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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: leonid on January 31, 2001, 06:44:00 PM
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How about allowing someone the ability to load up a perk bomber with a perk bomb? Namely, the atomic bomb. Of course, you'd give it some ungodly high number, so that it happens once every three weeks. Maybe even have a peculiar arming sequence brfore drop. Still, if it's possibilities you want, there you go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Great idea. One bomb and a whole field goes down for an hour. You could get a LOT of kills. Of course you better warn the friendlies to clear the area, lest killshooter take you out. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 01-31-2001).]
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I wouldent put TOO high of point value on it, I mean leveling a field isnt the end of the world, I wouldnt waste a nuke on a field, when you could destroy an entire strategic target with it, or a HQ, if there were nukes I doubt you would see them dropped on fields very often..How about the grand slam, or that wierd german anti ship missle, the more the merrier!
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Bu-bu-but it's Nulcear! The veeble-crested Vole could lose it's self esteem!
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I think its a good Idea. I started another thread in gameplay about perk objects in bombers instead of perk planes. I think that we allready have the bombers most likly to be considered perks.
Of course the lanc could probably not escape from an atom blast and you would have to be in your perk b29 to carry it. You would see the cloud from the whole map I guess eh?
my other thread. (I was acctually thinking of nukes when I wrote tallboy...but that was a small grand slam wasnt it. the nukes where fatboy and ???) http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/001107.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/001107.html)
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Think of what that might do to the sheep! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
A perk bomb is a good idea, but an A-bomb? I'd rather have a grand slam. The A-bomb was used twice in the history of man! It was a weapon of fear, and still is. Fear is useless in AH: "Knights...surrender, two of our guys are packing nukes..." (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) As it is, a pair of Lancasters can level a city.
My 2 bits,
<S>IC
[This message has been edited by iculus (edited 01-31-2001).]
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A-Bomb is to many THE most remembered weapon of WW2, its one of the first thing ya think of when you hear the phrase WW2, isnt it kind of sacrilegious to not have it? I think it could have a good role in ah, but ONLY if perked at a reasonable level, maby allow a deacent pilot to be able to afford it once every 10 sorties, bear in mind the pilot has already had to buy a b-29, Like I said, the nuke would be far to good at leveling strat targets to be wasted on a simple field attack. It could fit in well, Grand slams and such would be really cool aswell. and Tiny time rockets.
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 01-31-2001).]
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Can't you just see it now?
"Guys, we need help at 10!"
...silence...
"Guys, get to 10 NOW!"
...more silence...
"Ok, here comes the show-stopper on the A1 furball!"
"WTF!"
"WTF!"
"WTF!"
"WTF!"
"WTF!"
"WTF!"
"WTF!"
"WTF!"
ad infinitum.
I bet there are some strat guys that would spend 20,000 points just to do that once... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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A nuclear bomb is a terrible thing to waste....
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I dont think the nukes should be very huge, maby have the blast radius of about 1.5x the size of the city, make it destroy/damage planes from about 6k away, it wouldent be too devestating to planes near it unless they are fairly close to the blast point. I I think it would be VERY nice, but it would have to have the flash and shockwave and shroom cloud modeled cool visually (now is where the FR whiners come in)
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Mmmm...
G L O W I N T H E D A R K S H E E P
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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OH! And make the explosion very polygon intensive to simulate the blast/radiation effect!
"Geezus! Everything went white alluvasudden! MY FR dropped to 2!!! What the hell HAPPENED?!?! It's a frickin' slide show! Oh, hey there's a mushroom on my si-"
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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As long as HTC doesn't model the effects so perfectly that the EMP blows out every subsribers' computer.
Nukes, why not? But in all seriousness, GrandSlams and Tallboys for the Lancs!
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When I think of WWII, I think of B-17's, jazz music, and fog over England. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S>IC
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Okay, I'll put my spin on it...if one does use the A-Bomb, then they have to donate all their perk points for the next tour to the country of which he bombed. (Think post-atomic and the re-build of Japan by US currency)
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Are you guys diddlying nuts??? What the hell will you ask for next, poison gas?
