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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dnil on May 24, 2000, 08:15:00 PM
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Finally done with this cya guys.
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Dnil
JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
[This message has been edited by Dnil (edited 05-24-2000).]
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Berserkr
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sorry to see you go dnil (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Enjoyed our time in the 902nd Dnil!
Salute
Yeager
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HUH?!?!
Udie
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Gee, how lame.
1) Why do you think we care?
2) Why do you have to post "cya" like it's some dramatic moment ?
It may be the end of your "fun", but the rest of us are just starting to really have fun.
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Cyas dnil....used to fight ya in wb's....under a diff handle (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sorry your goin...hope all is well
Take Care
Rude Out!
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Originally posted by HaHa:
Gee, how lame.
1) Why do you think we care?
2) Why do you have to post "cya" like it's some dramatic moment ?
It may be the end of your "fun", but the rest of us are just starting to really have fun.
HA HA-when you leave friends behind do you tell them goodbye,or just walk out the door?
Contrary to what you think, a lot of people "care" when someone leaves-especially when it`s someone whos been around for a long time.
<S> Dnil,hope to see you again.
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I don't understand why you are leaving, Dnil!
I only understand that I enjoyed flying with ya! Hope to see you again soon! Take Care!
Your Squadmate,
Swager
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Swager
I/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://members.tripod.com/JG2/)
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 05-24-2000).]
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Yeah, HaHa, I kinda think that was a little strongly worded, too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Dnil, didn't get to know you, but hope you come back soon.
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Read my post on JG2 forum Dnil...I am very very sorry to see you go.
I wish and hope that you come back when things get better (they will I'm sure).
<S>. Hope to see you here again in a near future.
Haha...what Weazel said. If you dont care about him leaving then why do you answer with such an offending post?. Let him go and if you dont care, dont say a word.
There are people who feel very sorry when sees Dnil going and mind this post a lot. I am one of those people.
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Personally I read an insult in his initial post guys and that's why I responded as I did.
"Finally done with this"
i.e. they feel it isn't even worthwhile, and
was a waste of time
They started their own thread just to make this statement. They didn't say, cya guys going to miss you but I'm off to do other things. No just a simple/lame statement. Sorry but that's the way I read it.
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Bye Dnil (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Have a break and come back...
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These post always have one thing in common "JG-2"
Maybe a better way to word the post would of been"sorry guys AH ain't my thing cya"
Oh....well one leaves 20 more come in life goes on. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Well, obviously Dnil felt his own post was a bit strongly worded too. He editied out the part saying something to the effect of AH not being worth the 30 bucks... Which basically says we're suckers for wastin' our money on it. I understand the reason for posting goodbyes, and I've read a lot of good ones. Sorry, but I found this one insulting.
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Cya around Dnil! im sure well meet again somewhere in this virtual universe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Look at all the people going mental by this post lol! is it not hilarious??! lol!
Take care!
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WB : -nr-1-
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Well I think some people might be worried that things are starting to slow down because it's been a while since the last update (1 month or so). Personally I think things are speeding up - of course I would prefer smaller, faster updates but that's just me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Haha,
I do not think Dnil is leaving because of lack of updates.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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cya bud, take care
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"Happiness is a belt-fed weapon"
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What Torque said,and doesn't the JG2 have a private forum for all these heart felt rubbish S! posts?
Sheesh. You guys are like a Christian Cheerleader Camp gone Brady Bunch sappy.
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I think posts like this are lame (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
if your gonna genuinely say "goodbye" then do it.
this cya thread is just an insult. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)
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Originally posted by Creamo:
What Torque said,and doesn't the JG2 have a private forum for all these heart felt rubbish S! posts?
Sheesh. You guys are like a Christian Cheerleader Camp gone Brady Bunch sappy.
I wonder...why the only people who feel insulted uses to fly the cannonHawg?,with few exceptions (we all know citabria so I dont include him)...
Hint,hint
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"Hint,hint" - RAM
Hmm... yah...well.. uhmm... no... could be? Nah... hmm....
Ok I give up Ram. Enlighten me.
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I don't think I ever said anything degrading to anyone in a post. Basically try to explain things, due to there may be a misunderstanding.
But I have to say, "Creamo, why don't you bite me!"
Dont be slamming on JG2. That is my squadron and we, as a squadron, have done nothing wrong to you. So I suggest you settle down and think before you type!
Our squadron is made up of 30 or more people, many who enjoy flying in AH. Dnil has his reasons for leaving, and I don't question them. And you have no right to mark a squadron, in an open forum, as you did.
That is all. My apoligies to everyone for my brashness!
Have a nice day! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Swager
I/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
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JG2 "Richthofen" (http://members.tripod.com/JG2/)
[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 05-25-2000).]
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Originally posted by Swager:
That is all. My apoligies to everyone for my brashness!
Brashness? hehe...you've got to stop typing words like that swager, you're starting to sound like me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Haven't heard that one in this generation for a while.
