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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vermillion on May 25, 2000, 01:04:00 PM
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Looking into the old crystal ball, I was starting to wonder what fighter variant(s) we would get in the next version. So far we usually get at least one variant per version since it is much easier to do a variant than a new aircraft, and I wondered what potentially out there.
GERMANS:
Fw190- We are just getting the A5, so I wouldn't expect to see a Dora, F, or G, in the very next version
Bf109- Pretty much played out, unless you go back to the E's and before. And yes the G10=K4, so don't even mention it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
JAPAN:
N1K2- We could see the midwar version N1K1, but the performance would be so similar most wouldn't notice it
A6M5b- Just getting this aircraft as new, so I wouldn't expect a variant this soon.
RUSSIA:
La5- The La7 is a definite contender as the next variant
Yak9U- Again just getting it, so no new variant
ITALY:
C.202/205- Like the 109, this series is pretty much played out unless you go back to an early war C.200, very low likelyhood IMO
BRITISH:
Spitfire- Like the 109 series, unless you go very far back to the I, or to the late war XIV (potentially unbalancing IMO), the definitive aircraft are currently in the set. Still, the XIV is a potential contender
Typhoon- The Tempest is a potential variant here.
US:
P51D- A P-51B is another potential contender
P38L- An early model P-38 (F or G) is possible, or even a midwar P-38J. Interest seems low tho, so the potential is low.
F4U1's- Even with the current hatred of the cannon hog, the definitive model of the Corsair has yet to be seen, the F4U-4 (MG's only no cannons). Again a potential canidate.
So now we have limited it down to the La7, Spit XIV, Tempest, P51B, F4U-4.
Now look at the aircraft that is just coming out in this version or the next. And you already see a new Russian fighter and a new British Bomber (with the Typhoon just the version before), so personally I'm gonna bet on a American fighter.
The P-51B or the F4U-4.
To me the F4U-4 (no cannons to make all the anti cannon hog people happy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) and so its not unbalancing) fits the late war planset much better than the P-51B.
But you would probably see me flying any of them, except maybe the Tempest (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
What do you guys think the next fighter variant will be?
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 05-25-2000).]
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I personally would love to see some more PAC planes now that there is talk of naval action. How about F4F or the F6F?? I know these are favs of alot of people.
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P-47D or later model
F6F
FW190D-9
Spitfire XIV
F4U-4
Tempest
La-7
G.55 (I'd like one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
I think HTC wont go back to 1941-42 for a long time ... too bad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Spitfire Mk. XIV.
Every other country now has at least one "late war wonder", let's even things up. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'll be happy whatever it is, as long as it's not ANOTHER whoopee US FIGHTER THAT'S BEEN MODELED IN 500 OTHER SIMS!
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[This message has been edited by funked (edited 05-25-2000).]
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Well, strictly speaking variants, I'd like to see the P-38F in Olive Drab Livery. Those poor Zeke drivers like Ghosth will need something they can kill. <G,D,R!>
Ok, ok...seriously. I'd go for the P-51B, with real B model cockpit art, thank you(Those of you familiar with the WB P-51B know what I'm talking about).
For some reason, I've always thought that the B model Mustang was the sexier of the two.
And, to prove that we Americans are not taking up too much of the planeset, it's only fair that this B model Mustang be painted in Polish RAF colors. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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[This message has been edited by banana (edited 05-25-2000).]
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I predict that the next fighter will be the P-47D, though I'd like to see the J3M2 Raiden "Jack" introduced into the planeset first. F6F is another likely cantidate.
The next variant will probably be German or American (based on past trends), Fw-190D-9, Bf-109K-6, P-38F, P-38H, P-38J, P-51B or F4U-4.
I would like a Spitfire MkXIV as it has long been one of my two favorite aircraft, the other is the A6M5. But as we're getting the Zero next update, it might not be a good thing for me (you'd have trouble getting me to fly anything else).
Sisu
[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 05-25-2000).]
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Oh wait, that's my cue!
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I'd like to see
p51b (in american markings sorry funked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) )
tempest (in britich markings lol (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
neither would unbalance the arena and neither would hold all the cards like some other variants
[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 05-25-2000).]
