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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on January 16, 2002, 06:29:55 AM
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MTV and SHowtime starting a new channel for the "alternative" lifestyle crowd :rolleyes:
another FLUSH of morality down the ole toliet.. all in the name of the almighty dollar
oh yeah, one of the first advertisers is Viagra :confused:
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You guys have to much time on your...errr... :D
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I gave up on Showtime long ago. I keep hearing advertisements on MTV for some silly showtime show "queer as folk".. wtf? You want me to PAY for showtime and have THAT to change the channel to?
No thanks, I'll stick to my quality stations like HBO and Skinemax. I swear, I think network boards are trying to turn our kids into lil' homos just like them.
-SW
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I dropped all the pay movie channels a few weeks ago, I never watched them anyway- Have about a 100 DVDs and watching them on my progressive scan TV with beutiful DD/DTSES out of my Energies is much better than P&S TV movies. :)
Anyway I dont care if theres GAYTV, It will be a pay channel and I wont watch it.
Plus I think its very nice how every group has their own TV channel, soon theyll want their own everything else and it will be a fun show USA ala Balkans- then Ill prolly move again somewhere else. :(
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"another FLUSH of morality down the ole toliet"
Huh?..what does that have to do with morality?.
Daff
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You have got to be kidding.
I don't like this trend at all. Down here in S. Florida there is a gay activist group called "Glisten" that is trying to influence county school boards to institute homosexual programs in the schools. I'm dead set against their agenda...
Funny thing though, I have worked with a guy for about 18 years and during that time it slowly dawned on me that the dude is gay, although we don't talk about it. He's a conservative Republican which seems unusual for a gay. Him and I have been in some tough situations over the years. I will never forget that when I was released from a hospital stay when I had fractured vertibrae in my back, this guy came to my apt everyday with food to last me the day, and he washed the dishes etc (I was flat on my back for a while). He did it without me even asking.
This guy now lives with a male nurse. I still work with him. I must admit that I have never been over to their house, because I can't really get past that idea of the gay thing, although I guess I accept it. Wierd.
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Originally posted by Eagler
MTV and SHowtime starting a new channel for the "alternative" lifestyle crowd :rolleyes:
another FLUSH of morality down the ole toliet.. all in the name of the almighty dollar
oh yeah, one of the first advertisers is Viagra :confused:
Another flush of civility and acceptance for those we don't understand.........down the toilet :cool:
YOUR vision of morality is not necessarily everyone elses, or even correct. Sorry to break the news to ya.
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Homosexual studies belongs in public education about as much as does white power studies. Hey, white power folks need love, too! :rolleyes:
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Eagler,
Who cares. Its not like any (many?) of us are going to watch it.
Its capitalism at work, and that is what the US is about after all.
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MTV comes as basic cable, yes?
I know showtime doesn't.
My question is this, does this new channel come on basic cable or is it a pay channel?
For some reason I get both HBO and Skinemax on basic (YES!), but MTV itself is on basic.
All I want to know is, will this be a channel I will have to get removed or will it be an option?
If it's a channel I have to get removed or blocked, then I don't like this at all.
If it's a channel I have to personally order- I don't care then.
-SW
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So what... we have the CT... cable tv has GayTV. Not really much of a difference.
AKDejaVu
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Oh fer krise sakes Stain.....its a channel you can freakin change!
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Point is, I don't want it coming in at all. Much like how I have the religious channels blocked. I just do not want them.
-SW
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Saw on CNN it will be a subscription channel like HBO/Showtime.
Thats fine by me as Gays are overwhemingly affluent compared to the population at large, they can afford it. Thats not prejudice, its statistics.
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Homosexuality is a mental illness that needs to be treated not promoted.
You can call it an "alternative lifestyle" if you want to but it's still not right.
Call me a Homophobe if you want but it still does not change the fact that gay people are not right in the head and should never EVER be allowed near children either in person or on the TV.
If you want your kids to grow up thinking that shoving their dick into another guy's bellybutton is fine or that your daughter should love to go down on another girl then maybe you shouldn't have kids.
I used to say that as long as Gays kept to themselfs that I had no problem with them but it's obvious that they want to corrupt the world with their sickness.
Be thankful that I'm not in charge cause all you sick worthless gays/gay supporters would be locked away so that our children wouldn't have to be near to your sick deluded minds.
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An aqcuaintance of mine used to be an orderly in a mental hospital many years ago. He told me about this asylum inmate there who had a really, really long noodle. He said all this crazy dude ever did was sit in a corner and suck his own noodle all day long. I wonder if that counts for being gay? :D
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Ban the gay toejam!
Let's concentrate on straight, macho white boy dwarf fun such as that American Statment of Youth: "love muffin!"
(Did you catch that "poo cocktail" episode? Now there's something only something only a healthily normal, hetrosexaul guy could think of - cover parts of your body with some one else's toejam! Let's see those liberal studmuffingots top that!)
Mean while, as Keiran contiunues to teach "Special theory of biology" at Kentucky U; SW ponders how much he'll have to shell out for the new service....
Next Week!:
How the founders of the SAS would be hounded out of todays modernly macho man's man's man's army in:
"That's a nice tartan skirt you've got there, David Stirling..."
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So what you're saying is that you will be the first one to order this channel Seeker?
-SW
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And they put that lucky guy to the asylum.. sheesh.. :p
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Originally posted by Stain
So what you're saying is that you will be the first one to order this channel Seeker?
-SW
Did he just tell us what he's seeking? It's all in the name! :D
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Only if I can beat the entire Luftwaffe to it
Something to do with leather........
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Good point, I forgot about the LuftWaffles. I guess we know where the funding to start this channel is coming from!
;)
-SW
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Grunherz posted:
"Thats fine by me as Gays are overwhemingly affluent compared to the population at large, they can afford it. Thats not prejudice, its statistics."
LOL...I bet they all work in the entertainment industry and are mostly Jewish too. Is there really such a statistic Grun?
:rolleyes:
Most prejudices are backed up by statistics.
Most child pornographers and pedophiles are heterosexual, your kids are safer with a gay person. That's statistics:cool:
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The repression in this thread is amazing. Can you say 'overcompensation'?
Who friggin' cares if there is gay tv?
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Tahgut they are overwhelmingly wealthier and better educated than the average citizen of the USA....
What does the Jewish and Hollywood thing have to do with gay people? Are you trying to change the subject?
So I guess you dont belive in statistics? Ok so you dont belive in statistics about DWB? Your sons are stupid prejudiced liers then right?
No more statistics for Tahgut!
