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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BigCrate on January 16, 2002, 07:51:13 PM
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CW here with some 38 turning stuff... The guys in the Twin Engined Devils should love this
I have never tried this in AH I mssed with it a little in Aw b4 I get booted :).. Anyway in Aw it worked kinda but i didn't have time to mess it b4 a got kicked off AW so i don't know if it would work in AH.. its out of a Nov. 1972 Airpower mags hehehehe He article titled is Fork Tailed Legend Flying the P38 Lightning and the pilot was ( i think i was) Bob Davidson.
and was performed in P-38G model not the L model.
The P-38, with its contra-rotating propellers, was probably the gentlest aircraft in a vertical turn of any WW 2 fighter. A single engine fighter, when pulled too tightly into a turn and stalled,
would flicker savagely over the top and try its dammnest to to spin.
the 38 with no torque to contend with didn't flick over over the top. When finally sucked so tight it stalled, it would simply mush outward. If the back pressure on the stick were relaxed slightly,
it would immediately start flying again. No, or very little, altitude
loss was experienced inthis situation, a most unusual feature for a fighter.
when this trait was used to advantage, an incredibly tight turn
could be maintained. The way to take advantage of this was to get it onthe edge of a stall, then alternately, and very slightly relax and increase the back pressure on the control wheel. By edging your way your way around a turn, onthe verge of a stall, an almost unbelieable rate of turn could be maintained. The only aircraft I've had personal exerience with, that could still outturn the `38 when this was being done, wasthe spitfire and the `38 could give it a good run for its money. Everthing depended on the opposing pilot's ability.
There is a excepption to this but it doesnt apply to AH..
ok tac fester anyboby. Try this and see if it works..
CW
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with or without flaps?
in AH that would be stupid and suicidal anyway.
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little screen, real world problem.
A slow p38 in here is a very dead p38.
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With manuerving flaps deployed. and I don't care how stupid it is hang I'm want to see if it works in AH. And it would work if if get caught in a slow speed turn fight with a 109 or spit. I think :)
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I double dog dare ya to try that in a 38 against me. Go ahead. Try. You know you want to. :D
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Dead man give me 4 months of flying on AH and i'll duel you using what I posted and win :) ehehehehheheh
CW
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this ought to be good :)
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hehehehe I'll film it and post it :)
CW
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Leviathn ain't good. No reason to wait 4 months.
Drex
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Is anyone accepting wagers on this one and would they consider allowing me bet on Todd/Leviathn at even money?
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Ok give me four months and i'll fight him :) it should be arounf may 17th hehehe yall can bet on dead man I don't care :)
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LOL ok were getting away from the reason I posted this 38 turning stuff by promoting this AH prize fight :).. I posted this to see if it held any water sort of speak.. and to share some of the massive 38 stuff i have laying around the house. I don't care if it is stupid i just want to know if it works like in the real thing. and hey for u 38 drivers out there it may save your bellybutton someday :)
CW
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Don't listen to Drex, he's not very good either.
F.
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I taught Drex and Lev everything they know. They both suck.
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i met drex once
he was so boring i fell asleep. my money goes on whatshisname here
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But I taught Funked what he knows, so in essence I'm your god.
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hmm you taught to funked that Spit is a cool plane?
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Well I tried hammerheads in the P38 after being prettythang whooped by fester when I tried to Hammerhead him in a dora (I had more E!!! and the distance was good to try it). I just couldn't believe that he was able to just hang there at almost no speed at all anymore and to get a good No of pings in me at 400-450 distance!!! I had to rudder turn the dora to prevent a major stall way before him, no need to say what happened to me a split second later, :confused:
Because I just couldn't believe that that was possible I went to the DA the day after and tried my own very best at hammereheads in the P38 to try out upto which speed it is possible in AH to stay vertical stable (to be able to still correct for getting a gun solution on the con above you).
Well at full flaps and compensating manually for full flaps with elevator trim you can hang the P38 on its props and still flick it over on pure rudder at very very low speeds (much lower than in any other plane without stalling)
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A low and slow p38 is a dead p38?.. I disagree. I get at least 75% of my kills with p38 low and slow. It handles nice low (minus) the load of toejame flap stall. I am not saying that i am good, or even decent 38 pilot, but if your cherry picking at 27k with it, and getting kills, your not really earning them ;). Thats why i love the challenge of low-alt fights, even though i die frequently =)
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look.. please, do enjoy pushing the envelope in the forked tailed gay-ray ride.. hell; I turnfight a runstang in the dirt all the damn time, and we all know a low slow pony is a dead pony.
i think the point i was trying to make originaly was that a good turnfighter like a spit vis a p38 low and slow.. pilot skill being about equal; well; the p38 ain't likely to go home.
of course, thats just my uninformed opinion; hell; i could be wrong..
