sky, a plane with a trail for 70 miles +. Whats the difference? Altitude? Meh.. it shouldn't make that large of a difference. When you are that high, there isnt enough air to create such a trail naturally without it quickly dissipating as ice is heavy and drops to melt. This is not the same as evaporation and condensation that leaks from an air molecule as it shrinks to produce clouds.
Also, explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect what so ever?
Btw, I've been recording many pictures of contrails, what I posted are just a couple of examples.
This is what a natural contrail looks like as I took this picture as im typing. So id love to see the real scientific understanding of why today, at 30 degrees outside, a longer contrail isnt forming?
Btw, science was my best subject and I got an A in Weather and Climate with a lab on top of taking major level biology with the hardest teacher ever. So I do know a little bit about science. Weather and Climate was one of my all time favorite classes.
(https://i.ibb.co/Z30F6Vz/20260127-120548.jpg)
I'm sorry. I cannot discuss this with you anymore. Maybe it's me but you seem to make definite statements that make no sense to me. I'm happy for you that you got A's in school. (university level?)
But the science (I realize that's not a trustworthy source) is out there in countless aviation related meteorology publications. Research them or don't... maybe conspiracies are more fun.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Spikes on January 27, 2026, 12:09:04 PM
Now I don't believe we can change climates. Climates are mostly related to how the sun impacts the earth vs water precipitation in that area. Its a great case actually for why it makes more sense that the earth is a globe
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 27, 2026, 04:31:20 PM
Now I don't believe we can change climates. Climates are mostly related to how the sun impacts the earth vs water precipitation in that area. Its a great case actually for why it makes more sense that the earth is a globe
The problem is, this group of Qanon types conflate half-truths with si-fi. The core suggestion of this convo is left field.
Makes sense?
I don’t think reality matters. I yhink its more addiction to controversial debates. Kinda like some junkies aren’t addicted to the drug as much as they are the needle itself going in
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 27, 2026, 08:54:12 PM
Here's another one i took today. 51 degrees around 5:50. So again, all you who "understand science" please tell me why the trail isnt 70 miles long and spreading out?
(https://i.ibb.co/YTX0qbs1/20260127-180711.jpg)
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: The Fugitive on January 27, 2026, 09:08:44 PM
Here's another one i took today. 51 degrees around 5:50. So again, all you who "understand science" please tell me why the trail isnt 70 miles long and spreading out?
(https://i.ibb.co/YTX0qbs1/20260127-180711.jpg)
Whats the air temp at the altitude of the plane?
Whats the speed of the plane?
Whats the water content of the air at the altitude of the plane?
This is where the science comes in.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 27, 2026, 09:45:50 PM
Whats the water content of the air at the altitude of the plane?
This is where the science comes in.
Exactly. It is obvious from his photo that the air is relatively dry at that jet's altitude.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 28, 2026, 05:22:29 AM
Its easy to say the word science, while not even understanding it. Yalls post proves that.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Eagler on January 28, 2026, 07:00:15 AM
It's the invisible trails that are the ones we need to worry about... :noid
The visible ones are only a concern if they cross over each other and form the deadly "X" in the sky..you don’t want to be under the X... :banana: :banana: :banana:
:cheers:
Eagler
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Spikes on January 28, 2026, 07:19:50 AM
Its easy to say the word science, while not even understanding it. Yalls post proves that.
:confused:
You are trying to compare air temperature at ground level as opposed to at 40,000ft where it is: 1. Much, much colder and 2. Much, much more consistent
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 28, 2026, 08:11:21 AM
I was not trying to compare. I was showing that its cold at ground level, therefore way above freezing at that altitude. Humidity makes no difference because there is none at that alt. Temperatures are always well below freezing at that alt. Speed of the plane doesnt matter. If conditions are always consistent at that alt. Than so would all the contrails. They'd be exactly similar to the natural contrails of the pictures I took yesterday.
Its like shooting smoke out of the back of a biplane performing sky art. It doesn't matter what the conditions are, the smoke still shoots out and allows you enough smoke to draw pictures in the sky regardless of temp, humidity, speed, alt ect.
You guys are trying to compare contrails to clouds and that is simply a misconception.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: LilMak on January 28, 2026, 09:27:37 AM
Water vapor is always present in the atmosphere. Even at 30k when it’s cold on the ground. The temperature it condensates and how long it lasts is based on atmospheric conditions.
Google WWII contrails. They weren’t loading up formations with extra chemicals when every pound was needed for fuel, ammo, and bombs.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 28, 2026, 09:38:34 AM
Water vapor is always present in the atmosphere. Even at 30k when it’s cold on the ground. The temperature it condensates and how long it lasts is based on atmospheric conditions.
Google WWII contrails. They weren’t loading up formations with extra chemicals when every pound was needed for fuel, ammo, and bombs.
