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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tac on January 13, 2002, 11:29:17 AM
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First of all, THANKS for fixing the balsa wood 38 damage model in this version. Im ecstatic :)
There are a few minor things I would like to ask to be taken care of in next version if possible.
1) Flap autoretracting : 40% of my deaths come from this. 38 manouvering with flaps down, the flaps auto retract and they make the plane's wings dip violently. Since flaps down means the 38 is engaged in a turning manouver, this effectively screws up any fight you're in. Asked Widewing if the 38 had this feature, here's his answer : http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27973
Please disable the auto flap retract. 38's flaps would rip out if they were not retracted before the plane achieved certain speed (I think it was 320mph). Would be nice to make the AH 38 not retract the flaps, but to make it "shake" if its above 250mph and has flaps down. I dont know if the "auto" settings widewing mentioned can be modeled, would be nice though. But that would be candy :)
2) 50 cal guns: They fire 1 at a time. Didnt the pilot pressing the trigger send the signal to all 4 guns to fire? In AH you can tap the trigger and fire only 1 round off. This also got me thinking as to why the heck I kill faster with a Bpony's 4 .50's than the 38's... then it hit me that the bpony fires TWO guns while 38 fires 1 at any point in time. Thats twice the rate of fire. Didnt the 38 virtually fire all 4 guns at once? It also makes me wonder why ammo on the low ammo load 38 lasts so much longer than ammo on a bpony (38=200rpgun, bpony=250+ rpg)... bpony fires 2 at a time it seems. Pls make the 38 fire all 4 guns when you press the trigger, not just 1. Maybe thats why the nose gun "punch" is so lacking in AH? 1 bullet at a time dont fall in same place when shooting a moving target. http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27765&highlight=dive+flaps (info from widewing posted there, I tried to follow up to the original thread but the BBS change dont let the link work, sorry :( ) Edit: YAY! found it! http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26963&highlight=guns
3) Take a 38 to 33k and dive it 90 degrees down with wep on. No wind layers. The plane will go to 510 mph or so compressed.. will never break apart (wind layers will push it to 550 until it hits denser air, where it slows down to 510'ish).. you can even pull out by using elev trim at 5k. The 38 could dive faster than that (with high risk of breaking apart of course!). Is there a "block" that prevents the 38 from diving to its doom? (does mach# really "brake" a plane in such a powerdive?)
4) DIVE FLAPS. http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26424&highlight=dive+flaps 'nuff said
PLEASE fix dive flaps and fowler flap auto-retracting, they #1 priority for the 38 imo. Its killing 38 performance as bad as if you took the WEP off the la7 and g10 :D *Grin*
And when can we expect the L's model to get ripped off its dive flaps, made a bit lighter, a bit faster and painted green? ;)
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Also fix single engine operation in twin engine aircraft. The whole "taxi on one engine but sit and spin instead" thing is highly inaccurate.
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About the taxiing on one engine. I always thought you could taxi on one engine also, but a few weeks ago, something happened in a Cessna 310 that changed my mind. This 310 is an old F model I think. It has a swept tail, but still the vertically mounted wing tip tanks, and the unsupercharged Continental IO-470's. This particular plane had the idle set a little low, and the right engine quit on us on the landing roll; I let the RPM's get a little too low with the fuel boost pump on and it flooded. Well, fuel injected engines can be a real pain in the bellybutton when they quit, especially when they hot flood. We had turned off of the active runway on momentum, and came to a stop on the other runway (at an uncontrolled field). We spent a minute or so letting people know what was going on and trying to get the engine started, and then we tried to taxi with one engine. Well, we couldn't even make it go straight. It was turning to the right even with left brakes and full left rudder as we advanced the left engine. We did get it started again after another minute or so, and the rest of the flight was fine, since we made sure to keep the RPM up a little more on landing.
I think I even posted on here about how it "should" be possible to taxi on one engine in a typical multi-engine airplane, and with my little experience with single engine taxiing in multi engine airplanes, maybe it is, but not in this one case.
