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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Ripsnort on March 09, 2001, 07:33:00 AM
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The perk system, from a stand point of a few I spoke with online, looks like it WILL work!
I had 3 perk sorties last night, in 2 of the 3, I chose not to mix it up with low cons due to the fact that I felt a 2 kill sortie and LIVING was a "sufficient" success and rather than piss away 70 points, I chose to land the bird and get a non-perk plane instead.
Others I spoke with were curious, and also flew perkies last night, but felt that it was like driving a Porche in rush hour traffic, better to store it for another day, than fly it every sortie!
I have the perk points (roughly 1600 total) to 'waste' about 17 or 18, but why should I? All the other A/C can dang near do the same job as the perkies can!
<S> to HT and this (IMO) brilliant feature, instead of a stupid medal for a 5-kill sortie, I get a "medal" I can fly if I wish to!
Remember, just about every computer game is about 'reward systems'...HTC has brilliantly implemented theirs!
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-09-2001).]
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I think part of the reason is so few of the planes are perked. ALot of folsk though the 190-D9 and the LA-7 would be too.
But so far. All is still normal (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) But there are some damned potent planes flying around. Hard to tell a 190-D9 from a 190-A8 till you're face to face now. Same with the P-51's
I only managed to grab a Tempest last night, pointed the nose at a low alt furball and ....... my 4 yr old woke up. Had to land it before using it. I think I lost 70 perkies. <shrug> No biggy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
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Agreed Ripsnort.
Yes, there were a few perk rides cruising the skies last night... but amazingly few considering they are all new planes! Normally the skies would be filled with them. Perks are already showing how they can balance the arena effectively. I'm sure HTC will tune the system as time goes on, but the initial indication is very positive IMHO.
Big Kudos to HiTech, Pyro, Natedog, Superfly, Ronni, and Yankee. You guys rock!
BTW Westy, as long as you safely landed that Perk ride, it's still waiting in the hangar for you. You can fly it until you break it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Day one appeared ok. Let's bump this in a week. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Not a naysayer, just saying drawing conclusions after one day is a bit dangerous.
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Well, I consider even last night an extreme aberration. Alot of people have a huge pool of perk points built up over the past two months to blow with little to no care. Especially the "perk farmers" who spent all their time strafing barracks till that bug was fixed.
*cough* Ripsnort *cough* (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I saw ALOT of Tempests and Ta152's die last night.
So once that huge pool of available points are burned, these birds will truely be a rare sight. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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How are the perk ratios, how much its needed to fly those perkies? (I know that Ar234 takes 70 pts.. thats only one)
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Verm, attacked barracks once in 2 months. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Hint: MAG-33 is a ground attack unit primarily, thus, perkies rack up for those who are not full time furballers. Just ask Blitz, 3000 perkies! All he does is attack airfields!
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-09-2001).]
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Having high performance planes around, being driven by people who will engage only with a clear advantage, isn't MY idea of fun. But, I'm willing to give it some time to see how the dust settles....
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Originally posted by popeye:
Having high performance planes around, being driven by people who will engage only with a clear advantage, isn't MY idea of fun. .
Interesting enough, every Perky I met at alt decided to break off once I brought the fight down in altitude. Like HT said at the con "They will have to decide whether to risk the points and lose the plane by gambling, or simply turn and fight with it another day...imagine when two co-alt perk planes meet, this is where some major decisions will have to be made..."
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"every Perky I met at alt decided to break off once I brought the fight down in altitude"
Exactly. <yawn>
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I saw perk planes in lots of fuballs. I think I saw a ta152 strafing ack at a field....
Perk system first day is certainly not breaking anything. Lots of Nikis still out there...
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Not me. I shot down 2 perks last night, one Ta152, and a Tempest. They had absolutely no fear of engaging and it was a real joy to put them out 50-70 points. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Especially fun was the Tempest who I knocked out with a HO. Nary a scratch on me.
I had a blast last night! So far, 1.06 is exactly what I was hoping for.
Servo
**MOL**
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gotta agree with pop and it wasn't just the perk rides. the whole arena has shifted to high speed timidity. when there were 200 up there was some good action but it turned to "climb and run" again at 166. every spit in the arena was ded meat. I was flying the only D hog I seen. Seen more 202's. As the numbers go down (newness wears off) we will have an even more restricted plane set and a ridgid "styles".