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Like the article said hang.
Everthing depended on the opposing pilot's ability.
I just thought the 38 in AH is model pretty clost to the 38 in real life it could do this... and the article said the 38 would give the spit a run fer its money but not beat it.. but maybe it out turn a 109 doing this?? Who knows :)
CW
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anything can out turn a 109 geeshhhh
if the 109 pilot most likely wont enter a slow turn fight with a 38 in the main if he expects to rtb.
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only a 109f4 has a chance in turnfighting vs a 38.
38 vs spit low and slow... depends on how slow it is. below 150 the spit has a high chance of not making it home or of losing the 38 if it decides to run away at that point. from 150 to 300 the 38 is dead.
below 150 you aint turnfighting, you're stallfighting. 38 is the master of stall fighting.
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LOL now yall get into it!!!!
ok if the 38 is the master of stalling fights Tac.. Can this work??? I'm bee gonna up in bout 20 mins to try it out :) it worked in aw sort of cause in AW u could stall at low speeds and it "mushes" like the article said it does but in AH i havn't seen this yet so I dunno if it would work... U should take something like this on faith and just try it :).. If it works 38 might have an edge over tighter turning aircraft at low speeds...
CW
Beware the lesons of a fight pilot who would rather fly a slide rule the kick your ass!
=Twin Engined Devils=
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Originally posted by BigCrate
it worked in aw sort of cause in AW u could stall at low speeds and it "mushes" like the article said it does but in AH i havn't seen this yet so I dunno if it would work... U should take something like this on faith and just try it :).. If it works 38 might have an edge over tighter turning aircraft at low speeds...
I don't see this working against an experienced Spit pilot... and in my experience, anytime the 38 gets slow -- including below 150mph -- it's probably going to die.
Where a 38 functions best against a Spit is BnZing, maybe turning once or twice, then extending and using its superior climb, vertical ability, and acceleration to gain altitude and angles again. Once it commits to any sort of low speed turn/stallfighting with a Spit, it's begging for death unless the Spit really stinks.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Ok dead u need to read the article 1st b4 u can say anything bout it :)
"Everthing depended on the opposing pilot's ability."
LOL I should have put this in with to. Ok stalls.. In Aw you could stall at any point during a fight if u pulling enough gs to it. (it is just easier to do a slower speeds) What the man is saying is the u perform this turn or what ever u want to call it.. below lets say 225 mph (i never stalled above that in AW) once the plane is on the verge of a stall lets say 175mph pulling 4-5gs with 3 notches of flaps deployed you gently relax pressure on the stick and increase pressure on the stick and u can edge your way around the turn very quickly. It doesn't mean u are about to stall at 80mph with full flaps deployed and throttle chopped.. This is what I'm trying to point out here.. if u pull to many gs ur aircraft wont produce enough lift and it will stall.. but this is saying u can aviod this by relaxing and increasing the pressure on the stick..
Sorry I didn't put tha in with the article wasn't thinking :(.. i hope this help out to try to understand what the article is telling us.
CW
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I don't see this working against an experienced Spit pilot... and in my experience, anytime the 38 gets slow -- including below 150mph -- it's probably going to die.
Where a 38 functions best against a Spit is BnZing, maybe turning once or twice, then extending and using its superior climb, vertical ability, and acceleration to gain altitude and angles again. Once it commits to any sort of low speed turn/stallfighting with a Spit, it's begging for death unless the Spit really stinks.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Well, an experienced 38 wont get into turning with a spit either. And I said the spit has a hi chance, not that it would. At 150mph the 38 is full flaps and stable,its engines giving it enough power to keep pulling without a problem. The spit is suffering from constant torque effects and E-loss and low accel. Eventually the spit either gets a snapshot with its 20mm's and gets the 38 (likely), or the 38 gets a snapshot at the spit (likely), or the spit augers (happens some times), or the spit is about to stall and tries to level off and gain some speed.. and thats the point where depending on positioning, the 38 can hose it with lead or he can retract flaps, nose away from spit and WEP the hell outta there.