I must have missed the post where someone said during WW2.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: LilMak on January 28, 2026, 09:57:07 AM
I must have missed the post where someone said during WW2.
Fair. My point was contrails date back well beyond the conspiracy that planes are leaching out mind control substances or whatever the soup of the day is. There was also an implied idea that length of contrails is connected to whether it’s chemicals or condensation.
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Post by: The Fugitive on January 28, 2026, 09:58:50 AM
I was not trying to compare. I was showing that its cold at ground level, therefore way above freezing at that altitude. Humidity makes no difference because there is none at that alt. Temperatures are always well below freezing at that alt. Speed of the plane doesnt matter. If conditions are always consistent at that alt. Than so would all the contrails. They'd be exactly similar to the natural contrails of the pictures I took yesterday.
Its like shooting smoke out of the back of a biplane performing sky art. It doesn't matter what the conditions are, the smoke still shoots out and allows you enough smoke to draw pictures in the sky regardless of temp, humidity, speed, alt ect.
You guys are trying to compare contrails to clouds and that is simply a misconception.
Smoke is created by adding oil to the exhaust, more oil, more smoke. It is nothing like a vapor trail.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on January 28, 2026, 10:23:59 AM
I think the white contrails are dumping of confiscated cocaine <nods>
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Post by: Animl-AW on January 28, 2026, 10:41:20 AM
Seriously. Most these post are by conspiracy theorists who take a small half-truth from sime self describe ”specialist” video and completely ignore science, physics and common logic and Dr shopping to fill in the blanks they know nothing about. Then to save face when proven wrong they hold onto it with white knuckle death grip until they find one single person who agrees and that validates everything. They will never admit they are wrong because that kills the controversial debate addiction.
Even if they are a member of military, doctor, scientist, doesn’t mean they are automatically honest ir mentally stable. We gad a 4 star general boast Qanon delirium.
I must be bored to spend 1 min in this. Anyone with the slightest cinnection to aviation understands the below.
Contrails, short for "condensation trails," are line-shaped clouds of ice crystals formed by aircraft engine exhaust or changes in air pressure at high altitudes, usually above 25,000 feet. They occur when hot, moist jet exhaust meets cold, ambient air causing water vapor to freeze around soot particles.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: icepac on January 28, 2026, 11:00:49 AM
Water is a product of the combustion of hydrocarbons.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on January 28, 2026, 11:31:53 AM
Fair. My point was contrails date back well beyond the conspiracy that planes are leaching out mind control substances or whatever the soup of the day is. There was also an implied idea that length of contrails is connected to whether it’s chemicals or condensation.
The "conspiracy" if you cared to watch the whistle blower interview I posted. Is leaking of fine heavy metals to A, reflect the sun, and B, a good way to discard of the metal waste. Forest are seeing much higher levels of heavy metals as well in the soil which are making forest fires far worse and deadly.
Nevada and Oregon are much dryer atmospheres than Florida and all get similar types of trails regardless of air density or water vapor in the atmosphere where its is very small at those alts if any, anyway. Water does not go higher than the condensation point once the air molecule shrinks to release the water. Thats why when you are in a jet, you are usually flying above the clouds.
Also, no one answered my questions. Explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect on the atmosphere what so ever?
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on January 28, 2026, 11:43:42 AM
The "conspiracy" if you cared to watch the whistle blower interview I posted. Is leaking of fine heavy metals to A, reflect the sun, and B, a good way to discard of the metal waste. Forest are seeing much higher levels of heavy metals as well in the soil which are making forest fires far worse and deadly.
Nevada and Oregon are much dryer atmospheres than Florida and all get similar types of trails regardless of air density or water vapor in the atmosphere where its is very small at those alts if any, anyway. Water does not go higher than the condensation point once the air molecule shrinks to release the water. Thats why when you are in a jet, you are usually flying above the clouds.
Also, no one answered my questions. Explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect on the atmosphere what so ever?
You ignore every fact put to you. Whats the point?
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Post by: DmonSlyr on January 28, 2026, 12:31:04 PM
You ignore every fact put to you. Whats the point?
With all due respect. No one has provided any "facts" other than me by providing atleast 3 sources plus my own observations from 2 different states. You are the one choosing to take their side because it fits your perceived safe space understanding. Then youll turn around and say how real global warming is even though its 1000x more complex because it suits your safe space understanding.
Btw, I read almost every single Q post as I was following it in real time as they were being posted. Did you read every post or are you just making generalizations to suit your perceptions because thats what people tell you to think?
This is my issue with you guys. You disregard anything that doesnt suit your understanding and write everything off and then make falacy ad hominin claims about paranoia and Q anon crazies without proving any back up claims.