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the good:
the single engine characteristics in AH are very good on the p38, mossie, bf110 I'm sure :D etc.
flakbait is smoking crack and wouldn't know what Vmc or single engine taxi was like with 1600hp a side engines and has obviously read nothing about the p38 and single engine taxing from a dead stop. (only tony levier could do it and only after taxiing at high speed in a circle to get momentum)
love the damage model on the p38! they still easy to kill but it takes more than a glancing pop shot from long range
love the p38 in general. its the airplane that keeps me flying aces high
the bad:
50cal should fire all 4 at once
elevator authority is extremely weak compared to other planes
divebrakes not much good
510mph tas vert dive from 50k is new ( AH p38 used to be able to overspeed and break up)
love the damage model on the p38! they still easy to kill but it takes more than a glancing pop shot from long range
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Not long ago I had to taxi a 1800hp-a-side turboprop on one engine (an EMB 120 Brasilia). It is a bit of a pain, but not unreasonable. In fact, a lot of power is a bonus during single engine taxi since you have to overcome opposite noseweel steering. I doubt that single engine taxi in a P-38 was a big issue. I'm pretty sure that a sudden and total loss of power on takeoff was pretty darn scary, though. Citabria, is there any specific physical explanation for why the 38 would have had such issues? Also, are you a "7ECA", a "7GCBC", or what?
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Just a note but if I recall correctly the P38 had a free-castoring nose wheel without a lock. That coupled with the large amount of asymetrical thrust and only one rudder in the prop wash would make me rather wary of believing it would be easy (or even possible under normal circumstances) to taxi a P38 on a single engine from a standstill.
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The "single bullet only" problem isn't unique to the P-38; I can do this for certain in the P-51's. I believe it is a quirk of the gunnery model and can be done with any of the aircraft in AH.
J_A_B
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"The "single bullet only" problem isn't unique to the P-38; I can do this for certain in the P-51's. I believe it is a quirk of the gunnery model and can be done with any of the aircraft in AH."
All planes do this, by tapping the fire button lightly shoots off a single bullet. I may have not been clear in my first post... take the P-51 and the P-38 gun systems as an example. Each have an primary and a secondary gun bank. (like all other planes).
In a P-51, the primary gun bank consists of 2 .50 cals (or 3 .50 cals in the 51D), the secondary of the other 2 (or 3) guns. The P-38's primary gun banks are the 4 .50's, the secondary is the 20mm.
Now, if you have your stick button # 1 mapped to fire the primary and button #2 to fire the secondary, the moment you click both the P-51 fires off TWO bullets at a time.. 1 from the primary gun bank, one from the secondary gun bank (the remaining guns fire in quick succession, but always 2 at a time). On a P-38 by comparison, firing the primary gun bank fires off ONE bullet a time, a 50% hitpower in comparison to the P-51B.
If you have your joystick mapped to fire both banks with 1 button, you're robbing yourself of 50% hitpower your plane can dish out!
Since the 38's guns allegedly fire "at convergence" in AH at any range their punch should be the same as a bpony's punch hitting at its convergence. Problem is, it isnt. The bpony hits twice as hard at convergence, because for every shot, its sending TWO bullets, the 38 sends one at a time. Bpony kills much, much faster. The 38's nose gun package punch is effectively nullified by it firing off 1 round at a time. The ammo load on the 38 also lasts much longer (low ammo load of course) because of this.
Sending the command to fire a gun bank should tell ALL guns in the bank to fire. Granted, each individual gun will not fire at the exact same nanosecond, but they will fire off, and each gun's refire rate is not identical either, but it will still be more than 1 gun firing. It should be that for every tap, all 4 mg's in the 38 receive the command..maybe 2 or more guns fire off at a time with the remaining guns firing a split microsecond behind..the bpony's the same).In AH each gun seems to receive its fire command per time you hold the trigger down..they seem to cycle, thus you can lightly tap the trigger and fire off 1 round..tap it again and the next gun in the cycle will shoot out 1 bullet...when every tap should make all guns in that bank fire.
Now, if the guns were fixed to fire all guns in bank per fire command, the P-51's hitpower and the 38's hitpower (in .50's) would be equalized.. because no matter if the 51B fires both banks at the same time, it will be 4 .50 guns firing off...same as the 38.
Pros (for all planes, not just the allied .50 armed planes):
Increased damage per burst. Heck, the LW may even get a HUGE benefit from this, their cannon rides would be lobbing out 2+ cannon rounds at a time instead of the 1-at-a-time-making-each-cannon-hit-woefully innefective). Heck maybe even the spitv's 4X .303's will hit as hard as ONE .50 cal for once.
cons: ammo wont last as long.
Another little thing that has me VERY curious on the 38 is its drag (or whatever, read below).
