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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lazs2 on January 13, 2002, 11:22:49 AM
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Yep.. Why not? It is a fairly simple and fun solution to the attention starved, talentless lone, suicide fluff menace. Think about it... They would be an absolute blast to fly but only if there were a buff to rocket up to. With their limited range and poor manueverability they would not be used as fighter interceptors and so, not cause any kind of imbalance. Indeed... their
fluff intercepting ability would be a game balancing feature that all except (possibly) fluff drivers would appreciate and who really cares what they think in any case?
Fluffs would be forced to fly in formations and with escort and not simply find the nearest fight where everyone was engaged at 5k and lower (having fun) and then milkrun the fighter hangers. The strat of the game would be enchanced. unlike now, It would be easy to get people to give up a good fight and intercept the lone suicidefluff . It would be fun to do and.... fun to watch! Imagine the rocket trail going straight up! Imagine the cheering as another no talent milkrunning fluffer turns into a ball of fire before he can drop his lazer guided smart bombs on a couple of lean too's and stop the action... Imagine the chutes that will be available for killing!
lazs
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Rather melodramatic there laz, "Imagine the cheering as another no talent milkrunning fluffer turns into a ball of fire.:rolleyes:
I disagree with your reasons, but I do think the Me163 would be a real neat addition to AH. Very fun toy.
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so karnak... you wouldn't use one to intercept a lone fluff that was milkrunning a field? And really...
The cheering would be deafening. Allmost as loud as the laughter.
lazs
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"High-alt buff inbound field!"
"Augering."
30 seconds later, "Did you see that buff explode!?"
I'm afraid I have to agree with the buff proponents on this one, there wouldn't be much left for them here if that happens.
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A 163 would be a great addition to the current set of planes. It will defintally give those 35K b17's some trouble :)
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163 is NEEDED in the game. Should only be avaliable in the large fields though (to balance out any potential impact of them being used as last minute defense... imagine, field is capped, goon about to drop into town.. ZOOOOM comes a 163 out of the hangar at 500mph and kamikaze's into the goon!)
It is NEEDED to stop this (b17 at 36k):
Note: I was in a ta152 and the buff constantly kept climbing and turning the whole time. It ended up OUTCLIMBING the 152 at that alt, I chased it all the way to A21 from A30 in Mindanao terrain.
The buff got me in a d1.2 spray.
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kieran... what you gotta ask yourself is.... "why would someone auger (suicide) so that they could grab a 163 to kill a fluff ? Then ya gotta ask... "why would suiciding so that you could grab a 163 and have a huge impact on the fluff gameplay be any more wrong than what the fluffers are doing right now and the huge lopsided effect they are having on fighter gameplay?
I believe that it would simply make lone suicide
fluffing as impractical as it is unrealistic.
lazs
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In many ways I agree with you, Lazs; nothing more I hate to see than that 35K Lanc headed to my field just as I am enjoying the best kill run I've had in weeks. OTOH I have to recognize it took that guy 45 minutes to get there.
Now to me it is annoying as hell to have him up there, 15K above his published ceiling and with engine performance and maneuverability far beyond what can be done with any fighter in the game, but he is only one plane. The damage he does can be quickly undone, so if he wishes to take advantage of characteristics his plane was in reality clearly incapable of, no real harm done. And, it does give me something else to shoot down when things are slow. If several of them come over with escort, then it is in coordination with their side and once again I clearly can't argue with an attempt to take a field.
If we allow 163's, I dunno... I almost think that crosses a line we shouldn't cross. Don't get me wrong, I would streak away like a shot to train those potato lobbers at those high buffs. Perhaps if the 163's were located around resource targets I wouldn't have a problem, but around every field? I don't think so.
Whether I fly bombers or not I have to accept them as a viable form of play, and anything that makes flying them unviable is to be avoided.
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I think a '163' would be fun and probablity take a lot more skill to fly and land than expected. It would have to be 'perked' to some degree or the sky would be full of them but other than that, I say 'light the match......"
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Wot the hell is with the gay pink type?? Does our Lazs (the one and only) mean Buffs?? And by pink... are they gay?
Love to see the Komet in AH... tho they'd prolly assigin a perk value of 10 gazzillion... to make fluff killing PC.
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A 163 would be a great addition.
50-100 perks and only enough fuel to climb to say 30-35k requiring a vulnerable glide back to base should limit it sufficiently.
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As you know I've been pushing for a He-162 for ages. I don't thing the 162 would have nearly the impact on the bombers as a rocket powered glider would.