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Either a P47D, or a P51B...but, Pyro may want to model things not done in other sims, so how about:
LA-7
KI-45
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190D9-12
ME262
Spit IX late version(bubble canopy-tall tail etc)
Tempest
P-47M
F6F
Ki84
Tony
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whoa...
a ki45
that would rock
one thing the IJN/IJA has always needed was a good twin heavily armed fighter.
bf110G4 or g2 would flesh out the germans pretty good too, perhaps one with schrage muzic upward firing mk108s? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I always loved flying the bf110 on jabo missions, those big cannons and great bomb load... lots of fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
but I thought we were discussing variants of planes already in the game (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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No more Spits please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) C'mon, be original! Mosquito? Whirlwind? Hornet?
And I still don't want a Tempest (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Typhoon's doing well enough for me, thankyouverymuch...
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VARIANTS people VARIANTS !!!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
New models are total guessing games left up to Pyro and his whims (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
But the variant list is quite limited and we can make an decent guess at it.
So please limit your response to variants (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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The Tempest is more of a new plane than a variant, but it's what I'd like to see most. There's still no British plane newer than mid 42, and that is a huge disadvantage against the late 44-early 45 set we have now.
As for variants, how about the Spit 9 HF and LF, both with 150 octane fuel.
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P-40 b or c
Wildcat
Dauntless
Val
Kate
Early SW Pacific stuff
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Milo
JG 2
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Whoops, this is just for fighters, forget the bombers and add the P-38 F and the Oscar
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Milo
JG 2
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I think they should paint the rest of the picture before buying the frame, fill in all the missing fighters that actualy saw some use in pac and europe then get on with the the gadget planes. Where is the P47, F6F, F4F, Hurricane, and the like. Hell Yeager said he chassed a JU-88 clear across the english channel in his stang before he could finaly get close enough to shot it. C'mon lets flesh this thing out then fly 262's
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Exile, ygsmilo, Pappy, Citabria and all the others (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The reason I haven't inlcuded the P-47, F4F, F6F, P-40, Ki-45, and any other Japanese is because they are not variants of any existing aircraft that we ALREADY have in the game.
*points to subject that says which new variant will we get next*
Possible addition of totally new aircraft is a whole nother thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
*walks away muttering to himself "variants, I tell you... variants"
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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The B/C model pony... or Mustang III in RAF colors, all of them were in combat in large numbers with malcom hood thru the end of the war.. Funked put up some nice art; and there's a thread over in A/C and Vehicles discussing Bud Anderson's Old Crow as a likely markings candidate.
Why a B model stang?? Well; contrary to popular belief, the B model was a better plane than the D model in some very key areas, and an honest B has never been modeled correctly in any sim; including 'brandW'.
Advantages of the B model over the D.. it's faster and lighter. Better accel; better climb rate. Better turn, better low speed handling, and with the malcom hood, better cockpit visibilty down, aft and to the lower rear quarters due to the fishbowl of the hood. Further.. it's stonger, the airframe had fewer gripes; the wings were thinner and the drag was lower. A plus.. the shiny alum skin is in cammo. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
The only thing the D model brought to the fight the B couldn't do better.. firepower. 4 .50's instead of six.
Frankly; in the type of furballing we see most often, a more nimble stang would be a welcome addition to the US inventory as the kind of fights that we have in AH beg for this plane. IMHO we need it as a foil for all those damn 109's. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Variants on the Mustang III included numerous 'tuned up' versions that were used to run down V2's. These hopped up Mustang III's routinely acheiving 420mph in level flight at 2000 feet.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Up to now; there has been no sim that has fairly represented this plane and it's TRUE capabilities. In all other sims, the B model is weaker; slower; poorer in all aspects.
I'm hopin that will change here...
Alternative P51's.. the Mustang II; allison power; 4 hispano cannons. Can you saw hawg buster? The A36.. with dive brakes and allison power; this one has some potential on the deck and in the jabo role.
The P51H.. yes; this did not see 'combat'; however 555 of them had rolled off the line by VJ day; and they were flying in squadron service in the pacific theatre. More of these were built than Ta152's by wars end.. and only quirks in squadron equippage kept it from actually engaging in combat. A superb fighter... truly be a shame to miss having this.
