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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: daddog on January 13, 2002, 07:35:52 PM
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See this thread for how it came about.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39425
Funked (Bishop), Bluemako (Rooks), Raubvogel (Knights) pick a number between 1 and 100. The winner will pick the country we fly for and lead the whole event. My son has picked a number and who ever is the closest will win.
Then the three of you want to plan it? Divide up the TOD squads? Let me know how I can help.
:)
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42 of course :)
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Raub beat me to 42 so I'll have to go with 21.
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This is gonna be great! 56th is in!
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Daddio, if you would, send out an email to all squads in TOD to notify us, we could do a make up for Frame Two of Black Sea in this manner with all of us together in the main! :)
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh mmmmmmmmmmm eeeeeeaaa ddaaaaaa ummmmmmmmmm ohhhhhhhh
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hehehe we'll be there
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Wow, I gotta be in for this one. What’s the time limit for reset, 2 hours? Hehe, should be something to see.
Zippatuh
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The AH community is gonna crap themselves that night:)
How will we enforce the squad only rule as participants? No walkon's as usuall I suppose?
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I pick 48
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lol I guess I was not clear.
Funked, Blue, and Raub were the first or only ones to step up to be a C.O. for their country in that other thread. So I am looking for numbers just from those three. That will determine what country we will "ALL" fly for and who will be the over all C.O. I would expect the other two to help out as needed. :)
Zip I think we will plan on 2 hours. Ammo I will not worry about it for this. We all will be flying in the MA so it really does not matter.
My guess is who ever ends up the head C.O. of the above three will divide up the squads and assign us a type of mission. Escorts, buffs, Jabo, troops, etc... but they will do it as they see fit.
I have a number from Blue and Raub, Funked you still want to give this a shot for the Bishops? :)
Just think, 16 TOD squads in the MA, being lead by one fellow for 2 hours. Talk about a Blitzkreig! :D
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Originally posted by daddog
Just think, 16 TOD squads in the MA, being lead by one fellow for 2 hours. Talk about a Blitzkreig! :D
Wonder if Rude is willing to expand his "Whine of the week" to the Main arena text box, beginning that evening? :D:D
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I'm gonna have to bow out on this one. Will be working Friday night. :(
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Are we all gonna fit in the main at that time? its usually standing room only friday nights.
Get your tickets early.
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Will miss you funked.
Ok the number was 99 ( my 6 year old son picked it. ;) )
Raub we will fly for the Knights. Your in charge.
Blue, Rip you want to help him out?
What can I do to help out? I can e-mail all the C.O.'s. Raub can you divide up the squads somehow? You , blue and rip each lead 1/3 of the TOD squads and we all fly for the Knights.
Star your right, we will be testing those servers for sure! :eek:
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I'd like to just divide the squads into 3 sections:
Fighters
Jabo
Buffs
Rip, Mako let me know which of those you would like to lead. I let it up to you to decide the planes/loadouts for the section you take. Then we can generate generic mission files and save them for easy posting the night we do this.
Squad CO's please let us know which section you would like to fly in.
Do we have a date set for this?
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I'd like to just divide the squads into 3 sections:
Fighters
Jabo
Buffs
Rip, Mako let me know which of those you would like to lead. I let it up to you to decide the planes/loadouts for the section you take. Then we can generate generic mission files and save them for easy posting the night we do this.
Squad CO's please let us know which section you would like to fly in.
Do we have a date set for this?
Fighters please. I know that the 412th is ready to fly fighters rather than Ju88's.
Don't forget the idea was to have half the squads race the other half for a reset.
The MA TOD night is to be on Friday 18th (ie. this Friday).
Can I make a couple of suggestions for organisation? (Suggestions only, will take whatever tasking given by Raub ;) )
As we will be flying for your country Raub (knights), maybe we should assign the Axis squads from Black Sea TOD to fly against the Bishops and the Allied squads from BS TOD to fly against the Rooks. (I suppose the terrain in the MA and the number of fields owned by the knights at the time will have a bearing on how we could apply this tactic).