I agree the the bombers in the game tend to have characteristics that the real buffs of WW2 did not. However, the bullets in AH don't have the characteristic of making you permanetly dead either, so it all kinda balances out.
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Originally posted by Kieran
"High-alt buff inbound field!"
"Augering."
30 seconds later, "Did you see that buff explode!?"
I'm afraid I have to agree with the buff proponents on this one, there wouldn't be much left for them here if that happens.
So.. those 1.5k killing .50s won't work on He-162s?
Seems to me many buff pilots would be glad to have another perk plane to take shots at.
AKDejaVu
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Dunno, AK. This one seems different to me. With a power-on time of 6-7 minutes, 16,000fpm climb (2.6 minutes to 30K), possible 600mph attacks from above, and two 30mm wad up into something pretty lethal. Of course it all would come down to expense and availability.
I won't disagree about the buff gun range, but those .50's can't kill what they can't hit. That is one small target for any gunner, and the high rate of closure will be a small window of opportunity.
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Sorry, thats not how it would be. Heres how it would be. Me163 launches after formation of B17s. It climbs up into the formation. At a range of D1.2 the me163 explodes. Oppps, a single bullet must have hit the Jstoff fuel tank.
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I dunno... them things are tiny and FAST.. Even with the concession ridden "all guns slaved to one" that fluffers enjoy... It would be hard to hit em plus... I believe that you might just see more than one 163 taking off to kill the killjoy. Lotta pent up resentment out there..
lazs
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At some point in the future, yes.
Right now, no.
Too many other planes I would rather see added, P47M, Spit14, etc......
Like has been said earlier, with the current strat system, what does the buff REALLY accomplish when he comes over and hits a field? Nothing. Oh, the hangar will be down for a few minutes, but a resupply puts it back up real quick.
You don't like a buff coming over and hitting the field while you are down furring, "having fun"? Ignore him then, simple as that.
Who says the buff pilot isn't having fun? You deserve to have fun more than a buff pilot? More than a little selfish IMO. Ignore the buff, go on furring, have all the fun you want. All adding the Komet would do is penalize buff pilots for doing what they enjoy, PLUS, the LW gets ANOTHER low production toy, while other planes just as important, like the Spit14, remain left out in the cold.
The hi alt performance of the buffs needs looked at, no doubt about it. No way should a buff be able to outmaneuver a fighter at alt, and at speed. I am wondering if somewhere in the coding in AH, the hi alt data is off just a tad. Seen too many B-17's split-S away from fighters in the arenas, which is total BS.
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eddiek... the planes you mention are just high cost perk rides that no one will ever use anyway.. They will simply be useless and anoying..
Nothing I can think of would have the "fun factor" or novelty value of the 163 and still not create a fighter imbalance. As for killing lone suicide fluffs ?? Well... yeah! who cares if you spoil their fun? Seriously... they don't deserve to have "fun" at so many others expense. Their "fun" is lopsided compared to their effort (wasting time is not "effort"). The 163 would only affect the single or two bomber unescorted suicide mission. And no.... I can't ignore them taking down the field to fighters for "a few minutes" every few minutes. They are not doing anything but milkrunning. I don't care about their fun when weighed against the fun of dozens of other players.
lazs
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lazs, you mean YOU might not ever use the P47M or the Spit14? I don't see how you can speak for all the players in AH. Just because they would be perk planes doesn't mean they won't be used. I don't fly the perk planes we have because none of them interest me. Simple as that. If we ever get the P47M, you will see me in one all the time, as long as I have the perk points to get in one and fly.
What I see here is pretty much a difference of opinion. You have the right to yours, I have the right to mine, everyone else has the same privilege.
Now, reading into your initial post, what I detect is a pure dislike for buffs in general. And from what I can gather, it is based mainly on your desire to just go out and have fun and furrball endlessly. Nothing wrong with that, if that is what you like. You don't like it when they come over and take out hangars. I can see where that would make you mad, because they are messing with "your" version of fun.
Tell me again, I think you posted sometime in the past about it: You would prefer to have NO bombers in AH, is this correct, or am I reading too much into your statements?
Your gonna find all kinds of personalities in any online game. And don't take that as a slur or me putting you down. I don't know you, you don't know me.
I just personally think you have a really deep dislike of anyone or anything who doesn't play the game the way you want, and if you had your way, everyone would play exactly by your set of rules, or they would not play at all.