Hang
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Well everyone knows Sally flies nutten but corsairs,So naturally i would like the f4u-4. As long as it has the correct speed,clime rate and the amout of hardwar(armor and ammo amounts)and of corse the 4 bladed 13 ft hamilton standard hydromatic constant speed prop. i would prefer cannons becouse im not the best dog fighter,so my best friend is the cannons,but for those cannon haters,I will get better at dog fighting and make them hate the corsairs period (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) thanks and been fun Sally of The Lone Wolfs
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All good choices here...I would like to see the P-51B or P-47 of all of those. I wouldn't expect F4F's, F6F's, etc, until they get going with the Naval additions to the game.
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Regular arena varients: La7, Spit IX varients, P51B/C, A36 (Allison p51 with 4 20mm dive bomber), Me109E, F4u-4 (not the B version (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ), Spit I, 109K4 (retractable tailwheel, hence not a g10 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ), 190D9
Upcoming Uber-Varients: Spit XIV, move F4u-1c here, Ta 152H0.
There I did it, all varients! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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Variants on current planeset eh?
Fw 190F-8
Spitfire LF Mk XVI (Packard Merlin 266, clipped wings, teardrop canopy)
Tempest Mk V (Series II)
P-51/Mustang Ia(4x20mm), or A-36A(6x.50in) "Apache"
P-38G
La-7
YB-40 "Ackstar" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 05-25-2000).]
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For some reason I just have to agree with Funked and banana, they seem to make the most sense here... Yep Mustang III like above with the Malcolm Hood, American Plane, RAF paintjob, Polish Markings and everyone is happy except the French.
Falkowsk
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Pyro stated, online, that we will see the P51 H. Learn to duck boys.
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ooooohhhhhhyessssssssssssssss sssssssss......
......the P51H...
.. uprated Merlin V-1659-9; 2218hp boosted
.. 463 mph @ 15K
.. 1750lbs lighter than D model
.. 0-5k feet in 1.5 min
.. Improved vis over the D
.. disc brakes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
.. simplifed and far more rugged cooling system
.. broad cord low drag wing (no kink)
.. dramaticly increased fin height; new tailplane, yaw fixed forever
.. longer fuselage; raised cockpit
.. 6 or 4 .50's, improved ammo feeds, 8 degree high deflection gunsight
A superb machine... lordy.. I can't wait. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
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Eeeeeeek.
I will now practise my running (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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StSanta
II/JG2
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Are you sure you want more fighters? With the appearence of the armored vehicles it might be more prudent to have some ground support types. EG: the A-36 comes to mind for a P51 variant. The twin engine Pe-2 would also be a good choice. I guess it depends on how many favor fighter to fighter combat versus combining resources for field captures etc.. If I was voting for fighters only I would pick a Yak-3.
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Hangtime, I like your thinking. P-51H would be bloody righteous. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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SnakeEyes
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Hangtime.
All good ideas. I think every plane should have a version with the $ X hispano just so you never know what your meeting.
Comparing Numbers of aircraft produced gives unfair advantage to the Americans, while the "combat"test gives unfair advantage to the Germans many of whos prototypes saw combat.
You are smart enough not to throw that comment in about the TA152. Ignoring low production is right now very much to the advantage of American Iron fans. The H will likely be in the game. And it will have to deal with TA152H1s when it gets there.
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P39 please. Or some variant of. Ack killing machine. Plus I bet it would do some damage to the 'grd' vehicles hehe.
ts
[This message has been edited by tshred (edited 05-26-2000).]
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fw190D or p47D/p47M yes i know fw190a5 is here but but..
Bash
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No more late war planes for anwhile pls, would be nice if the early war plane set would get filled out an bit more (for scenarios etc)
Regards.
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WB : -nr-1-
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P51 B or H .. love it love it love..
I fly the D with 4 guns anyway..
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I hope we get more aircraft relevant to scenarios first but do as you will, no worries (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
(Cit kicks his P-38L, "why are you so slow? stupid airplane" )
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[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 05-26-2000).]
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LaGG-3
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I think we'll see P51H, Spit XIV and Ta152 when the überplane scoring thingie is introduced.
I'm guessing we'll see the A36 at some point. It has been modelled only in SDOE before. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Even though we will shortly get the A-5, I hope we'll get a Dora soon. The Tempest is also a likely addition at some point.
But if you want to know what I really want, check my sig! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Camo
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where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."
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Originally posted by Pongo:
Comparing Numbers of aircraft produced gives unfair advantage to the Americans, while the "combat"test gives unfair advantage to the Germans many of whos prototypes saw combat.