Again I ask you, Explain my picture of Portland that I took myself out of my car window after a full day of contrail spraying. Are you saying thats just natural? Are you saying that these contrail have no impact on the airspace and that my picture doesn't infact prove that these contrails have any effect on the atmosphere what so ever?
So IMO, you guys are falsely claiming that motor car emissions are creating global warming, then saying that it certainly isnt proven documents that show weather manipulation and sun screening with heavy metals that would in effect try to cool the earth. So is this what you guys are hiding? You dont want it to come out because you think these aerosol spraying are causing global cooling to offset your global warming conspiracy?
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 28, 2026, 12:39:26 PM
Listen people.. lol
I am not arguing the fact or science behind the vapors given off from airplane engines, especially at altitude, in terms of being visible.
That DOES NOT mean that these planes are NOT spraying particles into the atmosphere at the same time.
You have hundreds of hours in a plane?? Cool, I'm actually pretty jealous. It doesn't mean jack though when we are talking about the fact people have come forward about things being distributed from aircraft at altitude.
FFS nobody is arguing the vapor trail behind the aircraft....
Well, maybe Violator is.
If you think for a second your government, red, blue, or pink... wouldn't test toejam like this out because it might "harm" you.. you are high.
Not to mention it doesn't even need to be dropped over your head. The jet stream would be a nice delivery truck.
Between the video Violator posted, and the latest one with Tucker Carlson.. there are some strong facts in there that cant be overlooked..
What it is, what it's intent is... Who knows.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: JimmyD3 on January 28, 2026, 01:03:17 PM
Don't sweat the small stuff, NO ONE is getting out of here alive. Your/my last day is already set, just make sure your ready for it. :D
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: icepac on January 28, 2026, 01:47:40 PM
Do I really need to post the picture (again) of London skies during the Battle of Britain full of contrails going every which way.
I’ve worked on all manner of aero planes and engines…..and I have yet to see any hardware that could disperse chemicals.
Did the conspiracy theorists forget that thousands of A&P mechanics work on these planes on a regular basis.
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Post by: Meatwad on January 28, 2026, 02:03:54 PM
Do I really need to post the picture (again) of London skies during the Battle of Britain full of contrails going every which way.
I’ve worked on all manner of aero planes and engines…..and I have yet to see any hardware that could disperse chemicals.
Did the conspiracy theorists forget that thousands of A&P mechanics work on the on a regular basis.
They will just say that they were hitlers chemtrails over Britain
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: LilMak on January 28, 2026, 02:39:17 PM
OK. Couple things.
First, why would contrails linger sometimes and not others? The simplest answer to that question is the same reason there are cloudy days and clear days. Sometimes the atmosphere is just right for it. It is science. It’s provable. Perfect for a quick google search.
Second, why do some planes leave contrails in the same area and others do not? So you saw ten planes flying overhead. One is leaving contrails for a long or short period of time while others aren’t leaving any. The simplest answer for this is that singular plane was climbing or descending or cruising through an area that was conducive to producing contrails. Wile nine of those planes were at different altitudes just cruising where the contrails dispersed instantly.
Some aircraft DO release “heavy metals” specifically piston powered aircraft add lead to their fuel. Jet fuel, however, does not have that additive. Aircraft DO leave particles in their wake because they’re burning fuel and they certainly don’t have emissions control devices.
I’ve been in the aviation industry for 30 years and seen no evidence of this conspiracy.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 28, 2026, 04:45:39 PM
This has become laughable. You guys worry about the water vapor a jet engine produces. Why not get PO'd about the CO2? Jet fuel produces about 21.1 lbs of CO2 per gallon. With a burn rate of roughly 3,600 gallons per hour, a 747 emits approximately 76,000 lbs of CO2 per hour of flight Want to get into the CO now? (carbon monoxide for Violator)
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 28, 2026, 04:49:00 PM
So aluminum is part of the composition of the airplane exhaust?
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Post by: DmonSlyr on January 28, 2026, 04:51:56 PM
Here's evidence by the leaders at Davos discussing how they use geoengineering. Also about 9 minutes in a leaked lecture in 2005 on how they use flues and viruses to destroy your spiritual gene. It looks like my hypothesis was correct that you guys dont want to admit it because they are doing this to purposely block the sun.
Are you saying these people are lying in this video?
So, all I keep hearing is the word "science" from you guys without actually providing any scientific understanding behind your claims. A minor fallacy in your arguments.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on January 28, 2026, 04:53:40 PM
Again, nobody is arguing the fact airplane engines leave exhaust..
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 28, 2026, 06:00:07 PM
Here's evidence by the leaders at Davos discussing how they use geoengineering. Also about 9 minutes in a leaked lecture in 2005 on how they use flues and viruses to destroy your spiritual gene. It looks like my hypothesis was correct that you guys dont want to admit it because they are doing this to purposely block the sun.
