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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: oboe on January 15, 2002, 06:43:09 AM
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Which Japanese fighter are you interested in seeing HTC add next?
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Great Poll, oboe! :)
-Mitsu
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Mitsu,
do you know what made the Ki.100 a great combat aircraft? The limited performance statistics I have on the airplane show a non-spectacular max speed and climb rate.
The plane has a very good reputation, but I think I'd feel safer in a Ki.84.
Thanks!
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Originally posted by oboe
Mitsu,
do you know what made the Ki.100 a great combat aircraft? The limited performance statistics I have on the airplane show a non-spectacular max speed and climb rate.
The plane has a very good reputation, but I think I'd feel safer in a Ki.84.
Thanks!
The Ki-100 radial engine gave it outstanding reliability versus the Ki-61s inline engine. Also the Ki-100 could perform well at very high altitudes which made it a much better option for intercepting high flying B-29s.
So while the Ki-61 may be faster, in the field is was hard to maintain and often didnt hit the rated engine output because of maintainance troubles. The ki-100 was familiar(used radial) and reliable.
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Thanks for responding Silo.
It must be something more than just reliability though. I had read somewhere about its high altitude performance - it had a special supercharger arrangement or something.
I've never seen any charts on its performance though.
I
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Originally posted by -=Silo=-
The Ki-100 radial engine gave it outstanding reliability versus the Ki-61s inline engine. Also the Ki-100 could perform well at very high altitudes which made it a much better option for intercepting high flying B-29s.
So while the Ki-61 may be faster, in the field is was hard to maintain and often didnt hit the rated engine output because of maintainance troubles. The ki-100 was familiar(used radial) and reliable.
Kawasaki deserved credit for converting from an inverted V-12 to a radial, and managing to blend that large diameter engine into that narrow fuselage. Nonetheless, the Ki-100 can't hope to measure up to the hype that currently surrounds it.
AH currently has two IJN fighters in the A6M5 and NiK2-J, while only offering the Ki-61 as a representative of JAAF fighters. Surely, if HTC decides to include another Japanese fighter, it should be an Army model, preferably one of the Nakajimas.
My regards,
Widewing
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Silo, you may be talking about Ki-100-II.
True, it had supercharger, and it was better than Ki-61 or Ki-100-II at high alt in test.
but it hasn't been mass-produced before the end of the war (only 3 prototypes have been built).
I think that Ki-100-I's high alt performance was common as compared to any Japanese fighters.
Well, oboe,
Ki-100-I is much better than Ki-61-I-Tei (it's known as Ki-61-I-KAIc in AH).
Ki-61-I-KAIc was too heavy in I models, its merit was only it has 20mm cannons.
And, Ki-61-I-KAIc's advantage against Ki-100 is only dive performance, I think.
Ki-100-I's Advantages (almost against Ki-61-I-KAIc):
1) reliable in the war.
2) 105kg lighter than Ki-61-I-KAIc (330kg lighter against Ki-61-II).
3) Better maneuverability and handling by shorter nose, and removed heavy radiator and weight balance.
4) Slower stall speed.
5) Better climb performance.
6) Better power loading by powerful engine.
7) Good dive performance like Ki-61.
8) Good armament. 2 Ho-5 20mm cannon on nose have 250 rounds per gun! (KAIc has 120 rds. per gun)
9) More longer cruising range (1400km without DT, 2200km with 1 DT).
Famous Ki-100 Kills:
244th Sentai's Ki-100-Is have killed 7 F4Us by 3 loss in 1945/6/3.
111st Sentai's 12 Ki-100-Is have killed 11 P-51s by 3 loss in 1945/7/15.
244th Sentai's 10 or more Ki-100-Is have killed 10 F6Fs by 2 loss in 1945/7/25.
244th Sentai's Fighter pilot said "Ki-61 was most good against B-29, but Ki-100 was more good against B-29 and enemy fighters."
so, it would be not best in AH, but be nice plane. :)
-Mitsu
P.S
If I can, I wanna tell you about Japanese WWII military aircraft references in Japan.
because English Japanese WWII aircraft data has a lot of errors...