Or do you just belive statistics that fit your biases well?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Or do you just belive statistics that fit your biases well?
The irony of this statement is perfect.
And where did you get this idea that where you put the tackle affects your ability to get a good paying job? Wouldn't a gay person be LESS likely to have a high paying job since they would have to deal with the majority of employers acting as terrified of them as you obviously are? Or maybe the gay children of uneducated, ignorant, slack jaw yokels such as yourself are just too scared of what would happen if their parents knew, so they just don't tell them, or better yet, are miserable their entire life.
You would really be better off putting your energies into worrying about things that matter. Poor self-loathers.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Tahgut they are overwhelmingly wealthier and better educated than the average citizen of the USA....
What does the Jewish and Hollywood thing have to do with gay people? Are you trying to change the subject?
So I guess you dont belive in statistics? Ok so you dont belive in statistics about DWB? Your sons are stupid prejudiced liers then right?
No more statistics for Tahgut!
Or do you just belive statistics that fit your biases well?
:D Grun you ignorant slut :D
Where are these statistics?
DWB I believe I said existed because I had experienced it. You are making a generalization about an entire community and saying it is statistically true.
Statistics are statistics, BELIEVING in them is irrelevant. I believe in statistics to the extent that they are believable. It depends on the question, the group asked, the demographics....etc. etc.
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"Or maybe the gay children of uneducated, ignorant, slack jaw yokels such as yourself are just too scared of what would happen if their parents knew, so they just don't tell them, or better yet, are miserable their entire life."
diddly You for this personal attack. Really diddly You Kratzer, I just dont see why took this personal and attacked my Family. My parents who are both intelligent and well educated people and especially my Father who worked his bellybutton of his whole life getting an education and taking an enormous risk coming to the USA and now extremly succesful at a software company. And now you call me gay. And nowhere in the thread did I personally insult or attack anyone, you put this garbage on me for no reason.
You went too far! And yes you hurt me, I dont really care what a person like you could say from the safety of the internet about me but dont dare bring my family into this you bastard.
I demand an immediate apology and retraction mof that stament by you.
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I saw it on a CNN report on TV some time ago Tahgut.
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lol
a bunch of homo-phobes.. :D
dont fear the studmuffins they dont like you anyway. One of the coolest guys i ever new was a homo, he didnt care who knew. didnt dress gay, or act gay but he was deffinately a ass-pirate..
You know what they say about homo-phobes.. they are scared of homos because they think they might be gay ;)
lol..
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I would never say anything bad about your parents without meeting them first. Give that post another read, and you will see that I am talking to you, and basing my comments on your uneducated, ignorant comments. Views like yours cause a helluva lot more hurt and damage than me taking a little shot at you ever could. I'm sure you are a tough guy, and can take it.
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Or maybe the gay children of uneducated, ignorant, slack jaw yokels such as yourself
This clearly refers to my parents!
Apologize!
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but gays need an awful lot of drama. an AWFUL LOT. more, i'm afraid, than regular tv can deliver.
shows like "sailor gossip" will surely uh...fill the gap.
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*sigh*
I would never be so blunt as to just come straight out and call one of you a homosexual - this would insinuate that I felt it was an insult. However, as Amon noted, it is certainly possible that some people in this thread are doing a lot of macho posturing to cover up latent tendencies, but that is not for me to decide.
I'll break it down for you again:
"uneducated, ignorant, slack-jawed yokels such as yourself"
Though I'm sure you learned this behaviour somewhere, it isn't for me to cast stones at people I've never met.
And in any case, what benefit would I get from apologizing to you?
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They already have a Gay Channel, it's called Lifetime. They should reconsider and start a Stoner Channel. Who watches more TV than stoners? That would be a money maker.
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CHILDREN of uneducated, ignorant, slack-jawed yokels such as YOURSELF
That middle thing referers to my parents, im only brought in by YOURSELF at the end. Simple english grammar.
Plusay that was so frightening to you, I didnt attacxk gays, didnt call the channel immoral didnt have any issue with it at all. all I said was a simple demographic fact that gay people tend to be wealthier an/or better educated than the population at large. WTF is wrong with that? Asians tend to be the same. Whites tend to be wealthier and better educatec than Blacks. Hispanics tend to be the fastet growing ethnic group in the USA. UIslam is the fastest growing religion in the USA. All these are just whoopee statistics. Its not my problem if you are offended by that.
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Ah... Lifetime. TV for Raub. ;)
I don't know any women who would actually watch that crap.
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Oh I dont know...the thought of two hottie chicks getting it on is kind of cool :p
Yea...the hairy butt lovers I can do w/out but heck bring on them bisexual good looking chicks you see in those porns!
xBAT
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TIP: When someone says, "No, you misunderstood me", they mean "No, you misunderstood me"
If your grammar is anywhere near the quality of your spelling, then I think I'll continue to keep my own council.
It would mean what you think it means if two things happened:
1. That's what I meant.
2. It read "children of uneducated, ignorant, slack-jawed yokels , such as yourself,"
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So what exacly happend to the freedom of expresion ?
Personal freedom to live our lifes as we wish ?
Noone is forcing your children to watch anything.
Pornographic tapes are avaiable everywhere, porn on internet is so easy to find that even 5 year old can do it. So shall we shut down internet because there are gay sites on it ? They corrupt our children ?
Get real people.
Whether it is a sickness or inherited state is a debate on which jury is still out. But, having been in service and working and living among gays, i know well enough to see though your Pat Robertson "They are gonna turn our kids into studmuffingots" bull.
Most of them are perfectly happy left to themselves. And, you would be suprised how many people around are acually gay :) had you only known...
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Amon I know your joking but I always love the comment "If you don't like gays it's because you are to afraid to admit your gay".
It's BS!
That line is used by Gays who can't admit that they are sick and need to be helped. (Not talking about you Amon) It's used by Gays who are still in the closet because they still have a slim grasp on reality but need to justify their pathetic lifestyle.
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I'm going to apologize to Grunherz and start in on Mighty1.
Amon is joking, but there is truth in his joke.
And 'cure' gays? That's like saying you can cure me of eating.
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Fd ski if they kept their sickness in their home then there wouldn't be a problem but they don't. They march down the streets in GAY PRIDE parades and try to have special laws passed to protect themselfs while they corrupt our children.
You ask us what exacly happend to the freedom of expresion ?
Personal freedom to live our lifes as we wish ?