Well said thoughts, thanks....<salute>
Dnil:
I'm going to miss seeing you fly. You were a great stick and a pilot full of boldness and brashness when banging on bad guys. You saved this Harp Seal's butt on more than one occasion. I hope you come back someday, as true on-line flight simulations need to have general talents like yours, so that that the grunts like me can strive to achieve a better standard of virtual pilot skills.
<Salute>
Badger
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Originally posted by Nash:
"Hint,hint" - RAM
Hmm... yah...well.. uhmm... no... could be? Nah... hmm....
Ok I give up Ram. Enlighten me.
That every F4U driver that answers in that rude way takes Dnil's leaving as a personal attack. They know that the plane they fly have rocket launchers instead cannons ,and they feel pissed if someone simply thinks he has played the bait enough. (Except Torque. THe damned guy would kill me in a C202 if he flew it instead the NiKi or the F4UC!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
BTW Dnil is pissed because the F4Uc (as I am, BTW)...but the reasons for him leaving are more than that. F4Uc is only a little piece of the reasons because he goes.
Creamo, I fully agree with Swager. You attack Jg2 as a squad and I wont admit that either. I think an apologize is in order.
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The JG2 intersquad communication is great, and there is a strong bond between JG2 members. Even so, it is made up by people with strong personalities.
But judging an enire squad based on what some say or do is unfair - sort of like saying "Laudrup is a great Danish soccer player, hence all Danes are great soccer players". A logical fallacy.
Deal with the person *unless* the person is expressing the sentiment of the entire squad. I hate to see Dnil go, he's a *damned* fine pilot and I've enjoyed flying with him the times that we've been in the air together.
His opinion is that the current state in MA with quakers flying cannon hogs or people just generally going on kamikaze hunt is *not* worth his $30. WTF is wrong with those who criticize him for having an opinion other than their own?
AH is worth my $30. AH has some irritating bits, but overall it's a great game.
Will this opinion piss you guys off too? or is it ok because it matches your own?
Note, just talking to the people who come down guns blazing when a fellow pilot says his goodbye and offers his opinion/explanation for why he's leaving.
Overall, I very much like this community but some few people are a few bits short of a byte.
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StSanta
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I really disappointed in a few people to take this thread as an opportunity to bash JG2.
PPIT(Torq), you've always been brash, in WB's and AH's so your comments are always taken as those of an accidental fart in a restaurant, everyone hears it, but just ignores it and holds their breathe still the stink goes away.
We all have freedom of speech,you shouldn't piss in someones Wheaties just because they like or dislike this or that.
Dnil, you're one of the finest sticks that flew in WB's and AH as well. You will be sorely missed. Goodbye and Godspeed, you're locker will always have your nametag on it if you decide to return. <S>
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Couldnt have said it better myself Santa.
<S>
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WB : -nr-1-
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dup.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 05-25-2000).]
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Quoted by StSanta "quakers flying cannon hogs".
Quoted by StSanta "sort of like saying "Laudrup is a great Danish soccer player, hence all Danes are great soccer players. A logical fallacy".
So, do I understand you to say that all who fly f4U-1c's are "quakers"?
Do you not contradict your own argument?
I'm admittedly a dweeb. May as well be, because no matter what you fly, eventually you will be categorized as one. Let's see now, I've been a spit dweeb (WB), a p-38 dweeb (WB), a 190 dweeb (WB), an f6 dweeb (WB) and now I am a quaker (AH)!
Good grief.
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Apache
The Blue Knights
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I think we can all see why JG guys need their own forum... From my experience in the last three sims it is obvious that they need their own sim.
Wait till they fix the turn model if you want to hear crying.
lazs
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Originally posted by -lazs-:
I think we can all see why JG guys need their own forum... From my experience in the last three sims it is obvious that they need their own sim.
Wait till they fix the turn model if you want to hear crying.
lazs
<Sigh...>
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And people djust keeps pouring fuel on the fire.
This is gonna get nasty.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Wow amazing in how fast a thread can change into a "my guns are bigger than yours" one..
oh wwell...
<S!> DNIL
Hope you consider and come back .. you still owe me a chance to kill ya after our last meet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Geeeeeeeeez guys take a big nasty chill pill.
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Originally posted by StSanta:
- sort of like saying "Laudrup is a great Danish soccer player, hence all Danes are great soccer players". A logical fallacy.
Well of course it's a fallacy, everyone KNOWS the Italians are the best soccer players! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cobra
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Makeing friends again torque? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Italians? Only national team I know that has 4 stars on their jerseys is - Brasil! Nobody plays like Brazil (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Cobra:
Well of course it's a fallacy, everyone KNOWS the Italians are the best soccer players! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cobra
Heh cobra...stop it. Everybody knows that the best european national team is Spain ,and the best club in the world is FC Barcelona.