Are you saying these people are lying in this video?
So, all I keep hearing is the word "science" from you guys without actually providing any scientific understanding behind your claims. A minor fallacy in your arguments.
We certainly appreciate you for sharing all these Pulitzer Prize winning sources of informative news.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: RUSH1 on January 28, 2026, 11:53:14 PM
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Post by: Bolt on January 29, 2026, 07:16:34 AM
Anyone paying attention to whats coming to the east coast this weekend? Stay warm, stay safe. It's all very unusual.
Keep praying and allow God's plan to unfold...no matter what anyone is doing, or rather (thinks) they are doing...the Lord is the cause of all causes, and will always only do what is best for his devotees.
Come together, love each other...dont forget we're all brothers and sisters, like it or not. Let the villains perish from their own doing, all we need is to keep the faith that He has our back...and all sides for that matter.
I dont mean to HAARP, but you guys get awful mean to each other, when each other is all we got :cheers: :salute
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 29, 2026, 10:37:26 AM
We certainly appreciate you for sharing all these Pulitzer Prize winning sources of informative news.
Do you deny the meeting with the C - I - A or are you just a clown too?
So would anyone like to scientifically tell me why Orlando doesnt have streaks across the sky, but Valdosta, GA, which is less than 200 miles, has streaks across the sky on the same day? This is only a few of them as I couldn't take a pic fast enough on the Snapchat.
Do you deny the meeting with the C - I - A or are you just a clown too?
So would anyone like to scientifically tell me why Orlando doesnt have streaks across the sky, but Valdosta, GA, which is less than 200 miles, has streaks across the sky on the same day? This is only a few of them as I couldn't take a pic fast enough on the Snapchat.
I explained it simply earlier in this thread but it clearly didn’t sink in. The scientific explanation is you have a fundamental misunderstanding of weather and air masses. Let me help you visualize it in the simplest terms I can lay out…
Buy a lava lamp. Plug it in. Watch the bubbles. Imagine tiny planes the size of fleas flying through it in straight lines from different directions. Sometimes they’re in the bubbles. Sometimes they aren’t. Some bubbles are big and some are small. They’re always moving.
Now imagine the entire sky around the entire planet (provided you don’t need evidence it’s round) is that lava lamp but you can’t actually see the bubbles because the bubbles aren’t different colors. They’re different temperatures. They move horizontally and vertically. Sometimes at the same time. And since your eyes can’t see variations in temperature, pressure, as well humidity, you don’t know where the bubbles are. Also air doesn’t pay any attention to state lines or altitude restrictions. Sometimes your local weather person will describe these bubbles as “highs”, “lows”, “troughs”, “inversions”, and even “bubbles”.
These bubbles (scientifically) will have an effect on how long, how high, and how visible contrails are. It’s dynamic the same way it can be raining at your house and clear at work. In conclusion, you can read the science if you like. But I’m not going to re-write meteorology books for you on a message board because you just want confirmation bias that planes are evil denizens of the deep state put in the sky solely to make you a drooling zombie.
Now. Is it possible or even likely that the occasional aircraft is doing something extra? Perhaps. But 99.999 percent of the contrails you or anyone else sees is exactly what it is. Condensation trails or contrails for short. The explanation is in the name.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: TyFoo on January 29, 2026, 03:02:14 PM
I only deny the veracity of any of the self proclaimed facts you regurgitate.
I for one am glad that these Government shenanigans are being brought to light. Just look at the facts. You GO!
When "one" disgruntled Enlisted Airforce Airmen who obviously spent her high school career studying "chemicals" speaks out, we should be alarmed. Cuz everybody that Enlist in the Military is always happy. Also, pay no mind that she wasnt an Engineer at the time, but worked in a Department of Engineering as a Technician, a self admitted OSHA "like" inspector or in other words a Safety person in the Military. Come on, get on board.
Why give credit to the people in here that have spent a lifetime working & wrenching on aircraft? Let alone consider the experience of those that spent tens of 1000's of hours operating at high altitude. What could they possibly know when compared to a knowledgable keen observer sitting on the ground?
West coast states obviously have a dry atmosphere pffft, Florida more wet. Got it. There is no way a small body of water located to the left of the West Coast of the United States called the "Pacific Ocean" could be the source of another fake phenomenon called evaporation allowing water vapor to rise 1000s of feet into the air to form clouds even when its only 51 degrees outside. What kind of hooey are they trying plant in our heads?
