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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fdiron on January 17, 2002, 02:53:38 PM
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Was flying in the MA today and I got into a 1vs1 fight against a P51. We were having fun until another friendly came (haa) and started making gun passes at the P51 (I was on his tail firmly). I promptly typed in "haa screw off". To which I recieved no reply. Then another plane (Cathy) joined in and started making passes on the P51 I was dogfighting. Now heres the situation. I was firmly on the 6 of a P51 in my LA7. These 2 'friendlys' came in and tried to still my kill.
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Good red=dead red. All else is superfluous.
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Just when Rude stops his endeavor, a new contender emerges from the fray with a promising future. You were on the 6 of a P51 in a La7 and it took you so long to kill it that 2 others had time to make multiple passes on it? hmm.....:rolleyes:
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Only way to battle that is to get your kills faster. You wanna feel silly? Wing with Leviathn and try to clear his six. While you're manuvering to help he outturns both you and the guy you're trying to clear and kills him first. Talk about feeling useful. Teaches you to get to where you need to be as fast as possible and shoot right though.
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Originally posted by fdiron
I was firmly on the 6 of a P51 in my LA7.
...karma..
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ROFL!
Get used to the parade. Woulda loved ta have seen this post if somebody hopped in front of yah fer a second and you kill-shootered yer self inta confetti.
Yer just another minnow in the food chain in here.. get yer kills quick or somebody else will.
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I had a kill stealer I had to laugh at it was so ridiculous the other night... here's the situation:
4 airplanes in a row.
Up front, the bad guy in a P38. Right behind him, me in a 109G6. Right behind me, a bad guy in a Spit V. Right behind the Spit V, a friendly in something or other, coming in hot.
I shoot up the P38, blowing his booms and elevators off, and his carcass starts to flip wildly on its journey to earth. Seeing the Spit coming up my 6, with the friendly on its tail, I pull up into a big, climbing turn, the Spit V commits, and he is in the absolute perfect position for the friendly to wax him in the climb - but lo! the friendly continues straight, and fires wildly trying to shoot the carcass of the P38 before it hit ground. Then, of course, the Spit V opens up, and I have to run like a scared bunny. Now THAT is an attempted kill steal.
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Dunno about the rest of yas, but I always try to "mark" my chosen targets in the first burst. A quick "rudder walk" followed by a quick "stick bounce" and voila, you have a big T strafed into the wing.
Now I KNOW everyone that sees my "T" just breaks off the target and lets me finish him. Of course, some of you guys need to check those wings a little closer before you trip the trigger. I think some of you may have mistakenly killed my marked targets. I hope you'll be gentlemanly enough to stop doing that.
Thanks!
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Yeah, where is Rude when he's needed, anyway? :D
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I guess alot of my animosity comes from the fact that I originated from "Fighter Duel". In fighter duel you chances of winning were dependent on you flying skill. In Aces High your chances of winning a fight are dependent on how many planes launch from your airfield. The P51 and I were in a very tight fight, he was scissoring hard, so was I. We both were firing snapshots at each other. I had worked hard to get behind this P51 and I thought I was deserving of the kill. When I saw these two 'friendlies' making gun run it made me mad. In fact, one of the friendlies actually hit me with its 50 cals (it was a spit). Not enough to crash him though.
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Next time just call "dibs". That should do the trick.
AKDejaVu
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Yeah, it is irritating now that I think about it. Why don't those 400 people break off into 200 dogfighting pairs like they're supposed to?
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Yep, Just live with it!
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Is that what that "T" was for? My bad.....I'm sure I'll never let it happen again. :D
I stole a kill the other night, or so I was told.
I'm very low and in the middle of a furball, when a spitty comes outa nowhere and flys in front of my F6 at 200 yds......whats a guy to do? He wasn't smoking, but he was doing some amazing evasives. So I killed him.
Thats when I got the "you stole my kill " message. I apologized, realizing the evasives may have been due to a lack of one or more control surface.