So, stop it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Only thing I care about is the last time Torque and I met in AH, I torched his Hog Heinie - no ripped wings, or elevators. Explosion. BOOM. then I flew home, and landed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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I'm with you, RAM! Aside from national teams, my club is Barce!!
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Originally posted by -lazs-:
I think we can all see why JG guys need their own forum... From my experience in the last three sims it is obvious that they need their own sim.
Wait till they fix the turn model if you want to hear crying.
lazs
Lazs, I just read some of your "constructive" post on AGW board. You seem the kind of guy that only knows to throw dust everywhere. The kind of guy that **always** is right regardless of arguments, and the kind of guy that **always** has to insult someone in each of his posts.
I still dont understand why had you to put your dirty nose in this thread. Who called you?. This is a goodbye post, poisoned by some stupid people that doesnt see the difference between a bathroom and a living room...well thinking seriously, as you are one of those guys yep, THIS IS YOUR KIND OF THREAD.
Shuddup until you have something CONSTRUCTIVE to say. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Apache:
Quoted by StSanta "quakers flying cannon hogs".
Quoted by StSanta "sort of like saying "Laudrup is a great Danish soccer player, hence all Danes are great soccer players. A logical fallacy".
So, do I understand you to say that all who fly f4U-1c's are "quakers"?
Do you not contradict your own argument?
I'm admittedly a dweeb. May as well be, because no matter what you fly, eventually you will be categorized as one. Let's see now, I've been a spit dweeb (WB), a p-38 dweeb (WB), a 190 dweeb (WB), an f6 dweeb (WB) and now I am a quaker (AH)!
Good grief.
umm Apache I think you are taking personally something that it isnt.
We all know that the plane-o-dweebs is Cannonhawg, along with Spit. Why? sheer firepower. Good low speed handling. Good views.
I DID fly Cannonhawg when I was a newbie. In fact when I first met JG2 guys in a squad night, (I still wasnt on JG2), I respawned in a F4U when i was downed. (Swager do you remember it?) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So it is fair to call F4U a dweeb plane...but I am sure that Santa wasnt calling all F4U drivers QUAKERS. There is a big proportion of quaker-flyinh-type of guys flyng Cannonhawg...and there are also top-shop hotsticks on it (Pongo, COmanche and you, Indian...not to name Torque).
I dont understand Santa's post as a generalization. I think he only tried to make clear that with the current firepower, F4U1-C is a very common choice for the newbies (and I think we all agree on that).
BTW Santa...Laudrup was 6 years in FC Barcelona. It was class incarnated in a football player.
But we now have FIgo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ram, out
Fw190D9? Ta152H1? The truth is out there
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://members.tripod.com/JG2/)
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Ram, I stand corrected. Excellent clarification.
Thanks.
BTW Dnil, wish you would reconsider. If not, good luck to ya, <S>.
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Apache
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To be fair to Torque, that last time I met up with him (and RWY, and Citabria) he actually was flying as if he wanted to get home alive. I can't recall one HO from him that night. In fact, those bish were doing some fine teamwork, albeit they had alt most of the time.
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this doesnt follow the original post but I have to ask. Why does flying a F4U-1C make a person a Dweeb, unless your a toejam hot 1C flyer in which case deference is shown and honors showered? Is there some double secret standard stuff going on? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Just take up a 205 and go 1c hunting. Once you get it through your head that you cant HO them. They start droppin like flys. 205 does everything else better.
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Geez, the fur is flying. I'm gonna stay out of this.
I don't know when to shut up once I start flaming as you can see right here. (http://lists.imagiconline.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/001370.html)
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Cya dnil, hope u come back some day.
blitz
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HBLAIR, WOW! That was some thread correspondence you had with Cabby! LOL !
I think everyone in the flight sim community needs a big "Teletubbie" Hug and Kiss!
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I've flown with most of the above people, Apache is good, and fun to fly with.... been killed by torque and had fun exchange in buffer with him, Dnil was good stick and came to the defense of comrade... Lord HaHa and I had a great day in WB a million years ago.... Ram,best stick I know without a stick... Hell, I've had fun flyin with everyone.. why do we keep throwing these slurs around..... as for Hog... even I can either avoid or kill them and I suck... The better players are the ones that do most of the complaining.... I'm confused
doc
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Again, I think most want to keep the 1C and its guns, at least by poll that was the tally. I believe most want a historical arena, or RPS, where planes can be competitive within their respective time frame. I believe its an arena issue, not a specific plane issue.
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ROFLMAO HBlair!!!
man my sides hurt from laughing at that IEN bbs thread lol.
I've been known to ocasionally just keep clicking and typing till it gets into a total mudfight too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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GATT has 14 kills and has been killed 7 times in the C.205 against the F4U-1C
I think that more than half of the times it was the mighty Torque. I've been shot down by him even during a deck-turning-fight <S>
Easymo is right, if you are a decent pilot and avoid the HO you *can* win the dogfight.