Humidity in the Atmosphere Fact or Fiction. Exposed by an "A" student in "Weather & Climate" with the hardest teacher. The Ace in the hole, the smoking gun. The one credential that trumps everybody else's education and experience with regard to humidity. We now see the error of our ways and I am sure we all regret missing that class. Thank you for your service.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 29, 2026, 03:08:53 PM
I explained it simply earlier in this thread but it clearly didn’t sink in. The scientific explanation is you have a fundamental misunderstanding of weather and air masses. Let me help you visualize it in the simplest terms I can lay out…
Buy a lava lamp. Plug it in. Watch the bubbles. Imagine tiny planes the size of fleas flying through it in straight lines from different directions. Sometimes they’re in the bubbles. Sometimes they aren’t. Some bubbles are big and some are small. They’re always moving.
Now imagine the entire sky around the entire planet (provided you don’t need evidence it’s round) is that lava lamp but you can’t actually see the bubbles because the bubbles aren’t different colors. They’re different temperatures. They move horizontally and vertically. Sometimes at the same time. And since your eyes can’t see variations in temperature, pressure, as well humidity, you don’t know where the bubbles are. Also air doesn’t pay any attention to state lines or altitude restrictions. Sometimes your local weather person will describe these bubbles as “highs”, “lows”, “troughs”, “inversions”, and even “bubbles”.
These bubbles (scientifically) will have an effect on how long, how high, and how visible contrails are. It’s dynamic the same way it can be raining at your house and clear at work. In conclusion, you can read the science if you like. But I’m not going to re-write meteorology books for you on a message board because you just want confirmation bias that planes are evil denizens of the deep state put in the sky solely to make you a drooling zombie.
Now. Is it possible or even likely that the occasional aircraft is doing something extra? Perhaps. But 99.999 percent of the contrails you or anyone else sees is exactly what it is. Condensation trails or contrails for short. The explanation is in the name.
I dont agree with your analysis. Your misconception is that contrails are the same as clouds and that is simply not true. Humidity has no effect at that alt. We see these trails in the driest cities too. There is literally extremely low air density at that alt, and there are no air molecules that have water vapor in them at that alt. Hence why you fly above the clouds in a plane.
No one has answered my question about that picture of Portland. No one wants to acknowledge the Davos confessions.
Again, this is what a real contrail looks like. Notice how its not expanding in the sky?
This may actually be Airforce 1 too that I just took today.
(https://i.ibb.co/Myd8qMhJ/20260129-154616.jpg)
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 29, 2026, 04:44:02 PM
Your misconception is that contrails are the same as clouds and that is simply not true. Humidity has no effect at that alt.
(https://i.ibb.co/Myd8qMhJ/20260129-154616.jpg)
You continue to make definite statements that are categorically wrong. So the new debate should be: 1: You're just being argumentative for it's own sake. 2: You live on a different planet from the rest of us. 3: You refuse to read any of the real texts and publications on aviation meteorology. 4: Or, you are simply stupid.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Meatwad on January 29, 2026, 05:51:59 PM
So would anyone like to scientifically tell me why Orlando doesnt have streaks across the sky, but Valdosta, GA, which is less than 200 miles, has streaks across the sky on the same day? This is only a few of them as I couldn't take a pic fast enough on the Snapchat.
Because you have absolutely no freaking idea how the weather and clouds work at high altitudes
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 29, 2026, 06:13:33 PM
Are you calling the Davos "leaders" liars?
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Meatwad on January 29, 2026, 07:07:09 PM
B-17's leaving condensation trails. NOT chemtrails
Those contrails in that picture are A. A different type of engine not using cleaner jet fuel, and B. Those contrails are no longer than the contrails in my picture above, you cant see how long they are but you can see them disappearing towards the back. They only seem long because the picture is taken out front from another plane.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 29, 2026, 10:06:39 PM
Those contrails in that picture are A. A different type of engine not using cleaner jet fuel, and B. Those contrails are no longer than the contrails in my picture above, you cant see how long they are but you can see them disappearing towards the back. They only seem long because the picture is taken out front from another plane.
Sounds a lot like a p*ssing contest doesn't it? My contrail is longer that yours. But he must be a great lover because there is truly no end to this PR**K.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: guncrasher on January 29, 2026, 11:04:44 PM
can somebody explain to me why violator lives in a place that has contrails if they are dangerous?
. semp
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Post by: icepac on January 30, 2026, 04:00:37 AM
Time to post this again.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: LilMak on January 30, 2026, 10:08:40 AM
The cool thing about science is it doesn’t care whether you agree and remains true whether you believe it or not.
Let me try one last time…
First off, clouds (visible moisture) can get to 60,000+ feet and cirrostratus clouds regularly form 20-40k and can sometimes look similar to contrails. Your assertion is flat out WRONG about moisture in the flight levels. Guess why I said “flight levels”? Anything 18K and above is considered the “flight levels” in aviation and it has to do with air pressure and the speed aircraft are cruising. I could get further into that but I digress. Most commercial jets cruise in the 30-40k range. Where do cirrostratus clouds (visible moisture) live again?