You are smart enough not to throw that comment in about the TA152. Ignoring low production is right now very much to the advantage of American Iron fans. The H will likely be in the game. And it will have to deal with TA152H1s when it gets there.
Both the numbers game and the prototype game disadvantage Britain. Britain had the advanced prototypes (the Vampire, Spitefull, Fury etc) but didn't need to rush them in to production. Once again it looks like British planes will be left way behind. People are talking about the Spit XIV to compete with planes a year or more later, like the TA152 and P51H. Can't we once have a British plane contemporary with it's opponents?
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How about this one as a RAF perk, prototype flew on May 23 1944.
Martin-Baker M.B.5
"The M.B.5 was powered by a 2340 hp Rolls-Royce Griffon 83 twelve-cylinder V-type liquid cooled engine driving two contra-rotating three-bladed propellers. Armed with four 20-mm British Hispano Mk. II cannon in the wings. Maximum speed was 395 mph at sea level, 425 mph at 6000 feet, 460 mph at 20,000 feet. Initial climb rate was 3800 feet/minute. Climb rate at 7000 feet was 4000 feet/minute. The airplane could climb to 20,000 feet in 6.5 minutes, and could reach 34,000 feet in 15 minutes. Service ceiling 40,000 feet. Weights were 9233 lbs empty, 11,000 lbs normal loaded. Wing area was 262.64 square feet."
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I'd really love to see that Brit Mustang B with the malcom hood, invasion strips and roundels.
Sharky
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You can run but ya just die tired
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La-7
La 7
Lavochkin 7
Lavochkin sem'
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Originally posted by Maniac:
No more late war planes for anwhile pls, would be nice if the early war plane set would get filled out an bit more (for scenarios etc)
Regards.
I Have to agree with my squadmate
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I would love to see the -4 hog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Something that has a climbrate and some speed and .50s AND is BIG AND BLUE!
If the p51h comes giveth me the counter in the -4 hog. Where was that link for bribes again? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
S!
Rocket
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I would like to see more bombers. Like the HE111, Lancaster. And I'd really like to see the A26 or evern the A-20
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Verm,
Say hello to my little friend, hehe.
(http://pylon1.com/rotp/race57/image_page/images/f2g_R99bd_02.jpg)
I just finished painting her this morning.
What do you think? It could chase down those peskie runstangs and G-10's?
F4UDOA
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BTW, the G-10 does not equal the K-4. The K-4 has a cleaner airframe. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Personally, I would like to see:
Tempest
Spitfire Mk. XIV
Fw-190D-12
P-51B,C,H
P-38F
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Rendar
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Is that Corsair *PINK* ?!? I thought Barbie only had a Spitfire...
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Sure F4UDOA, actually I fully expect to see the FG2 Super Corsair as one of the "what if" planes Pyro has been talking about. It should be a real fire breathing beast. But I will settle for the F4U-4 as a normal arena aircraft first. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rendar, what we have may be called a "G10" but look at its performance stats. They match the K4 performance exactly.
Juzz if they model this plane, I don't care if its Pink Purple or even Mauve (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I will sure fly it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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Ok, I'm British so I've a bias, but by the time I join up - which will be soon - I'd like to see the Mosquito and the Spit XIV.
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Spitfire Mk. XIV is coming. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Vermillion, how is P-38J (August 1943) "midwar" and Spitfire Mk. XIV (January 1944) "latewar". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) <G,D,R>
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P-38 is '43, thus is mid-war, Spitfire XIV is '44 and is thus late-war. The separation has to happen somewhere.
Funked, you say the Spitfire XIV is coming. Do you have any info that indicates this?
I know this is a contentious kite, but it has long been my prefered mount. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Sisu
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(sighs knowing even as he types the damning sentence that that particular breed, the aero-grognard, will spring to the attack)
That said, (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) FW190-F
{and let's see a cannon hawg bring that down with a few hits}
ACHTUNG! FLUGZEUGBEWARNUNG!
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I dunno if even the auto-takeoff could handle the F2G's torque (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
A 3,500 HP engine in a Corsair's airframe is kinda like an Me-109 variant to the extreme except it stayed stream-lined and the Wasp Major didn't way much more.
I'd be the ultimate intercepter, but with a production run of 6 it seems kinda unlikely (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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IIRC the F2G was canceled because it didn't perform any better than the F4U-4?