Then I thought "STOLEN KILL" wtf? It was a red guy...So he needs to die as quickly as possible right? There are no stolen kills in the MA. If I blow a guys wing off and some countryman blows off the other wing....so be it. If ya want to duel go to the dueling arena.
If I see a countryman saddled up I will hang high and try to wing him with a loose duece. But I don't give a crap who gets the kill, and if I got an opening I'm in.
The MA is a team game IMHO.
that is all
:cool:
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It's very simple really:
A stolen kill is when somebody attacks a bandit that for all practical purposes is already dead. Kill stealers exist in large numbers, and they ain't going away.
Now, if you and two others are hard on the six of a bandit, that bandit is already dead. The moment you put him in range of the bottom feeders, he died. So what the hell are you doing chasing a dead bandit? Talk about stealing a kill! You're taking one from the guys who can't get one any other way! Jeezus, at any point in the main arena, there are 200 bandits to choose from; don't get attached. Climb up and kill somebody else.
The thrill ain't in racking up the score; it's in the hunt.
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Sorry but...I'm so sick of seeing La7's I'll purposefully steal a kill from one with the same enthusiasm I put into killing them. :D Just me.
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Did they try to steal your kill, or save you butt?
Kill stealing is shooting at a plane that is already missing important parts, I.E. = wing.
eskimo
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Thank you eskimo, I forgot that the P51D had a tail turret! Good thing those guys saved me, the tail gunner must have had me lined up for ages.
Dinger, there werent any other bandits nearby. In fact, when the P51 and I started fighting, the only person nearby was a PT boat.
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fdiron,
Just because you were on his six does not mean that you were going to win the fight. You proved that by taking so long to fight that you let a 1 V 1 turn into a 3 V 1. If you "had him" what took you so long? What were you waiting for? There are many folks in here who could have turned the tables on you and killed you in 5 seconds flat.
eskimo
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Originally posted by Fatty
Yeah, it is irritating now that I think about it. Why don't those 400 people break off into 200 dogfighting pairs like they're supposed to?
ROTFLMAO :)
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Fdiron they were trying to help. If they really wanted to steal your kill, they would do what I do. Get on the friendly's low 6, shoot some tracers past him, and hit the 6 call button. He'll do some crazy evasives and you can finish off the bandit by yourself. :)
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Once I was defending my own airfield and was shooting a P38 from quite a long distance when somebody with more speed than I had rose from nowhere straight into my line of fire to shoot the p38. Lost my elevators in the same instant and plummeted to earth without having time to eject. Now that was effective!
No whine here though. The distance was long and I did not use tracers so the other guy did not have no way of knowing I was firing. Gotta be more care ful next time...
-Chrg-
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Was flying in the MA today and I got into a 1vs1 fight against a P51. We were having fun until another friendly came (haa) and started making gun passes at the P51 (I was on his tail firmly). I promptly typed in "haa screw off". To which I recieved no reply. Then another plane (Cathy) joined in and started making passes on the P51 I was dogfighting. Now heres the situation. I was firmly on the 6 of a P51 in my LA7. These 2 'friendlys' came in and tried to still my kill.
I didn't film this fight, but this is how I remember it (vaguely):
More planes had been involved, but the P-51 was the last enemy left. I had been fighting some other plane when I spotted you two scissoring on the deck. On my FE it looked like the P-51 had you outscissored, I saw it firing several times. I started to make passes but missed with my first shots. And no, I didn't see your message...
I am certain that the P-51 shot down one plane before I got him. Was that you or someone else?
Anyway, I am sorry if I stole a certain kill for you. It just didn't look that way to me. Afterwards I was feeling a bit ashamed of my poor gunney that let the P-51 get that kill...
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If you want 1 v 1 fights go to the dueling arena. There is always friendlies about in the MA except when u need them. :D (and then sometimes they are there then to save ur butt :) )
As for this part of ur post
I promptly typed in "haa screw off".
Not really polite, and had u said that to me, I would've killed the con just for spite.
straffo where's the football for that monkey???? :D
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If you cant kill a P51 on the deck with an La-7 in 5 seconds you probably dont deserve the kill :)
Jokes apart, welcome in the Main, if you wanna kill your SA should monitor both friends and foes ;)
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teach ya to play with your food.