I also don't see how anyone has "earned" the right to kill new guys from the safety of a perk ride.
My take is this... we now have a mid and a late war set. If we put em all in the same arena most will be useless. Why not just make the last week late war and do away with the idiotic perk system?
lazs
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Servo, shows you alittle about how some 'spend money' and some don't! So far, it appears that the fears of "Perkies High" is not coming true, but I digress to Kieren's post.
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I am at work 50 - 60 hours a week and will rarely get more than a handful of hours a week to fly between my work and wife and kid. I paid my $30.00 a and I want to fly the Arado. If I cant fly it in main arena my $30.00 will go elsewhere.
Please forgive me for not being able to live in AH. Maybe make a new arena with all the so called "super plane" everyone cries about.
H2H is ok but with 8 people there is really no fun unless it is a group of friends.
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Chuck Perry
"Sky61"
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Originally posted by Skysix1:
I am at work 50 - 60 hours a week and will rarely get more than a handful of hours a week to fly between my work and wife and kid. I paid my $30.00 a and I want to fly the Arado. If I cant fly it in main arena my $30.00 will go elsewhere.
Please forgive me for not being able to live in AH. Maybe make a new arena with all the so called "super plane" everyone cries about.
H2H is ok but with 8 people there is really no fun unless it is a group of friends.
Check Six and Snap Shots will use the perk planes, and I believe that they are avaiable in TA all the time. Sounds like your schedule is made for historic plane sets that the CM crew makes up every week for us!
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Thank You Ripsnort.
I will keep my eyes peeled and see how this works out.
Personally I think the perk system is a good idea but for someone like me it stinks unless I have some built up somewhere. I wish when I joined I woulda gotten maybe 200-400 perk points for joining or something??
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Chuck Perry
"Sky61"
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Originally posted by Skysix1:
I am at work 50 - 60 hours a week and will rarely get more than a handful of hours a week to fly between my work and wife and kid. I paid my $30.00 a and I want to fly the Arado. If I cant fly it in main arena my $30.00 will go elsewhere.
Please forgive me for not being able to live in AH. Maybe make a new arena with all the so called "super plane" everyone cries about.
Shouldn't you be able to fly the "super plane" the same proportion of the time as any other guy of comparable skill?
Personally, I am too busy to work 50-60 hours a week like you do, I prefer 10-15. Nevertheless I want to be able to afford to buy as much stuff as you do. Also I do not have time to get a wife and raise a kid, but I want a set too - no worse then what you have! I am a citizen, dammit, shouldn't it be my right!
All income, wives and chidren should be distributed evenly or I will quit!!!!
miko (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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" "Every Perky I met at alt decided to break off once I brought the fight down in altitude" Exactly. <yawn>"
I'm going to take up a P-47D-R30 and cap fields (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Don't forget, Perk points carry over from tour to tour.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
The perk system, from a stand point of a few I spoke with online, looks like it WILL work!
I had 3 perk sorties last night, in 2 of the 3, I chose not to mix it up with low cons due to the fact that I felt a 2 kill sortie and LIVING was a "sufficient" success and rather than piss away 70 points, I chose to land the bird and get a non-perk plane instead.
Others I spoke with were curious, and also flew perkies last night, but felt that it was like driving a Porche in rush hour traffic, better to store it for another day, than fly it every sortie!
I have the perk points (roughly 1600 total) to 'waste' about 17 or 18, but why should I? All the other A/C can dang near do the same job as the perkies can!
<S> to HT and this (IMO) brilliant feature, instead of a stupid medal for a 5-kill sortie, I get a "medal" I can fly if I wish to!
Remember, just about every computer game is about 'reward systems'...HTC has brilliantly implemented theirs!
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-09-2001).]
MAN, I GOTTA TELL YA...
I paid very little attention to Perk stuff when it came to flying!
I flew what I wanted when I wanted with the exception of the Jet Egg Scrambler which I crashed 45 Seconds after TO and realized I lost 70 pts. Whoopy freakin ding! I lost nothing IMHO since I would get a Lanc or B17 out and trash an entire base rather than waste my time flying 3 eggs to a target while I worry about losing the points. (Call me funny!)