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Jigster,
Actually the Goodyear engineers devised a method of adding an additional trim tab to rudder in for low speed flight. Don Armstrong writes in his autobiography about the developement of the F2G that" The results were even better than expected. Extreme low speed directional and lateral control at maximum power were phonominal". And the Navy said that full power wave off's were "No Sweat".
Funked,
I believe the dicontinuence of the F2G contract terminated at approximately at the same time the F4U-4 contract did. Except the -4 was in production since mid 1944 and 1700 were built before wars end. Even though the first XF2G were completed and flying in late 1943 they did not enter production until almost wars end. They were in fact a victim of the F4U-1 success. Suprisingly by comparison the P51D did not enter production until March of 1944 and reach the front lines at approx June 1944 although it is though of as being the most recognized version of the Mustang. By contrast the XF4U-4 and XF2G were flying in Jan 1944 but the -4 did not enter production until Dec.1944 or the front lines until March 1945. I guess the need dictates the timetable. Oh yeah if Juzz doesn't like pink maybe he likes getting shot down by blue planes instead.
(http://pylon1.com/rotp/race57/thumbnails/F2G_PAX.jpg)
(http://pylon1.com/rotp/race57/thumbnails/F2G_na01.jpg)
F4UDOA
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I am hoping for a He162, so as not to throw the planesets (matchup) to far outta whack
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Variant, Hmmmm lets see. Just slap some butterfly flaps on a spit. Make it a little faster. and we,ll call it a KI84.
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Hmmm... since this thread seems to have been given a revived life the past two days.
<points to subject>
Variant = Some different model/change/variation of an existing aircraft, present in the game today.
Not "This is my favorite plane and I want it today"
*Netiquette Nazi mode off* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I thought the reason that the F2G never came into immediate production was the lack of engines, and that once the engines were available in quantity, then the war was over and the production canceled?
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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P47D we need it for sure
F6F Hellcat
Me262,
Mossie (fighter and bomber version)
Ki84
I would like to see also early War planeset:
spit Ia, Hurr I + II, Fw109-A4, P38F, P40E, P39, A6M2(+3), Ki43, etc... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Johan "MrBean" Dorssers
[This message has been edited by Mr. Bean (edited 06-09-2000).]
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So, no early war planes on anyone's wish list? I'd definitely like to see:
- Bf109E
- Spit I
- Brewster Buffalo
and it certainly would be fun to fly some very early planes like
- I-16
- Gloster Gladiator
I doubt we'll see any of these soon.
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Give up Verm, it's like an ingrained reflex. They can't help themselves.
BTW I think La-7 is next one we will get
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F4U my only expirence with it was from what one of the pilots that flew both it and the F4U-5D said at an airshow back during the '97 AW Con...maybe it had lacked some of the parts because they were so rare? I think his exact words were "Torque is a squeak!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Verm I'd have to dig on the engines but at the very end of the war there were quite a few around...I think the first plane to ever use it was the H-4. I think the B-36 was the last. The F2G was an incredible plane to say the least (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Btw that pink Corsair was a modified racer that was just recently restored to it's (um 1946 or 1947) racing configuration. There's a blue one like that still races (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
- Jig
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Ignoring verm's plea's to stay "on topic"...here we go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
1) the current plane set is not complete without the dora...I remember reading about Robert Johnsons encounter with a dora very early on in his career...so it was around for most of the air war over europe.
2) The P-47 (some flavor) has to be modeled due to its high numbers in use.
3) The F6F has to be introduced along with the Ki-84...further pac fighters...early and late war would be nice but could wait a bit.
Now as for my wish list plane....how bout a P-61 black widow....don't think it's ever been modeled before in WW2 sim
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P-51B
Spit 1
109E
Early Zeke
B-17F
This would be a step towards the Early War planes we're lacking. Plus you can never have too many P-51's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Lt Col Dune
X.O. 352nd Fighter Group (http://www.352ndfightergroup.com)
"The Blue Nosed Bastards of Bodney"
"Credo quia absurdum est." (I believe it because it is unreasonable)
- The motto of the Republic of Baja Arizona
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Well there's one more P-51 variant I can think of that I doubt has ever been modeled...an AT-36 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Though with only 2 fifty's I doubt it'd be very popular vs the B model
- Jig
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Plus you can never have too many P-51's
Ahhhh... a man after my own heart (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Dune I think your gonna do just fine here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (not like you didn't do very fine in WB's hehehe)
But your thinking the wrong way my friend....