You keep posting random pictures as proof of your hypothesis. It’s incomplete and lazy. It’s no different than if I posted different pictures of wood campfires burning. Sometimes they have a lot of smoke. Sometimes there is very little smoke. Sometimes the smoke goes straight up. Sometimes it goes diagonal. Sometimes smoke kinda floats around and lingers. But it is all results of the same type of combustion and behave differently for the exact same reason contrails behave the way they do.
The absolute travesty here is, even if every single plane loaded up with chemtrail mind control juice on every flight (which they don’t), nothing would change. Sometimes trails would linger and sometimes they wouldn’t.
Because…weather.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: AKIron on January 30, 2026, 10:37:10 AM
It'd be much easier to just put something in the water reservoirs. If you really want mind control just infiltrate the schools.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 30, 2026, 02:30:49 PM
They were spraying today in Orlando. Clearly easy to see. Im sure it was just the weather when its exactly how it was yesterday only slightly hotter..
Notice this today, one has a stream for 50 miles. The other doesnt.
(https://i.ibb.co/27BjTd1w/20260130-112754.jpg)
Layers ans layers of streams all evenly spread out. They must be getting ready for 40 degree drop tomorrow.. (https://i.ibb.co/rK3c3M98/20260130-115332.jpg)
Its pretty funny how you guys say science "doesnt depend on your opinion to be true" but then tell your opinion on science.
You know what else doesnt need your opinion to be true?
Members of Davos telling you to your face they are doing it. C, I , A lectures that are leaked tell you they are doing it. Well maybe that wasn't supposed to get out, but it did. Oh and dont forget all the documentaries that are out there with other military whistleblowers and high level officials questioning this. I guess yall just love living in your own arrogance.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on January 30, 2026, 02:36:29 PM
This is ultra paranoia, at best. <shrug>
Flying monkeys are next
<runs>
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 30, 2026, 02:46:43 PM
But global warming isnt? I showed you a picture of Portland. No one wants to talk about it. Do you think that is good for the environment to color a sky dark like that? Amazing that the same folks who are scared about global warming are perfectly okay about 80 mile long supposedly jet fuel contrails that spread out and pollute the sky. Sure makes one wonder what the real intentions are.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Eagler on January 30, 2026, 02:57:55 PM
They were spraying today in Orlando. Clearly easy to see. Im sure it was just the weather when its exactly how it was yesterday only slightly hotter..
Notice this today, one has a stream for 50 miles. The other doesnt.
(https://i.ibb.co/27BjTd1w/20260130-112754.jpg)
Layers ans layers of streams all evenly spread out. They must be getting ready for 40 degree drop tomorrow.. (https://i.ibb.co/rK3c3M98/20260130-115332.jpg)
Its pretty funny how you guys say science "doesnt depend on your opinion to be true" but then tell your opinion on science.
You know what else doesnt need your opinion to be true?
Members of Davos telling you to your face they are doing it. C, I , A lectures that are leaked tell you they are doing it. Well maybe that wasn't supposed to get out, but it did. Oh and dont forget all the documentaries that are out there with other military whistleblowers and high level officials questioning this. I guess yall just love living in your own arrogance.
And what exactly did you think they were spraying over Orlando today...liberal blue juice, one drop and you hate ice..
Who is doing the spraying of what and how is it loaded into the commercial airlines that are unknowingly spraying this whatever you think it is...or are the airlines in on it too..
Like faking a freaking moon landing, some conspiracies would be way too big for some dip wad to not to spill the beans...with undeniable evidence for fame and glory, likes and friends...
Gotta pick your crazy and this ain't it imo...
Eagler
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: LilMak on January 30, 2026, 03:27:50 PM
Violator. The amount of willful ignorance coming from you implies you’re either going to die on this hill or you’re just trolling. I’m going to go with trolling since I’ve seen you’ve put together coherent thoughts on these boards in the past.
Either way I’m done trying to explain phenomena that has been witnessed since 1920s, studied, and widely documented pictorially since the 1940s and beyond. I’m going to leave you with one last link to follow to the Imperial War Museum from the Battle of Britain. According to your logic, this clearly proves chemtrails were used as a weapon in Great Britain. https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205194290 (https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205194290)
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on January 30, 2026, 04:27:36 PM
Those contrails in that picture are A. A different type of engine not using cleaner jet fuel, and B. Those contrails are no longer than the contrails in my picture above, you cant see how long they are but you can see them disappearing towards the back. They only seem long because the picture is taken out front from another plane.
Look at the trails from the fighters on top cover. Those are definitely long.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on February 02, 2026, 08:47:00 PM
Look at the trails from the fighters on top cover. Those are definitely long.
Nah, no longer than usual contrails, you can see them start to dissappear, different engines and smoke in the atmosphere there though. Its the angle of the picture and being near the same alt that makes them seem long.