I also had in mind to just assign 2 or 3 squads at a time to attack a certain field and leave the plane choices to the squad COs. Then the squads could use their own particular style of attacks and the race to reset would be a race between the squads based on their own particular styles, not the aircraft type they are assigned.
Maybe there should also be a count kept of how many bases each squad/group of squads captures so as to allow bragging rights on the General BBS?
Can't wait to see the whining on the BBS after this. :D
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I like that idea, and it requires less work from me which is always a good thing. ;)
Just split the squads in half. Axis side hits Bish, Allied side hits Rook. Whoever captures more fields wins hehe.
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Dumb question, but will this be the same time as friday TOD?
Sax
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When is this all taking place?? Will TOD members be told here?
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Originally posted by sax
Dumb question, but will this be the same time as friday TOD?
Sax
Yup. The plan is to just run this instead of taking a break this weekend. Same time, same people, different place, same fun.
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Is this gonna be this friday (18th) or next friday (25th)?
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The DevilDogs have been shaken awake.
We're in with MAG-33.
"Tell the Lacemedonians to damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" -- From Bored of the Rings, Harvard Lampoon
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I’ll throw a suggestion in here.
I can understand not wanting to shoot down country mates but I think we should go for the reset and focus on one side. Of course overall numbers might warrant a push on both fronts but I’d like to see the steamroller on one side. Just pick the front against the country that has the most basses. Like stated before though it will depend on the situation at the time.
I like the competition idea. Each squad or group does its specialty in their favorite aircraft and tally up the number of fields. If it’s being divided up in to thirds, right flank, left flank and straight up the center?
We can say it’s in memory of the Oklahoma land rush :D.
Zippatuh
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Originally posted by Zippatuh
I’ll throw a suggestion in here.
I can understand not wanting to shoot down country mates but I think we should go for the reset and focus on one side. Of course overall numbers might warrant a push on both fronts but I’d like to see the steamroller on one side. Just pick the front against the country that has the most basses. Like stated before though it will depend on the situation at the time.
I like the competition idea. Each squad or group does its specialty in their favorite aircraft and tally up the number of fields. If it’s being divided up in to thirds, right flank, left flank and straight up the center?
We can say it’s in memory of the Oklahoma land rush :D.
Zippatuh
Its nothing personal, its more of the "TOD participants" against the world:) Hey if someone gets sore at me for shooting me down, then I am sorry to hear that, but its all in fun.
On a side note, Raub, the 56th requests P-47D30's on that night:)
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This will take place "this" Friday the 18th. I will send out a note to all C.O.'s. The time will be the same as the regular TOD. 11 PM Eastern.
Raub the Mongrels can do Jabo or Buff. Put us where you need us.
Once you have the squads divided up let us know who we will be taking orders from. You, blue, or rip. :)
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daddog and others,
Okay just got an e-mail notification about this thread and all the TOD squads running things in the MA this friday. I regret to inform you that the Nightmares VMF-101 will not be participating in the TOD MA on a "squad" level.
One of the few rules / traditions the Nightmares have is that we fly for one country and one country only in the main arena. We first formed in Air Warrior back in 1996 and from our inception to the end of AW in 2001 flew exclusively for the Bz. In AH, we chose Rooks back in 2000 and have flown exclusively for the Rooks as a squad ever since.
If individuals decide to switch and fly for the Knights for a night .. I think I can turn a blind eye to that and never notice though.
itt sounds like fun and good hunting to you guys. But its almost a 7 year old tradition / rule and would cause me more headaches than you know to try to change it on a squad level. So please note the absence of the Nightmares VMF-101 and modify your attack plans accordingly for friday.
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Ghostdancer I should leave this for Nimitz, but there is a loophole for you.
You fly for different countires in the scenario's. This is nothing more than a big-ass M.A. scenario. Get yer butts in line and follow your ORDERS.
See you in the M.A alongside the rest of the TOD squads....