But what about OUR rights? What about the people who dislike this type of behavior? We have no rights! We have no laws protecting us! We have laws that tell us we must not hate gays or minorities or woman or anyone else except straight white males. You can hate us all you want and no one cares hell you can even kill us and you don't get as much jail time. If I were to kill a gay I would get 10 extra years in jail! Why? What is so precious about gays or minorities that I should be punished extra? Is their life worth more than mine? I don't think so!
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Hah! Who knew a topic about a gay tv channel would turn into a flame war...
I will assume, for the sake of this thread, that I am being refernced to in one of the many things said in this thread because I don't want the gay channel to come through my TV.
Now look, it's just utterly rediculous to assume that I am either a) a homophobe or b) a closet homo because I do not want the channel to come through my TV set. Like I said, if it's a pay channel I won't care. I just don't want it. Kind of like me coming to your doorstep and pissing on it. You sure wouldn't want me doing that, would you? Well, I don't want their stuff coming through on my TV set.
-SW
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Kratzer I never said there was a cure for them. It's like cancer..there needs to be a cure but one is not known yet.
Saying there is truth in that statement is like saying "You don't like rapist because you are afraid that YOU are a rapist". It's a crock of chit!
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Yeah Mighty1, you are a much better target.
First of all, how are they corrupting your children? Are their 'gay germs' going to rub off and infect your children with this 'sickness' you speak of?
Secondly, how are they interfering with your rights? Were the freedom riders interfering with your rights during the civil rights movement too?
Did you ever think that maybe the reason they resort to large demonstrations is because of the hatred and violence they meet at the hands of people (and no, not Grunherz's parents :rolleyes: ) who are scared of them simply because they aren't straight white males?
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Kratzer it seems you just want to argue regardless of what the topic is so this is where I'm going to leave it.
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People forget that there was a scientist here sometime ago that had research to prove homosexuality was a gene defect. His research was found to be altered and he was discredited. There is NO proof that homosexuality is ANYTHING other than a product of enviroment.
xBAT
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Sayeth Seeker
Mean while, as Keiran contiunues to teach "Special theory of biology" at Kentucky U;
So... my saying homosexual studies doesn't belong in public education offends you? Or did you mistakenly believe I am for white power? Or are you for white power homosexuals? Or are you for homosexuals that educate about white power?
Really, my point is made in response to the earlier remark regarding homosexual studies for public education. Sorry, no can do. I would be just as offended if I were asked to teach white power, black power, or any other fringe group. You are perfectly capable of practicing your activities without the support of public education. Heck, if I can't even mention the word "God" in my class, I'll be damned if I am going to discuss the safe way to place your noodle in the appropriate orifice.
Yup, homosexuality is a reality in our society we must accept. Making it mainstream behavior I feel is wrong, and is my right to protest until such rights are legislated away. Until then I continue to "overcompensate". Thank God we have enlightened people such as yourself to show how ignorant I really am.
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So mighty1, if i don't like Black people ( just giving example here ) because their evil "culture" of rap and other associated crap is "corrupting our children", should we round them all up and "cure" them, or better yet, should i be "protected" from them ? Maybe we could ship them all back to Africa ? Or, since they are obviously in need of good of fashioned "hard work" instead of their liberal wasting of time, maybe we should bring slavary back for those whom i don't deem worthy ?
Say, i could have office next to you somewhere in Washington DC, you could send studmuffins to their island, and i'll be judging black ? When we run out, you can take mexicans and i'll deal with all the feminist... i'm sure we won't be bored.. list is long... we can later do all time favorites.. jews !!! Yes, i'm sure someone doesn't like them !!! Gipsies... than those bastards germans... and in the end we can do anyone who is not at least 5 foot tall... oh boy we could have fun !!!
And now let me do a simple explanation of what Personal freedom means:
Within scope of the law, i can do whatever the hell i please, and you, your opinion or any other influence have no right on impleding me in my pursuit of happiness. Even if it involves doing weird things with my amazinhunk.
Is that clear enough ?
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Just one thing that hit me....
Parents, or atleast society, is trying to get violence removed from TV and other such stuff because they believe it influences children into doing horrible things.....
but they gots no problems with airing turd burglars on TV for these very same children to see?
Whassa matter? Violence influences our kids but watching some guy slip another guy a weenie dog into the chili bowl won't influence them?
Double standards, hypocritical and simply retarded.
Just seems to me like it's either accept it or they'll make us accept it.
-SW
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Other peoples sex lives bore me cross eyed. Who give a toejam.
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free or pay, I find it wierd that they have to have "their" channel
we have queers er homosexuals on tv already "Will and Grace" , "ER" , "Friends" and others directly or indirectly deal with it, too much for my taste on network tv, no less, before 10pm.
why a "GAY" ch, why a "BET"? If someone came out with a "White Straight Channel" they be crucified with every nutcase nazi org, kkk type wanting air time ... weird I tell ya.
PC BS, it's a one way street ..............
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My problem is with the militant gay agenda in S. Florida. This is a hard core political agenda that "GLSEN" (Glisten) is trying very hard to get into the liberal schools down here. I'll fight this with every resource I can muster. And I don't think anybody can say I'm homophobic.
Gays down here call us heteros "breeders". What right do the gays, who are largely without children, have to put this disgusting matierial into our schools? Kids don't need to see this.
By the way, I know a gay person or two who disagree with it also.
Check it out GLISTEN (http://www.stevekaneshow.com/glsenlp.htm)
Note that according to their lesson plan, if you "accept" someone's homosexuality, you are HOMOPHOBIC!
Direct quote: Acceptance - Still implies that there is something to accept. Characterized by such statements as, "You're not a lesbian to me, you're a person!" or "What you do in your own bed is your business." or "That's fine with me as long as you don't flaunt it."
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"I'll be damned if I am going to discuss the safe way to place your noodle in the appropriate orifice. "
Tell me something, because to be honest the only way I find about America is to talk to Americans; is your educational service so afraid that the above statement is true? Do American schools genuinely neglect sex education and leave it up to the little buggers them selves to form ideas of appropriate sexuel mores, morals, values and practises from each other and from dubious, untrustworthy sources?
What's your teen birth rate like over there? The teen HIV stats?
Do any of you "men" really believe that you could be convinced, educated or persuaded to be gay? Could you have been at fifteen? At ten? At which age where you so unsure as to not know what you wanted?
Fear of rape I can understand, although that's really a hetrosexual problem, but fear of education?
Wow, I never knew homosexuality is so frighteningly addictive that information concerning it needs to be suppressed! Guess I've been lucky all these years, hell, no, all of Europe has been lucky not to have drowned helplessly in a race threatning wave of non-heredity promoting practise addiction!