But unfortunately, my english is really crappy! :(
Widewing,
SUPERFLY can make Ki-100 easily by using Ki-61 airframe... :cool:
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I want Ki-100-I-b (bubble canopy model) in Aces High. :cool:
(http://www.ijaafpics.com/JB&W2/Ki-100-26.jpg)
-Mitsu
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Err... 250 rounds per gun?!!! Oh My!
Thanks for the clarification (as usual :cool:) ) Mitsu.
Once I get my Web Pages up, I will be bothering you a lot :D
EDIT: Would you happen to know around what month/year the IJN stopped using the 100 round Type 99 drum and started using belt ammo to increase the ammo load?
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Japanese WWII military website says Type-99 model 2 mod 4 (belt ammo) has started to be produced from October 1943. and production of Type-99 model 1 mod 4 (is belt ammo too) has stopped in February 1945.
Sorry Silo, I don't know about IJN well.
-Mitsu
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Thought the KI-100 was as fast as the P51 and able to out turn, out climb, and out dive it?
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> KI-100 was as fast as the P51
Nope.
> and able to out turn
Yes.
> out climb
A bit better.
> and out dive it?
It may catch Pony.
result:
P51 is uber, perk it! :p
-Mitsu
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This page is talking correctly about Ki-100 history.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ki100.html
-Mitsu
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Ki-61-II-Kai
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Mitsu, please, post famous kills of Ki-84 and others japan planes, if possible.
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Famous kills of Ki-84 Hayate:
85th Sentai's 4 Ki-84s have killed 4 P-51s in Sep, 1944.
71st Sentai's Ki-84 which was flown by Fukuda has shot down McGuire's P-38 in 7th Jan, 1945.
47th Sentai's Ki-84s have killed 16 F6Fs and 2 SB2C in 16th Feb, 1945.
51st Sentai's Ki-84s have killed 10 navy planes, and 52nd Sentai's Ki-84s have killed 10 or more navy planes in 16th and 17th Feb, 1945.
47th Sentai's 8 Ki-84s have killed 5 P-38 in 14th Oug, 1945.
Ki-84 and Ki-100 have killed B-29s too, but I don't show its info this time.
-Mitsu
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interim poll ranking:
Total 64 votes
1) Ki-84 Hayate "Frank", 28 votes, 43.75%
2) J2M3a Raiden "Jack", 11 votes, 17.19%
3) Ki-100, 8 votes, 12.50%
4) Ki-43 Hayabusa "Oscar", 8 votes, 12.50%
5) Ki-44 Shoki "Tojo", 4 votes, 6.25%
6) A6M2 Reisen "Zeke", 2 votes, 3.12%
7) A6M3 Reisen "Zeke, 2 votes, 3.12%
8) Don't want another Japanese fighter in AH 1 vote :D, 1.56%
Ki-84 Hayate flying highest now! :cool:
-Mitsu
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No Shinden Kai?
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19 June 1944, 371 Jap aircraft shot down over the Philippine sea with a loss of 17 American aircraft.
ap. 850 shot down between June and August 1944.
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I expected to be the only one to vote for the Ki-43, nice to see it's in third place.
ra
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J7M Shinden is 1 early-prototype only.
-Mitsu
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Prototype only, but one I'd seriously love to fly ever since I built the Hasegawa model...the prototype is supposed to have had staggering performance and handling, plus it's one of the coolest looking planes I know.
Ah well, I guess with the number of regular and common fighters still to be added, it's a bit futile to ask for a prototype plane :) - my vote goes to the Raiden.
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Want Tojo!
Please.
Thank You
Palef
:p
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"19 June 1944, 371 Jap aircraft shot down over the Philippine sea with a loss of 17 American aircraft."
wow. so completely lopsided.
But in AH even IJN/IJAAF aircraft have full awacs radar in the cockpit and they can compete much better.
Westy
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Many, if not most, of those Japanese aircraft were also piloted by trainees. That is a handicap not shared by the Japanese fighters in AH.
Something to note is that kill claims on both sides tend to be exagerated, frequently significantly.
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Don't think those claims for the Marianas Turkey Shoot are overclaimed, they have been gone over and over by historians throughout the years.