If you lign up with the runway going 200mph or less, full flaps down, kill the engines (turn them OFF) and attempt to land, the 38 will "float" over the runway without losing any speed...you actually have to pull the nose down and bump the plane into the ground to make its wheels hit the dirt in order to slow down with the wheel brakes (which btw, has very crappy brakes lol).. and even then the plane will take a looooooooong time to slow down. I can understand the loss of drag from the props no longer braking the plane, but to lose almost NO speed at all with full flaps down, elev trimmed fully down? Thats just weeeird. :)
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Tac, you and I are having totally different results with the gun thing.
When I fly the P-38, its firepower seems exactly as it should be--distinctly better than either of the P-51's. The P-38's 4 .50's are mroe effective than those on the P-51B.
For me, the P-38's ROF is the same as that of the other .50 armed fighters. My P-38 sucks up its ammo just as fast as it should--its ammo load certainly doesn't "last too long". I tested this offline before posting just now to verify, and on my system at least the P-38 fires as quickly as it should.
Although you CAN fire off just 1 round, this doesn't matter for overall firepower (at least not for me). Once you are shooting, all guns are firing at the normal ROF and hence overall firepower and ammo duration is not affected. Firepower is ONLY affected for that 1/10 second or so it takes for all the guns to start shooting--such a short time it doesn't matter.
I'm not saying you are lying. You fly the P-38 more than I ever will and certainly if it is acting up for you I am certain you'd notice. It's also interesting how you can apparently re-produce the problem in other fighters if you map all your guns to fire with 1 trigger. Since this simply does NOT happen in my experience and seems wierd, perhaps you are being victimized by a bug? Perhaps AH doesn't work right with certain control setups?
Kinda like me at night--I can't see a dang thing at night (even the cockpit is barely visible) but others CAN so I know the problem is something on my system.
J_A_B
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"For me, the P-38's ROF is the same as that of the other .50 armed fighters. My P-38 sucks up its ammo just as fast as it should--its ammo load certainly doesn't "last too long". I tested this offline before posting just now to verify, and on my system at least the P-38 fires as quickly as it should"
Its not the ROF, its the same for all 50 cals. All I say is the 51B fires TWO guns while 38 fires off 1 at a time. Get it? Its WHEN each gun fires off.
Grab a bpony, map "both guns" to your trigger button. Now tap the trigger lightly, you will fire off 1 rnd from each bank. thats TWO bullets fired simultaneously. P-38 fires off ONE .50 cal bullet only. See the difference? In any kind of shot the p51 is putting 2 bullets where the 38 puts one. This is especially important in snapshots.
What I say is that when you tell the guns (p51b) in each bank to fire, the fire command should fire BOTH guns in the bank. Aka, one tap in the trigger should tell your plane to fire FOUR bullets, 2 from each bank if you have your j-stick set to fire "both guns" with 1 trigger button. Right now it only fires half of what it should. In a P-38, that figure is not half of what it should , but ONE FOURTH of what it should.
I realized I was comparing results of the FULL load (2000rnds) 38 with the Bpony (1260 rnds) in earlier posts. My bad, I apologize. *bangs head against wall* stupid me stupid me. :p
Here's an interesting result I got when timing the ammo loads, constant fire using "FIRE BOTH" in 1 trigger button:
P-38 with 800 rnds of ammo firing 1 gun at a time depletes ammo in 15 seconds. Tap the button lightly it fires ONE round at a time.
P-51B with 400 rnds in each gun bank (=800, 200 rnds in each gun) firing TWO bullets at a time (using the fire BOTH button, tap it lightly, it fires 1 rnd out of each gun bank, aka, 2 bullets) depletes ammo in 15 seconds.
WTF? :confused: :eek:
I get 2 things out of this... either the 51b's guns fire off 2 slugs at a time (from 400 both gun banks ticked their ammo counters down at the same exact rate) and for some reason they get more ammo out of nowhere (to fire off all 800 rnds (each gun 200 rnds) of their ammo in the same 15 secs) or the 38's .50's ROF is higher than the bpony's in order to fire the same amount of lead while firing off 1 slug at a time.
Im getting a headache, can someone explain this please? :(
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Your reply intrigued me Tac. I wanted to see if I could re-produce what you describe.
My joystick is mapped with the main trigger being "fire both", and with 2 other buttons for "fire 1" and "fire 2". I only used the "fire both" trigger on this trial.