This goes against the very philosophical foundations of our free thiking Western Democratic Way of Life! How sad those ancients of Athens and Sparta would be today to see how we have turned away from them and instead have taken up the practise of Perversion!....
Hang on a minute..something's wrong here. Kieren? I'm confused...
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Kratzer it seems you just want to argue regardless of what the topic is so this is where I'm going to leave it.
I asked some very simple questions, all of which pertain not only to the question at hand, but to the statements you made.
Are you sure the problem isn't just that you don't have a good answer to them?
As for the rest of this mess...
Why the hell would anyone choose to be gay? What sort of environment 'makes' someone gay, batdog? Is it the same one where you can 'create' mice through a simple recipe of old rags and grain? Sorry, but I think they discredited spontaneous generation a while back...
Help me identify where the 'gayness' came from in this story:
A kid grows up in Wyoming. His dad works in agriculture, is homophobic, and works with the local 4H chapter. The kid grows up, he raises cows in 4H, he learns about cattle ranching and agriculture, he's on the wrestling team. Somehow he turns out gay. Was it the wrestling that did it? Too much time with the cows? It seems that his environment was the perfect one to create a straight, white male.
Is there some kind of hidden gay agenda where gay people say that they just are the way they are, and that they had no choice in the matter, and really, they just decided it would be great fun to be part of a universally hated group, targeted for violence, shunned by their friends and families?
Ooooh! Where do I sign up?
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I don't need a lesson on someones rights! I know what rights they have or they wouldn't be here right now!
Seeker why is it that Gays and Gay supporters always say that straight people are "afraid" of them?
Are you "afraid" that blacks or jews or woman etc etc are going to somehow ruin your life? Prolly not but does that mean you have to support them or like them in any way? Hell no!
As FD ski likes to point out everyone has the right to express themselfs wether they like having a dick shoved up their bellybutton or not.
MY opinion is that it is an illness and should be dealt with in the same manner as other mental illnesses.
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Your opinion is sad, and I would hope to change it. I'm not likely to do so by yelling and insulting your mother (;)), so I apologize... I hope your opinion changes with experience and education.
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No need to be so obtuse. We are not allowed to teach religion in our schools because we have a little thing called "separation of church and state". The basis of that notion is we don't want the church to dictate our morals or affiliations. Now it is suggested we integrate a lifestyle into our curriculum that is no more valid than religion. What we are then doing is allowing a state-sponsored entity (education) to normalize what could be called a fringe activity.
If I cannot teach religion for fear of ostracizing many who don't share my views, how could teaching homosexuality in public schools do any less so? Again, why not teach white power, it's the same thing?
I am not afraid of being homosexually raped- thanks for the stereotypical response. I am afraid of an agenda to normalize something that in my mind isn't normal. Like it or not, I too have the right to an opinion on the matter, and will resist all attempts to rationalize what cannot be natural behavior. Again, if you practice this in your own home, fine with me, really. Ask me to teach gay pride in school? Forget it. I work in schools, you don't. I know how these things come in increments. Today we teach about the wonderful things homosexuals have done in history; tomorrow we are teaching homosexual safe sex.
Oh, FWIW, for all the sex ed we do teach in school, those statistics you refer to just keep a climbin'. Teaching safe sex at school hasn't done a thing to reduce teen pregnancy nor the transmission of vd. If anything it has only made teen sex more socially acceptable. Please, quote me some statistics that prove otherwise.
I firmly believe these topics are the parents' responsibility, just as is religion. You would be the first one jumping around waving your arms if we taught religion in school, right? Well, I am religious but accept religion cannot be taught in school, nor is it the responsibility of the schools to do so. Why then should I bend to the will of a fringe group that I don't believe is right anyway?
Frankly, I don't give a damn if you agree with me or not.
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Homosexuality is not a natural or normal thing. If it was, there'd be a whole slew of butt babies running around. Homosexuals do have a right to equal treatment and freedom of expression, but I also have the right to not want my children exposed to it.
GayTV? I could give a toejam, I give it 6 months tops before it's off the air. The fact that they feel the need to have their own programming strikes me as odd. The surest way to avoid being accepted is to make continual efforts to distinguish yourself from the rest of the population.
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"Seeker why is it that Gays and Gay supporters always say that straight people are "afraid" of them? "
They are.
Is this familiar?
"of course, I've nothing against gays myself, just so long as they leave me alone. I always feel uncomfortable when they pester me".
This sounds fair enough. Then again, we've all heard this one too from our wives and girlfriends
"I wish there were more girl only places. Somewhere where I could dress up how I like and have a drink in peace with out being bothered".
Sound familiar?
Of course, we men know they're lieing sluts; because let's face it; if they didn't want to be bothered, why would they walk around with bare navels, tit's half hanging out and painted faces, right?
The truth is the first time most average, straight, normal men are faced with the appalling, in your face, won't take no for an answer, are you sure you don't want a drink cutie pie, I can get you off baby! nature of male sexuality they're bloody terrified!
I mean, woudn't you be terrified if some giant coal miner type grabed your bellybutton instead of your girlfriends? What about when all his mates nudge each other and jeeringly wolf whistle at you? Or stand in the way so you *have* to rub past them to get to the bar. Go on out in the town tonight, you'll see ordinary, respectable men doing the above in every bar. Not one of then ever considers what it would be like to be on the receiving end; after all, can't the objects of all this attention just take it as a compliment?
Well, would you? Could you? How many ways can you think of of saying "no thank you, I don't want to dance"? How many times would you be prepared to say it without kneeing him in the nuts? Ask your girlfriend to read this; then ask her what she thinks.
Pretty soon you'd be saying things like "I wish there was a place where we boys could go and just drink without being hit on all they time"; no?
Either that or flying 109's, anyway..........
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Whoa, Seeker, that was just a little out there. But, FWIW, if that is what I have to look forward to if we mainstream homosexuality as the new "Sport of Kings", then Hell YEAH! I'm against it!
I think Mighty has been clear; he doesn't like gays, but he doesn't have to like them- they exist anyway. What he doesn't have to condone is pressure to expose his children, in school or on TV, to a lifestyle he totally disagrees with. Or are you suggesting he doesn't have this right?
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after readin this thread, sumpin tells me there are a few of you just waiting to subscribe .. u go girl!
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Excellent points, seeker.
I think the line that needs to be drawn, and one that Raub touched on, is that between not liking something and being afraid of and hating something.
I agree that our schools should not be responsible for the moral education of our children - parents should. I think it is also very important for parents to teach acceptance and respect for people who are different rather than fear and hatred.