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skernsk,
Thanks for looking for loop holes but before AH we had been playing in AW scenarios for years where we had to fly for different countries in the scenario arena. The tradition we have is in regards to what country we fly in the main arena. Squad does not care about TA, CA, or SEA and what country people have to fly for in there.
I will however, bring it up to all of my squad and let them decide (the howling you will hear shortly will be them debating ;) ). My bet is that they will not have any problem with individuals switching for the night but .. I don't expect many to switch to Knights.
I will get back to you guys ASAP as soon as I get a consensus.
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I honestly am not going to have time to come up with a plan for 16 squads. The easy way to do this would be for all of us to meet in the MA at the normal time. We'll post 2-3 missions at a time and all the squads can sign up. If Rip or Mako want to step up and get more detailed that's fine.
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Tell ya what, I have a bunch of Canned missions (50 saved ones) of various A/C, historical planesets, goal-oriented missions, you name it, I'll post it. I've got a couple nifty ones where you have two different goals in mind if ya wanna do that...or, for grins, we could do an armada of B17's and just pork every front line field we come across, along with some escorts to finish up any goons trying to re-supply those freshly porked fields :D:D
Don't misunderstand this, I do NOT want to lead the group, I will just post the mission. :)
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Ghstdancer, VMF-323 follows the same guidelines, but think of it as "mis-directed for 12 hours due to TOD Bonding". :D
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Lol, Ripsnort I like the way you put it:
"mis-directed for 12 hours due to TOD Bonding".
I am willing to turn a blind eye to it but I can't order the squad to do this against our tradition. Each person has to decide on their own. Right now I have gotten back 7 responses already out of 35 Nightmares and 3 Horse Soldiers.
So far the response has been that everyone is fine with anyone wanting to switch and fly for the Knights friday night for TOD. But although all the responders are fine with people switching for the night .. all seven said they will -not- fly for another country or shoot at Rooks in the MA.
So as I said expect a few will participate in this TOD assault but I don't expect there will 15-18 like we usually get for TOD.
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Sounds fine to me Rip. I think we should do some stuff that you don't see everyday in the MA...like a swarm of 60 C202s attacking a base :D
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I LIKE THAT RAUB, we think alike! How about (50) .202's and (50) goons taking a few fields? :D:D
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:D Night of the Living 202s
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Hehehe! Well, whatever we do, they'll be spies watching our every move, so no Waypoints will be in the mission, and targets should probably be spoken over the mission channel text only (Ch. 5 for those that don't know that its a dedicated mission channel in AH)
Come to think of it, maybe we should ANNOUNCE our intentions :D:D
Off to the gym, talk to ya all later.
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I suggest we pick a text channel for MA TOD general comms (say 175) before we even start any missions running so we are all listening in for commands.
Oh and the idea of a massed C202 and C47 raid sounds like a blast. Maybe follow it up with a massed Hurricane IIC and C47 raid?
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So what yall are saying is all the TOD squads(not MA squads) will be attacking all NonTOD squads and loners? hmmm sounds cool... but we will own...(tod squads) all the good good guys play TOD and we will be playing against n00bs....? o well.. would be cool to see the numbers that each side will have. and what about those that will not change sides and stay on knights?
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Alright guys,
I have recieve responses from half of the Nightmares VMF-101 and VMF-124 Horse Soldiers (19 responses) and the answer is the same in each one of them.
Nobody has a problem with anyone wanting to fly Knights for friday night to be apart of the TOD Assault on the MA. But every single person says that while they have no problem with it they will not fly Knights (or Bishops) and they will not purposely fire on other Rooks in the MA.
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So count the Nightmares VMF-101 and our allied and sister squads as part of the OpFor in Rook Land come this friday.
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ghosth dancer. I understand.
Raub, blue, rip. Tell you what I will divide up the squads we have. I will give each of you 1/3. The three of you take it from there. Use the canned missions, write up new one's does not matter. Just be ready to give orders to about 30 pilots each on Friday night. I suggest the three of you get together and make some kind of "general" plan.