I do, however, give the Ki-84 kill claims a second thought.
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
Don't think those claims for the Marianas Turkey Shoot are overclaimed, they have been gone over and over by historians throughout the years.
I do, however, give the Ki-84 kill claims a second thought.
Typically, the worst over-claiming was found in the Soviet and Japanese tallies. It was commonplace for the Russians to claim as much as 4 times the actual enemy losses. Japanese pilots were generally more optimistic, frequently claiming 6 times as many aircraft than were actually shot down. A good example of both sides can be seen when we examine the numbers claimed during the Soviet-Japanese border war of 1939, usually referred to as the Nomonhan Incident.
At the conclusion of the brief war, Russia claimed to have shot down 654 Japanese aircraft. Actual Japanese losses counted were 162. Soviet losses would total 207, but Japanese pilots claimed 1,162 communist planes shot down, with another 98 destroyed on the ground.
I have researched some claims involving American and Japanese air engagements, and have found that the Japanese continued their tradition of grossly over-estimating enemy losses right through the conclusion of the war. Indeed, postwar examination of American claims against Japan shows that over-claiming by U.S. pilots averaged out to just 1.3 times actual Japanese losses.
So bad was the Japanese "honor" system of confirming kills, that even Japanese historians have revised down individual pilot claims to roughly 50% of their initial numbers. However, comparing their revised totals to the American loss records indicates that Japanese victory credits are still likely to be as much as 30% too high.
Following up on the Soviets, we see that they were still grossly over-claiming during the Korean War. Since most of the MiG-15s flown in Korea were piloted by Russians, we know who made what claims. In a nut shell, the Soviets claimed to have shot down more than two times the number of F-86 Sabres than actually served in Korea during the whole of the war. Add to this the inflated claims of the Chinese and North Koreans and we find that they must have been shot down every F-86 produced as late as 1954, to get their totals as of June of 1953:rolleyes:
My regards,
Widewing
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Nath, Killing more Japanese planes in AH is fun, ain't it.
Your posts not fit for this thread. stop it!
-Mitsu
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Someone asked to post famous kills of K84 and other aircraft.
I posted it.
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Nath[BDP], the over-claiming by japan pilots of WW, it's a true history. But at 1944 USA have more planes, much better training pilots(the key), better planes (except the ki-84 and ki-100) and Mitsu ,Cuckoo, etc were too youngs. At WW 2 the P51 D, P-38, F4 and F6 dont fly low and slow like a lot of pilots of AH. Zekes, Niki, ki-61, oscar, etc don't had chace against the later USA planes of war, less more 15k.
Sorry for my english.
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Nath playing the mentally hurt patriot? He he.
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Hurt? No
Proud? Yes
Pablum aside, Sage, I find it hard to believe a Fin would be so contemptuous towards one being slightly chauvinistic. After all, Finnish WWII statistics against the Russians is nothing if not impressive.
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Slavs in general and Russians in particular tend to be boastful and optimistic if not utterly dishonest in their self assesment. This is compounded if they are stuck with a historic inferiority complex like the Russians and the Serbs. Its not surprising they overclaimed greatly and this also applies to their appraisals of weapons systems, theirs is always best.
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vv, and the Japs connects made em see lots of rubber bullets, thus they overclaimed.
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4 people have voted for not adding anymore Japanese aircraft. I just don't understand how anybody could vote that way given what this game is.:eek:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Slavs in general and Russians in particular tend to be boastful and optimistic if not utterly dishonest in their self assesment. This is compounded if they are stuck with a historic inferiority complex like the Russians and the Serbs. Its not surprising they overclaimed greatly and this also applies to their appraisals of weapons systems, theirs is always best.
You ARE pulling someone's leg here....yes?
- oldman
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No Oldman, he's right. We Slavs are just boastfull SOBs. Why just this morning I exagerated 5 times, lied 7 and deceived 9 people. It's genetic :rolleyes: Maybe we can use cranology to explain it. Or maybe our humors are unbalanced. I'm sure there's a scientician who can explain this.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
-Sikboy
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This was a friendly thread. Lets try and keep it that way.