38 can only BnZ a spit if the 38 has a lot of E advantage. Those damn spits just need to dive 2 or 4k to get co-E with a 38..and we both know which planes loses its E quicker... the 38!. Climb away? You watching too many movies. That spit will level off, get close, pull up and hose you with 20mm. 38 cant outclimb 20mm.
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Originally posted by Tac
Well, an experienced 38 wont get into turning with a spit either. And I said the spit has a hi chance, not that it would. At 150mph the 38 is full flaps and stable,its engines giving it enough power to keep pulling without a problem. The spit is suffering from constant torque effects and E-loss and low accel. Eventually the spit either gets a snapshot with its 20mm's and gets the 38 (likely), or the 38 gets a snapshot at the spit (likely), or the spit augers (happens some times), or the spit is about to stall and tries to level off and gain some speed.. and thats the point where depending on positioning, the 38 can hose it with lead or he can retract flaps, nose away from spit and WEP the hell outta there.
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Are you talking in the pure vertical here? Of course the 38 has an advantage against the Spit in any vertical situation at slow speeds. What I was discussing was getting into a turnfighting situation at or below 150mph. Unless you're trying to rope a Spit or spiral climb above it with similar E-states and extremely low speed, a competent Spit will destroy you. Where (as I also stated) a 38 excels is using its advantages -- namely vertical ability as you described. However, if the 38 is trying to loop at 150mph against a competent Spit, it will die. I can loop a Spit V at that speed if not lower.
38 can only BnZ a spit if the 38 has a lot of E advantage. Those damn spits just need to dive 2 or 4k to get co-E with a 38..and we both know which planes loses its E quicker... the 38!. Climb away? You watching too many movies. That spit will level off, get close, pull up and hose you with 20mm. 38 cant outclimb 20mm.
The 38 will, in my experience, outaccelerate and outdive a Spit V. Once it extends far enough, it can go into a gradual climb at high speed and put both distance and altitude between itself and its opponent. If you're talking the Spit IX, that is another beast... faster and better accelerating than the Spit V, I can see where it can cause headaches for 38 drivers.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Tac
only a 109f4 has a chance in turnfighting vs a 38.
38 vs spit low and slow... depends on how slow it is. below 150 the spit has a high chance of not making it home or of losing the 38 if it decides to run away at that point. from 150 to 300 the 38 is dead.
below 150 you aint turnfighting, you're stallfighting. 38 is the master of stall fighting.
Tac, I killed a P-38 who wanted to stallfight down in the wavetops. He went into a tight lefthand Lufberry, with me slightly above. Around and around we went, and I slowly pinched the circle until I was in his 5 o'clock, not a wingspan distant. He finally wobbled and was forced to ease his turn. He was dead two seconds later. I was flying a Spit Mk.V. Our speed, right around 130-140. Had the P-38 pilot known how to pinch his turn, it would have been a lot tougher to gain position on him. You're right though, a well flown P-38 is a very tough customer as a stallfighter. The problem as I see it is that most people flying the P-38 do so at full throttle all the time. With its low power loading, it's always going so fast that turn radius is limited by G loading (blackout). To stallfight, ya gotta slow down, and that's something few of these guys are willing to do. This is why I prefer the Mk.V over the Mk.IX, it's higher power loading and slightly tighter turning radius (in my opinion) makes it a very dangerous opponent anytime the fight becomes turning contest. It had better be good at this, because it can't catch anything from behind..:rolleyes:
It seems to me that the best way for a P-38 to survive a sky full of red tagged airplanes is to power back, reef it in tight, get those Fowlers out and wait for the knuckleheads to take the bait.
Sure as hell, some La-7 or Mustang jockey is going to make more than one turn, and find himself in deep bandini. Even Spitfires can trap themselves by trying to turn with you while carrying too much speed. Their turn radius will be quite large, the stallfighter cuts across and..... Whack.
My regards,
Widewing
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yup. I find the spitIX to be easier to kill on the stallfights..because the IX has a bigger engine.. more torque.. its accel is still CRAP compared to the 38's.
The V's... eeewww those I avoid getting into any turns. Luckily though, its not fast in any respect, and if you on the deck it doesnt have space to dive and catch you. 38 can very safely disengage from a V.
