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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bluedog on January 12, 2002, 04:56:04 AM
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G'day all,
I was just wondering if anyone knew the story behind some of the planes represented in Aces High.
What I mean is, for instance the P51B is 'Shangri-La', Don Gentile's mount, which currently resides ( or at least is rumoured to) in a farmer's pond, where it was bulldozed to after Mr Gentile smacked his prop and radiator into the ground on a (all too) low pass of his home airfield after completing his tour. Apparently they 'where' going to send both Gentile and the aircraft on a war bonds tour, but,alas, 'Shangri-La' was a write off.
From what I can make out, the 109G6 is Erich Hartmann's 'Black Tulip', and the FW190-A8 is 'Pips' Priller's.
I think the Spit IX was flown by the boss of 303 Sqdn RAF (Polish), though I have no idea of the gentleman's name.
Anyone know the stories for the rest of them?
I would guess from the fact that a few are pretty accurate representations of 'real life' aircraft, and then ones that would be considered 'famous', that all the aircraft would have an interesting story behind them, or at least I'm hoping so.
Can someone fill me in on the history behind the rest of the planes?
Thanks,
Blue
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The Bf109G-2 MT-222 "Yellow 2" is LLv34's top ace Ilmari "Illu" Juutilainen's plane in which he scored 16 kills while flying it. His total tally was 96kills(unofficially 128).
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The Tempest is Pierre Clostermann's 'Grand Charles', although the propeller cap should be painted red.
The Ki-61 is Kobayashi Teruhiko's '295', although the 20mm guns were located in the wings and not above the cowling on this plane.
I believe Ivan Khodzhedub flew the red nosed La-7.
I don't know who flew the Spit V, but the 'PR' tag belongs to 609 Sqdn RAF 'West Riding of Yorkshire'.
I would like to know who flew the Typhoon. Roland Beamont maybe?
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The Mosquito Mk VI is "Black Rufe" of No 418 'City of Edmonton' Squadron.
This was Sqn Ldr Robert Allan Kipp and Flt Lt Peter Huletsky's Mossie.
It is missing the markings on the port nose. There should be a hillbilly with a rifle on it with 17 swasticas under it as kill markers.
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John Godfrey who was Don Gentiles wingman flew Reggies Reply, Reggie was Johns brother and was killed in the war, John died from ALS.
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With a quick look, here's a few of them:
North American P-51D-15-NA 44-14906 CRIPES A'MIGHTY, flown by Major George Preddy, Officer Commanding 352nd Fighter Group.
Focke-Wulf Fw-190A-5. Flown by Leutnant Otto Kittel, Staffelkapitän of2./JG 54 'Grunherz'.
Republic P-47D-25 Pilot 1st Ten Av Rui Moreira, Green Squadron 1* GAvCa.
Focke-Wulf Fw-190D-9. Major Gerhard Barkhorn, Stab/ JG 6.
Focke-Wulf Ta-152H-1. Flown by Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke, Stab/ JG 301.
Lockheed P-38L-1-LO S/N 44-24155. PUDGY (V), flown by Major Thomas B. McGuire,
431st Fighter Squadron of the 457th Fighter Group, 5th Air Force.
Grumman F6F-5. Minsi II, flown by Commander David McCampbell,
CAG-15, USS "Essex".
Messerschmitt Bf 109G-10. Flown by Hauptmann Franz Wienhusen. 4./ JG 4.
Supermarine Mk IXC BS451/RF-M. JOAN, of Squadron Leader Jan Falkowski, OC No 303 Squadron.
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1Wmaker1
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The P-51D in AH is Preddys ( Ratsy ) 2nd Mustang ride, I beleive he was the highest scoring pilot in the P-51D.
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Tyro48,
If you look at the serial number in the tail of the AH P-51D you'll notice that the serial number matches with Preddy's last mount which I posted above.
If one counts air kills alone (that's the way I count it too) Preddy indeed is the highest scoring Mustang ace of the war but If you count ground kills (US kept track of ground kills too) and air kills together John Meyer is the highest scoring P-51 ace.
Here's a couple of more:
Lavochkin La-5fn "White 14". Flown by Ivan Kozhedub, 240.IAP, 302 IAD, 5 VA.
Lavochkin La-7 "White 23". Flown by Major V Orekhov, 32.Gv.IAP, 3 Gv.IAD, 1 Gv.IAK.