Honestly, I dont like dedicated-vultures and I would like to see an RPS with planes matched historically. <S> to all my foes.
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A few snipped quotes from StSanta's post:
Quote - "His opinion is that the current state in MA with quakers flying cannon hogs or people just generally going on kamikaze hunt is *not* worth his $30. WTF is wrong with those who criticize him for having an opinion other than their own?"
The *only* "opinion" he expressed in this thread (and later edited out) was that AH wasn't worth it.
Quote - "Will this opinion piss you guys off too? or is it ok because it matches your own?"
What "opinion" are you meaning? Is "Finally done with this cya guys" an opinion?
Quote - "Note, just talking to the people who come down guns blazing when a fellow pilot says his goodbye and offers his opinion/explanation for why he's leaving."
The only explanation he gave, again, edited out, was that AH wasn't worth the money.
Now where is alla this F4U stuff coming from? Was that JG2 intra squad email your getting this from? Y'all are talking like we were supposed to know that he was pissed at this plane. I get the sense that he said some proper goodbyes to the squad - then came on the board to post some quick, abrasive 'ciao dudes'.
If not, I can tell you that if a long time squady of mine took off with just a "Finished with this, cya", there would be no <S> from me. Seems pretty damned disrespectful.
I think some of you guys must have read a different post/email than the rest of us. Excuse me for reacting to the one at hand here.
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On the subject of "Generalizations"
On one hand the members of JG2 get upset (rightfully so) when someone characterized them as whiners about the whole -1C issue.
But then many members of JG2 jump in and immediately call every Corsair pilot in the game a "Quake Dweeb".
IMO, both sides are wrong. Personally, I wish this petty tit for tat crap would just end.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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"But judging an enire squad based on what some say or do is unfair - sort of like saying "Laudrup is a great Danish soccer player, hence all Danes are great soccer players". A logical fallacy."
Nope..*all* Danes are great soccer players!..Just wait...we'll prove it next month too!
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Daff
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Nash,
The F4u stuff comes from the fact that dnil has hated that plane since the day it came out. It was the BIGGEST factor in his leaving, I'd bet. He almost quit then. And having met Dnil on several occasion and even going to his house, I can honestly say that you will never meet a better person than him or his wife.
Oh yeah, and any of you guys that have a problem with JG2, we would be more than happy to work you over, er... work out your troubles in the SEA (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Just ask Hangtime what 2 JG2 members can do to a p51 and 3 n1k's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Sux being the biggest and the baddest (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Udie
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Ram.. I havent been here long but your posts seem to be about prejudiced, one sided and , what's worse, wrong, as any I've seen. You either instigate or contribute to every whiny , crybaby "LW planes don't have a big enough advantage" thread out there. Sheesh....
I say let all the jg2 guys fly cannon Hogs for an entire tour and we will see how they do. Let's just see how much of an uber plane it is. I don't think they would do that great myself.
lazs
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Nah... I deleted it
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Stop it!
If ya'll can't argue nicely, take threads like this to AGW where it belongs.
AGW has for many years been known as the hotbed of snide, rude, insulting threads and counter-threads. If you want to beat each other over the head with insults, take it there.
Until this thread, this BB has been a good, fun place to argue and discuss things. It would be nice if we could continue to agree to disagree without all the personal attacks!
Don't make me send ya'll to the principal.
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Nah... I deleted it
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Torque.... <salute>
and no...it doesn't mean I'm going to wear the dress tonight.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Badger (edited 05-25-2000).]
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Laz, becareful what you ask for.... What country do you fly for? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
udie
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Well.... Guess i was mad and shouldn't generalize about 30 or so players by what I've read from a half dozen or so but.....
this continual wailing about a plane that is the easiest to defeat in the entire plane set is beyond belief to me. To top it off.... none of the wailers offer any kind of proof or data to support their claims. I have heard at least 6 theories put forth as to why the 1C (and only the 1C) has 4 overmodeled HS's... The theories have all been either bizzare or downright laughable and have each been disproven in turn... The latest is that the guns are too close together.... Maybe so, i don't know but judging from how accurate the other theories were I'd say.... prove it.
oodee... I'd say that if a person flew with discipline in a group of at least 3-6 in cannon Hogs he could do very well. If that person flew by himself he would be meat.
lazs
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LAZS: "None of the wailers offer any kind of proof or data to support their claims
Just for you Laz....
Let me quote Pyro:
"What you complain about is in my area of responsibility, so I'll give you my viewpoint. My interest is snot in continuously changing the game, it's in advancing it. So I don't like to knee-jerk changes in until I'm convinced it is the proper action. On issues that are not clearly bugs, this may take some time.
The downside of this is when people go off the deep end. For example, I spent yesterday afternoon going over weapons modeling in detail and turned up a few things. Good news? Well maybe in that case, but maybe not in the overall scheme of things. Why? Because once somebody goes off the deep end, any changes that come about will be perceived as a result of their action. That perception will frustrate the majority of players who feel the loudest voices are the only ones listened to and will serve to reinforce that as a means to an end. That will degrade this community and our relationship with it. Alienation is a bad thing.