As long as people set out to vocally condemn gay people as being 'bad', or 'sick', gay people will feel the need to identify themselves as a community (strength in numbers)... In my opinion, lack of acceptance leads to the very thing Raub mentioned - 'the surest way to avoid acceptance is to make continual efforts to distinguish yourself from the rest of the population'. If everyone didn't give a toejam who was sticking what and in whom they were sticking it, then it would immediately cease to be an issue. As it stands now, it is used as the basis for the worth of the person - both by (some, not all) gays, who can be guilty of identifying themselves solely by their orientation, and by (some, not all) straights, who continue to condemn people, and judge them on the whole based solely on orientation.
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Amon I know your joking but I always love the comment "If you don't like gays it's because you are to afraid to admit your gay".
No. I am not saying "if you dont like them you are gay". Im saying if you are scared of gay people, or lash out at the thoughts of them.
they shouldnt bother you at all. You dont have to only dislike or like, you CAN be neutral if you wish.
Its there choice, not yours.
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So much comedic potential, so little time...
"Hey, I can't help it I'm straight, ok? You think I'd choose to be straight? You think I'd choose to be afraid of the big, bad homosexuals running around? I wish I weren't different..."
The thought occurs to me that, if homosexuality is not a choice and is inborn, why do we have to teach about it? I mean, if you're gay, you're gay. If you're not, you're not. Seems to me teaching about it means trying to reach someone, for or against, that cannot be reached.
Then again, are we suggesting kids can't be influenced? If so, there are many people on Madison Avenue laughing their arses off at us right now, because advertising does work. That means there is the possiblity we might influence people who otherwise would not "experiment" to delve into homosexual activities. Yes, that does bother me, because I don't want either of my daughters bringing home their girlfriends for our approval.
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1. I actually watched an episode of "Queer as Folk" when it played here a while ago, and I thought it was just bad TV, just a crap show. I guess I should've taken the high moral stand, just ignored it and hoped it went away leaving my tunnel vision barely intact, but then I always to prefer to judge on merit.
2. The funny thing about TV is the remote. You can actually TURN channels when required. I'm not making it up look into it you'll find it totally true. I use that function everytime Benny Hinn magically apears.
3. Mighty1, being homosexual is not a mental deficiency. I prefer to think that your attitude does lend it self to a IQ deficient mind however.
4. I can't believe I read the whole thing.
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You can tell the difference between a straight person and a gay person. Male or female by appearance or the way they talk.
However, you also can't tell a gay person from a straight person by the way they talk, walk or appear. Female or male.
I don't like, actually pretty much am disgusted, by the former. However, the latter, I don't care... I can't tell, and so long as they keep it inside their home.. why should I care?
What do I see if I see 2 men kissing in the street? I cringe, it absolutely disgusts me. Same with some guy walking down the street dressed up in drag, or with make up on, or wearing some other clothing which a person right in the head would not wear. Or two guys holding hands. Or two guys playing grab ass.
Is it really too much to ask to keep that crap inside?
It's certainly not a normal thing, but people are trying to make it that way.
And why? There is nothing to be gained by letting the world know you like in da butt!
So I guess you could say, I don't care as long as I don't know. but I still don't find it acceptable.
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Kieren,
I'm honestly surprised at you in this, you're not normaly so up tight. However.....
"Now it is suggested we integrate a lifestyle into our curriculum that is no more valid than religion."
That's a beautifull sentance, and I cannot fault it in any way; so far as it goes.
"If I cannot teach religion for fear of ostracizing many who don't share my views, how could teaching homosexuality in public schools do any less so?"
A extremly valid point; but I think we may be talking somewhat at crosspurposes here: I took your prior post to suggest that sex education as a whole was taboo; which I find shockingly irresponsible. And, if it's not, then homosexuality is but a small part of that greater subject, no? After all, using your perfectly valid white power example; I'd imagine that actualy you're forbidden to promote white power, but encouraged to develop debate on race relations. Should not sexuality recieve the same sensitivty? I do believe stats show that over 17% of your pupils do indeed need education in this area.
"I am not afraid of being homosexually raped"
Then you're bloody wierd. It terrifies any one else I've ever discussed it with; and I don't believe anything I said led you to:
"- thanks for the stereotypical response."
Is that where this came from?
"Again, if you practice this in your own home, fine with me"
As for this:
"tomorrow we are teaching homosexual safe sex."
I should hope so to! You teach road safety, don't you? You can't believe that if safe sex isn't taught, they'll all catch aids and die and the problem will go away?
(I could be way out of line here; I know how much cultural norms differ on both sides of the pond. For the record; "full" sex education, covering safe sex etc is mandatory for "both ways" in most, if not all of Europe)
"Oh, FWIW, for all the sex ed we do teach in school, those statistics you refer to just keep a climbin'. Teaching safe sex at school hasn't done a thing to reduce teen pregnancy nor the transmission of vd. If anything it has only made teen sex more socially acceptable. Please, quote me some statistics that prove otherwise. "
I don't "do" stats, if I did, I'd have some on the Spit. But they're out there. However, more relevantly, while I can't argue with your conclusion above in your demographic area, what's your alternative? Do you actualy believe that sex education has lead to a rise in extra marital promiscuity?
"I firmly believe these topics are the parents' responsibility, just as is religion."
I can come very close to agreeing with you here; but not quite. In America you've seperated Church from state, and thereby banished it from the school place altogether, which I think is sad.
Over here; we've done the opposite. Children are not only taught "thier" religion, but to avoid the traps of a monolithic "state socio-religious dynamic" (sounds cool, huh?:) ) they're given a working knowledge of *all* religion. They can take their own, well informed pick then.
We do the same with sexual education too, for the same reason.
different strokes, if you can say it with a straight face!
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"I agree that our schools should not be responsible for the moral education of our children "
No, but they certainly should teach them that homosexuality exists and that it's nothing to be afraid of!
In any case, I'm not at all surprised by the responses. The fightsim (BBS) community seems to be largely compromised by white, christian, rightwing people, so the homophobic outcry was to be expected.
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What would that really matter? Don't you want your children to be happy?
Or is it the thought of what everyone else would think?
I was never taught to fear homosexuals, or that it was 'evil', and I never had any desire to screw another man. If you like girls, you like girls, if you like boys, you like boys. Why does it matter? Because it makes you uncomfortable? So does watching the bed scene in a movie with your mother in the room... hell, most of us have been raised to think that straight sex is dirty, it is understandable that deviant sex is thought to be even more dirty.