Anyhow, as fighters go, I flew the hell out of the D9 with ABSOLUTELY NO regard to wether or not I would lose Perk Points. Honestly, I never even gave it a thought, and I probably won't.
I guess it may just be my style. I guess I'm not as much a gamer as a Pilot.
I think that if you want to snap some of the Uber'ness of the Chog, then you should add a 10min Time Out for HO Deaths. Simulated Realism right?
I mean, if you get shot down in real life, you DON'T come back. For that reason, not nearly as many HO attacks occurred in WW2 as do here.
So I think the 10 min would fit the scale. (But then, I'm a differnt sort of duck)
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Sky Viper
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gotta agree with pop and it wasn't just the perk rides. the whole arena has shifted to high speed timidity. when there were 200 up there was some good action but it turned to "climb and run" again at 166.
I totally agree, but don't think the perk planes are causing this. I saw this behavior more from D9s, P-51Bs and F4u-1x (they'd never get close enough to distinguish). The doras just dove through furballs and continued running. The P-51Bs were somewhat similar, though less of a threat and the F4us seemed to enjoy being an anonymous aircraft once again.
I do know I saw more HOs, more gang-banging (10 cons chasing 1 plane) and more overall dweebery last night than I have seen since I started playing AH in October of 99.
I'm willing to believe that this is just an effect of alot of people flying planes they aren't really experienced with. It seems it may take a month or more to really work out just how well the perk system works in regards to both perked aircraft and perk incentives.
One thing, I hope we don't get any better performing non-perked aircraft in the arena.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by miko2d:
All income, wives and chidren should be distributed evenly or I will quit!!!!
miko (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
DAMN SKIPPY miko, you said it!
What is your address, I will send you 1.5 of my 3 kids, 2/3 of my petty income, and my wife! Oh, and if you act in the next 30 min, you will also get this 1987 Nissan Pickup with only 220,000 Miles absolutely free!
And as a bonus: I will throw in 1 of my 2 dogs and a Piranah complete with it's 55 Gal. tank!
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Sky Viper
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I flew the 51B high and low, tangled with a/c on the deck, turned, zoomed, strafed ack, hangars, etc. Though I wouldn't take one into a turnfight against too many planes at once (if I was alone) I wouldn't have a problem taking it where no 51D dared step. I don't really think the 51 pilots look at the B as a "hit-and-run" option- it lacks "hit". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Agreed, AK, the arena dust needs to settle a bit; my reasoning for bumping this topic up in a week or so.
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Sky Viper,
Er, the Fw190D-9 isn't a perk plane. Ya can't lose perk points in it.
Sure is nice for a non-perk plane though.
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Sisu
-Karnak
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Its gonna take a couple of weeks before we reach an equilibrium point, and people burn thru their horde of perk points from the past two months.
Then lets talk about how well its all working.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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If perks are so good - maybe we should perk everything except the real common planes?
Every day HTC gives you say 50 additional points to play with. If you lose those points then you are stuck with some common planes e.g., zero etc.. until you earn some more. Think of it as like counter-strike where you purchase your weapons.
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Originally posted by Kieran:
Not a naysayer, just saying drawing conclusions after one day is a bit dangerous.
How about all the guys that drew conclusions BEFORE it was even implemented? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Rape, pillage, then burn...
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CounterStrike found out that limiting what people use isn't always a good idea.
WHen the ga,e first started out, and for the first few versions (up till beta 3.x, if I remember correctly), the people on the "losing" team got almost no money. If one team started to win, they would KEEP winning because the losing team had only pistols.
So many people complained about this, that the whole money system was changed. Now, even people on the "losing" team can always afford at least a submachine gun. I have not played CS since Beta 6, because too many cheaters, but I am sure the money system has not changed back to how it used to be.
The moral of the story is that CS found out that things which are cool in theory, don't always work very well in practice.
This is why I think AH should try to keep to a minumum the number of perk planes.
J_A_B
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<boot'o'roonie>
So. It's been a couple of week.
How many of the pessemistic "folk" found that by gosh, they were right? That the perk point system totally destroyed AH and that they were forced to cancel thier accounts as they said they would?
- Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-30-2001).]
