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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Raubvogel on January 16, 2002, 07:49:33 PM
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Interesting debate...any dog eaters out there?
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2060840
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Boy you said a mouthfull Raubvogel. Discussing eating poodles with noodles gets a rabid enough repsonse from the animal rights people... just be ready to run if you want to get on the topic of eating one of our tasty cat breeds :p
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Sheesh... nothing wrong with eating dog (although the meat is too sweet for my taste)... It's just another mammal, same as cow, goat, pig, horse, sheep. As to killing the poor beggars humanely - I'm definitely in favour (although there seems no huge outrage over veal, if ya wanna compare cruel).
The animal rights people are basically against eating animals they deem "cute" - so it's open season on Cod, but save the poor doggies.
As the prophet Dennis Leary said:
"Don't eat the Tuna fish!"
"Why not?"
"The dolphins get caught in the nets."
"Well what about the tuna fish?!?"
"F**k the Tuna fish - it never had it's own TV series!"
Next they'll be telling us that growing some types of plants is illegal! :D
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"Charlie's Tacos" near Kadena AB in Okinawa used to do a land office business serving dog tacos. IIRC, the base vet shut them down several times for it. They'd "reform" and reopen... and get closed again later.
I ate them... didn't find out till later they were dog. Meat wasn't the funny part... it was the rice-based tortilla that seemed funny.
Anyway, it's none of OUR business.
I'm sure the Hindus are appalled that we eat Elsie the cow. None of their business either, is it?
We should just stay out of it.
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It's not the dog eaters I'm worried about, it's those evil damn vegitarians, tearing the soul out of our mother earth with each of her plants they rip out by the roots and devour without a thought as to the ecosystem they're destroying.
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To paraphrase Eddie Murphy, Bardot and FIFA should "have a dog burger and a smile and shut the diddly up."
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It interesting where the hypocrite liberal and leftsits CULTURAL RELATIVISM has gone in this case? I guess cultural relativism only applies when its useful to attack and oppress heterosexual white males and their culture. Now I personally find it utterly disguisting that anyone would eat a dog, but I also find it utterly confusing that anybody would be a vegetarian let alone a vegan but its not my right to tell people what they should eat- its their culture and their choice.
Just further proof that leftist animalrights whackos are just little closet Hitlers and Stalins that want to run the world according to theit closed minded hateful agenda.
BTW It is my belef that the whole ultra left wing and leftist movement is the same, whacko animal rights people, anarchists, anti-world trade protestors, the seattle terrorists, the anti war of self defense terrorist lapdogs, anti USA, anti democracy, whacko anti western culture racists, and communists/socialists et all are one and the same- all one happy whacko loon family that poses an enormous threat to any decent freedom-loving truly democratic culture.
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Animal products such as steak, pork chops, bacon, and 2% milk are all super high in saturated fat. This is why many people don't eat meat. Myself, being very health conscious (and a runner) only eat meat 2 or 3 times a week. No amount of running in the world will unstick plaque from your arteries.
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Originally posted by fdiron
Animal products such as steak, pork chops, bacon, and 2% milk are all super high in saturated fat. This is why many people don't eat meat. Myself, being very health conscious (and a runner) only eat meat 2 or 3 times a week. No amount of running in the world will unstick plaque from your arteries.
The key is stripping those cuts of all fat, or buying them very lean. We eat alot of steak, burger, pork (but not bacon) but they're all extremely lean cuts. So lean that I have to sometimes add Safflower oil to them so they cook right. (Articial fat so to speak)
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MMMMMM
Last night I had a 14 oz. Strip with a boiled Lobster tail :) Oh God it's sooooo good. A bite of steak on the fork followed by a bite of lobster on the same fork, dip both into the butter and place on tongue. You guys should see my eyes roll back in my head when the suculent flavor hits my taste buds. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I want another pls.
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all that healthy eating stuff is roadkill. its all genetics as far as i can tell. as long as you arent a lard ass, what you eat doesnt matter. my grandfather in italy is 89 years old and he has all his stuff fried in lard and doesnt care how much fat is in something.
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Originally posted by Toad
Anyway, it's none of OUR business.
I'm sure the Hindus are appalled that we eat Elsie the cow. None of their business either, is it?
We should just stay out of it.
well said.