A wise friend once said 'Never picture your friends having sex'. We can all take a lesson from that:
Some things are better left private, and what anyone does in their spare time, where we can't see them, and when it doesn't affect us, is their own business. It isn't as if they are drinkin' and drivin'...
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Originally posted by Seeker
"Seeker why is it that Gays and Gay supporters always say that straight people are "afraid" of them? "
They are.
Is this familiar?
"of course, I've nothing against gays myself, just so long as they leave me alone. I always feel uncomfortable when they pester me".
This sounds fair enough. Then again, we've all heard this one too from our wives and girlfriends
"I wish there were more girl only places. Somewhere where I could dress up how I like and have a drink in peace with out being bothered".
Sound familiar?
Of course, we men know they're lieing sluts; because let's face it; if they didn't want to be bothered, why would they walk around with bare navels, tit's half hanging out and painted faces, right?
The truth is the first time most average, straight, normal men are faced with the appalling, in your face, won't take no for an answer, are you sure you don't want a drink cutie pie, I can get you off baby! nature of male sexuality they're bloody terrified!
I mean, woudn't you be terrified if some giant coal miner type grabed your bellybutton instead of your girlfriends? What about when all his mates nudge each other and jeeringly wolf whistle at you? Or stand in the way so you *have* to rub past them to get to the bar. Go on out in the town tonight, you'll see ordinary, respectable men doing the above in every bar. Not one of then ever considers what it would be like to be on the receiving end; after all, can't the objects of all this attention just take it as a compliment?
Well, would you? Could you? How many ways can you think of of saying "no thank you, I don't want to dance"? How many times would you be prepared to say it without kneeing him in the nuts? Ask your girlfriend to read this; then ask her what she thinks.
Pretty soon you'd be saying things like "I wish there was a place where we boys could go and just drink without being hit on all they time"; no?
Either that or flying 109's, anyway..........
Fear isn't part of the equation for most ( i love it when people assume :rolleyes:) Repultion, anger or disgust, if not all 3, would be more like it. You know, women slap you if you're out of line. Well I slap too, only with a closed fist. Don't ask don't tell thing ya know. Get in my personal space with some gay crap and you're most likely going to get "slapped" a couple of times. The only thing I "fear" from gays is that wonderful discease they helped spread in the 80's. The freakin bi's gave it to the chicks so now everybody has to worry about it.
That being said, I've only "slapped" a gay guy once. When I was 19 this dude in my mom's singing group slapped my arse when I was going up the stairs to my room. I turned around called him a few choice words and clocked him on the chin. First time I ever heard a grown man cry like a 5 year old. Yeah I felt bad that he cried like that, didn't get to talk to my mom for 6 months either hehe. He crossed the line though. BTW he was the last human being I ever hit and he died 4 years later of AIDS.
Let em have their silly tv station. I know showtime got turned off at my house because of queer bellybutton folks. One thing I've always wondered/worried about is that society this week says it's ok to be gay. So their all coming out and what not. They better hope society keeps tolerating/liking them. If/when it swings back the other way people will know who they are. That will not be good.
Am I a homophobe? probobly, but I don't really care. It's my right :) Keep ur hands off and you won't get hurt. That's a real simple deal, I can live with it. If he's a big thstrong brute, well I guess I'll have to slap him while holding a chair or beer bottle. In the big picture they really don't bother me or take up any brain power, this is the most I've thought about gays in years. Pretty sad day at the O'club actually. We had some good debates going this week too.
And yes I've got a couple of gay friends. They know my feelings and have NEVER made any sort of a pass at me or my friends. Hell one of em hid it for 10 years. My dad's best friend died from AIDS as did on of my mom's cousins. So don't try and preach about my diversity. I've seen what it does first hand. Someday maybe I'll talk about what I saw when I was 17 working in an Adult bookstore in Houston. I saw them in their natural environment, which lead to my general feeling of disgust at what they do.
go ahead flame away now.
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Note that according to their lesson plan, if you "accept" someone's homosexuality, you are HOMOPHOBIC!
Direct quote: Acceptance - Still implies that there is something to accept. Characterized by such statements as, "You're not a lesbian to me, you're a person!" or "What you do in your own bed is your business." or "That's fine with me as long as you don't flaunt it."
Makes perfect sense to me.
"I accept black people...as long as they don't move into my neighborhood"
"I accept Jews, they are OK as long as they are dealing with money"
"Your not just another idiot to me, your a person"
"You can be a muslim as long as you don't flaunt it.
Try to see the connection there without me having to draw a freakin picture!
NOBODY WANTS TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL!
The classes suggested are to teach tolerance.........sheeeesh! Why is that bad?
I do have one thing to add though......"weiner dog in the chili bowl" now that was funny! :D :D
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No comment.
Well, ALMOST no comment.
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I have never walked up to anyone that I was certain was gay and said, "I don't like your kind and you are not allowed around me." I have worked alongside gays in the past, and as long as they didn't bother me, everything was cool.
It is another thing altogether to talk "tolerance" when what we really mean is "acceptance as a social norm". It isn't, and should never be held as so. Forget comparing it to being black, muslim, or any other silly comparisons you've made. Phyisioligically there is no justification for homosexuality. It is a psychological orientation at best, environmental at worst. If on the one hand it is psychological then that would suggest a "cure" is possible, assuming a person wanted to be cured. If it is environmental, then it seems the worst thing we can do is provide an environment where it is considered "normal".
You know, we could just as easily be discussing pedophiles here. What makes them the way they are? Shouldn't we be teaching them to practice their lifestyles safely? Shouldn't we accept they are as they are, and of course, "why would they choose to be that way, for all the grief they receive?" Perhaps I am wrong, and we should include pedophilia in our sex education programs?
I have no serious problems teaching about the human reproductive system, or about aids, or any other STD. I have a serious problem teaching about a sexual lifestyle of any kind. I guess I am just repressed.
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I've had numerous gay friends in the past and I think they're just the same as everyone else. Sure there are some ranting raving gays that give the rest a bad image, but they're in a very small minority. There are extremists in every social group that give the rest a bad name (who can say Islam?).
Believe me, they're normal people and you wouldn't even know most are gay unless they came out and told you.
I'd love to make an important point that will sway people, but I dont think anyone is listening to anyone else here. :)
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I'm homophobic!!! You be too if ya had to work with the guy on the left 5 days a week! (New Years 2002 pic btw).