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well westy... I never threatened to cancel my account but i find the perk system to be as bad as i thought it would be. I, and many others are flying less tho.. As you said earlier there are only a few perk rides and they are rare. the non perk new rides are changing the whole arena. I had said that perks wouldn't work because either they would be so rare as to be pointless or, common enough to spoil every sortie. I see nothing that has changed my mind only a shift toward a more timid and arena with less action. I would still prefer that there be no perk rides and that those planes be available on an unlimited basis for a day or two at the end of the tour.
lazs
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Yep, certainly don't see hordes of perk planes terrorizing the skies, just admit it Laz, you were wrong, you can do it, c'mon...its easy, just admit it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (J/K btw)
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I actually can't remember who said they'd cancel but I remember several saying they would.
I punted this because in the last two weeks I had not noticed anything different and I remembered how bad AH was predicted to be when this was finally implemented. Sure some AR234's coming in fast and waste a base. But they might as well have been in Lancasters for the safety of the alt they had over me or the other defenders.
I've tangled with a few Tempests and only seen a couple of TA-152's as they raced by. I think the D9 and LA7 have far more powerful presences in the MA.
I could se how things could be as skewed for the Tempest as they are (or were) for the C-hog if the Tempest was a freel y available aircraft.
I just recall alot of doom and gloom in that some said there would be a new perk point driven behavior and that these few uber aircraft would ruin things in the MA. I personally haven't heard or seen anyone milking points with a squaddie on the other side for perks points. And anyone I've run across in a perk ride, who has shot me down, could have done the same in a 109F.
I'm not singling anyone out as it was a whole group of people who swore that AH would be just plain fediddleed up from perk planes. IMO, that has not happened and even with more in the future I don't believe it will even eventually happen.
-Westy
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Perk, schmerk!
I didn't care before and I don't care now. Fly what you like, like what you fly, don't worry about the other guy! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I do wonder about the "Early Planeset" stuff.
Eventually, those earlybirds will arrive en masse. Will they be like the C202? Or will those sneaky bastiges in Grapevine find a way to make them useful?
Stay tuned. The ride has just begun!
Life is good! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Couldn't agree more 'Toed'. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The G2 is my ride of the moment (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Nothing like killing a 190D9, then an LA-7 and finish off with a chog.
12-15 perkies. yum.
Of course, yesterday with the Bishrook masses outnumbering me 1.7, I find it hard to survive in it, but in almost equal number fights, I ain't afraid of 'um.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Aw well, Perkies is good for Capturing field... needs 2 of you: 1 in a Tempest & 1 in an M3.
Once cons show up, show yer shiny ar*e (Tempest) and just run & scream like a little girl amongst them... they usualy won't catch you & while they're busy chasing their perkies... get the M3 to drop troops.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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hope ur right about the early war stuff toad but.... I did "stick around" in WB for quite some time waiting for better six views, gunnery and flight models. Heck... if I had stayed I would still be waiting...Not to say a useful early war planeset won't happen in some kind of timely manner but... I don't think it's out of line to point out that we are going in the oppossite direction.
lazs
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I see a lot of perk planes in H2H. You can fly them whenever you want. I dont see whats so perky about them. The Temp would be but the R O F Emptys the guns fast. Yet, there is no payoff with the 20MM. No better than a snap shot in any cannon armed plane.
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I find the impact on the MA due to the perkies to be zilch nada zip NOTHING. I see a few Tempests, an occaisional 234, and the ta152 is just rare.
Still lots of planes with nice and lo ENY scores flying, earning their pilots very few perks. I had hoped to see more early war iron up, but hey I don't mind, I'm flying mostly 47d25, and a6m (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SKurj
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I think there needs to be a mid-ground for perk points. Right now it's either 50-70 or nothing. Even paying 10 pts per ride for the D9, La-7, F4U1C, and maybe even 109G10 and P51 makes sense. Chog's might HO less if it might cost 'em 10 perks.
The trick here is to have some cost for semmi-uber rides, but not so much that people start playing defensive more often than not.
-DoK
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Originally posted by Westy:
I actually can't remember who said they'd cancel but I remember several saying they would.
-Westy
I said I would drop it if it appeared I wouldnt get to fly planes I joined AH to fly.