What you said about the initial burst is correct--you can fire off 1 slug at a time in the P-38L, but you fire no less than 2 in the P-51B. However, this does NOT affect the amount of lead you are throwing at the target--see below.
I timed how long it took for the P-51B to fire off a total of 200 rounds (100 out of each gun set). I then timed how long it took for the P-38L to fire 200 rounds (from 800 to 600). The times are identical, as near as I can tell. In either plane you are shooting the same number of bullets at a target in X amount of time. Just for laughs, I timed both the P-51D (4 gun config) and it too had the same result.
The idea that the P-38 has its snapshot ability reduced because it doesn't fire off 2 guns the instant you press the trigger is therefore mistaken. In the average 1/2 second snapshot, the P-38 is throwing the same number of bullets at the target as the P-51B is. WHEN the guns go off is of little real consequence as it is not in any way reducing the number of bullets you're throwing at the enemy. The P-38 has the advantage of hot having to worry about convergence, so if it hits at least it's likely hitting with all 4 guns.
For the record though, I agree that you souldn't be able to squeeze off a single round from 1 gun without them all firing, regardless of whether it affects gameplay (which it doesn't). It just seems odd.
J_A_B
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So how is 2 guns firing at the same time vs 1 gun firing each time and both firing the same amount of ammo in the same amount of time not be strange? The way I see it (and perhaps I am wrong), if both banks fire 1 rnd every X time it fires, and the 38 fires off 1 rnd every same X time it fires.. then one of them should either deplete its ammo sooner and the other later, or one of them has more ammo to throw out than the other one.
That is what has me spooked.
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Actually, you are correct that the P-51B will fire, say, 4 bullets before the P-38L will fire 4 bullets. However, as noted above in combat you never fire only 4 bullets. In other words you are correct in theory, but the timeframe is so tiny it doesn't matter in practice (we're dealing with like 1/6 of a second here).
What is happening, is with every 4 rounds fired per X time, the P-51B takes the lead but the P-38L catches up before the P-51B fires its next 4 rounds. Look at it this way--the P-51B will fire 4 bullets before the P-38 does, but the P-38 will fire its 4 off before the P-51B starts on the next 4. Technically, the P-51B will fire 200 rounds faster than the P-38 will (as you suspect it should)--but the time difference will be something like 1/6 of a second because the P-38 is catching up to the P-51B every 4th round. The P-51B will NOT be able to fire bullet number 201 before the P-38 has fired number 200. In any case, the difference is never greater than 2 bullets and will not make any difference whatsoever in combat.
I hope I explained this in a way that makes sense. I know what I'm trying to say, but I am having difficulty putting my thoughts into words.
J_A_B
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back to the combat flaps for the P-38, I had a pilots manual and it never did state max combat flap extension speed in IAS, it did however state that half flaps could be deployed at a speed of up to 250 mph ias, now here is my question, If half flaps could be used up to 250 mph ias, then where does the 250 mph ias figure come from for combat flaps, one would think they could be deployed at a speed greater than 250 since it is less than half flaps.
I remember the 320 mph ias speed used in eaw, but where did 320 mph ias for combat flaps come from? I am not sure if this speed was original to the game, came with the 1.2 patch or if it was one of the add ons that eaw had, thanks.
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Originally posted by Tac
Please disable the auto flap retract. 38's flaps would rip out if they were not retracted before the plane achieved certain speed (I think it was 320mph). Would be nice to make the AH 38 not retract the flaps, but to make it "shake" if its above 250mph and has flaps down. I dont know if the "auto" settings widewing mentioned can be modeled, would be nice though. But that would be candy :)
About the maximum flap speeds--at least one P-38 pilot on Guadalcanal (P-38Gs) recollected using his combat flaps for a hard turn at 350 mph (to line up on a Zero on the tail of another P-38) without difficulty. The same pilot also recounted how a squadron-mate told him that the maximum flap speed was very conservative and the flaps could be used effectively above the placarded limit to achieve a tighter break.
Originally posted by bolillo_loco
back to the combat flaps for the P-38, I had a pilots manual and it never did state max combat flap extension speed in IAS, it did however state that half flaps could be deployed at a speed of up to 250 mph ias, now here is my question, If half flaps could be used up to 250 mph ias, then where does the 250 mph ias figure come from for combat flaps, one would think they could be deployed at a speed greater than 250 since it is less than half flaps.