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LOL Grun, I'm sure some would (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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haha...nuke A1....haha
but what about napalm, V1 buzz bombs and V2 rockets ?
44MAG
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Pongo - I believe they were called "Fat man" and "Little boy". I have some pictures from the Atomic Museum in Albequerque that I could post but I gotta get them back from my girlfriends house and scan them.
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GRUNHERZ said:
> Are you guys diddlying nuts??? What the hell will you ask for next, poison gas?
Ah, it was built and used in combat during WWII.
And unlike the AR234, it had an effect on the outcome of the war.
As for the use of gas, IJN/A and Italian aircraft should be able to do so.
Read about what happened to a ship full of Allied mustard gas that got bombed in Italy
by the germans...
Did I ever tell you all that I got the dash of my '43 jeep signed by Gen. Paul Tibits :-)
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
[This message has been edited by M.C.202 (edited 02-01-2001).]
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Dux said:
> Nukes, why not? But in all seriousness, GrandSlams and Tallboys for the Lancs!
Did you know that the B-29 could carry two Tallboys :-)
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
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Originally posted by iculus:
Think of what that might do to the sheep! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yum, Skuzzy and I drooling at the thought of ready made Kebabs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Do you get chilli sauce with the A-bomb? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Regards
Nexx
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MC202, I did not know that... they COULD, but DID they ever? Never heard of this. Cool.
John9001's suggetsion is great too... V-1's and V-2's.
As long as you can tip the V-1's with your wingtip. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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MC202 my grandfather was on the docks at Bari when the ships blew up. He was buried under some rubble and two of his troops. The one on top died, the one in the middle got real sick but lived, and my grandfather survived. The mustard gas was Bad News. There was a long delay in proper treatment because the presence of the gas on the ships was secret, and all those who knew about it were killed in the initial explosions.
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actually as could be quite simply done in AH, just klike the panzer smoke round accept how would it har pilots, I thin just makeing it instant 'pilot wounded" would be cool, but how often would pilots fly through the gas??
I think the nuke could be implemented without messing anything up, like I said you wouldent see many dropped on bases because that would be a waste of a expensive bomb. Use them on city's HQ's and other STRAT, to hit the enemy where it counts.
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funked said:
> MC202 my grandfather was on the docks at Bari when the ships blew up. He was buried
>under some rubble and two of his troops. The one on top died, the one in the middle got
> real sick but lived, and my grandfather survived. The mustard gas was Bad News. There
> was a long delay in proper treatment because the presence of the gas on the ships
> was secret, and all those who knew about it were killed in the initial explosions.
This was one of the BIG untold stories of WWII. Your grandfather was real lucky, the
effects of mustard gas can last 50+ years. Just saying "a lifetime" is too short.
I first read about it in:
DISTASTER AT BARI, by Glen Infield.
At one point there is an older German P.O.W. who is trying to get someone to listen to
him, as he remembered the smell from WWI. No one listened.
That event (Bari) could be used in the dictionary to define "clusterFu-k".
Be thankful you got to the time to know him, lots of people exposed to mustard gas "never
were the same".
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
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Should we implemant the raping of women by invading armies and concentation camps too???? MC202 these were sure in the war, and had some impact, would you say? Nuclear weapons, poison gas, and this kind of crap should not EVER be included in AH, its simply in very bad taste- and would just cheapen the historic significance of the events in question. Dont go there HTC
And no im not making a direct comparison, so dont even bother!
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Grunherz,
If you haven't noticed, the MA is not about historical accuracy, just planes from WWII. Boy, you're excitable, aren't you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"Should we implemant the raping of women by invading armies"
what are the sheep for?
wouldent they feel left out?
calm down, dont be a goofball (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I had written a long response, but instead;
.............BIG SNIP..............