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Kind of like my dog, he's me bro. I think we kind of have an "alliance" so to speak w/Dogs. A bond if you will. If some indiv hurt my dog on purpose I'd plant his ass. Yea, its wierd maybe radical but thats how I feel.
xBAT
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I could care less what someone else eats. So long as it ain't MY pets, I don't care. I think they should kill them humanely, but then again I dunno how they slaughter cows or chickens in this country- so I shouldn't be the one to judge.
And why the hell would anyone want to be a vegetarian? You're missing out on the best foods ever!
-SW
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Originally posted by batdog
Kind of like my dog, he's me bro. I think we kind of have an "alliance" so to speak w/Dogs. A bond if you will. If some indiv hurt my dog on purpose I'd plant his ass. Yea, its wierd maybe radical but thats how I feel.
xBAT
I know what you mean. I have ultra-bonded with my cat. If he's not in my room I can't sleep. If anybody hurt it I'd kill em out of rage. My roommate is the same way about his dog and cat.
BUT :D
I have a friend in houston who is the same way about his 200lb pot bellied pig, he even stopped eating pork because of his pet. That galdarned thing is smart, smarter than any dog I've ever seen. It bonds with humans just like dogs though, it loves to get petted and have it's belly rubbed.
BUT :D
I still eat bacon and LOVE ham :rolleyes: God gave us dominion over the animals. They are food and clothing and housing. Kill them as long as you need their matter, but not for fun. That's my motto. Insects don't count hehe.
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Aye Udie... different strokes, different folks. Doesnt mean I'd ever support it and hopefuly our culture will never support it.
I'm sure if we where hungry enough dog would sound pretty damn good. I'm also sure if a dog was hungry enough Human would sound pretty damn good...lol.
xBAT
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I had 2 black angus calfs, a bull and a cow, that I raised, from bottle-fed cholostrum up through bales up hay and alfalfa and feed until they weighed about 300 lbs each. The idea was to fatten them up and slaughter them for beef. They thought I was their mom.
When the time came to slaughter Blackie and Honey, I couldn't do it. I lost $ on that deal. I gave them to a farmer who put them out to pasture for a tax break. He probably ate them by now, sniff.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
It interesting where the hypocrite liberal and leftsits CULTURAL RELATIVISM has gone in this case? I guess cultural relativism only applies when its useful to attack and oppress heterosexual white males and their culture.
Oh look. Big surprise. GRUNHERZ thinks that the looneys speak for Liberals again.
Geez GRUN. Try thinking for yourself for a moment, maybe actually talking to some real Liberals rather that the wackjobs you insist on taking as representatives of Liberals.
I sure as hell don't take the fringe right looneys as the representatives of Conservatives.
FWIW, if they want to eat dogs that's fine by me. Cats are OK too. They just shouldn't expect me to partake with them.
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Zigrat: Maybe its because he drank wine every day?
Many studies have shown that people with daily alchohol intake (1 or 2 glasses of wine, not enuf to get drunk, but just enuf to get some alchohol into your bloodstream) have significantly reduced cholesterol.
Personally, ony of my relatives, my uncle in law, is so fat he doesnt fit through doors. He's HUGE. And yet he drinks almost a bottle of vodka a day, every day, since he was young. And his "diet" is heavy in meats, fats and all the good stuff.
His cholesterol level is almost ZERO. He may be fat, but he aint dying from a stroke.
Compared to mine, which is almost near the initial danger levels, and im only a few pounds overweight. I dont eat meats (barely once a week), dont eat junk food or sweets , I dont excercise (*shame*)..and I dont drink more than 1 beer every 2 weeks or so in average.
Now im starting to drink a little bit more, and it seems to be helping, my last cholesterol test dropped a few points :)
Alchohol is good for your health, just take 1 glass of wine, beer or whatever to get a lil' bit of it and it works wonders.
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GH.......BTW It is my belef that the whole ultra left wing and leftist movement is the same, whacko animal rights people, anarchists, anti-world trade protestors, the seattle terrorists, the anti war of self defense terrorist lapdogs, anti USA, anti democracy, whacko anti western culture racists, and communists/socialists et all are one and the same- all one happy whacko loon family that poses an enormous threat to any decent freedom-loving truly democratic culture.
Our family reunion's are REALLY fun too! But sometimes those anarchists don't talk nice to the communist/socialists because the western culture racists said they brought the wrong potato salad. But later on we all get together and sing Kumbaya while we barbeque another pile of greens and chow.