Ok here is the layout.
Raub will have under his leadership:
Mongrels
56th FG
Blue Messiahs
412th
Luftjager orps
13th TAS
Blue will have:
FBD's
Arabian Knights
Jv44
Blue Thunder
Rip will have:
MAG 33
Rogue Squadron
457th
These squads should look to their leader for orders. Questions?
That help jump star this? :)
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I say we make it as simple as possible. If we put up one BIG mission (256 planes allowed in a mission!) then we'll all be on the same comms (Ch.5) and there won't be any confusion on who hits what...thats my 2 cents worth.
Also, there's no garantee that anything will be very coordinated with a squad OUTSIDE the country we're hosting, (VMF-101's) so I don't think its going to work with 101...after all, what if we hit the rooks? Is 101 going to shoot themselves down? :)
Anyway, I'll be on 1/2 in advance, and I'll have a mission in the planner that can accomodate everyone is you wish, the launch field will be just a place holder until we decide what we want to hit 5 min before launch. No target will be called out in the mission either. We'll just up and go somewhere we all decide.
Lets keep in mind that we want to PROMOTE the TOD, so when folks whine about the masses, tell them on open channel about the TOD, and if they become part of it we'll stop picking on them! :) (Love with a big belt! hehehe!)
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Also, there's no garantee that anything will be very coordinated with a squad OUTSIDE the country we're hosting, (VMF-101's) so I don't think its going to work with 101...after all, what if we hit the rooks? Is 101 going to shoot themselves down?
Nope we are not going to shoot ourselves down. ;) We will be defending Rook Land to the best of our abilities. Although I have had the guys paint a new symbol on our planes .. big red dot with two red cirles around it.
Don't worry about coordinating with us .. consider us your Opposition Force if you hit the Rooks.
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With all due respect, if we can't 100% participation for same country, then why bother doing it?
Why don't the other 13 squads change to rooks to satisfy VMF-101's requirements? My squad is dedicated to Knightland, but we certainly won't have a problem changing to Rooks if that's what it takes to get 100% participation....
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I agree with Rip
This is all for fun, no country should take offense to being picked on.
We just post on Gen Disc forum our intentions and let the MA
decide if they think it is allright.
Sax
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Couple more options:
Not do any landing grabbing, just fighter sweeps...
Flying for underdog country when we log in, and helping them out...
Just thinking out loud.
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"Flying for underdog country"
I heartily agree. Whether base capture or killing enemy planes is the focus matters not to me. Either way lots of enemy bogies are "going down" like sawdust to a Hoover :)
Westy
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With all due respect, if we can't 100% participation for same country, then why bother doing it?
Why don't the other 13 squads change to rooks to satisfy VMF-101's requirements? My squad is dedicated to Knightland, but we certainly won't have a problem changing to Rooks if that's what it takes to get 100% participation....
Ripsnort,
I don't want you guys feeling hostage to the Nightmares and that is how I would feel if you switched to Rooks. It was a completely random choice as to what country the TOD Assault would fly for as it should be to avoid any problems of country bias. If you all switched to flying Rooks instead of Knights, basically all 13 squads are doing it make one squad happy and I don't believe that is right. After all if the TOD squads ever do this again the same situation would arise and you guys should not get locked into flying Rooks just because of us.
In addition, the event is tomorrow and I know you guys have worked a bit on getting the word out to all the people involved to fly Knights tomorrow under Raubvgl, Blue Mako, and Ripsnort. It would sort of be unfair and probably cause you a lot of headaches to try to change countries and modify you plans on such short notice.
I posted here on the board to tell you guys we would not be participating because I thought it was the upfront thing to do instead of just not showing up. As I said I could not command my guys to switch countries and none of them volunteered to do so while I turned a blind eye. In light of this I just thought it was the honest thing to tell you guys that we would be over defending Rook Land.
We have not animosity toward TOD squads or this event. Its just that we have a tradition and all of my pilots are bull headed (to say the least).