Widewing's post (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27973) states that there were only three marked positions for the flaps--full up, manoeuvre and full down. It seems likely, then, that when the manual says "50% flaps" it actually means "combat flaps." The P-38 pilot who extended his flaps at 350 recalled the placarded speed of the P-38's manoeuvre flaps to be about 260 mph, which matches quite nicely (probably either there was a typo, or his memory was slightly off).
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on the flaps, really? I thought that combat flaps were 8 degrees, is that half flaps? wow.
on the dive/dive flaps problem tac is talking about. leon badboy smith posted this chart a while back. I think that he said it was estamated, but if you look at the line for speed when buffet was encounterd, it matches the placard limit for the 38 fairly close. how accurate is this graph? thanks.
Originally posted by Badboy
I found a minute to search through my Lockheed data and turned this up.
(http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~badboy/PDF/P-38-Dive2.jpg)
Chart was signed and dated April 1942. I have one other dated 1940, but it was estimated and quite optimistic.
Leon "Badboy" Smith
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bolillo, the AH 38 is only missing the second effect of the dive flaps. That is, if deployed at high speeds it should pull the nose up by itself, the faster you go the harder it will pull nose up. 2-3 or even 4 g's depending on speed. The first effect , preventing the nose from being tucked under is already taken care of in AH (though weakly, I still dont get it how elevator trim pulls nose up so darn quick when pulling the stick to nose up does zilch.. I thought trim and stick did the same thing... move the elevator!).
That chart is from 1942? Hehe, mustve been an early 38. Cool.
"Actually, you are correct that the P-51B will fire, say, 4 bullets before the P-38L will fire 4 bullets. However, as noted above in combat you never fire only 4 bullets. In other words you are correct in theory, but the timeframe is so tiny it doesn't matter in practice (we're dealing with like 1/6 of a second here).
What is happening, is with every 4 rounds fired per X time, the P-51B takes the lead but the P-38L catches up before the P-51B fires its next 4 rounds. Look at it this way--the P-51B will fire 4 bullets before the P-38 does, but the P-38 will fire its 4 off before the P-51B starts on the next 4. Technically, the P-51B will fire 200 rounds faster than the P-38 will (as you suspect it should)--but the time difference will be something like 1/6 of a second because the P-38 is catching up to the P-51B every 4th round. The P-51B will NOT be able to fire bullet number 201 before the P-38 has fired number 200. In any case, the difference is never greater than 2 bullets and will not make any difference whatsoever in combat."
Maybe im stupid, but what you said makes no sense. 1 plane firing off all 4 bullets first but the other one fires all 4 of his before the 1st one fires the next bout of 4 bullets... both planes are firing the same gun, same ROF.. that would mean that that the 2nd plane, the 38, has faster refire rate to do that?.
That 1/6th of a second is vital for me. For the 51B is lobbing TWO bullets at target and hitting it.. in a snapshot or in a 6 shot that means he can put twice the damage in half the time my 38 can (at convergence of course). And when you hitting a moving target, any concentrated hit damage is dispersed over the enemy plane. Think 51B shooting a zeke thats flying in a tangent and crossing in front of the 51b's nose. Zeke is at 51b convergence.
For discussion sake, make believe the zeke is 200 inches long.
As zeke flies by 51b shoots all guns, firing 2 bullets at a time per gun bank. That means that the first hits on its nose it will take two .50's , next pair of rounds coming in a split second after hit it 2 inches from where the first one hit (zeke is moving fast)... and so on and on. Since 51B is shooting both gun banks with 2 bullets, the zeke will receive 100 impacts of two bullets each (two bullets hitting at same spot doing more damage), thats 200 rounds total (200/2=100, 2rnd per hit =200 bullets) that hit the zeke.
If it was the p-38 that zeke wouldve received only 1 bullet every 2 inches (same guns, same refire rate, but the 38 does not lob 2 bullets at a time). 200/2 = 100 , 1 rnd lobbed at a time =100rnds hitting the target, 1 bullet hole per 2 inches . That all = half the bullets on target and for all that matters, less than 1/4th damage because the 51b's 2 bullets hitting at same time in same spot have increased damage. Both planes firing at "convergence".
and of course, the zeke flies off leaking fuel, oil and burning a mighty fireball... and will still fight for 10 more minutes until its engine dies ;) :D
"I hope I explained this in a way that makes sense. I know what I'm trying to say, but I am having difficulty putting my thoughts into words."