I'll invite you to the next get-together Grun.
:D
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Good discussion, but not enough flaming yet :)
Vegetarians are the real weirdos here. Meat is good...early man subsisted almost totally on meat. Supposedly over 80% of Cro-Magnons diet was meat. Nothing is finer than a big hunk of cow on the grill on a summer evening.
The fact that they eat dogs doesn't bother me as much as the way they kill them. Many of the dogs are beaten to death so they are more tender when cooked.
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I think you're right Zigrat. You can run 30 miles a day and eat birdseed, but when your DNA says it's time for a heart-attack, start dialing 911.
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Originally posted by fdiron
Animal products such as steak, pork chops, bacon, and 2% milk are all super high in saturated fat. This is why many people don't eat meat. Myself, being very health conscious (and a runner) only eat meat 2 or 3 times a week. No amount of running in the world will unstick plaque from your arteries.
Actually, what you should be eating is venison, elk meat and buffalo meat. They are equal in protien and lower in fat than cow or pork.
It's one of the things that must be taken into account when talking about what the cavemen ate. How did they eat so much meat and not all die of heart attacks (and yes, life was much more...shall we say interesting back then)? Because the meat they were eating was actually healthier than what we find in the stores today.
For comparison: (based on 3.5 ounces of each)
Meat: Fat - Saturated Fat - Calories - Protein
Elk: 1.9g 0.7g 146 30.2
Antelope: 2.7g 1.0g 150 29.4
Deer (Venison): 3.2g 1.2g 158 30.2
Lean Roast Beef: 14.3g 5.7g 239 27.0
Ham (lean only): 5.8g 1.9g 153 24.8
Salmon: 5.8g 1.4g 163 24.5
Chicken Breast (roasted, no skin): 3.5g 1.1g 163 31.5
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It's genetic. my maternal grandmother made it to 88 growing up on country food (lots of fat!) My paternal great-grandmother lived longer than that (I think she was 94 when she died) and her mother made it over 100 I think. All growing up in Virginia eating country ham, red-eye gravy, biscuits and eggs for breakfast. ;) oh, and the fried apples... yum!!!
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Actually, what you should be eating is venison, elk meat and buffalo meat. They are equal in protien and lower in fat than cow or pork.
That's because of the way domestic food animals are fed and bred. They are fed a lot of high-energy foods, such as corn, that wild animals never eat. This is done to increase weight gain (the animal is sold by weight) and improve the "quality" of the meat. Quality grading is based on the amount of marbling (fat deposited within the meat). For example, US Prime (as in prime rib) denotes the highest degree of marbling. Higher quality grading brings a higher price.
Genetic factors are also important and domestic cattle and hogs have been selectively bred for generations for rapid weight gain and a high degree of marbling, that is, more fat.
You can't really fault the producer, they are just responding to the market.
By the way, trimming the excess fat around a cut of meat helps, but doesn't remove the fat within the meat (marbling).
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that's because the fat marbling makes it taste better. mmm, fat marbled ribeye....
oh, to the original point of the post. Let 'em eat what animals they want. I'm not giving up my cow meat to appease those who find cows sacred, so the Koreans shouldn't give up dogs because other countries find dogs cute and cuddly.
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LOL TahGut!
But seriously do you consider yourself ultra left wing or leftist?
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As an aside, buffalo marketers are now having to change some claims.
Many producers are "finishing" their buffalo on corn and other grains in feedlots. Guess what? The fat content and cholesterol are going up.
However, you get your buffalo to market quicker, so it's possible to theoretically make more money.
There is discussion about the problem in the industry right now.
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life expectancy of cavemen 23 years or so :)
they never lived long enough to develope any heart dease
anyway how do you know what they did of?
what was that guys name that did the grape nuts commercial?
he used to eat tree bark ang juice everything and run alot ......then fell dead of a heart attack..........
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Originally posted by Nifty
It's genetic. my maternal grandmother made it to 88 ...
Exactly. I can be eating like a lumberjack and not gain a grain. Same for my mother and sister.
Pretty much everything about us is genetically inherited.
Except intelligence, of course - it would not be Politically Correct to inherit intelligence.
miko
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Eul Gibbons........"Reminds me of wild hickory nuts"
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You bastards quit trying to take the marble out of my steak.
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Junk Food Junkie
Junk Food Junkie
(By Larry Groce)
You know I love that organic cooking,
I always ask for more.