Fair enough. I get a kick out of reading these posts because I can usually get a feel for a person just from what they say and how they say it.
The simplest solution to your problem with buffs, if I am correct in my assessment of your feelings about them, is for you to just set up your own H2H arena, disable all buffs, and furball to your hearts content. That way no one will come along in a bomber and disturb your fun.
Now, back to the original topic of the Me163, if and when they add it, I think it should only be available at strategic targets, such as the HQ, city, etc, and field placed on the map within a short distance of each target for the purpose of defending the target.
On the topic of bombers disrupting your fun, in conclusion all I can say is live with it. I don't think I would be too far from the truth if I said that for every player in the game, there is something they did not like about it. There is lots I do not like about it, but my personal attitude is what I just suggested to you: I live with it, go on, do what I want to do. If I can't, I log off and do something in the "real world".
Imagine what it would be like if HTC added crater damage to the runways...........then buffs would just fly over, crater the runways and the field would be REALLY screwed up. HHHmmm.....not a bad idea now that I think about it.........
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i used to do that all the time back in the old days drop big bombs on the runway and when planes crashed and died u would get the kill lol.
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Boo-fluff'n Hoo, hey are not playing like Laz wants!
I would fly the 163, though.....
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The 163 would be a lot of fun. Of course it should explode in a spectacular manner occasionally while the engine is running, while the engine is off, when landing, when sitting still, when it is thought about in a vaugely negative manner by an opposing aircraft, ect.. ;)
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With the 30 mm's you wouldn't hit squat going at 500mph or so. Dead 6 or 12 might work, but it's quite suicidal because of
1) the buff guns
2) the 163 is a flying can of highly flammable rocket fuel.
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Unperked 163s sound like quite a bit of fun IMO.
Hooligan
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S!
Include 'em by all means...
And include the historical possibility they will detonate inflight, or turn over during takeoff, or turn over during landing, both of which will turn the pilot into jello when the T-Stoff pours out on him... ;)
The 163 had 9 kills in all its time in action. Far more than that number of German pilots bit the big one flying them.
They were a political project, approved cause old Uncle Adolf thought the idea was suitably Aryan.
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I am happy to se so many historic educated people discussing the historic role of the 163.
But we are in AcesHigh Main Arena Land.
Not in Brandis, Germany.
Yes, certainly someone will take this rocket to kill one lousy strato buff, who climbed for one hour to take down two hangars.
But most will take this fast, well armed and very agile fighter for close field defence.
Why should anybody climb to the sky, if he could hunt down low La7's or G10. The Me163 would give us a new kind of boom 'n zoom.
Be careful, what you wish, you might get it.
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163 would be fun, but not really necessary to stop buffs, since fields can be resupplied with a tenth of the effort it takes to shut them down.
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"by pink... are they gay?"
The grandest line in the great whole topic. I swear he's the best straight man on these boards ;)
Westy
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Originally posted by lazs2
eddiek... the planes you mention are just high cost perk rides that no one will ever use anyway.. They will simply be useless and anoying..
Nothing I can think of would have the "fun factor" or novelty value of the 163 and still not create a fighter imbalance. As for killing lone suicide fluffs ?? Well... yeah! who cares if you spoil their fun? Seriously... they don't deserve to have "fun" at so many others expense. Their "fun" is lopsided compared to their effort (wasting time is not "effort"). The 163 would only affect the single or two bomber unescorted suicide mission. And no.... I can't ignore them taking down the field to fighters for "a few minutes" every few minutes. They are not doing anything but milkrunning. I don't care about their fun when weighed against the fun of dozens of other players.
lazs
My goodness....what's next after the buffs Lazs? P-51's?
:)
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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Lasz, I dont know what your problem is, but you come across vain as a peacock and as graceless as a bowl of toejame in the morning.
You seem determined to display a stunning arrogance, combined with an almost schizophrenic ability to first contradict yourself and then pretend it never happened. In one thread (fields need to be closer) you ask rhetorically "Who am I to critique others fun?" only to in the next thread (this one) blurt out " they don't deserve to have "fun".
One would think you learned something from that…but nooo... Instead you babble on like a baboon undergoing shock treatment about how the MA should be changed to fit your desires.
Claiming to speak for the majority, using K/T stats to discredit anyone who disagrees with you.
You advocate an outrageously biased point of view, slander anyone who disagrees with your latest little pet idea on how to improve your valued statistics, and you are in fact a walking, talking argument in favor of dropping the stats page altogether .. *bites tounge* (must remember that lasz is not representative of the BB population, if he was, the entire BB we would have managed to sink itself into the ocean in some clumsy way).