Widewing: I usually fly at half power when nose below horizon and full power when nose above.. coasting it like that while turning or doing lazy yoyo's or lazy 8's with a few snap turns to change direction (and not become predictable..them spits love to spray 20mm around).
Its a last resort to get down low, but heck, its fun, and in most cases, if the pilot is avg or too confident of his turning spit, it works.
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Good info here. :)
xBAT
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Is he talking about the "sweat" spot on the P-38? I know in AW it was 1 notch of flaps at 175knots and you could out turn almost any plane but the rice burners. It appears to be the same in here but you've got to jockey the throttle to maintain cornering speed and it only last about 1-2 turns, 3 if you're lucky.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Hangtime
i could be wrong..
Never seen that in here before. People getting soft? Or wise maybe? A Confucious say: If you are never wrong, you can't learn anything. So be damn sure about it.
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" power back, reef it in tight, get those Fowlers out and wait for the knuckleheads to take the bait."
HEY! That was my M.O!! Worked most often too. :D
Westy
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*grin*
And you have yet to see how easy a 38 stall fights at 25k and above. Especially against them 152's that think their waffletech lets them turn tighter than I can mwahahaha.
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This is what I'm talking about. And a 38 driver invented it :)
The cloverleaf was a horizontal maneuver that took advantage of the P-38's
exceptionally gentle stall characteristics. It was a low-speed maneuver. The
pilot would tighten his turn until he actually stalled out, ease off and let
the plane unstall itself, then tighten back up into a stall, ease up....
Viewed from above, the pattern the airplane flew through the air looked
something like a cloverleaf, and this simile was used in teaching the maneuver.
No German fighter could stay with the P-38 in a turn.
Of course, this manuever was useless against Japanese fighters like the Ki-43
and Zero, because they stalled out something like 30 mph slower than the best
theP-38 could do.
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I have no fear of the P38 when I am in my F4U-1. It is usually easy meat for me. Actually I prefer hosing a P38 to any other plane in AH. I just enjoy seeing it explode under my 50cals.
Terror
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anything can out turn a 109 geeshhhh
You will be surprised how good you can stall fight in a 109G2
:)
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low and slow 38's stall or no stall speed...against spit5 or 9.....5 second's to kill it(done it many times)....38 ain't even close to spit when it comes to turns sorry...stall or no stall....only zeke's and very good n1ki' drivers can hold against spits
SLO
4 WING =441 Silver fox=
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hehehehehe SLO I hate to burst your dweebfire bubble. But 38 drivers are some of the best pilots around in AH today.. And were the best pilots in WW2. SLO read what is below and you will see.
And SLO I suck in 38 but I flew it for awhile on AW.. and she is my baby and no body bad months my baby ear! :)
During the late winter of 1944 ocurred the famous dual between a
Griffon-engined Spitfire XV and a P-38H of the 364FG. Col. Lowell few the
P-38, engaging the Spitfire at 5,000 ft. in a head-on pass. Lowell was
able to get on the Spitfire's tail and stay there no matter what the
Spitfire pilot did. Although the Spitfire could execute a tighter turning
circle than the P-38, Lowell was able to use the P-38's excellent stall
characteristics to repeatedly pull inside the Spit's turn radius and ride
the stall, then back off outside the Spit's turn, pick up speed and cut
back in again in what he called a "cloverleaf" maneuver. After 20 minutes
of this, at 1,000 ft. altitude, the Spit tried a Spit-S (at a 30-degree
angle, not vertically down). Lowell stayed with the Spit through the
maneuver, although his P-38 almost hit the ground. After that the
Spitfire pilot broke off the engagement and flew home. This contest was
witnessed by 75 pilots on the ground.
Cw
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Originally posted by SLO
low and slow 38's stall or no stall speed...against spit5 or 9.....5 second's to kill it(done it many times)....38 ain't even close to spit when it comes to turns sorry...stall or no stall....only zeke's and very good n1ki' drivers can hold against spits
SLO
4 WING =441 Silver fox=
Obviously, you have not encountered a hot P-38 Jock like Tac or Westy yet. When you do, be prepared for a valuable, albeit short, lesson on the capabilities of the P-38L. Unfortunately (or 'fortunately' depending on what you're flying), most of those who fly the P-38 have little idea how to extract full performance, or best utilize its capabilities.