I know the feeling...me too :D :p
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Well Tac, here is what I got out of it.
At the instant of firing
P51-Bang, Bang (inboard) - a split second later the other two fire Bang, Bang (outboard)
P38- Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang.
What he is saying is that although the 2 inboards may fire before your #2 gun fires, your #3 and #4 guns fire BEFORE his two inboards fire again, thus you are putting the same amount of lead on the target.
So yes, you are lagging a very slight bit behind the P-51B because of the way the guns fire, but it isnt like the P-51B can put out twice as much firepower as you can. Well, unless you both just tap the fire button to send out 1 (or 2 in the P-51B's case) round at a time.
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Thanks Urchin, you do a better job explaining it than I do.
BTW, the time difference for P-38 and P-51B is actually more like 1/12 a second and the difference in number of bullets should never be greater than 1. This is why it doesn't affect snapshots--you've never shot a plane down with 1 .50 bullet :) It's the other 199 you hit it with that's killing the NME.
But yes, unfortunately the Zero will just fly away burning no matter how many times you shoot it. It must be that ultra-light sponge material they're built out of, it absorbs our bullets and is also fire resistant. :)
J_A_B
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Originally posted by bolillo_loco
on the flaps, really? I thought that combat flaps were 8 degrees, is that half flaps? wow.
I'm not actually sure what the maximum flap extension was. I'd suspect that, given the available settings were 0%, "combat" and 100%, the combat setting just got called 50% for simplicity. :)
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I think what tac is trying to say here.. Is give us more control over the planes we fly.... IE flap retraction and dive speed and dive flaps.. Ok no dive speed I'm usingthe same source as badz did in the dive flap discussion.. its my I just printed and sent it to badz 3 years ago :) anyway. ok level speed in a 38 was .6 mach.
and operational dive speed was .68-.71 mach.
and terminal dive speed IE wings rip off and u die in a big fireball :). was .9 mach just bout the speed of sound!
Ok on flaps this is gonna hurt tac's cause.. But it is the truth.
This is out of a flight manual for the P38H P38J-5 and F5b-1
and the date is June 25th 1943
max airspeed (indicated) with full flaps extended is 150mph.
max airspeed (indicated) with 50% flaps extended is 250mph.
Ok that 50% flaps at 250mph restriction but it saids nothing about a notch of flaps deployed above 250mph.. In AW you could deploy 1 notch of flaps above 250knots and up to bout 350knots
(i think it has been a while since I flew AW3)
and on dive flaps yall just ned to look at the site
http://www.p-38online.com/cmprs.html
Hey HTC i'll be dropping in monday or tuesday to give yall some 38 stuff.. I'm not trying to tell yall how to do your jobs just to how to model the 38 :)..
My greatest wish is to fly a P-38L before I die!
CW
=Twin Engined Devils=
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"Ok on flaps this is gonna hurt tac's cause.. But it is the truth"
eh?
The only thing I want is to stop the fowler flaps from RETRACTING by themselves. If they must rip out or make my plane shake harder than fatty's cellullite if I forget to retract them, so be it. But this crap of flaps retracting in the middle of a turnfight and making the plane spin is just intolerable. You can have up to 3 notches of flap deployed from 150mph to 250mph, and in a turnfight, where the 38 is most likely to be doing high and low yo-yo's instead of flat turning, the 250 mph mark is constantly "touched" for a brief time, almost never going above 260 or 270mph before the next manouver bleeds the speed back into the 200 mph range.. but just the "touching" the 250mph tick mark, the flaps pull up by themselves, either spinning your plane or pulling you out of the manouver you're doing because the wing dipped hard (beggining of spin) and you have to stop the manouver to prevent the spin... which effectively gives the guy you're chasing an EXCELLENT chance of getting on your 6 without any effort.
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Sry tac taking my head out of my bellybutton now :)
But we do need more control over the aircraft we fly..
If they had auto flap retraction in ww2 alot more pilots would have been killed. Most of the fighter pilots flying is done by riding the ragged edge of his aircraft and if using the the flaps above 250mph to stay alive or to get a kill or diving till just b4 the wing fly off and u become a hugh fireball. WELL SO BE IT HTC!
And thats my 2 cents :)
CW
=Twin Engined Devils=