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eddiek.. I don't know if you will fly the 47M "all the time" or not. I can't speak for anyone except myself. I can observe and report tho. there are plenty of very interesting and uber perk rides allready and their use is nill. If you flew the 47M "all the time" and you were the only person it would still appear to me (and the stats) that it was a "useless" addition.
I have no problem with people "messing with my version of fun" but they should have to earn it eh? I mean, it would be "fun" for me to have the ability to kick people out of the arena at a whim... Why can't I have my fun doing that? What gives the fluffers the right to ruin so many others fun for so little effort? Climbing for an hour is not effort. By taking out a few hangers he is not doing anything but screaming for attention and being a spoilsport. Make it expensive for him by adding some realism and fun to the game.
From what I have read about the 163 it would be lousy at "chasing down low level La7's" or any kind of fighter interception for that matter. .. Especially, if it had that cool rocket trail behind it. Given the AH fuel modifier.... How long do you think those things will be under power anyway?
As for "historically" blowing up? fine but lets model some of the jap engine problems etc. Far as I can see the biggest problem with the 163 was not blowing up but the landing gear release and the actual landing itself.
lazs
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Ok hortlund fess up... which one of my former wives are you? You had me fooled at first when i looked at your stats cause all my former wives would be a lot more deadly than that but....
rude... well....yeah! duh.
lazs
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The only way a 163 will blow up is if both of the fuels mix together. That requires puncturing both fuel tanks or both fuel lines and mixing them together.
-SW
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They pretty much sorted out the Me163 in the end, it wasnt as safe as prop fighters of course but they got very good at manging its eccentricities. In facy they were planning and actually built a few prototypes new versions with retractible wheeled gear and a new two "speed" two seperate combustion chambers engine that would allow it to cruise under power for a much longer time.
But it was pointless in WW2 just too many bombers and too many roving escorts for the unpowered gliders after the rockets went dry, although I have read the Me163 was incredibly manuverable.
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Weren't the prototypes for the 263? With a 15 minute liquid fuel rocket motor and rectractable landing gear? I've heard reports of up to 4 30mm cannons and load outs for R4M (or some other type of A2A rocket)... any of that true?
-SW
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Lazs is a real class act. I have never seen anyone more determined to get something done. Lazs has a point, yes, but right now he assumes he is the "Chosen One" as he figures that only he can "fix" the MA for a majority of the players. That takes skill. He figures if he can't get rid of bombers, then lets make it easier to kill them. They seem to be the only chink in his armor of "fun" in the MA. He's like a stubborn preacher. His way is the only way.
Another example. Here he says that us bomber pilots don't deserve to have fun, because we can, in a single "suicide" sortie, stop a furball (affect a majority of the players) if we wanted. Well, that's how I choose to play, but if Lazs thinks that way, then I don't think that he deserves to have fun, because he keeps trying to remove bombers. Not fun being on the same side of the coin, is it Lazs?
Face it, bombers are a part of this game, whether you like it or not, Lazs. There are others out there who value your opinion, and you can go whine to them. Right now, I have fun doing what I do...and I really don't care if you or anyone likes it or not. I am not a dedicated buffer, but I do like flying them. If I "ruin" a few people fun on the way, then who cares? Like Dennis Leary said: "I gotta go out and have fun at others expense."
Thankfully buffs will be fixed in 1.09, and hopefully everyone can have fun their way. Lazs, you are not right all the time, and all the preaching and talking you do leads nowhere. You put in great arguments, but every single time you do you end up sounding like a broken record. "Fluffs this" and "Fluffs that" as we seem to be the only ones who affect a majority of the players. But I won't listen, and all the stats in the world will not get bombers removed from the game.
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Lazs doesn't like fluffs because they aren't even modelled at 50%...
The bomb sight doesn't take time to calibrate.
There is no bomb dispersion, duds, or wind shear effects on bombs.
You can hop into a bomber, fly it in tight circles with your rudder from the rear gunner position and destroy virtually any fighter dumb enough to attempt to attack you.
In the end, there is no "skill" or well anything more than pushing a button to flying a bomber in Aces High.
So he's right, in the end the impact bombers have far outweighs their difficulty unlike in reality where the bombers difficulty far outweighed it's impact.
-SW
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Originally posted by Stain
Lazs doesn't like fluffs because they aren't even modelled at 50%...