Ain't no one gonna teach my kids this is acceptable :)
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I don't know about you guys but every TV I've had since 1990 or so is programmable, allowing me to delete any channels I don't want to see. I delete the televangelist channels, home shopping, CMT, etc., and I'll delete Homovision too. I don't see the problem.
I do think it's funny that there is Black TV, Women's TV, and now Gay TV. Can you imagine the outcry if you made a channel called Hetero White Guy TV? Oh wait, we have it already, it's called TNN. :D
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Keiran, comparing homosexuality and pedophilia is completely off base. As I've noted, what consenting adults decide to do is up to them as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Drinking and driving hurts people. Pedophiles certainly hurt people. Being gay doesn't hurt anyone.
It is amazing how well thought and objective people can be on so many issues... till they hit this one and start making rationalizations that wouldn't stand up to a jury of 6th graders.
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Phyisioligically there is no justification for homosexuality.
I guess that leaves out hummers too...........dam! :(
It is a psychological orientation at best, environmental at worst.
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I believe you are wrong. It is however, just an opinion so drawing a logical conclusion from it is also wrong. see below.
If on the one hand it is psychological then that would suggest a "cure" is possible, assuming a person wanted to be cured. If it is environmental, then it seems the worst thing we can do is provide an environment where it is considered "normal".
No one wants to be gay. They just are. Thats my opinion. Does that make any difference....NO! Whether it is a choice or not they deserve the same rights and priviledges as any American. They should be treated with the same respect as any American.
Your opinion doesn't matter in terms of their acceptance. Tolerance is not an option in our society it is a necessity. We should be directing our anger at the exclusionists. Teaching tolerance in our schools is a matter of survival as a society. Tolerance is the cornerstone of everything Bin Laden hates about our society.
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Its funny though far left liberals and leftists are some of the most closed minded intollerant people I have ever met, go figure.....
Somehow I kust know this statement will piss somebody off for no reason whatsover, remember tolerance before opening fire.
:rolleyes:
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why teh diddly did youput that gay bellybutton picture there
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I agree with GH for some reason. We have a liberal government here in Australia, but they're more right than left and they're also called conservative. Go figure.
Far leftist liberals like to make claims about being tolerant but this usually means tolerant to things they believe in and anyone elses opinion is considered as intolerance.
My personal view isn't because I'm a 'tolerance' activist or a liberal, but because I like people. If you're a good person I'll like you. Doesnt matter if you're gay, black, middle eastern, female, jewish or whatever. People are people. Everyone should be judged on their merits not on their sexual preference, religion, race, social status or anything else.
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About gays and pedophiles ill say this much....
Both could well be natural. If you believe that homosexuality is natural and that nobody chooses to be gay just as nobody chooses to be straight, then whos to say anybody chooses to be or not a pedophile.
Ok nothing too controversial there right? Nobody is crying yet?
Throughout history there have been times and cultures when homosexuality has been more accepted by the population at large, the most famous examples are of course Greece/Rome and associated civilizations. Homosexuality is also widely, though not universally of course, accepted in modern and especially liberal/progressive western society.
Ok nothing too bad yet? No tears I hope....
Througout time what we would now call pedophilia and has been widely acceped and practiced in various cultures as well. Again quite notably in the Roman world and also in Asia/Oceania, IIRC it is still praced in PNG to some extent.
Well whats the point?
50 years ago nobody could have imagined that homosexuality would be so common and acceped and openly practiced let alone taught in schools. Everybody who was "normal" knew and accepted that homosexuality was abnormal.
So I pose this to you all:
Any pedophile supporters out here willing to express themselves in 2002? Anybody?
OK now you may cry, but please remember that oh so famous tolerance.........
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I am 15 and personally this makes me sick. I have a younger brother and he had(had they fired him do too parental complaints) a gay teacher. If i had ever sen that man acting thing but the most straight man on earth i would have personally strangled him on the spot. If my brother ever came home and said some piece of homo propaghanda i would find who poisoned him and find them out. This is not a mental disease i want my brothjer having. It will ruin his life. I am just steaming over the Gay Inuendo i see all over MTV nowadays, in fact, i dont watch it any more because of that. Oh and then the gay dolls. The grizzly dolls they are barbies but are men with well private parts. They sell them at a local TOY STORE, not a gay shop a TOY STORE, i admit its not an all-kids toy store but that is where their buisness is at. I hear UP sued them for making a doll in a UPS uniform, they had to remove it, destroy the inventory, and pay $100,000.
Oh and yall ever heard of captain midnight, they guy who pirated the HBO sattelite in the late 80s in fury at them going to pay system. Now that would be a good idea. But this time lets blow it up instead. Or crash it into their GaY StUdIoS.
But also on your fact that most Pediofiles are normal, reason normal people outnumber gays 19:1 only .05 of america is gay, thats the estimate because they think that many wont come out of there holes. So its prob. more like .01 or something. If you can give me ratios of pediofiles to number of normal people versus pediofiles versus studmuffins then that m be legit well till then im out.
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hehe - this is the measure of a 'far left liberal', eh? I'll have to remember that one for my next homeless saving, women voting, gay, democratic make out meeting.... :rolleyes:
Grunherz, you really need to READ people's posts, but in case I didn't use small enough words:
Gay = no hurt
Pedophilia = hurt
Big difference, wouldn't you say?
Homosexuality is most certainly 'abnormal', but so is punk rock, and there's nothin' wrong with either of 'em.
I think I'll go talk to my dog. She doesn't say much back, but when she does, it isn't as moronic as all this...
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I made no direct moral equation of homosexuality and pedophilia, all I said was that both could be natural.
And I said they were both more accepted at various times and in different cultures than at others.
I said homosexuality wasnt as accepted in the west 50 years ago.
I said pedophilia isnt accepted in the west now. Most "normal" people consider it disgusting immoral dirty sick dangerous deviant unnaceptable bizzare freaky and openly shun and legaly punish its practioners.
I see no direct comparison to gays here, do you?
You say they are both abnormal behaviors. Shall I assume you consider them less normal than heterosexual relationships between consenting adults?
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Nice try GH, but that one really sucked.
So if Homosexuality is "natural" and Pedophelia is "natural" then they must be equivalent in every other way.....................DUH! NO!
One is 2 consenting adults....the other is freakin RAPE!
Hobodog...you sound 15, try not to be so angry at the things you don't understand yet.
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Thank you midnight but you sound like an idot so that comforts me.
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While you're up there on that moral high point Kratzer... just note who is calling whom names and questioning intelligence and stuff.