I am going to give AH another month. Mainly though because I found alot of my WB friends have switched to AH. I am just gone alot and After 1 month in AH I have a whole whopping 50 perk points! Several 1 hour + flights hitting the targets and only 1-3 points? Sometimes 1+ hour missions where I get blasted, once on final approach at about 150 feet off the ground (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) that was actually kind of funny. I didnt see that guy at all till way too late.
---I offered to pay for 3 months in advance so I could fly the Ar234 online in the main arena.
---I offered someone $50 for there perk points hoping they would sell to me before putting them on eBay. More than once I did this I believe.
---I wrote the company (twice) and just asked if there were going to be any changes to the perk system and what was going to be considered... no response. To be fair to AH I have not seen a response at all from them corcering the perk system other than it is a work in progress.
I had other ideas in here over the last few weeks, some turned out to be bad, some seemed to get good responses.
It just seems to me that unless I can spend 50+ hours a month on AH it will take me 3+ months to gain enough points to fly. Then what if I screw up. I gotta wait another 3 months to fly it again?
This game really dosent seem to be set up for the guy who can only fly a little bit each month by using the perk system.
Bottom line for me. I see no reason to pay if I dont get to fly what I want to fly.
I am not "trying" to hold my account hostage. I just dont see paying to fly the other planes that dont usually feel like flying. If they set up the bombers to drop more realistically (I almost always fly bombers) and added the stuff like in Microproses B-17II for drift and all I would stay for sure even if I were upset with the perk system.
Other things like lots more citys, factorys, ports, AAA sites, Radar Sites, etc. then it would start to get more worth it to me.
I will see how it turns out. I it looks like things will pan out then I will stay but If appears that I wont get to fly what I want to then how could I be blamed for not wanting to stay? If I just left and didnt comment on why I was wanting to leave then no one would know why I left and no one would know that maybe there was something that would keep me here.
Sorry for the long letter (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Lazy sunday mornings are really the only free time I get.
Thanks,
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Chuck Perry
"Sky61"
[This message has been edited by Skysix1 (edited 04-01-2001).]
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There was a thread once proposing perking the 109G10, P-51D, and another plane I can't recall. I stated at the time that, at the rate I was accruing points, it would not be possible to fly these planes. This would not be an acceptable solution to me. It hasn't turned out that way.
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bump!
just because I'm feeling evil at the moment...
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Agreed Rip, the perk system is very cool indeed.
Only flown the tempest so far and only lost one to a disco (that kinda sux). The Temp is a *beast*!!!
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The perk system is so bad that even threads have to be recycled these days.
Hmm... let's see I said that either perks would be spoiling every sortie or that they would be so rare as to be useless anyway. Looks like I nailed it. We would see more of em and they would be more used and fair if they were allowed the last day or so to everyone.
lazs
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Well gents I will not be "burning through" my perks any time soon. I have like 4,000 bomber perks,and like 2,500 ftr perks, 600 or so vehicle perks.Why do U ask am I not spending them. Well I use my bomber perks often but I almost always RTB in my Blitz, I think I spent like 280 or so perks last tour on crashing my Blitz all my deaths were pilot error! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)As far as ftr is concerned I rarely use the perk planes, they don't offer me much for the turnfighting I like to do so I rarely grab one, also I fly a lot of high risk type ground attack missions and I would hate to throw my perks away that way.I do think the perk system is a well thought out sys and I am pleased with it it in general.O I also live hear that's why I have a bunch of perks.
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-21-2001).]
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Perk system is a very good solution or alternative to a rolling plane set.
The bottom line is you can't have your cake and eat it to. Every system is a compromise, and with every compromise there will be cry babies.
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I suppose a perk system will work but it needs a CAP no offense to brady and others who are accumulating them you guys have earned'em. But when the rest of the community attains numbers like you have whats the sense in having a perk point system? Soon players will have so many points built up it won't matter if they lose them or not. It will be like not having a perk system at all.
Lower the cost of perk planes and put a point CAP on the number of perkies you can earn. This way if someone loses his tempest he's done until he earns more. With lower costs and perk point CAP it ought to allow new players to hop in a perk plane a li'l faster.
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Not a bad idea BigJoe.
Maybe drop the point requirements by half (25 pts to 35) and make a perk cap of 100 pts.
[This message has been edited by Kats (edited 04-21-2001).]
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Yet to spend a perk point.
eskimo