The bomb sight doesn't take time to calibrate.
There is no bomb dispersion, duds, or wind shear effects on bombs.
You can hop into a bomber, fly it in tight circles with your rudder from the rear gunner position and destroy virtually any fighter dumb enough to attempt to attack you.
In the end, there is no "skill" or well anything more than pushing a button to flying a bomber in Aces High.
So he's right, in the end the impact bombers have far outweighs their difficulty unlike in reality where the bombers difficulty far outweighed it's impact.
-SW
Yup.
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texace... I'm not allways right? Now you've gone and hurt my feelings!
Look... with the 163 the fluffs would still have a chance to ruin gameplay and bring attention to themsellves... They would simply have to earn it. They would still have every chance that 10 guns all slaved to one steady platform has. They would still have lazer guided bombs and it would still take zero talent to fly em. It's just that one person in one ac would have the chance to stop ONE other persons , fluffers , attention starved and selfish bull.
It appears that you want a milkrun and not have anything affect your gameplay yet... you wish to continue to have an enormous and lopsided effect on everyone elses. Plus... you wish to do the damage that 20 planes and 200 crew members do all by yourself. You seem to feel that this is fair to the rest of us.
lazs
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Lazs, it's tearing me up, so I gotta ask it. Have I had you as a patient on the psyche ward I worked in last year? I swear, your syntax and selfishness remind me of some of the bipolar and borderline personality types we had there................ As for "milkrunning", most people when they "milkrun" don't fly over a field swarming with fighters. They go to an undefended field, drop their bombs, then rtb. They haven't "earned" the right to have fun? "Ruining gameplay", "By taking out a few hangers he is not doing anything but screaming for attention and being a spoilsport. Make it expensive for him by adding some realism and fun to the game", sheesh lazs, wtf are YOU doing?
Your posts are IMO nothing more than the cries of a spoilsport who doesn't get his way all the time, so he wants EVERYONE to be miserable as he is.
How about adding this realism to the game: If you die more than 2 times in one hour you are locked out of the arena, or better yet, if you die ONE time, you are locked out of the arena for 24 hours? Or permanently?
Keep 'em coming lazs, this is getting fun now! ;)
BTW, for those of you who haven't gotten used to lazs style, here is the key to his code: Everytime you see the words "everyone", "we", or the phrase "all of us", replace it with "lazs" and you will totally understand where he is coming from.
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Your drooling.
bowser
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Me, bowser?
Huh uh......I was one of the staff, not a patient.....hehehe
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eddiek.. I think it would be fair to say that it was a milkrun when everyone is busy fighting at 5k or less and you come over at 15k in a lone fluff . I would also claim that regardless of how much "fun" you were having with your suggestion of 1 death per 24hrs.... I don't think that most people would go for it. It might even be called a "crazy" suggestion. I know we're not suppossed to use that word around you people who "work" at mental hospitals but I don't know the PC one.
if there was some other point of mine that you rebuted.... I missed it.
lazs
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Ahh.......I see now....I will put it where you can understand it then lazs............
Earlier in this thread you made allegations about buff pilots "ruining gameplay", which when you get right down to it, is a crock. They enhance the gameplay, they add variety to AH as a whole. I don't fly buffs very much as a whole, hardly at all, but are they annoying to me? Do they ruin my gameplay? Not hardly. They are targets, and I decided whether or not to go after them or ignore them.
You talked about buff pilots, especially those who fly over a field, or near a furrball as milkrunning and said they didn't deserve the right to have fun, or as you put it: "I can't ignore them taking down the field to fighters for "a few minutes" every few minutes. They are not doing anything but milkrunning. I don't care about their fun when weighed against the fun of dozens of other players. "
Based soley on that remark alone, and your other posts imply the same, you think you, lazs, have more right to have fun than anyone else. You mention dozens of other players, well, where are their posts supporting you?
If a pilot comes over at 15K and you are at 5K, you CAN ignore him, if you choose to do so. But you seem so fixated on everyone doing things exactly the way you want, when you want it, you overlook the fact that each player in AH has the fly however he or she wants to. Your little "fluffs" labels only point out your motivation. Don't want them coming over and bombing your field? What, do you fly something that will only climb to 10K or so? Climb up there, kill them a few times, they get the picture pretty quick I have found, and they find another field. How many times have you decided to intercept them before they get to your field and wipe out hangars? If you say "none", then you are nothing more than spoiled and self-centered, and you "deserve" to have your "fun" spoiled as often as possible.
