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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Midnight on January 14, 2002, 02:27:12 PM
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Take a look at these stats and the rank that goes with them (Copied from pilot stats 15:15EDT 01/14/2001)
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These are FIGHTER RANKS ONLY. I know the differance between these and the other ranks for bombers and vehicles and how they all play into Overall Rank.
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Fester
Kills / Deaths + 1: 64.0000
Kills / Sorties: 4.8302
Kills / Time online: 0.0031
Hit percentage: 0.1462
Points: 47117.4110
Fighter
Kills: 256
Assists: 29
Sorties: 53
Landed: 49
Bailed: 0
Ditched: 0
Captured: 0
Death: 2
Disco: 2
Time: 22:59:48
Rank: 5
Whels
Kills / Deaths + 1: 7.4444
Kills / Sorties: 2.3103
Kills / Time online: 0.0017
Hit percentage: 0.1289
Points: 21438.2554
Fighter
Kills: 134
Assists: 19
Sorties: 58
Landed: 37
Bailed: 1
Ditched: 3
Captured: 2
Death: 13
Disco: 2
Time: 22:24:52
Rank: 1:rolleyes:
How does this work out? How does Whels get the number one spot over Fester with these stats?
If you look, you will see that Fester has better numbers in ALL the top and lower catagories except for Time, of which fester has 35 minutes more (Obiviously spent flying home from all those engagements, where Whels was sent to tower far more frequently)
Being that Fester is better in ALL catagories... how does HTC's calculation work to figure out ranks?
I am interested because I am trying to improve my stats and noticed I am 15th fighter rank, so I wanted to see who was #1. Saw Whels at the top and Fester at #5, so I got curious. This just doesn't look right if you ask me.
HTC.. can you explain how this works?
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You are looking at fighter stats only, over all rank is a combination of the other 3 catagories also.
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Quickdraw HiTech. :)
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I am looking at Fighter Rank only also HiTech. This is not the overall ranks, meaning that in the Fighter Catagory, Fester should be ranked #1. Please look again.
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HiTech, I think he was referring to only fighter rank. It would appear that Whels lags behind Fester in every category figured into fighter rank (K/D, K/S, K/T, Hit percentage), and yet Whels is ranked above him.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I think kills per time adn hit percentage has alot of bearing on rank. Are those fighter ranks or overall ranks?
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whels has a total of 10 field captures while Fester has one. I think this somehow works it's way into it.
-SW
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The difference is that Fester does not have any field captures in fighter mode.. However it's possible to get captures in fighters due to a bug in AH. If your goon dies after you drop the troops and you take off in a fighter before they run inside, you get a capture with the fighter in question. That boosts up your fighter rank quite nicely. I found that out on TOD 23 when I jumped from fighter rank 30 to 1 after a single field capture on fighter mode.
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Look, Guys... These are FIGHTER RANKS ONLY.
This has nothing at all to do with the overall ranks. Please look again.
Midnight
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I understand Midnight, but like I said- I think field captures somehow compute into the fighter stats.
-SW
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That is retarded. Why should field captures have anything to do with Fighter statistics?
Midnight
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Midnight, Stain, please re-read my post.. Field captures DO affect fighter ranking.
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I don't write the code, I only made an logical guess.
-SW
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HiTech, he is only looking at fighter ranks. And he's right.. something is screwey.
Its like the Fighter Stats are looking at a category that isn't listed. Maybe ground target damage like acks or something?
....or its possibly looking at a number from the wrong category.
The bottom line is that someone having better numbers in each and every "Fighter Stats" category should not be ranked behind someone else in the "Fighter Rankings".
AKDejaVu
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Well, I'm not only better than all of you folks put together, I'm much more handsome as well:p
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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I know I know I know...
Well, at least I think I do. Last tour I ranked up in the top 5 for most of the tour. It puzzled me but I did have a theory...
On one particular base capture I flew a goon dropped my troops but got gunned by a Spitdweeb and sent back to the tower. Assumed the base needed some cap (as there were backup goons IB) I quickly jumped in my tiffie, just as I started to roll my last drunk must of entered the enemy map room and the field got capture. In my tiffie I got the capture (map room destroyed message). From that point on my fighter rank was way better than it should have been.
Is it possible that if you drop drunks, die, go OTR in a fighter, then get the field capture, that the field capture points help your fighter stats?