As far as cliche responses are concerned, I'm a little tired of the ol' "You're just threatened by your repressed feelings" response to anyone that opposes homosexuality. I've said it doesn't belong in schools and I think it's abnormal. That is all. YOU have read into it whatever it is your agenda is calling for.
Seeker's comparison of gay men grabbing bellybutton in a bar seemed ok to you, why not my comparison to pedophiles? You object because pedophiles "hurt children"? That wasn't my point. My point is, "Do pedophiles choose to be pedophiles?" Kinda puts them right there with gays, doesn't it?
I said there is no physiological reason to be gay- got evidence to the contrary? My evidence against it is the design and purpose of genitalia? And you have....?
What's left then? Pyschological or environmental, right? Now then, pychological suggests one can be cured, assuming this is an affliction one desires to shed. OTOH, if a person is gay because of their environment, it would seem we could turn people gay by placing them in an environment conducive to such an event. Get my drift? Either way we go, it doesn't belong in school.
You see, to me no matter how you look at it this isn't something I wish to expose anyone's kids to, especially not mine. Your argument is we need tolerance- and Tah Gut was even kind enough to link my line of thinking to bin Laden (talk about over the top!). I am tolerant, but only to a point. I refuse to believe we need to teach gay or lesbian studies in a public school setting.
Edit: Attributed the bin Laden remark to the wrong guy.
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"Thank you midnight but you sound like an idot so that comforts me."
:cool: Hobodog....you have made my day. :D
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Woo hoo! Its degenerating into abuse!
So dog, tell us all about your vast worldly experiences? When I was your age I thought homosexuals were the lowest form of human life. I was paranoid about them for years until I actually made some friends who are gay. Some I knew were gay from day one(either they told me or someone else did.) Some I didnt find out about for a while. I've only ever known one very openly gay guy, talked it, walked it and acted it. He was an OK guy too and he respected me and my straight outlook on life. On the flip side I've also met a gay guy who made outright offers to me, even though he knew I had a gf. I used some harsh language and made it clear he wasn't to approach me anymore. His behaviour was unacceptable.
The point im making is that over the years my bigoted opinion changed through experience. The real world is a lot different to the one you imagine or you hear about in church or wherever you form your unexperienced opinions from(dont flame me about the church thing, im not against religion).
Paedohpiles, as has been said, are different altogether. They prey on children. Their agenda is to hurt and defile innocents. I'm not sure how they can be associated with homosexuality. Sure, in history you'll find times where society considered paedophilia acceptable. If you look closer you'll find that these societies were considered decadent and mostly they dont exist anymore. Not only were they into paedophilia, they indulged in a whole range of sordid things that brought their society to new lows.
Yes homosexuality was accepted in Rome all those years back, but so was fruit. Does that mean we should shun fruit as well? Dont associate paedophilia and homosexuality, they are two entirely seperate things.
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No, they are not from the viewpoint of what causes the orientation. Is it inborn? Is it psychological? Is it environmental? Make up your mind. Saying they are not the same thing in this area is wrong- you can apply the same arguments to both.
So, if we determine pedophilia occurs through no fault of the afflicted, should we not then practice the tolerance that bin Laden so hates? (you just gotta love that train of thought!) After all, we are enlightened, we should understand they didn't choose to be that way, they just, well, are.
No, no, no, Kieran, those are completely different issues. Gays are gay because they are. Pedophiles are pedophiles because... because...?
Like it or not, Grun has a point. What is unacceptable today is mainstream tomorrow. When I was in elementary school, no boy would have been caught dead in a pink T-shirt for fear of being labeled "gay". 30 years later we have scenes like the one depicted above in public places. Pedophiles, the criminals of today may be the "misunderstood minority" tomorrow.
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SUPER SEXY FLANDERS!
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Note that according to their lesson plan, if you "accept" someone's homosexuality, you are HOMOPHOBIC!
Direct quote: Acceptance - Still implies that there is something to accept. Characterized by such statements as, "You're not a lesbian to me, you're a person!" or "What you do in your own bed is your business." or "That's fine with me as long as you don't flaunt it."
Makes perfect sense to me.
"I accept black people...as long as they don't move into my neighborhood"
"I accept Jews, they are OK as long as they are dealing with money"
"Your not just another idiot to me, your a person"
"You can be a muslim as long as you don't flaunt it.
Try to see the connection there without me having to draw a freakin picture!
NOBODY WANTS TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL!
The classes suggested are to teach tolerance.........sheeeesh! Why is that bad?
I do have one thing to add though......"weiner dog in the chili bowl" now that was funny!
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Tah Gut
Midnight Tahgut
VMF-101 Nightmares
"hovering like a fly, waiting for a windshield on the freeway"
Tahgut, me thinks thou dost protest too much! ;)
Seriously, You missed my point. The Glisten organization that is attempting to get in South Florida schools teaches that TOLERANCE of homosexuality is HOMOPHOBIC.
Again, according to Glisten, TOLERANCE of homosexuality is HOMOPHOBIC. Think about that.
This organization is about ultimately gaining political power and about promotion of homosexuality - I'm not kidding.
If you see their classroom teaching program, its almost like you have to fellate a homosexual to prove you aren't homophobic.
Kids in middle school don't need to hear this. Not my kids.
Its my god given right and responsibility to have my opinion on this. Glisten would have you believe that I'm a homophobe and my opinon isn't valid because of it.
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What school was it recently that dropped- Mother's Day was it?- a school-sponsored event because the gays in the school felt it offended their children? It was posted here a few months ago, can't remember the thread exactly...
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Whats your point though? I have a love of beer, is it inborn or psychological or environmental? Who knows! No one shuns me for loving beer, because beer is normal.
Once again, why are gays gay? Inborn, psychological etc? Who knows! But theres nothing wrong with being gay, from my point of view. You dont like it, well thats up to you. Who am i to tell you what to believe?
On the other hand, why are paedohpiles pike they are. Inborn etc blah blah?? Who knows! But it doesnt change the fact that its predatory, abusive and manipulative.
It doesnt matter WHY you are like you are. It matters how you act towards other people.
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I read that too, Kieren. I forget which school it was. Yep, they dropped the recognition of Mothers Day because a gay organization complained that kids in a class making Mom's day cards with two gay men as parents would feel discriminated against. Its an outrage, is what it is. But frankly, I blame the parents for letting that stuff get out of hand.
By the way, I think the Glisten organization has a national agenda, so they may pop up even out there in the heartland where you are. Their tactics are high pressure, lies and manipulation, and they have attorneys who spearhead the program.
I just learned that after much debate, their program was not allowed in our county schools, thank goodness. :)