As a frequent user of Spitfires, and having fought the very best Spitfire pilots to be found in the MA, I am fully aware of the little fighter's capabilities. So, rest assured that you cannot make any mistakes with guys like those mentioned above. You will die.
While you're out there, watch out for Ki-61s too. They're killing Spits and Seafire at a rate of 2.27:1. Of the two Rooks I know of who are flying the Ki-61 on a regular basis in the MA, these two have 11 kills for no deaths against them (7 and 4 respectively) early in the current tour, as well as several assists. So, if you fly with the Rookies, you can breathe a sigh of relief.:D Tac hangs with the Knits.
My regards,
Widewing
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heheheheheh well put WideWing!
Cw
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I fly Bish Widewing ;)
Believe it or not, the ONE plane that gives me the most trouble is the SpitIX. You just dont have any chance against it unless you're on the deck. The little toejams *wink* outdive and out-E and can catch the 38 in a climb... and can turn 180 and catch it with a shallow dive.
Once HTC adds the PILOT into the equation, them spitdweebs wont be able to turn for 5 minutes pulling 7g's the whole time.
MWahahahahaha.
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lol some1 got his panties into a bundle...38's suck big time, TAC or no TAC...he has died by my spit.... BTW why would you wanna fly something with such a big bellybutton :eek:
BTW...who was the spit driver in your story....you seem fixated on 38 so thats o.k.....but your 38 driver woulda lasted 5 secondes(lol) against BUZZ BEURLIN's spit my friend. He has the most kills for allies in the shortest time :p ....and the only pilot to shot down some1 with the shortest amount of ammo :D ...we can all find funny stories if we look very hard. But I still say it was the driver not the plane that counted. thx for the good laugh.
SLO :cool:
4WING =441 Silver Fox=
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Once HTC adds the PILOT into the equation, them spitdweebs wont be able to turn for 5 minutes pulling 7g's the whole time.[/QUOTE]
Beware Tac, some sensible spittard defenders may get "hysterical" reading evidences like that :D
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heeeheehe manodoble
SLO I'm gonna spare you me telling you how stupid you sound.
SLO you fly a spit I have very little respect for some who fly.. The
reason being is the spit is one of the easiest planes to fly... It takes no SKILLS to fly.. If I jumped in a spit with my flying experience from 3 years of AW of now AH. I would proubly kill just about everything I flew against.. Now I don't want to piss any of the good spit drivers that a now.. (Widewing and some others :))
There reason are dfferent for flying the spit. Flying the 38 takes flying skills , knowing strength and weakness of everyplane in AH
and most of all patience.. Seeing you posting messages on this thread tells me a few things.. One you are very impatience
Two your a dweeb that can't tell a climbing spiral from a vertical turn.. And proably likes to gang bang 38s to make yourself feel better. Oh so how many of your buddies were fighting tac you killed hm?? 3 or more?? And please don't reply to threads that have P-38 or 38 or lightning in the title.. Because you have never flown a 38 the WAY it was surposed to be flown... And you just bash things without any real proof that it sucks. You just said basically that the 38 sucks because it does. Now SLO if your gonna reply this post with pissed off thoughts then just stop right there and DON'T..
CW
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No leather = no fun.
Fly LW. See the world through a monocle, and feel the rythmic vibrations of DB engines through a leather g-string, studded on the inside, made from bishrook baby skin.
Hell, if it's good enough for their buttocks, it's good enough for mine.
Just too bad it takes so many babies to make one g-string for me. Then again, the Bishrook are fast breeders, and the population normally stabilizes itself within a couple of years.
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I dont fear spits. I dont fear niki's. I understand that if its brown my 38 will not turn w/it. I understand my 38 SOMETIMES can deal w/a spit 9 determined by many other factors.
No..a 38 will not do a PURE TURN fight w/a spit and expect to survive. A 38 one on one w/a spit isnt certain death for a 38 ethier. He has some options. There are several 38 drivers that could take a spit one on one.
Personaly I'll turn w/you if I feel I have a chance...if I die, so what. Its a silly game. If I win..cool beans...i just took you out in a pathatic 38.
xBAT
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hehehehe Stsanta
hehehehhe Batboy
Cw
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I really enjoy watching planes duel on paper.
Drex
(Oh, so you break hard to the right? Ok I would simply do a high yo yo and your dead.)
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I'll HO you first Drex...and I if I KNOW its you..run like a little girl,lol
J/K...I film it, then proceed to die of course so i might learn something...
xBAT
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Thats not how you reply on this thread. You need to say.