(oops just noticed mrsid's post, duh me)
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I just hit the "E" and fly! :)
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While ferster is obviosly superior. He is splitting his accomplishments between 3 IDs. So that dilutes him to 5th....
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I think kills per time adn hit percentage has alot of bearing on rank. Are those fighter ranks or overall ranks?
- Ammo
Kill/time
Kill/sortie
Kill/Death
Hit percentage
are all valued the same when it comes to fighter rank.
Drex
Hit percentage is an overrated stat. :)
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Originally posted by Drex
- Ammo
Kill/time
Kill/sortie
Kill/Death
Hit percentage
are all valued the same when it comes to fighter rank.
Drex
Hit percentage is an overrated stat. :)
Ahh OK.
I agree drex. Gunnery shouldnt rate high has as surviving, or ability to rack up a streak. I dont know what my opinion is on kills per time. that would hurt guys like the 13th TAS that spends alot of time climbing to 25k;)
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See on fester those 2 kills? i did that :) (no offence but i feel good killing the man that i think is the best in the whole game) so dont be pissed that i tried :) they were lucky cus he was stalling and i was in a cheapo arse la7 soo wasnt to much skill....
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IMO hit percentage shouldn't even be in there. Either you kill the bogie or you don't, the results show up in k/d in either case. Should the score system place higer value on a 150 yard kill (high hit percentage) or a 700 yard kill (low hit percentage)? I don't think hit percentage reflects how good a shot a player is nearly as much as it reflects how close they like to get before they open fire.
Personally some formula based solely on Kills/Time and Kills/Death makes the most sense. It is very hard to improve one without letting the other statistic suffer some. i.e. you can climb to 25k and pick your fights very carefully to improve K/D but then K/T will suffer. You can roll from fields close to furballs and dive in without ever getting above 1k and rack up quick kills by always being close to a fight, but K/D is hard to keep up doing this.
Hooligan
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i think 13tas gets a bad rep nowadays. they arewnt as bad as they used to be.
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There isn't anything wrong with those guys, I just felt the need to interject a jab at 'em. Didnt get a response though.
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Need some better bait Ammo. :D
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Disagree Hooligan. HP is a very importan factor unless you want to see nothing but spray'n prayers. Remember that we have not gun jams nor gun melts, we have ammo counters in every plane as well as range icons. Too much factors in favour of the spray tactic.
In the other hand, wing mounted MG/Guns are less accurate than nose mounted ones. So, its true that, while not spraying, having a good HP with a Spit is harder than with a single gun P38, 109 or Yak.
So, IMO, each plane should have an HP multiplier depending on its weapons configuration.
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Hell, I didn't even know there were folks who payed attention to rank! :)
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Geez, when did they add all this score stuff???
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hell, I didn't even know there were folks who payed attention to rank! :)
Obviously there are people who do Ripsnort.
If there weren't, you propably wouldn't see the need to post pictures of your "Black Widow" in it's fancy hanger :D
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How much emphasis should be put on K/T? It would appear, at least to my simpleton mind, that K/T is affected by more factors than K/D.
K/T has to take into account time spent on takeoff. Time spent on rtb. Time spent on rearm, in addition to actual combat. If one decides to ditch or replane versus rtb & land or rearm, then that persons K/T would naturally be higher. I don't necessarily agree that only those who climb to 25k are the only ones who have a low K/T.
For example, this tours stats show me currently with a 6.3 K/D, 1.9 K/S and a 0.0015 K/T but I hardly, if ever, climb above 11K nor do I up from far away fields as a general rule. I am, however, one that rearms versus replanes and land versus ditch. In this tour I have thus far 82 kills in 42 sorties, 11 deaths, landed 29, 0 ditches, 0 bails and 0 captures.
Good question Midnight. I been wondering the same thing.
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better bait? hmmmmm
13th Tas are a bunch of FEMALES!!!!
They cant hold their liquor!!!!
Rude has no REAL friends!!!!
TAS stands for Their bellybutton is Sore!!!!
see if that works :)
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Originally posted by hazed-
13th Tas are a bunch of FEMALES!!!!
So what's wrong with FEMALES?????!!! :p
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ROTFLOL Hazed! :D
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Stop it!!!!
Quit your pickin on us or we will quit!!!