Btw, humidity literally doesnt matter. If you are above the clouds when flying, you are above the condensation point and there is very little humidity as it would be ice and sink until it melts and condensates, interesting enough I didnt see any long trails of the super cold Saturday with tons of clouds in the sky, nor did I see them the next day on a super cold cloudless day. Only saw them the day before the super cold cloudy day. Just a point to note.
You guys can think what you want to assure yourselves. But I certainly don't think retired airforce and others would make documentaries about this if there wasnt something to it. I certainly think there are SAP programs happening. I go with the "why wouldn't they approach." And simply observe with my own eyes what is happening in the sky. No one still wants to answer my questions about that picture of Portland because they know it aint right.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Meatwad on February 02, 2026, 09:17:58 PM
Its because it is atmospheric haze, a common cloud occurrence.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on February 02, 2026, 10:54:34 PM
Nah, no longer than usual contrails, you can see them start to dissappear, different engines and smoke in the atmosphere there though. Its the angle of the picture and being near the same alt that makes them seem long.
Btw, humidity literally doesnt matter. If you are above the clouds when flying, you are above the condensation point and there is very little humidity as it would be ice and sink until it melts and condensates, interesting enough I didnt see any long trails of the super cold Saturday with tons of clouds in the sky, nor did I see them the next day on a super cold cloudless day. Only saw them the day before the super cold cloudy day. Just a point to note.
You guys can think what you want to assure yourselves. But I certainly don't think retired airforce and others would make documentaries about this if there wasnt something to it. I certainly think there are SAP programs happening. I go with the "why wouldn't they approach." And simply observe with my own eyes what is happening in the sky. No one still wants to answer my questions about that picture of Portland because they know it aint right.
Again, there are plenty of former military who aren't right in the brain. Again, we had a 4 Star General join and run Qanon. People think that just because they were part of an elite group they are automatic kosher. You have some selling military secretes in espionage. 1% outlaw bike clubs are magnets for former military. What's the proof that he is who he says he is, because it's on YT? Nothing is verified. Contrails have been happening since planes could fly that high. People are making MILLIONS off inventing conspiracy theories. If that channel gets over 2000 subs you start making money on YT. Sensation sells, truth is boring. These guys are quacks, period. I don't care if he was God, he's lying his ars off, or he is mental, take your pick. Ever watch a fighter jets hit certain alts and con trails come off the wing tips and swirl around the engines?
I could make a video that I wrote the Beatles songs, someone is going to watch and believe me, conspiracy theorist will be all over it, I can make money off that crap. You think I would stop inventing crap if I was making money off it?
National Enquirer and Infomercials lasted because conspiracy theorist ate that crap up by the shovel load. Entertainment mags that sell in grocery stores, they make millions off total nonsense.
You're a good guy, get away from that crap. :)
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 03, 2026, 07:18:18 AM
All of the attempts to discredit just make it more real for me. You cannot deny Operation Popeye. You cannot deny HAARP, and you cannot deny cloud seeding any more. Just like Q. Flynn was not Q btw, but perhaps is in the know since he worked in intellegence. Q was a group of military generals and a couple guys in the cabinet like San Scavino, one doesn't simply post to same second of the day as the president on multiple occasions if they arent corridinated. Theres your sign. ;)
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on February 03, 2026, 10:41:24 AM
All of the attempts to discredit just make it more real for me. You cannot deny Operation Popeye. You cannot deny HAARP, and you cannot deny cloud seeding any more. Just like Q. Flynn was not Q btw, but perhaps is in the know since he worked in intellegence. Q was a group of military generals and a couple guys in the cabinet like San Scavino, one doesn't simply post to same second of the day as the president on multiple occasions if they arent corridinated. Theres your sign. ;)
Flynn was absolutely in Q din’t make me break bandwidth proving it.
You ignore reality at all cost. This is cult crap. Mwhy have s convo with peeps who refuse to listen.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Eagler on February 03, 2026, 02:15:55 PM
Flynn was absolutely in Q din’t make me break bandwidth proving it.
You ignore reality at all cost. This is cult crap. Mwhy have s convo with peeps who refuse to listen.
So what..he can believe what he wants to...seems everything is on the table as far as ones belief system goes...yours is definitely suspect to me as mine are to you.. lol :banana: :banana: :banana:
You make something outstanding nothing every chance you get...calling others names/ cutting them down..
It's about atmospheric conditions not about what team you are on..everyone doesn't have to agree on everything...or else..give it a break..
Eagler
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on February 03, 2026, 04:46:30 PM
This does lead to another troubling topic though. Has anyone had a family member or friend sink into the depths of a cult?
My niece who lives on the other side of the country has her dad quite worried. She denies any and all science including medicine (and for her that includes Doctors and Dentists for her two children). They do not go to school.