There seems to be an interesting story behind AH's Me-262 "White 3" (not 100% sure if it's the same aircraft but it looks like it). Check out this website:
http://www.stormbirds.com/schwalbe/testimonies/mutke.htm
AH's Spitfire Mk.V W3238 seems to be one of the Presentation aircraft and was named "The London Butcher". More about it here: http://www.spitfiresociety.demon.co.uk/present.htm
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1Wmaker1
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We're both right on Preddys last mount! His first P-51D had the side markers of "HO":)
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Revisited all his 51 rides:
P51B-10-NA S/N 42-106451 HO*P
P51D-5-NA S/N 44-13321 HO*P
p51D-15-NA S/N 44-14906 PE*P
so technically his last 51 was his third ride;)
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So, who was the pilot of our Bf 109F-4?
this topic is very interesting.. any more info or reference is greatly
appreciated :)
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The spit vb was flown by squadron leader Micheal Robinson
The 109 g10 is from Stab VI/Jg4 and was flown by Fanz Wienhusen
The 109 G6 is one of Hartmans planes
The 190a8 was flown by Pipps Priller
The 262 was Gallands
The Spit XIVe was flown By Wing Commaner Jeff Northcott
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It looks like the bf109f-4 was flown by a Gruppen Kommandeur possiblely of JG94, any way thats what the thin black stripe followed by a larger white one & then again by the thin black stripe would suggest, but the german marking system can get a novice like me messed up fairly easily, anyone out there know?
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The 109f4 is one of Hans Hahns planes from when he was gruppen comodore of III Jg2 Nov 1941
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P-47D30 Markings are of the 397 Fighter Squadron, 368 Fighter group. The picture I have of a D30 with these markings was taken in 1946. Finding the pilot of our AH D30 might take some doing. I'll give it a shot.
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George L. Sutcliff flew D3 U so we can rule that one out, as a side note George Rarey did all the art work for the 379th would be cool if this was his ride. 379th was known as Jabo's Angels call sign Tropic with squad ID marking of D3.
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The Typhoon belongs to Wing Commander (later Group Captain) Johnny Baldwin, the highest scoring Typhoon pilot of the War. I forget which Wing he was commanding at the time but he operated that particular aircraft with 2nd TAF from airfields on the Continent during the last 9 months of the War.
The Spitfire Mk. IX belongs to Wing Commander Jan Falkowski, who flew this aircraft while commanding 303 (Polish) Squadron RAF. He fought from the very first day of the war until the very end. One of his most famous exploits was taking on 3 Bf 109s in his PWS 26 (biplane trainer) and causing one of them to crash and the others to run away. W/C Falkowski finished the War with 9 confirmed victories and was awarded DFC (twice!), the Virtuti Militari (equivalent to Medal of Honor) and the Krzyz Walecznych (Cross of Valor, equivalent to Silver Star). After the war he settled in Canada and was chief test pilot for A.V. Roe and flew the famed Avro Arrow. W/C Falkowski passed away in July.
http://www.harryh.com/hheath/tribute.htm
RIP
and
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Thanks very much for the replies guys, very interesting stuff.
Funked, a big thanks to you for the link to the tribute and short history of WC Jan Falkowski, precisely the kind of stuff I was after. Thanks.
It is a sad fact that these living legends number fewer every year, and soon shall be none at all, but I for one, will think of Mr Falkowski every time I see a Spit IX in the AH skies now that I know a little bit about the man.
It is said that a man is never truely dead, untill no one at all remembers his name or his deeds, and to me, the men who flew these machines are immortal all the time we know of their exploits, and have the privilige of 'witnessing' their mounts in action, thanks to the outstanding work of the HTC team.
Blue
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The P-47D-30 is from the 397thFS/368th FG
Production Run
Contract Number W535-AC-24579-26
The P-47D-30 was the first Jug to have dive flaps installed
However here is the rub. The markings are D3*V just as in our AH D30. However the serial numbers don't match. Lt. Geo. McWilliams is pictured flying D3*V with serial number 420456.I'm using a magnifying glass . So in that production run the 420456 would be an RE, and our 433116 would be an RA
P-47D30-RE 800 made serial numbers 44-20308 thru 21107
P-47D30-RA 1200 made serial numbers 44-32668 thru 33867
P-47D30-RA 600 made serial numbers 44-89684 thru 90283
So I'm in a quandry. The picture in Bodies book shows the D3*V with the same paint scheme listed as an RE serial number 420456. Our AH D30 has the above markings (D3*V) and the blue petaloid cowling paint job and the serial number is 433116.