Maybe the Dickweed Heavy Bomber Group can come over and just level the whole field you are at, not just one or two hangars. Then you can move to another field like the rest of us do, get in a plane, and go fight some more.
Fly the game the way you want lazs, nothing wrong with that. But stop trying to "ruin" it for those who don't play exactly the way you want them to. Buff drivers have a place in the sim, just as people like you do.
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Give Lazs a break. His hatred of buffs obviously comes from a deep seeded fear of them after being molested by them so often. You see, to Lazs , he's like Ned Beatty, and the buffs are like a toothless grinning redneck with a hard on. That could cause anyone to be at least a little off kilter, wouldn't ya say? ;)
SOB
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Originally posted by SOB
Give Lazs a break. His hatred of buffs obviously comes from a deep seeded fear of them after being molested by them so often. You see, to Lazs , he's like Ned Beatty, and the buffs are like a toothless grinning redneck with a hard on. That could cause anyone to be at least a little off kilter, wouldn't ya say? ;)
SOB
I dasn't want ta know how many times ya musta watched that movie, the very idear tha' ya could draw such an analogy franky scares the bejezzus outta me.
But tell me da truth, don't ya think he has a purty mouth?
C'mon squeal... squeal like a pig!:D
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eddiek you are still missing the point... They don't deserve to have fun when it is at the expense of so many and for so little effort and skill required. I don't know how much more simply I can say it for you. If we had the 163 then the 163 drivers would put in an equal amount of effort to kill them....
sob... simply say no and fluff drivers will pout on off np, but....
you do have a pretty mouth, especially when that lower lip quivers.... Not that there's anything wrong with that..
"sob (sob) v., sobbed, sob•bing, n.— v.i.1. to weep with a convulsive catching of the breath. 2. to make a sound resembling this. — v.t.3. to utter with sobs. 4. to put, send, etc., by sobbing or with sobs: to sob oneself to sleep. "
lazs
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The plane would definatly be made a perkplane, do we all agree? An expensive one too.
During the time that the plane was used, more of them were lost due to crashes while landing than the number of planes they ever shot down. When the plane landed, the small left overs of rocketfuel could explode from the slightest bumb.
So on average it would inevitably lead to losing your perk points. Tough the ever biased Lazs probably would use all of his perks to kill bomberpilots.
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Guys, give up trying to change Lazs (http://media01.devnull.com/up-men-00273.jpg). Lazs (http://media01.devnull.com/up-men-00273.jpg) is a steadfast man of conviction. Lazs (http://media01.devnull.com/up-men-00273.jpg) stands for what he feels is right for the game, not letting his own mental issues prevent him from speaking his peace. You've got to admire Lazs (http://media01.devnull.com/up-men-00273.jpg) for this.
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LOL
You know...I kinda suspected that was what Lazs looked like.
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I thought that buff super-accurracy was going to be changed in 1.09? That would make any buffing over 25k pretty useless, and they'd probably have to come down to 12K or so just to hit a target the size of a hangar.
I'd like to see Me-163's available at the HQ only. Buffs would be helpless if they were available everywhere.
ra
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Keez:
There would kind of be no point to the 163 if it were perked.
Hooligan
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I see yer point hb. I had just as much luck talking to the patients on the ward as I do trying to talk to LAZS .
Never mind anyway, just got my DSL up and running after reformatting my system. Downloaded AH, DirectX 8.1, the ultimate sound package, ping plotter, all in less than 5 minutes! WOO HOO!:D
Guess I am gonna start flying buffs, find out where old
LAZS is and come over and spoil his fun a few times. Too bad his plane won't climb over 10K, he could come kill me EZ in a buff, IF he knows how to attack one...hehehe
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eddiek.. I don't know if I "know how to attack one" or not but I do Ok against em. Killing fluffs however is a pretty boring and risky proposition. It very much reminds me of fighting AI which I am trying to avoid by playing an online sim. To risk my neck to kill such a boring and overmodeled target is not in the least fun. You can't ruin their fun because they obviously have a different idea of fun than 95% of the rest of us (based on numbers of fighters vs fluffs seen in the arena). If they did realistic damage or.... damage equal to the amount of skill they require then you would see even less of em.
I do think that it would be a good idea if more fluffers killed more FH's tho. It would bring my point out even better.