I have no idea how she or any person gets trapped by this kind of misinformation but it does worry me for her dad.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 03, 2026, 05:23:03 PM
When the same guys with TDS all try so hard to discredit, label, project, and name call, you know right away theres something to the conspiracy. :aok
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Busher on February 03, 2026, 06:46:57 PM
So what..he can believe what he wants to...seems everything is on the table as far as ones belief system goes...yours is definitely suspect to me as mine are to you.. lol :banana: :banana: :banana:
You make something outstanding nothing every chance you get...calling others names/ cutting them down..
It's about atmospheric conditions not about what team you are on..everyone doesn't have to agree on everything...or else..give it a break..
Eagler
Oh I'm sure I'm not alone trying to deal with you guys baseless conspiracy theories. You want to converse about them but refuse to listen to ANYTHING.
TDS? common logic and science have nothing to do with TDS. That's on YOU. That's your excuse to stay in denial and not listen to one single damn word.
Whateva, glad it ain't me
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Eagler on February 04, 2026, 06:58:13 AM
But it is you...
And it is me...it is all of us manipulated to fight each other instead of the manipulation...
Enjoy your day a Animl-AW...I know I will :cheers:
Eagler
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: icepac on February 04, 2026, 07:51:29 AM
How about a conspiracy theory that, if found to be true, would mire down the courts in lawsuits from every person's family to died of cancer.
SV-40
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on February 04, 2026, 08:02:00 AM
Well, here’s da thing with this kinda stuff When one brings an issue to the table for a conversation, and people give intelligent input to teach and one keeps recycling as if the convo never happened, words were never spoken, this kind of denial irritates and annoys people. One talks but does not listen. Why waste time in convo if one refuses it existed. Or if facts are delivered makes them dig deeper and we’re all in on some coverup, is a red flag
TDS? That waste of a human doesn’t even have to exist to know this is an insult to intelligence.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Eagler on February 04, 2026, 08:24:00 AM
No hope for you it seems..
Enjoy yourself in your grumpy world of hate and delusional belief that you are right so everything else is wrong..
Eagler
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 04, 2026, 08:27:13 AM
Dont get mad when get called a TDS clown after saying people are in a cult of which you and your "intelligence" made up and labeled concerned citizens reading information, especially since you didnt even read it. Especially given your incorrect understanding of science and just about everything else... your clowns dug this hole and now yall are lieing in it, desperately hoping no one actually reads the Q posts, hoping no one actually digs into all of the frauds perpetuated on American citizens. Yalls problem is you think you are "teaching" but really just pushing your propaganda in hopes people dont educate themselves on all the bull crap being perpetuated on American Citizens by your so called "intelligence". Youll never understand why yall lost 3 branches of government. Youll never acknowledge anything that they did no matter how many operations I put in your faces. Covid was a bioweapon and you wonder why people dont like yall? This is why your intelligence apparatus is failing. All you have are loser low life dirty scum protestors who couldnt even pass a science class. "Intellegence" allowed Epstein to happen for 70 years while your intelligence said it was all a conspiracy theory. Now that most smart Americans have access to media and internet and your clowns cant stop it, all you can do is label people in a desperate attempt to discredit. News flash its not working anymore. As far as im concerned "intelligence" is a fraud on the American people and they are going to get whats coming thanks to Q and the epstein file release." I work on behalf of the Rothschilds" - Epstein
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Animl-AW on February 04, 2026, 09:03:28 AM
I refuse to read text from people who refuse to listen. It waste my time.
Your insult that I/We suffer from TDS,… what do you call someone on your side of the fence who contradict you with proven facts? What are they?
People become who they hang with the most. I will not willfully subject myself to become a conspiracy theorist. No, I will not submit to it.
You do you, I’ll do me. I’ll stick to proven reality.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Banshee7 on February 04, 2026, 02:24:41 PM
Well, I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments and seeing where you guys stand on this issue. I believe this thread has run its course. :salute
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: Lazerr on February 04, 2026, 05:58:38 PM
My generation seriously messed up raising you whacks
Yeah it messed up big time. Espcially when it allowed the worse drugs known to mankind to rain on my generation ruining millions of lives and families, murdering 100s of thousands of teens, and imprisoning even more because they couldnt fight the addiction.
Now your satanic cabal establishment and its little clown minions fighting desperately to keep your brainwashed mainatream status quo, are going to pay for that. People like me whose family faught in almost every war since 1940, who taught us the dangers of filthy communism and the dangers of the loser democrat mentality are going to end your manipulation propaganda drug induced murder on Americans.
Weve had the most access to the internet than any other generation. The age information will become the age of understanding, and there is nothing your little establishment butlicking clowns are gonna do about it.
Title: Re: Revisiting an old topic
Post by: AKIron on February 05, 2026, 08:40:16 AM
As the official spokesperson for Boomers I apologize for feminism.