LAZS:"I'd say that if a person flew with discipline in a group of at least 3-6 in cannon Hogs he could do very well. If that person flew by himself he would be meat."
Would you explain that to the 6 bombers of 8 in tight formation that were manned by competent, vet pilots, who were shot down by ONE pilot who had just signed onto AH's 2 weeks prior? (all in 1 pass a piece, most were 2 pings, and wing came off) Hmmm? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I said to my squaddies I wouldnt respond here but lasz didnt look before he spoke. check my stats, I rarely flew LW iron. Flew one tour believe it was 3 almost exclusively hog, cannon hog to be exact, check the stats. Also ask someone here if they have winged with me. My problem is just not the 1c, that just amplifies it. I have been doing this along time, it is just old. Nash your wording waaaaaaay to much into it. I said maybe one day it would be worth some cash. Thats it. Real easy to get pissy over the net huh? Again check the stats before ya spout off, flew the dweebhog to prove a point and did. hehe also check the 202 stats in tour 3, 6 to 1 i think k/d, yeeeooow.
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Dnil
JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer (http://www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer)
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I have a 2:1 K/D (8 kills vs 4 deaths)in the 1C! For me that's incredible!
Hell, I'm gona fly it more often!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Actually I like the G-10 and Spit too much! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
My advice for tangling with the 1C:
"GET THE HELL OUT OF IT'S WAY!!"
Dosen't always work, but what the hell!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Peace brother and may thy flaming hot 303's pierce your anal cavity! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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XO I/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
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[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 05-25-2000).]
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Originally posted by lazs:
Ram.. I havent been here long but your posts seem to be about prejudiced, one sided and , what's worse, wrong, as any I've seen. You either instigate or contribute to every whiny , crybaby "LW planes don't have a big enough advantage" thread out there. Sheesh....
Cc. you just proof that you didnt read even one of my posts in this board carefully. If you chech Aircraft/Vehicles forum you'll see that I am asking for the SpitXIV to come to AH along the Fw190d9. And that is only one of the examples.
But you come here ,and the only thing you do is to say nonsense and insult a hole squad. A squad that you dont know because I bet that you cant name more than 7 people in it.
So please dont come here and start to call me Whiner-LW-fanatic. I know I whine (90% time about hog turbolasers). I know I am a 190 nut. But I always try to keep my head cool. You try to put JG2's people on fire. ANd you just did it. AS I said if you have some constructive to say, tell it. If not, shuddup.
I say let all the jg2 guys fly cannon Hogs for an entire tour and we will see how they do. Let's just see how much of an uber plane it is. I don't think they would do that great myself.
lazs
Lazs if you have even flown one Fw190a8 in Aces high and you compare it with a CannonHawg then you **must** know that the F4U does EVERYTHING a Fw190A8 can do...if not better. Saving level acceleration, ANYTHING else is better done by F4U. Is the same kind of plane but more dangerous. Now go and check my scores in Fw190A8. You'll realize that near 90% my time in AH is spent in a Fw190A8.
The change would be like those athletes of the olympic 100 meters who uses to run with 10Kg weight with them. When they quit the weight they run like lightnings.
Be VERY carefull of what you wish, man. F4U is like a Fw190 in steroids...and with turbolasers.
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Come on RAM, I know your upset, but your exagerating again.
Be VERY carefull of what you wish, man. F4U is like a Fw190 in steroids...and with turbolasers.
And speaking to you as a friend, I have to be honest and say that its the reactionary comments like these that make people not take you as seriously as you feel they should.
Its also the reason that alot of people write it off as as a typical Luftwaffe, "my 190 is not a Lethality God plane whine".
So take a deep breath (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Relax a little, and try to be more objective in your posts. If you do, people will respect you alot more, and take you seriously. At least thats what my years of posting on boards like these has taught me.
In regards to the 190 vs F4U comparison, the numbers show that these two planes fly very similarly.
So if your successful in one, you should be similarly successful in the other.
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**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 05-25-2000).]
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I dont know what Im missing here but the F4U-1C just isnt that big of a concern to me.
If I had just one squeak plane it would be the 109-G10.....I HATE that thing. I would much rather fight against 1Cs than G10s.
Still, I feel sorta bad that some folks are finding things so out of whack that they are compelled to close accounts. I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
Yeager
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Umm Verm ,while I can understand what you say, regarding the F4Uvs Fw190 I think im not exagerating.
Think in Fw190 Strongpoins:
firepower (F4UC has more)
Speed on deck (f4U has more)
rollrate (F4U has the equal)
Good fast snapturn (F4U has quite good too)
Nice diving (F4U Dives better)
Excellent hispeed handling (f4U equals it).
