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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: thrila on January 12, 2002, 07:17:13 AM
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(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/BARC/images/tempest-5.jpg)
:D
Would be intersting to fly:)
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hehe, how did those effect its performance?
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That's a very curious photo - I've not seen it before, neither have I come across any reference to a Tempest with 40mm guns. Furthermore, they look nothing like the 40mm Vickers used in the Hurricane IID and IV.....tell me more!
Tony Williams
Author: "Rapid Fire: The development of automatic cannon, heavy machine guns and their ammunition for armies, navies and air forces"
Details on my military gun and ammunition website:
http://website.lineone.net/~a_g_williams/
Military gun and ammunition discussion forum:
http://www.delphi.com/autogun/messages
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I would love to tell you more, but i'm afraid i don't know anymore. I had never known about it until i saw this picture.
I found the picture on a website and i was amazed because i hadn't seen a tempest with these cannons before either. You're right about them not looking like the Vickers 40mm, these cannons appear to be much longer.
probably an experimental model but it sure looks nice.
Gonna see if i can find anymore info
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and is it just me, or does the radiator on the AH temp look bigger than the one in the pic???
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The guns were Vickers P cannon, I think. (I have this stated in a couple of places, but I don't know how accurate the info is)
There is a tiny bit of info at
http://user.tninet.se/~ytm843e/tempest.htm
which is the best Tempest site I have seen on the net. Go to the Armament - Misc section.
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acording to that site, we should have 200 rounds per gun of 20mm mk5 hispano,not 150 rpg
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Originally posted by Nashwan
The guns were Vickers P cannon, I think. (I have this stated in a couple of places, but I don't know how accurate the info is)
There is a tiny bit of info at
http://user.tninet.se/~ytm843e/tempest.htm
which is the best Tempest site I have seen on the net. Go to the Armament - Misc section.
Fascinating! The Vickers P gun wasn't a 40mm, it was a 47mm - see the article on it on my website.
I will have to amend the article; I had no idea they were actually fitted to an aircraft!
Tony Williams
Author: "Rapid Fire: The development of automatic cannon, heavy machine guns and their ammunition for armies, navies and air forces"
Details on my military gun and ammunition website:
http://website.lineone.net/~a_g_williams/
Military gun and ammunition discussion forum:
http://www.delphi.com/autogun/messages
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Ouch, there's a one-burst-popper for sure. I too am awaiting word on it's performance...could be interesting.
Wonder if AH would only make one available at a time due to its apparent singularity...
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Yes that is interesting. However at the current price of the tempest I wonder how many would use it in an attack role? If you dont mind losing perks then it would not be a problem:)
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This is not a bad idea!!! :O
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Meh. Not the oldest I've seen bumped. :D I am curious about this experimental setup though. :aok
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Hope this one wont get locked. :aok
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The a/c is serial number SN354 and was used for testing the 47mm 'P' gun.
'The Typhoon and Tempest Story' Thomas/Shores
Flight Report #1502
19-10-45
pilot - W. Humble
There is another photo in 'The Hawker Typhoon and Tempest' Francis Mason pg 125
Performance trials at Langley then to Boscombe Down for Service evaluation.
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This is not a bad idea!!! :O
Maybe, but bumping a 10 year old thread IS! IN!
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Maybe, but bumping a 10 year old thread IS! IN!
There's nothing in the forum posting rules about it, plus it saves memory. I don't see a reason why not.
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10- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.
Would have been better to post a link me thinks. IN.
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whatever the reason for bumping, milomorai has since posted new and useful information about this bird, so overall a worthy revival of a snoozing topic :aok
wonder what the 47mm ballistics were like :headscratch:
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I bet that if the rate of fire was high enough, you could fly backwards.
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Irony: The people who complain about bumping old threads are the same exact people who whine "use search function" when a new topic is posted on the same subject as said thread.
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whatever the reason for bumping, milomorai has since posted new and useful information about this bird, so overall a worthy revival of a snoozing topic :aok
wonder what the 47mm ballistics were like :headscratch:
RTH, if you go to Tony Williams excellent website you can check the ballistics of pretty much any weapon you desire.
:salute
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both his links are dead :(
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Irony: The people who complain about bumping old threads are the same exact people who whine "use search function" when a new topic is posted on the same subject as said thread.
I think it's a good thing to revive topics, it gives the opinion of a while ago giving people insight on the topic.
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both his links are dead :(
Ya I checked the links but I'm sure he still has a site up,I believe I was there just a week or so ago!
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Pgun.htm
Try that link,had it bookmarked!
:salute
PS: the second link is direct to the gun in question.
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ahh thanks, it must be a year or 2 since I checked his site for info on the molins, useful website :aok
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ah the good old days when Tony used to drop in to discuss guns.
If you do not have flying guns, it is a fantastic book.
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Were the cannons strictly air or were there plans to use it in an at role?
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Were the cannons strictly air or were there plans to use it in an at role?
Only if there are flying tanks.
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Irony: The people who complain about bumping old threads are the same exact people who whine "use search function" when a new topic is posted on the same subject as said thread.
...Because they add nothing that wasn't in the thread they didn't search for.
This:
Would have been better to post a link me thinks. IN.
wrongway
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trust thrila to suggest and you guys to punt this bonkers idea of a test plane.
I will +1 it anyhow, 47mm on a temp awesome!! :D
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Fascinating! The Vickers P gun wasn't a 40mm, it was a 47mm - see the article on it on my website.
I will have to amend the article; I had no idea they were actually fitted to an aircraft!
Tony Williams
Author: "Rapid Fire: The development of automatic cannon, heavy machine guns and their ammunition for armies, navies and air forces"
Details on my military gun and ammunition website:
http://website.lineone.net/~a_g_williams/ (http://website.lineone.net/~a_g_williams/)
Military gun and ammunition discussion forum:
http://www.delphi.com/autogun/messages (http://www.delphi.com/autogun/messages)
Heh, I added the blurb to Wikipedia's article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tempest#Tempest_Mark_V an article by an A G Williams http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Pgun.htm as a reference... :lol