:p
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg )
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>>>So what's wrong with FEMALES?????!!! <<<<
Hehe, Methinks dis guy has some splainin to do.
->->-> INSERT FOOT HERE...:o
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Originally posted by Apache
How much emphasis should be put on K/T? It would appear, at least to my simpleton mind, that K/T is affected by more factors than K/D.
K/T has to take into account time spent on takeoff. Time spent on rtb. Time spent on rearm, in addition to actual combat. If one decides to ditch or replane versus rtb & land or rearm, then that persons K/T would naturally be higher. I don't necessarily agree that only those who climb to 25k are the only ones who have a low K/T.
For example, this tours stats show me currently with a 6.3 K/D, 1.9 K/S and a 0.0015 K/T but I hardly, if ever, climb above 11K nor do I up from far away fields as a general rule. I am, however, one that rearms versus replanes and land versus ditch. In this tour I have thus far 82 kills in 42 sorties, 11 deaths, landed 29, 0 ditches, 0 bails and 0 captures.
LOL my friend, wanna see something that backs up the theory that hit percentage has a fairly big effect on ranks? compare my fighter stats to yours. IMO KD ratio should have the majority of the emphasis on ranks, but K/S and K/T should also be a factor. I am sure that there are better ways to do it, but I didnt put alot of thought into it.
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Pretty simple, really.
No need to reply as we know how we fly.
Why reply to someone that obviously doesn't know this about us?
Perhaps it's like someone telling Mathman he teaches that 2 + 2 = 5 to his students.
Math would know that this is absurd and, secure in his knowledge of how and what he does teach, he probably wouldn't even bother to reply.
That clear up why we don't bother to respond? :D
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Originally posted by -ammo-
LOL my friend, wanna see something that backs up the theory that hit percentage has a fairly big effect on ranks? compare my fighter stats to yours. IMO KD ratio should have the majority of the emphasis on ranks, but K/S and K/T should also be a factor. I am sure that there are better ways to do it, but I didnt put alot of thought into it.
lol ammo, I see what you mean. .03 difference in hit percentage equates to 104 places in rank. Wow. You would think that the 3.0 difference in K/D would mean a little somethin' huh?
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Mandoble:
A few years ago I religously held my fire till I was within 300 yards and my hit percentage was around 20%. Now I shoot at all kinds of angles and ranges and am a much better shot than I was then, but my hit percentage is typically around 8%. Hit percentage does not at all equate to how good a shot a player is in my opinion. If I give up low percentage shots and wait till I get a little closer I am sure I could pump my hit percentage up noticeably. Of course since I would no longer be taking challenging shots, I would become a worse shot.
Its really simple: If somebody is a good shot, that translates into kills. Spray and pray leads to zero-ammo and trips home, not frequent kills.
At its essence a "good" fighter pilot will kill enemy aircraft and survive. If two pilots can both achieve the same K/D and one does it in much less time then the guy with the higher K/T is better. Kills per sortie, hit percentage and all the other stats are close to irrelevant because they are already included in K/D and K/T.
IMO if the score system were perfect it would measure the ability of a fighter pilot to kill enemies and survive regardless of an initial advantage or disadvantage in numbers, position, etc...
Hooligan
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Originally posted by Apache
lol ammo, I see what you mean. .03 difference in hit percentage equates to 104 places in rank. Wow. You would think that the 3.0 difference in K/D would mean a little somethin' huh?
exactly my point, and I believe Hooligans as well.
One thing about deft's pages I liked were the way you could arange flyers in descending order in categories like hit percentage, K/D, K/S...etc..
While you can pick any one out and see there stats and compare you cant see everyone in descending order.
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The descrepency was cause by a ranking bug. Take a look at there ranks currently.
HiTech
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WTG HT, now there's a guy with 5 sorties, 5 deaths and no kills ranked No1.
Things are back to normal then. :D
(http://www.swoop.com/images/logo_small.jpg)
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Hitech, there is a bug in the ranking system!
Take it from someone who has been overrated by the score system more than anyone, and knows the score system and how to manipulate it as well as anyone;
1. There is a bug in the system. It sounds as if "Fighter captures" are possible and effect ranking dramatically. Look at my Attack ranking, I have an Attack capture (intentional) and am overrated in attack and overall. I reported the "Attack Capture" bug to Ronnie several months ago. "Fighter Captures" are new to me, but I have known something strange was up for quite awhile.