As for Rook Land feeling picked on if you attack Rook Land .. don't worry about it. We know we will be outnumbered but the Nightmares VMF-101 and our sister and allied squads will be waiting for you and will do our best. We actually sort of look forward to such a big fight if does come our way.
We sort of feel like the guys at the Alamo. :) We digging in and expecting the worst but there is always a certain charge (adrenalin rush) that goes along with fighting against the odds.
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I think the whole purpose of this excercise is "Comraderie"...just wouldn't be the same if the 2nd biggest squad in the TOD was not part of it. :(
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Ah I see Ripsnort .. I was not aware of that was what you guys were aiming for. Just sort of became aware of this whole thing yesterday myself. Pyroman and Fdutchmn were aware of this thread but both had different takes on it.
For example Fdutchmn thought that the TOD squads were going to split between countries in MA and then attack each other and see who did the best. Pyroman thought the squads would be in the same country but split among hitting the two enemy fronts and then see which front did best
After reading the thread I am still not sure what the goal is ... reset, who captures the most bases, forces split along different fronts, etc.
Didn't even think about the goal of just building camaraderie between all the squads involved. Its a good goal .. my guys are just bullheaded and refuse to not fly Rook in the MA.
I am sorry that we have become the fly in the ointment here by us being stubborn and sticking with out tradition. If you do come Rooks it should be a very interesting night for us and very bad night for another country.
If you don't it should be one hell of a fight. And we will enjoy it either way .. as allies or opponents.
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C’mon guys. Lets Blitzkrieg the MA. 202 missions and the sort would be fun but lets have a purpose in 2 hours and try and take as many bases as possible. It is going to be a kind of marketing ploy for the TOD so lets show the organization through base capture.
Grab, grab, grab I tell ya!
We should hit the side who has the most bases but we should also stick to one country before starting it. This time it’s Knights, next time (hopefully a next time), the toss up is between Bishops and Rooks. Then whoever looses that toss is chosen for the third.
It’s gonna be a hoot. Death, destroy, carnage! Rape the fields and pillage the sheep! Make the MA a smoking hole! Get the hammer, and you, just take the you and lsdkjfioejekvjiodijkl laljkdfoijoejqhu!
Ok, I think I feel better now. So, are we gonna like kill something or what? :D
Zippatuh
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LOL Zip!
Okay, back to the original plan, Daddogs. Meet in Knitland, join up any missions that Raub, Rip or Blue have in the mission planner. :)
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well, since it's pretty much already decided on Knight, this isn't important but...
what country do the squads currently fly for? if we switch to the country that has the most squads already in it, then less people gotta switch.
Not that it matters to me, I'll switch to Bish even. ;)
Just would like to have all the TOD squads involved. :)
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Well, Iv not participated in TOD ... Thou the CAF has been talking about giving it a try.
I do wish you well in the MA. This sounds like a great exersise for you guys. Lets just hope you attack the Rooks. You can count on a good fight. Of course if you were looking for a MilkRun, maybe Bishops are the better target. ?? Did I just make that a challange?? :D Bring it on!! ;)
Best o Luck to all and lets make it a fight worthy of Song!
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Best keep current plan, it's hard enough to figure out what I'm doing when it's spelled out for me. Much less changing plans right up to the deadline.
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I agree with pizza hut. We should b together and focus our efforts! I hope the intention is not to split the TOD squads up and compete against each other. For this evening it would be awesome to have all the TOD squads with all our attention on one country
Looking fwd to it !!
Psss.. Whoever is making the missions please include a Heavy Jug for the 56th FG;) We would like to be part of the jabo team.
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Good luck TOD squads. This is going to be a night to remember.
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Originally posted by -ammo-
Psss.. Whoever is making the missions please include a Heavy Jug for the 56th FG;) We would like to be part of the jabo team.
Okay, my first mission up in the planner will have Heavy P47D-25 jugs with -11's as escort!
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Grimm, hope to see you and your squad sign up for the TOD. :)
If you have any questions post em here on the TOD BB.