As to the use of Tallboys on B-29's, darn if I know if they were used, but they were planed for.
The B-32 could be fun instead of the B-29. Ten .50s in five turrets, 20,000lb. bomb
load. 365mph, 35,000 ft at normal full load, max range 3,200 miles at max fuel, 800 miles
at max bomb load.
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M.C.202
Dino in Reno
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I am with Gruen in this matter. A-bomb should not be in the game. No, I am not the apologist of politcorrectness or game-censoring. Just in my opinion A-bomb is more the weapon of genocide than anything else, and very bad sport in terms of gameplay, so keep it out of AH.
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BTW, I think the first two nukes were called "Fatman" and "Littleboy", not "fatboy". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt.
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It would only be an Allied loadout anyway. Just more evidence of the conspiracy.
<G,D,R>
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Originally posted by Fariz:
I am with Gruen in this matter. A-bomb should not be in the game. No, I am not the apologist of politcorrectness or game-censoring. Just in my opinion A-bomb is more the weapon of genocide than anything else, and very bad sport in terms of gameplay, so keep it out of AH.
Propoganda was also a weapon of Genocide (See Hitler, Gobbel, etc).
A-Bomb was just another weapon that helped bring the end of another type of genocide, Japanese agression on other countries (See "The Rape of Nanking").
As for this sim? I agree, we don't need it.
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Originally posted by Dux:
...Nukes, why not? But in all seriousness, GrandSlams and Tallboys for the Lancs!
I REALLY think nukes would be a detriment to the game. I do think The German SC 2000, Hs 293, X-1 (Fritz X), Tall-boy, and Grand Slam etc. would make nice perk weapons. I never want to see a nuke on ANY WWII game. There a many weapons and vehicles that could be added that would be an asset to game play but not the A-bomb. Subs would be cool and the aircraft to chase them.
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The pc discussion of whether an a-bomb should or should not be in AH probably belongs in OT, but having said that.....
The "game" we are playing depicts murder every single minute of every single day we play. We "shoot" and "kill" people every day. The only difference between an a-bomb and my 1k bombs on my B26 is the amount of damage and death that can be done. I explode that B17, I've just killed many virtual people. I drop a nuke, I just killed a lot more. What's the difference? Thank God it's just a game.
I think it would be good to perk weapons if they would not normally be introduced for gameplay issues. I really don't think HTC will ever perk a nuke.
It's just a game.
Fury
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Originally posted by Jimdandy:
I REALLY think nukes would be a detriment to the game. I do think The German SC 2000, Hs 293, X-1 (Fritz X), Tall-boy, and Grand Slam etc. would make nice perk weapons. I never want to see a nuke on ANY WWII game. There a many weapons and vehicles that could be added that would be an asset to game play but not the A-bomb. Subs would be cool and the aircraft to chase them.
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Just to be sure that everyone gets the point. I don't want to see an A-bomb on the game because I think it would be a detriment to game play. It's points less on WWII sims. It was the last act of WWII that bought with it a new era of war. It is less a part of WWII and more a part of the cold war and post WWII. It was just the straw that broke the camels back.
PS It just so happens I live right next door to the first reactor that made plutonium for the Manhattan Project. There's some really historical stuff out in "The Area." It is also the most crapped up nuke res in the US. My home town. Born and raised and I still don't glow in the dark. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) One of our local schools call themselves the Bombers. Everyone thinks it's because we made A-bombs out in "The Area" but it was actually named for a B17 that the employees at Hanford donated a days pay to build. The bomber was called "Days Pay" and was shot down in WWII.
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GRUNHERTZ:
Raping of women.. a-bombs.. how horrible..
how about flying planes that were used to strafe and incinerate civilians, tanks that were used to destroy houses and crush farms.
You have double standards.
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Animal has a point, and like I said, leave the women alone, we have sheep for that, and they prolly look better than any of the women HTC would give us (polly count) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)