Nice Zooming (F4U zooms better)
And now we touched the strongpoints...lets see the bad points:
Fw190:
Climbs really bad -F4U outclimbs Fw190
sustained turnrate sucks -F4U's is better plus it has combat flaps.
Horrible stallfighter- F4U much better
Has a nasty spin - F4U too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
The only one thing that 190 does better than F4U,and not for a big deal, is level accelerating. 0G acceleration is equal because F4U's lesser drag.
Ah, yes and F4U is big and 190 is small
I find F4U quite MORE dangerous than 190 in D version C is simply terrifing if you see it flying a wuerger.
Tell me verm, Am I exagerating? if I get up a F4UD I know I'll do better than I do in 190 as it is a better plane. If I get C version I'll feel like a god, is the way of flying I love and it has deathrays. Is there some exageration here? I think not.
So I again say: LAZS CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU ASK FOR! any Fw190 Driver will kick a lot of tulips outta the sky if they drive F4U. And we fly german iron, you know.
BTW I dont whine about F4U. If it was a better plane than A8 its okay. I only say that if someone thinks we wont do well in it is VERY VERY wrong.
WE already kick tulips on 190. Do you want to see ALL jg2 on F4U1-C? really?...lazs, pray god you never see us doing it.
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Oops, looks like my post did press some buttons. Good (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Most questions have been dealt with by others so I will comment on one specific one;
A few snipped quotes from StSanta's post:
Quote - "His opinion is that the current state in MA with quakers flying cannon hogs or people just generally going on kamikaze hunt is *not* worth his $30. WTF is wrong with those who criticize him for having an opinion other than their own?"
The *only* "opinion" he expressed in this thread (and later edited out) was that AH wasn't worth it.
Yes, I have insider knowledge, So AH isn't worth it, and I just gave you the explanation to why it ain't worth it to him. Thought it would help clarify matters.
Quote - "Will this opinion piss you guys off too? or is it ok because it matches your own?"
What "opinion" are you meaning? Is "Finally done with this cya guys" an opinion?
No, I was referring to the opinion that it IS worth my $30. Do you find it upsetting?
Quote - "Note, just talking to the people who come down guns blazing when a fellow pilot says his goodbye and offers his opinion/explanation for why he's leaving."
The only explanation he gave, again, edited out, was that AH wasn't worth the money.
He gave his opinion with regards to the game. In another thread in the JG2 area he gave us the explanation. Of course that ain't available to the general public.
My point was, will you slam me for saying "oh man, this game is worth my $30, I think I'll stay" or will you find that opinion equally disturbing?
Now where is alla this F4U stuff coming from? Was that JG2 intra squad email your getting this from? Y'all are talking like we were supposed to know that he was pissed at this plane. I get the sense that he said some proper goodbyes to the squad - then came on the board to post some quick, abrasive 'ciao dudes'.
He said goodbyes in the JG2 forum. Do you have friends outside town? Would you say goodbye to them too? Thought so.
If not, I can tell you that if a long time squady of mine took off with just a "Finished with this, cya", there would be no <S> from me. Seems pretty damned disrespectful.
Hm, I dunno. Maybe it's a matter of perception. I didn't see it as personally insulting in any way. I didn't rea into it "you guys are suckers for liking this sim, I've grown out of it you crybabies!". All I read was that someone had had too much AH and was leaving. Sort of like drinking one beer too much (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I think some of you guys must have read a different post/email than the rest of us. Excuse me for reacting to the one at hand here.
Yeh was thinking about that as I maede my post, and that's why I included the explanation; not to whine or have a basis to go off screaming but rather explain the motives. My issue really wasn't with quakers or ac hogs. More with what was insulting about his post.
Yes, it is negative, but as I said, it's just a guy who've have eaten too much candy and feels all bloated while still having some left (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
He'll be back. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I ain't got a prollem with anyone, Dnil included. I just didn't like his post. So I said as much. Anything more is just silly.
Done.
[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 05-26-2000).]
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firepower (F4UC has more)
Speed on deck (f4U has more)
rollrate (F4U has the equal)
Good fast snapturn (F4U has quite good too)
Nice diving (F4U Dives better)
Excellent hispeed handling (f4U equals it).
Nice Zooming (F4U zooms better)
And now we touched the strongpoints...lets see the bad points:
Fw190:
Climbs really bad -F4U outclimbs Fw190
sustained turnrate sucks -F4U's is better plus it has combat flaps.
Horrible stallfighter- F4U much better
Has a nasty spin - F4U too
Don't forget RAM, the A8 we have in Aces HIgh is NOT the A8 fighter, it's the A8 'Sturmbock' version.
Extra armour (and therefore weight)
No MW50 injection
My understanding is that HTC had some problem modelling just how MW50 would affect performance, so they chose the path of least resistance and modelled a version without MW50.