2. There are 5 Fighter rank sub-categories, all equally weighted, that make up fighter ranks; K/D, K/S, K/T, Hit % and Points. We are all ranked in each of the 5 fighter sub-categories. Combine all 5 sub-rankings and you get your final "Fighter" ranking.
I.E. someone who is ranked #1 in K/D, K/S, K/T and Hit %, but ranked # 1000 in points (1004 total) will be ranked just behind someone who is ranked exactly # 200 in all 5 sub-categories (1000 total).
Time, # of kills total, etc. have no impact on score.
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I.E. someone who is ranked #1 in K/D, K/S, K/T and Hit %, but ranked # 1000 in points (1004 total) will be ranked just behind someone who is ranked exactly # 200 in all 5 sub-categories (1000 total).
Time, # of kills total, etc. have no impact on score.
How exactly does the system score "points?" I've never even paid attention to them before, as it never made any sense to me.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Swoop,
There is another bug.
Call it the "Newbie Bug". The ranking system re-calibrates every few hours, when someone plays for the first time in a tour, they are somehow "Drastically Over-Ranked" for the first hour or two after they log in. After a few hours they are ranked normally.
eskimo
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eskimo, is correct, I play for rank, when I play(kinda on a break now), and i ushaly get in the 1 or 2 spot in vehicals and Bombers ( well often enough to say so), and this occures a lot, sombody who has loged 1 mishion gets the number 1 spot, this ushaly only lasts till he/she flys again but it seams a little off non the less.
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I wush yuo guys cuold spel crectly/
zxigwat you are is a dweeb butt I still luv yuo nowadays.
xoxoxo
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i think you are not taking into consideration the invisible whine and humility stats, these are based off the ch 1 text buffer spew during game play and are secretly added to the ranking system ;)
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Ranking system of AH was always a mystery to me.
On days when I flew like the last moron on earth, I made a big jump up the ladder.
On other days when I got one 4kill sortie after another (thats good for me :D ) nothing happens in my ranking.
IMHO Hitech has some secret stats, where he judges the style of a kill.
Just like other sports, e.g. synchronous swimming or dancing;)
So if you start your conversation on chan1 not with a , you loose one rank.
That may explain some rankings:D
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Originally posted ny SWOOP:
WTG HT, now there's a guy with 5 sorties, 5 deaths and no kills ranked No1. Things are back to normal then. :D
LOL :D Always wondered why AH's ranks are porked. Anyway, I'd like to see back again the old system as well. I mean the one where you were able to classify players just clicking on the K/D, K/T, Hit ratio ... columns.
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Leviathn,
I have yet to figure out exactly how score points are derived, but I know a few things.
1. The higher the "ENY" value of the plane you get a kill in, the more points you earn.
Shooting down a N1K with a 109F (ENY 40) earns you 4X as many points as if you would have killed him with a F4U-C (ENY 10).
2. Likewise, killing an enemy plane with a low ENY value earns you more points than those with higher ENY values. Shooting down a N1K (ENY 10) earns you 4X as many points as you would have earned killing 109F (ENY 40).
3. Assists earn 25% score points as do kills.
4. Landing earns you 100% of your earned points for that sortie. Ditching earns you 75%. Bailing earns 50%. Getting captured earns 40% and Death or Disco means you cash in on 25% of your earned points for that sortie.
5. The Perk Point system works in a similar fashion to the Score Point system. The big difference being that there is not a great punishment for dying in regards to earning perk points. Killing a F4U-C with a 109F will earn you 5 Perk Points if you land, and 4 Perk Points if you die, ditch, bail or get captured. Killing a 109F with a F4U-C will earn you 0.3125 Perk Points if you land, and 0.25 Perk Points if you die, ditch, bail or get captured.
6. Maneuver kills earn you no Score Points (or Perk Points) {I think...}.
7. There seams to be more to the Score Point system than I have described above.
Suppose that you shoot down a 262 (ENY 5) with your 202 (ENY 50). To earn as many points in a 262 sortie that you die in, while fighting 202s, you must kill... 400 OF THE LITTLE BUGGERS! The 202 earned 10X points for killing the 262. While each kill of a 202 from a 262 earns only 0.025X points. (25% for dying times 5/50).
eskimo