And they call me Mr. Natural,
On down to the health food store.
I only eat good sea salt.
White sugar don't touch my lips.
And my friends is always begging me to take them
On macro-biotic trips.
Yes they are...
But at night I take out my strong box
That I keep under lock and key.
And I take it off to my closet
Where nobody else can see.
I open that lid so slowly,
take a peek up North and South.
Then I pull out a Hostess Twinkee*
And I pop it in my mouth.
In the daytime I'm Mr. Natural
Just as healthy as I can be.
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good lord have pity on me.
Yes sir...
At lunch time you can always find me
At the whole earth vitamin bar.
Just sucking on my plain white yogurt
From my hand grown pottery jar.
And sipping little hand pressed cider
With a carrot stick for dessert.
And wiping my face in a natural way
On the sleeve of my peasant shirt.
Yes I do...
Ahh But when that clock strikes midnight
And I'm all by myself
I work that combination
On my secret hide-away shelf.
And I pull out some Fritos corn chips,
Dr. Pepper and an old Moon pie.*
I sit back in glorious expectation
Of a genuine junk food high.
(chorus)
Here we go now...
My friends on down at the commune,
Well they think I'm pretty neat.
I don't know nothing about arts and crafts,
But I give them all something to eat.
I was a friend to ol' Eul Gibbons
And I only eat home grown spice.
Got a John Keats autographed Grecian urn
Filled up with my brown rice.
Yes I do...
Now folks, lately I have been spotted
With a Big Mac on my breath.*
Stumbling to a Colonel Sanders
With a face as white a death.
I'm afraid some day they'll find me
Just stretched out on my bed
With a handful of Pringles potato chips
And a Ding Dong by my head.*
(chorus)
*Registered Trade Mark
Copyright Larry Groce)
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Sorry Grun, didn't see your question till now.
Hmmmmm Leftist or Ultra Left Wing? Kinda like asking "Do you still beat your wife on Fridays?"
I'm neither actually. I guess if a pigeon hole is needed I'd have to go with "Open Minded American"
Both sides have good and bad points and thank God we have both sides. If one or the other were to disappear it would be to the detriment of us all.
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The ex and i were down on St. Maarten a few years back, and enjoying a delicious order of BBQ ribs from a beach shack.
"tasty!" sez the ex, "but these don't look like beef ribs".
"Nope" sez I. "No cows on these islands."
"pork?" queries the ex..
"Nope" sez I.. "pork ribs are lots shorter.. "
"well, what are they?"
I took her around to the back of the shack, where the big 1/2 a 55 gal drum BBQ was smokin away... and tied up next to it was a goat.
I pointed at it.. it wagged its tail and said 'baaaaaa'. "that's lunch, tomorrow" I explained. "cute, ain't it?". She ate fish the rest of the time we were there.
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Originally posted by miko2d
Except intelligence, of course - it would not be Politically Correct to inherit intelligence.
miko
:D
You're in the running for "Wit of the Week".
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Why oh why did I read this thread right before dinner?
All I can think of is a thick prime rib with plenty of au-jus, baked potato with sour cream/chives/cheese, maybe a half artichoke or artichoke dip before the meal arrives, salad dripping in bleu cheese dressing. Garlic bread too. And fresh hot dinner rolls.
Or lobster so fresh the poor thing's screams are still echoing around the kitchen :)
One of the nice things about my vacation in Mexico (the fun low-budget kind you do right after college) was the fact that each place we stopped to camp or go diving, if we couldn't catch our own seafood, a nice local vendor would eventually wander past with fresh stuff for sale. We bought a dozen live lobster for about 50 cents each one night, gutted and roasted them over our campfire. Complemented our fish tacos and wine/beer/whatever perfectly. For entertainment, we watched pelicans dive on a school of fish trapped in the little bay we camped near.
We drove a few hundred miles down the baha peninsula and dove from a place called El Requeson. Beautiful little town that hadn't yet been ruined by the tourist industry, we made a trek to the "RO water" dealer every few days, hit the local resturant twice that week, and the rest of the time ate what we caught or bought from the vendors. Camped on the beach. Not one of us got food poisoning, although I caught the flu from another person on the trip.
I'm sure if we'd wanted dog, goat, pig, donkey, whatever, all we'd have to do is cough up the right amount of pesos or dollars :)