Which makes me wonder what they'll do to the D9 if it ever comes out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Jekyll I know the A8 here is sturmbock version. But "MR" lazs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) dared to affirm that us, JG2 pilots, wouldn't do any well in F4UC. So I answered him. F4U1-C is like a Fw190A8 in steroids. It is just the same kinda flying but with a better plane. So if we are flying Fw190,and doing it quite well right now,we would ROCK in the LaserHawg. In fact I believe that we would rock in ANY plane , but that is another matter not concerning this thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Thats my point. I dont say anything about historical planes I am speaking about ARENA ones.and in current arena planeset, Hawg is just like a feeded up Fw190.
BTW MW50 in A8?. I'd love to see that! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Anyway seems that few MW50 system made their path to A series. GM1 was another thing, tho. Many A8s were fitted with it. I'd love to see 190's alt performance improved (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)...
I dont see why A8 cant be fitted with Mw50, anyway. I am quite sure than more than 200 Fw190A8 had that system...and that is more or less the same number as operational cannonhawgs in WWII, isnt it?. So I think they should bring it up, too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Maybe Pyro could make an option for Fw190A8 and D9, available in Hangar.
Option 1: no system fitted, AUX tank used for fuel, or for nothing at all.
Option 2: MW50 system fitted. AUX tank reserved for MW50 use.
Option 3: GM1 boost system fitted. AUX tank reserved for GM1 use.
Why dont use a booster?. I can find at least 2 reasons:
First:they weighted their share of pounds.
Second:they put fuel drinking at cloud level. Fw190 has nice endurance but when using a booster it should drop significantly.
I thing that would be a nice addition to Fw190A8,(and the future D9)as now we need some reason to fly it when A5 comes!. and A5 werent fitted with Mw50, or that it seems.
Regarding your fears about D9 without booster,a big big number of Fw190D9s were fitted with Mw50. If not from factory, yes in retrofits on fields. So if you model a D9 you MUST do it with MW50 to keep things real (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but if HTC want to model new planes never modelled they could do it with a D12 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ALL of them with MW50 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
BTW Me109G10 has MW50 boost included in AH, so I guess is not a problem with HTC not knowing how to model it.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 05-26-2000).]
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Tell me verm, Am I exagerating?
To be honest? Yes I do think you are exaggerating the differences in the two aircraft (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Sure there are differences in the aircraft, but the advantages, either way, are so small that pilot quality makes all the difference in my opinon. And I agreed with you from the start that a good Fw190 pilot willl make a good F4U pilot, and vice versa.
You guys keep claiming that our A8 is a "Sturmbock", wheres your evidence for that? I remember Pyro explicitly stating that our A8 was not a Sturmbock when we first got our 190.
And I also remember the whole debate on why it didn't have MW50. Evidently very few of the service A8's had operational MW50 systems, so thats why he chose to model it without it.
RAM, that Ta152 book I recommended, you should pick it up and look at the flight testing data before you start to ask for either the D12 or D13. Here is a link with the speed vs altitude, and climb vs altitude, flight test data for the D12. Notice that its max speed at SL is 340 mph, much slower than the current A8. The 190D12 would perform poorly in our arena because it was optimized for higher altitudes than where we typically fight.
http://web.mountain.net/~arringto/ta152/ta152-3.jpg (http://web.mountain.net/~arringto/ta152/ta152-3.jpg)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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So refreshing....
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
Sure there are differences in the aircraft, but the advantages, either way, are so small that pilot quality makes all the difference in my opinon. And I agreed with you from the start that a good Fw190 pilot willl make a good F4U pilot, and vice versa.
Verm, tell me only ONE advantage that has 190 over F4U,apart that slight best flat acceleration. Please do it. I am still searching it.
You guys keep claiming that our A8 is a "Sturmbock", wheres your evidence for that? I remember Pyro explicitly stating that our A8 was not a Sturmbock when we first got our 190.
Then it is clear that Fw190A8 is bad modelled. 2000 feet/minute on climbing at 5K? come on!
And I also remember the whole debate on why it didn't have MW50. Evidently very few of the service A8's had operational MW50 systems, so thats why he chose to model it without it.
How many Mw50 Fw190A8 were up in WWII?. how many N1K2s or F4U1-Cs were up in WWII?.
dont talk me about numbers, verm. I have the advantage here and we both know it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
RAM, that Ta152 book I recommended, you should pick it up and look at the flight testing data before you start to ask for either the D12 or D13. Here is a link with the speed vs altitude, and climb vs altitude, flight test data for the D12. Notice that its max speed at SL is 340 mph, much slower than the current A8. The 190D12 would perform poorly in our arena because it was optimized for higher altitudes than where we typically fight.
D12 was named tongue-in-cheek, Verm. I NEVER want to fly a plane only armed with 2 Mk108s,either. Im not crazy. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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If it's purely a numbers game, how many of the 5,665 Spit IXs made had 4 cannon? More than 200 I'd say.