I don't think the 163 should be perked any more than fluffs should be perked... less really. the 163 would not affect gameplay much. They would not be a good fighter killer and indeed, a poor choice for that . they would only be good for killing fluffs and even then, they would only be ruining the fun of one guy who had about an even chance of ruining the 163 pilots fun.
lazs
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Buffing air fields was apart of WW2, do you think Germany would quit buffing bases at the request of Britain or visa versa? (it was a relief to the Raf when LW started to bomb cities)
AH is, as was WW2, done as a whole, not in parts. There are/were fighters, bombers, GVs and logistics availible to each country (or player) to do with as they see fit.
Now buffs are trivial and inconvient at the most, not like it was in V1.07 when a buff was on the way to HQ, city or base scrambled all availible fighters to intercept them before they could do their damage. Now you just wait for them with a box of super supply.
Blindman
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Originally posted by Mikepb42
The 163 would be a lot of fun. Of course it should explode in a spectacular manner occasionally while the engine is running, while the engine is off, when landing, when sitting still, when it is thought about in a vaugely negative manner by an opposing aircraft, ect.. ;)
That's it!! Thats the answer - great big piles of fun with the odd random death due to holding you rmouth wrong. :D
I think this would be the way to introduce it and make it worth say, 30 perk points. That way its enough points to make you think twice about taking it if there is a chance you may blow up if the crew chief dropped his dead match within a 300 yd radius.
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lol, and give the 163 the old P-38 damage model too.. 1 ping and its over. :D :D
Laz, the 163 would be MAJORLY destabilizing if it was unperked. It is not an effective fighter killer? Man, with big tater guns and a rocket engine on your ass, with only a few minutes of fuel ...do you think they will be nice and get on your 6? Hell no, you'd be facing off a dozen of these things HO'ing everyone in sight.
And remember, the airfields are currently 1 or 2 sectors away.. a 163 can easily fly NOE to them , effectively becoming a piloted "SAM" battery.
Not to mention kamikaze'ing the goonies about to drop over town.. right now a capped field allows anyone dumb enuf to try to up in it to have enough time to pop in runway or hangar, start engine and roll a little bit.. thats about 1 or 2 seconds before it gets vulched. A 163? Turn on engine and WHOOSH. you're already at 300mph.
The 163 should ONLY be avaliable as a 20 perk plane in LARGE fields.
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That doesn't look like Lazs at all. Lazs is a short fat bald guy and it is very cruel to pick on him.
Hooligan
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This is no way against laz. But i took eddiek suggestions and replaced all Lazs posts, they, use, like eddiek said here is the result read and have a laugh.
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Yep.. Why not? It is a fairly simple and fun solution to the attention starved, talentless lone, suicide fluff menace. Think about it... LAZ would be an absolute blast to fly but only if there LAZre a buff to rocket up to. With their limited range and poor manueverability LAZ would not be used as fighter interceptors and so, not cause any kind of imbalance. Indeed... their
fluff intercepting ability would be a game balancing feature that all except (possibly) fluff drivers would appreciate and who really cares what LAZ think in any case?
Fluffs would be forced to fly in formations and with escort and not simply find the nearest fight where LAZ was engaged at 5k and loLAZr (having fun) and then milkrun the fighter hangers. The strat of the game would be enchanced. unlike now, It would be easy to get people to give up a good fight and intercept the lone suicidefluff . It would be fun to do and.... fun to watch! Imagine the rocket trail going straight up! Imagine the cheering as another no talent milkrunning fluffer turns into a ball of fire before he can drop his lazer guided smart bombs on a couple of lean too's and stop the action... Imagine the chutes that will be available for killing!
lazs
so karnak... you wouldn't use one to intercept a lone fluff that was milkrunning a field? And really...
The cheering would be deafening. Allmost as loud as the laughter.
lazs
kieran... what you gotta ask yourself is.... "why would someone auger (suicide) so that LAZ could grab a 163 to kill a fluff ? Then ya gotta ask... "why would suiciding so that you could grab a 163 and have a huge impact on the fluff gameplay be any more wrong than what the fluffers are doing right now and the huge lopsided effect LAZ are having on fighter gameplay?
I believe that it would simply make lone suicide
fluffing as impractical as it is unrealistic.
lazs
I dunno... them things are tiny and FAST.. Even with the concession ridden "all guns slaved to one" that fluffers enjoy... It would be hard to hit em plus... I believe that you might just see more than one 163 taking off to kill the killjoy. Lotta pent up resentment out there..
lazs
eddiek... the planes you mention are just high cost perk rides that no one will ever use anyway.. LAZ will simply be useless and anoying..