The picture in Bodies book shows an RE piloted by Lt. Geo. McWilliams flying D3*V with the AH matching paint scheme of the above mentioned FG/FS
HALLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!
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Correction: 397th was Jabo's Angels, and Rarey flew with the 379th, got a little crossed up at 5:00 in the morning . But Rarey did do the cowling art work for the 379th:
http://www.rarey.com/sites/rareybird/index.html
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Doh! Where's 56th FG when you need them? :D
P-47D-11 is from 56th FG and the pilot was.......?
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Originally posted by Wmaker
Here's a couple of more:
Lavochkin La-5fn "White 14". Flown by Ivan Kozhedub, 240.IAP, 302 IAD, 5 VA.
Lavochkin La-7 "White 23". Flown by Major V Orekhov, 32.Gv.IAP, 3 Gv.IAD, 1 Gv.IAK.
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1Wmaker1
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Both the Lavochkin's in AH are the ones flown by Kozhedub. The red nose identifies the La-7 as it is unique, and still exists on display at the Moscow aviation museum.
White 23 did not have the crimson nose.
The Yaks, I think are just generic. I recall there being great trouble obtaining accurate camo and colour designs for them. I think they may be based on the Yak-9U on display in the southwest USA. (cannot recall the exact museum or owner offhand)
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The N1K2-J is from the 343rd Kokutai, flown by Chief Petty Officer Shoichi Sugita in 1945.
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Here is a very good web site that shares a lot of good information about Don Gentile the pilot of the P-51b that is modeled here in AH:
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/resource/gentile.html
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Heres a site with info on Maj. George Preddy that flew the P51-D modeled in AH:
http://www.westnet.com/~ssherman/usaaf_preddy.html
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Heres some info on Thomas B. McGuie the pilot of the p-38 modeled here in AH:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/afp/afp1298.html
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A little info on Hans Hahns "Assi" pilot of the bf109f-4 in AH:
af.3dgw.com/bf109f2.htm
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Heres some info on Otto Kittle pilot of the FW190-A5 modeled here:
http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Jagdflieger/Luftwaffe/KittelOtto/Otto-Kittel.htm
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Originally posted by Pongo
The 109f4 is one of Hans Hahns planes from when he was gruppen comodore of III Jg2 Nov 1941
so where's the chicken badge?
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Originally posted by Sorrow[S=A]
Both the Lavochkin's in AH are the ones flown by Kozhedub. The red nose identifies the La-7 as it is unique, and still exists on display at the Moscow aviation museum.
White 23 did not have the crimson nose.
Sorrow, Kozhedub's La-7 in the Molino museum Moscow is in fact "white 27". I haven't seen any reference that Kozhedub ever flew any La-7 numbered 23.
Here's couple profile drawings:
Kozhedub's La-7, "White 27"
(http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/white27_2.jpg)
Orekhov's La-7, "White 23"
(http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/white23.jpg)
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The P-47D-11 was flown by Francis Gabreski, the highest scoring US pilot of the ETO. (28 kills).
As for ground kills, only the 8th AF counted them (To encourage strafing, which was considered more dangerous than air-to-air).
Daff
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Originally posted by mrfish
so where's the chicken badge?
Same place as most squadron markings in AH. They are removed from the models so we can have our squadron markings on the aircaft.
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Who flew the zero and the ki61 ?
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The Ki-61-I-KAIc is from the 244th Sentai and was flown by Group CO Capt Teruhiko Kobayashi over Japan in 1945.
That plane was destroyed when he used it to ram a B-29, he was able to bail out.
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Thanks for the links Tyro :0
Excellant stuff
Blue
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Our A6M5b was flown by an unknown pilot of the 653 Kokutai, and based in Kagoshima. The rest is a mystery, but it was probably destroyed in the Marianas Turkey Shoot on 19 June 1944.
Where's Mitsu when ya need him? :)
Edit: SNAFUed the date.
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
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falkbait,
The A6M5b was not yet in service in Feb. 1944. The A6M5b entered service in late March or April of 1944.
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Edited above post to correct my date goof. Yup, you're right Karnak, the A6M5b began production in April of '44. Thanks to the gang on http://www.j-aircraft.org we know what unit flew our Zeke now. Provided the guy is on anyway.
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta Six's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/sig/lie.gif)