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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SirLoin on January 17, 2002, 04:22:28 PM
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I'm really upset about that original thread.I can't belive the level of prejudice that still exists and that it was not moderated early on(I mean a HTC admin prod to keep it civil).I don't even agree with TV stations that target racial/gender audiences(Black,Women's TV),but until Gays have equal rights(Benefits,adoption,marriage) they should use any means possible to promote and educate others of thier cause.
This is not the first time I've seen a thread so offensive not be moderated so I have to decided to quit The O' Club for good!I'm going back to SimHQ.com for general forum postings.:mad:
BTW...I like to cross dress when I fly.Please don't tell my wife.
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Wow, thanks for the great insight.
For the most part it was civil, until Grunherz went off the handle because Wotan indirectly called him a homo... or his parents. Hell I forget which, either way it was funny as hell!
-SW
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CAREFULL or I'll share my story about the adult book store and what they did in their natural environment.
can we say GLORY HOLE?!?!?!?!?!
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"but until Gays have equal rights(Benefits,adoption,marriage) they should use any means possible to promote and educate others of thier cause. "
uh, I guess it's "their cause" that I have a problem with...
Johny has two Dads, Mary has two moms seems extremely unnatural. I do believe nature setup it for a man and a woman to produce offspring for a good reason, but what do I know ...
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Originally posted by Udie at Work
CAREFULL or I'll share my story about the adult book store and what they did in their natural environment.
can we say GLORY HOLE?!?!?!?!?!
LOL..."they". That's like making a judgement on the entirety of the heterosexual population by observing the few who shopped at that same adult book store. I especially liked your observation of how those evil gays brought the scourge of HIV & AIDS down upon all of us poor innocent heterosexuals because of "their" evil lifestyle.
Remember how you were coming down on Mr Fish for his views on Jews, Udie? Look in the mirror real quick.
SOB
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One of the "objections" brought up in the last thread was about a "Mothers Day" that was phased out due to Gays.
I was a single Father for many years. Until I married the second beautiful Mrs. Tahgut I was raising my children alone (custody winner before it became usual).
They had a "Mommy and Me" day at school every year, and it was heartbreaking for my kids, as I was the only Father in the classroom. Where's your Mom? How come your Dad is here?
I called Shenanigans on the school board and the day was renamed "Parents Day". Was I being PC? Hell no! Was this some sort of Gay agenda ....no! Do I have a better understanding of the difficulties involved in nontraditional Families. Hell yes!
Take a look sometime at the percentage of "Nuclear" families that still exist. I think it is not even a quarter of all families. We need to make the best of this situation by providing community support for all family groups. Screaming about gay sex or other nonsense is counterproductive to our entire society.
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OK I cant stand it anymore... I must yell it for all to hear!!
I AM A HOMOSEXUAL, AND PROOUUUUUUDDDD OF IT!!!
Come here Vulcan and Grunhertz, SWulfe and I have something to show you, we are gonna pull you two out of that stinking closet!!!
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Well I sure didnt go off on Kratzer, I said diddly you to him since he called my parents ignorant uneducated yokels or something, then I asked for an apology. Hes the one who went and made personal attacks. I asked for an apology.
Funny thing is I dont mind the gay channel at all, read my posts in that thread, I dont know why Kratzer attacked me, maybe he has issues.
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Hey guess what, with Animals sudden coming out that must mean that damn fine girl Animal showed us a picture of a while back is prolly available!!! :D Maybe she was just his "girlfriend" and not his girl!
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Ordinarily people get the message the first time around. Guess not.
Tah Gut, sorry for your suffering- but look at what you did as a result. You forced everyone in that school to bend to your conditions. You don't see something wrong there? I do.
Right now any parent can walk in with the most ridiculous demand and change school policies that have lasted for decades- all because we are afraid of civil action. It's silly. You don't like Mother's Day? Stay home that day. I feel people like you are slowly destroying my culture. Of course, since I am white and heterosexual that doesn't matter, but I am sickened by it nonetheless.
Sad crap happens every day- it is a fricken reality. To change the school holiday just so you won't be reminded of your loss is selfish beyond imagination. I am for understanding, believe it or not, but dammit, sometimes people push my patience too far.
I came from a broken home. I had an abusive step-father. I have no right to change the school holiday because the day would remind me of dear ol' dad. I learned to deal with it.
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She was just a cover.
A beautiful sexy and disguisting lie I had to live thru for two years, until I couldnt take the stench of female pherhormones anymore, and got rid of her.