"I would HO you and you would turn, and I would cut throttle, saddle up, your dead."
AH the combat flight sim where you don't have to fight someone to award yourself the kill
Nice to see you xbat :)
Drex
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Hehe..aye Drex.
Its good to "see" you as well :)
xBAT
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Originally posted by BigCrate
heeeheehe manodoble
SLO I'm gonna spare you me telling you how stupid you sound.
SLO you fly a spit I have very little respect for some who fly.. The
reason being is the spit is one of the easiest planes to fly... It takes no SKILLS to fly.. If I jumped in a spit with my flying experience from 3 years of AW of now AH. I would proubly kill just about everything I flew against.. Now I don't want to piss any of the good spit drivers that a now.. (Widewing and some others :))
There reason are dfferent for flying the spit. Flying the 38 takes flying skills , knowing strength and weakness of everyplane in AH
and most of all patience.. Seeing you posting messages on this thread tells me a few things.. One you are very impatience
Two your a dweeb that can't tell a climbing spiral from a vertical turn.. And proably likes to gang bang 38s to make yourself feel better. Oh so how many of your buddies were fighting tac you killed hm?? 3 or more?? And please don't reply to threads that have P-38 or 38 or lightning in the title.. Because you have never flown a 38 the WAY it was surposed to be flown... And you just bash things without any real proof that it sucks. You just said basically that the 38 sucks because it does. Now SLO if your gonna reply this post with pissed off thoughts then just stop right there and DON'T..
CW
Aw heck Cody, I'm not going to get pissed off....
I fly the Spit because I enjoy it. I prefer the Mk.V over the Mk.IX, because I feel that it handles better and offers a higher perk return too. However, I'll take up all of the dweeb fighters, because each has its own useful attributes. Yet, I also enjoy the less popular fighters, such as the C.205, Ki-61 and Hurricane. I also have fun flying the P-38, but not necessarily fighting in it. Just for toejams and giggles, I flew down the full length of the runway at 25 feet above the deck, gear and flaps down at 150 mph. What's so special about that? Well, I was inverted..... try that in any of the single engine fighters, but you had better do it offline unless you don't mind adding to your death tally. You can do things in the P-38 that no single engine fighter can hope to do. Vertical tail slides are a hoot. As is the old "Luftwaffe Stomp".
Rather than let testosterone run amuck, I urge everyone flying the P-38L to fully explore the potential of their aircraft. Fly direct comparisions against the Spitfire and see where you can find an edge. Combat is not the place to try new theories. Get together with a decent Spit driver in the training area and work out your tactics in a low stress environment. Always film these sessions. Also of huge importance is gunnery. Practice, practice and practice s'more. You cannot afford to miss when you have an opportunity, especially when tackling Spitfires. You will find that most of the really good pilots are able to fly high risk maneuvers because they seldom miss when they create for themselves an opportunity.
My regards,
Widewing
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NO! Fly the SpitV. The 38 is too hard and cant turn. Stay away from it.
Spit V.
Repeat after me.
Spit V
Speeet V
Spt Vee
READ MY LIPS
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ROFL Santa :D
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my my some1 actually did get his 38 panties ina bunch.....lmao
who said I only flew spits.....I didn't....maybe you did bigcrate.
who said I only got TAC ina furball in his 38....can you really affirm that....or maybe I did punch a whole in his 38 alone. Up to now i tried alot of diff. planes....since there's so many why not try em....btw if you look very hard....the spit was an easy plane to fly historically.....right now im doin la7 tempest typhoon kinda runs...last camp was spit5 niki spit9....I HAVE THE OPTION TOO CHOOSE ANY PLANE IN THE GAME.....and bigcrate...i played AW for 4 years...flyin mostly ponies and again 38's where easy meat....like i said, not the plane but the driver....yes TAC is good
but he dies just like anybody else....its just his big bellybutton plane i find easy to kill....
SLO:cool:
4 WING=441Silver Fox=
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Hmmm we seem to be at a stalemate.. When I flew AW I flew
hawgs and 38s mostly.. Bu I would take up a 109 or 190 somtimes as well as 51.. And turnfight em all :) Lets just leave it
even..
Cw
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damn, i can never find my ACM instructions when i'm in a dogfight.
BUG322 (proud member off)
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