Nothing I can think of would have the "fun factor" or novelty value of the 163 and still not create a fighter imbalance. As for killing lone suicide fluffs ?? LAZll... yeah! who cares if you spoil their fun? Seriously... LAZ don't deserve to have "fun" at so many others expense. Their "fun" is lopsided compared to their effort (wasting time is not "effort"). The 163 would only affect the single or two bomber unescorted suicide mission. And no.... I can't ignore them taking down the field to fighters for "a few minutes" every few minutes. LAZ are not doing anything but milkrunning. I don't care about their fun when LAZighed against the fun of dozens of other players.
lazs
eddiek.. I don't know if you will fly the 47M "all the time" or not. I can't speak for anyone except myself. I can observe and report tho. there are plenty of very interesting and uber perk rides allready and their use is nill. If you flew the 47M "all the time" and you LAZre the only person it would still appear to me (and the stats) that it was a "useless" addition.
I have no problem with people "messing with my version of fun" but LAZ should have to earn it eh? I mean, it would be "fun" for me to have the ability to kick people out of the arena at a whim... Why can't I have my fun doing that? What gives the fluffers the right to ruin so many others fun for so little effort? Climbing for an hour is not effort. By taking out a few hangers he is not doing anything but screaming for attention and being a spoilsport. Make it expensive for him by adding some realism and fun to the game.
From what I have read about the 163 it would be lousy at "chasing down low level La7's" or any kind of fighter interception for that matter. .. Especially, if it had that cool rocket trail behind it. Given the AH fuel modifier.... How long do you think those things will be under poLAZr anyway?
As for "historically" blowing up? fine but lets model some of the jap engine problems etc. Far as I can see the biggest problem with the 163 was not blowing up but the landing gear release and the actual landing itself.
lazs
Ok hortlund fess up... which one of my former wives are you? You had me fooled at first when i looked at your stats cause all my former wives would be a lot more deadly than that but....
rude... LAZll....yeah! duh.
lazs
texace... I'm not allways right? Now you've gone and hurt my feelings!
Look... with the 163 the fluffs would still have a chance to ruin gameplay and bring attention to themsellves... LAZ would simply have to earn it. LAZ would still have every chance that 10 guns all slaved to one steady platform has. LAZ would still have lazer guided bombs and it would still take zero talent to fly em. It's just that one person in one ac would have the chance to stop ONE other persons , fluffers , attention starved and selfish bull.
It appears that you want a milkrun and not have anything affect your gameplay yet... you wish to continue to have an enormous and lopsided effect on LAZ elses. Plus... you wish to do the damage that 20 planes and 200 crew members do all by yourself. You seem to feel that this is fair to the rest of us.
lazs
eddiek.. I think it would be fair to say that it was a milkrun when LAZ is busy fighting at 5k or less and you come over at 15k in a lone fluff . I would also claim that regardless of how much "fun" you LAZre having with your suggestion of 1 death per 24hrs.... I don't think that most people would go for it. It might even be called a "crazy" suggestion. I know LAZ're not suppossed to use that word around you people who "work" at mental hospitals but I don't know the PC one.
if there was some other point of mine that you rebuted.... I missed it.
lazs
eddiek you are still missing the point... LAZ don't deserve to have fun when it is at the expense of so many and for so little effort and skill required. I don't know how much more simply I can say it for you. If LAZ had the 163 then the 163 drivers would put in an equal amount of effort to kill them....
sob... simply say no and fluff drivers will pout on off np, but....
you do have a pretty mouth, especially when that loLAZr lip quivers.... Not that there's anything wrong with that..
"sob (sob) v., sobbed, sob•bing, n.— v.i.1. to LAZep with a convulsive catching of the breath. 2. to make a sound resembling this. — v.t.3. to utter with sobs. 4. to put, send, etc., by sobbing or with sobs: to sob oneself to sleep. "
lazs
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geeze... maybe I am humor impaired but the linux aussies post makes absolutely no sense to me. It looks like gibberish. Maybe that is why he enjoys eddiek? I would say the changes to my posts prove that eddiek, once again, didn't do his homework.
Tac... maybe... but I doubt it. This thing will have a (or should have a) rocket trail that my grandmother could see and I really think they would be way easier to avoid a HO with than even 262's.. How many guys die to 262 HO's now?
Far as handling... On a scale of 1-10 with a fokker dr1 at 1 and a 262 at 8... the 163 would be about 27.
lazs