I have watched people take forever to kill a con... Sometimes 4 guys will be down there fighting with one con and he ends up getting away. I kill anything that is still capable of fight or flight. I don't care if a friendly "thinks" he can kill the guy in another sector or so.
I fly a plane with 6 fifties. I have about 40% assists. It's a reality of the game. If I don't kill quick or hard then someone with a cannon plane will finnish him off and get the kill. No big deal. If I am engaged with and enemy and scisoring... By all means come over and kill the guy for me.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
teach ya to play with your food.
I have watched people take forever to kill a con... Sometimes 4 guys will be down there fighting with one con and he ends up getting away. I kill anything that is still capable of fight or flight. I don't care if a friendly "thinks" he can kill the guy in another sector or so.
One Of my favorite passtimes is to be 1-2K above watching four or five friendlys chase one con all over the map great pucker factor :D . but after about 20- 30sec i start getting bored and drop down and waste the con and fly away with a big :)
But if its a 1on1 i try to wait till the friendly gets in trouble then ill jump in most of the time;)
Moto_MOL
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If enemy plane does not equel to
-Burning
-Spiraling
-Tailless
-Plummeting
-Crashing
-Wingless
-Etc
Repeat (fire1 + 2) untill above equals true
Broes
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Originally posted by fdiron
Was flying in the MA ...
nuff said :D
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"I thought I was deserving of the kill"
In all honesty if you deserved the kill, then it would have been awarded to you. The MA is nothing if not fair: Everybody starts with the same opportunities. At the end of the day the number of kills you got, the number of times you got shot down etc.. etc.. are all a direct result of how you took advantage of the opportunities present in the MA.
Hooligan
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Personally, If I don't want my kill stolen, then I keep firing untill the badit explodes into a fireball. Otherwise, you just leave the possibility of a "steal".
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>>>when a spitty comes outa nowhere and flys in front of my F6 at 200 yds......<<<
Thats not stealing a kill. It is stupidity on the nmez part, and tough luck on the friendlie's part. If you hadn't shot him, he woulda shot somebody else who was expecting you to have killed him.-----thats teamwork.:D
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>>>There are many folks in here who could have turned the tables on you and killed you in 5 seconds flat. <<<
Ummm sorry, I don't buy it. Not at 2 to 300 yds dead 6, aint gonna happen. Although with the conns in the MA of late and the lag etc. rubber bullets can allow a dead nme to magically get away from certain death. Otherwise, nope.
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Originally posted by Don
[BUmmm sorry, I don't buy it. Not at 2 to 300 yds dead 6, aint gonna happen. [/B]
Wanna bet?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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The absolute best way to avoid getting your kill stolen ?
simple.. blow the con up!
There's nothing like a huge explosion to keep the frienlies away :)
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What's really sad is when you see a vet from a well known squad out stealing kills . I saw this last night to my dismay :(
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AHHHHHHHHH so thats it!
My kills have been stolen, I thought all those asst were just because I sucked.;)
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fdiron i assume you was low fighting the p51?
maybe those two guys came over saw 2 dots and dived in to help,blowing 10 minutes of climbing E only to see you had it under control and thought well hell i may as well attack and hurt/kill it and help this guy get clear and up to alt.
Thats what i would have done to be honest.Maybe, since i know an La7 will eat the p51 alive(if it has got slow and lo), I would have let you finish him and zoom back up but generally if i see a countrymate fighting low id make a fireing pass on the enemy.
NOT because i want your kill but to HELP YOU get advantage or better position.
And how many times have these same people SAVED your bellybutton after a fight gets low and slow eh?
Remember not all players know the different planes in and out.
give em a break.
The only time a kill is a steal is when YOU HAVE ALREADY DISABLED the enemy aircraft and that doesnt mean you have holed a fuel tank or broke off an aileron either, it means that aircraft isnt going anywhere(ie vertical stabiliser,a wing or tail or engine fire).
shoot at these sort of disabled targets and you are a theif :D