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(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Don't make me turn this car right around and go home! Stop touching your brother! Stop teasing your sister! Stop your crying before I give you something to cry about! Ok, that's it no candy for you! You're grounded! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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HiTech Creations
"Happiness is a warm gun momma" - The Beatles
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Superfly -
You forgot :
I am going to take my ball and go home!
I wish my squad mates would quit whining too.
And they can toss me out of the squad for saying so. I don't give a rats....
BTW - the only thing that will chase me
from AH is when I can't have a plane that
someone else is flying. I am not gonna try
to earn merit points for a freaking plane.
(Not a whine - a fact).
Sour
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JG-2 Richthofen (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2)
"Hey - someone has to be the target...."
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[This message has been edited by sourkraut (edited 05-26-2000).]
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Dont even dignify the negatives with a response I personally think the JG2 is one of the best squads going and hate seeing any of them leaving. I hope this is not a pattern though I suspect it is. Everyone who pays to play is right in what they want to do.
My guess is the "Quake Bird" play and planes with turbo lasers is one of the main reasons for members to leave. If Hitech does not perceive it as a problem it is not going to be addressed and more good pilots will leave
which is a shame. Soon perhaps Hitech will add a historical arena allowing a more even plane for our gaming pleasure.
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You guys are reading WAY to much into what I am saying. The -1C is not an uber plane... The guns are only about 6% more leathal than an A8's... It turns worse and climbs about the same but accelerates worse. There just ain't much to choose between the 2.... If you switch from 190's to -1C's (everything else being equal) you just shouldn't do much better or worse. The -1c will not give you any advantage worth talking about. In two hrs of fairly intense combat (for AH) I noticed that not one of the 7-8 enemey Hogs that attacked survived. I find them pathetic. I find that fear of this somewhat undermodeled plane is even more so.
To me... The worst plane in the game is the Tiffie followed by a tie for second worse... 190 A8/Corsair. fix the turn on the Corsair and add a 190A4/5 at the same time and then you will have some good fights.
lazs
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fix the f4u turn ? lol i want some of what hes smokin. its a damb big fat blue zeke. try to turn with one in a 109 . i cast my vote that the hog is uber uber uber and guns are about 2 times what 190s are( even 20 and 30 mm config) from my laymans couple thousand hours in them. get rid of the damb thing.or fix it
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A 190 w/ 4 20mm's certainly does NOT turn as well as a 1c. With 2 20mm I can out manuver the 1c in the vertical, but it's very tough to do that kind of manuvering and stay out of the 1200 yrd. umberella that the 1c's cannons give it.
I've decided that I don't want it removed from the sim though. I think there is enough interest now in a HA. Once we get a few more planes and maybe even some sort of CM tool, I'm going to start an HA.
As for now the only chutes that I will shoot will be those of 1c pilots (or "observers" near a battle) So if your 1c get's nailed by a Knight 190 you better just go ahead and ride it in, because I'm going to fill you w/ 20mm shells when you bail (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I discovered last night that killing 1c pilots in their chutes feels REALY GOOD. It felt so good that it gave me a diferent perspective of the 1c. Keep it, but give us extra points for plinking the pilots in their chutes after we make them bail out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
U.H.P.C.P.A.A.H.
Uber Hawg Pilot Chute Plinking Assosiation of Aces High (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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LOL Udie! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Mino
The Wrecking Crew
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I discovered last night that killing 1c pilots in their chutes feels REALY GOOD. It felt so good that it gave me a diferent perspective of the 1c. Keep it, but give us extra points for plinking the pilots in their chutes after we make them bail out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Lol udie...I am doing the same since a couple of weeks ago (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
RAM
U.H.P.C.P.A.A.H. new member (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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LOL I fly the dweeb mobile almost exclusively except when in the SEA in some kind of senario, check my stats they suck in the Hog, my K/D sucks, my gunnery sucks, etc etc etc. My point???? well it is the pilot not the iron, hell I suck just as bad in the spit LOL
BigJim
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Why would anyone bail?
lazs
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That's their best option when they face my 190 lazs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Udie
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<S> Dnil... hope you'll come back eventualy.
As to all the other opinions... I don't give a rats bellybutton what people think bout me, JG2, the cannons of the bluebird, the velocity in a 73 degree vertical dive of my pink parrot equiped with 2 MK108's and a 125 gallon droptank... just fly, kill, enjoy your buddies.
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BEE(JENG)
=CO=II/JG2~Richthofen~
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://http://members.tripod.com/JG2/)
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'Nemo Me Impune Lacessit'
[This message has been edited by JENG (edited 05-28-2000).]
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I fly a pink parrot equipped with guns. It's called the FW190A8.
Odd name, yeh, but just following the tradition in my family; that's how we name our pets.
I mean, I thought "109G10" was an odd name for a grey pig, but it doesn't seem to care.
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StSanta
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ROFLOL santa... you are so right... my little G10 is called 'Babe' (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Bee