think
P-51H (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"
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seeing as pyro has said the ju88 is coming id like to see the ju88G-6 three seat night fighter
powerplant:2 junkers jumo 211j inline engines each 1,410hp at take off
armourment 4xmg151 20mm cannon uder fuselage some carried 2 further mg151 in an oblique installation firing upwards and forwards (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
performance:max speed 389mph at 30,000 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) initial climbrate 1,655ft/min
first production:summer 1944
others id like to see
p-47d
polikarpov I-16 (just for a laugh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
me 262 or 163
bomber towed Gliders with vehicles
jeeps (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) artillary (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) drool drool
....id better stop.
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Early: P-40B/E
Late: P-51K
No stinkin' jets!
Mr.ED
327th A.C.G.
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I agree. The P-51K ABSOLUTELY MUST BE the next fighter variant!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Reggiane Re 2005 Sagittario
I Don't Care!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) heck it saw combat and with 36 0r 37 built they were prolly a good % of Italian fiter production.
If going for exotic types I would like to see the R model.
POWERPLANT Re 2005R: One 1,475 hp Fiat RA.1050 RC 58 Tifone (license-built Daimler-Benz DB 605A-1) V-12 inline liquid-cooled piston. , plus one 370 hp Fiat A-20 auxiliary engine driving two Campini superchargers.
Re 2005 (actual; official Regia Aeronautica tests, 1942 - 1943)
Max speed: 6,560 ft/2,000 m: 421 mph/678 kph.
13,120 ft/4,000 m: 351 mph/565 kph.
22,800 ft/6,950 m: 421 mph/678 kph, or 390.5 mph/628.5 kph.
22,965 ft/7,000 m: 421 mph/678 kph.
Cruise speed: 320 mph/515 kph.
Initial climb rate: - Time to
6,560 ft/2,000 m: 1 min 55 sec.
13,120 ft/4,000 m: 4 min 28 sec.
19,685 ft/6,000 m: 5 min, or 7 min 25 sec.
Service ceiling: 37,730 ft/11,500 m |5|.
Range: 609 miles/980 km.
Armament:
Two 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns with 350 rounds each in upper engine cowling.
One 20 mm Mauser MG 151 cannon with 150 rounds firing through propellor hub.
Two 20 mm Mauser MG 151 cannon with 200 rounds each in wings.
Up to 2,200 lb / 1,000 kg bomb or fuel tank under fuselage.
Two wing hardpoints for 353 lb / 160 kg of bombs or fuel tanks.
pic at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8780/aircraft/re2005/index.html (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8780/aircraft/re2005/index.html)
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OhNooo
smile awhile
[This message has been edited by MrBill (edited 06-11-2000).]
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NUFF SAID!
(http://www.geocities.com/tas13th/panzerspoof.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/tas13th/thunder.jpg)
[This message has been edited by Thunder (edited 06-11-2000).]
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Hehe Juzz, I also agree on the P-51K. So let it be written, so let it be done. <waves magic wand> Poof!
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
ooooohhhhhhyesssssssssssssssssssssssss......
......the P51H...
.. uprated Merlin V-1659-9; 2218hp boosted
.. 463 mph @ 15K
.. 1750lbs lighter than D model
.. 0-5k feet in 1.5 min
.. Improved vis over the D
.. disc brakes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
.. simplifed and far more rugged cooling system
.. broad cord low drag wing (no kink)
.. dramaticly increased fin height; new tailplane, yaw fixed forever
.. longer fuselage; raised cockpit
.. 6 or 4 .50's, improved ammo feeds, 8 degree high deflection gunsight
A superb machine... lordy.. I can't wait. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hang
Wooooaaaah BABY (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I need one of these (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
OH, and look above - Pyro says we getting the K (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Overlord Spatula
flipping luftwaffles and red guys for a while now
(http://www.spatula.co.nz/aceshigh/spatula_sig1.jpg)
=357th Pony Express=
[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 06-11-2000).]
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<sniffs the air>
Hmm the smell of grease, Spatula was just here. I'm hot on the trail now. You can run but you can't hide, I demand satisfaction! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Most plans are just inaccurate predictions.
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Hey Pyro,
Glad to see you like the "K" over the "H", gotta give Axis some kind of chance......
Naw
<S> Humble
Mr.ED
327th A.C.G.
Now about that P-40......