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Animal- keep me out of your homo-fantasies. I'm glad you have the courage to wave that rainbow flag and stamp that purple inverted triangle your forehead... but man, keep your hands off me! Just because I let you top me off doesn't mean I'm gay... right???? ;)
-SW
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There will be a Gay Parents day sooner or later, in fact I belive some uppity progressive schools allready have them.....
Ok lets have it, I say very un PC thing.......
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I reread my post.....where the hell did I say "Mothers Day"?
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Trust me.:rolleyes:
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I see, my mistake. I will edit it.
Can easily confuse "mommy and me" with mother's day...
EDIT: and since that was a school sponsored event, I can see why you would want it changed.
-SW
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OK, seriously now.
I dont know what the big deal is about all this gay fear. Its not a sickness. If you consider yourself straight, you shouldnt feel threatned by homosexuals at all (unless they try to rape you?)
I used to be prety critical of homsexuals before I worked at a restaurant in an area with high gay concentration.
I met a few homsexuals there. They are mostly normal people. They are not out there to corrupt your childrens mind or your own. They mostly want to be let alone.
We have hundreds of channels of our interest. Why cant gays have a channel for them to watch? Christ, its a damn pay channel, you dont get it unless you want to.
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We already have Lifetime, MTV, VH1 and Showtime Animal.. do they need anymore channels?!?!?!?! ;)
-SW
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
There will be a Gay Parents day sooner or later, in fact I belive some uppity progressive schools allready have them.....
Ok lets have it, I say very un PC thing.......
GRUNHERZ you're a Golly-geen card carrying, white sheet, pointy hat wearing NAZI!!!!
The damn day was called Mommy and Me for cryin' out loud. No one said it was Mother's Day. Now if there had also been a Daddy and Me day it wouldn't have been such a big deal. But there wasn't. It was exclusionary.
But we don't want to rock the boat do we...I mean...I mean what would people think.
Tar Gut had his children's backs. For those of you that wouldn't do the same for thier children...get your priorities straight.
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You are basically saying you are understanding of how gays can feel left out. While your example was not Mother's Day, you made the remark in defense of those that would change Mother's Day. You then gave a sermon on how we have to become more tolerant.
Still, you did change a school holiday because of your individual discomfort. The obvious thing to do would have been to refuse to participate- ironically, that would have been "tolerant". Nope, let's change it instead.
In Indiana we have "take your daughter to work" day. But wait, what if some boy gets upset he doesn't get to go to work that day? We should dump the occasion! Of course, the intent is to help girls understand the need to stay in school and to become professional, but no, that isn't fair to the boys. Nevermind girls begin to lag behind academically by high school age because of peer and societal pressure.
I have been ridiculed and criticized here for my religious beliefs- and you know what? That's ok, I don't expect people to believe as I do necessarily, though I will happily discuss it. What I would never deign to do is to walk into any business or institution and tell them they needed to change for lil ol me.
I am not necessarily anti-Gay; I am totally against any gay agenda that has as its aim turning homosexuality into a social norm. I am against any reform that forces me to tell kids it's ok to be gay just as I would be against telling them promiscuous heterosexual sex is ok. I refuse. I swear, the day I am forced to do that is the day I walk out of the class and never return.
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...You are right Wulfie. I forgot MTV.
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Spare me. I work for a public school. I see every day how we dance like puppets on strings pulled by ever-changing puppeteers. We get pulled this way, we get pulled that way, and then get criticized for not having the guts to take a stand. Tahgut's example is a perfect illustration of the powerlessness of public schools. It is without doubt the single most frustrating aspect of my job.
It is amazing for all the preaching about tolerance he had so little.
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Thrawn, Tah Gut was referring to me. I edited my post though, because I incorrectly read Mother's Day from Mommy and Me... Might of been because another person mentions the removal of Mother's Day in a certain school in this thread.
I'm not sure, but I think Grun was replying to my post which has since been edited.
However, you must realise something Thrawn, you do more to hurt your children if you get something removed so they don't get their feelings hurt. In this case, I was mistaken- I thought Tah Gut meant Mother's Day, but he was referring to a school sponsored event. However, if you remove Mother's Day because it may hurt your children's or remove Father's Day because of the same thing, well you are really damaging them. At the very least, you are teaching them that certain things that have been the same way for the past (I dunno how long those two days have been around for) number of years can be changed for you... not for the larger part of society... just for you.
For the record, I did not have a mom in my house from the age of 8 or 9, and I have not had a mom since I was 13. My dad is very straight if you are wondering by this point. If you are confused, I can clear it up if you want. I never asked for things to get changed for me, I didn't care. Of course, this was several years ago- everything's different now. You have to tip toe around everything in case you could possibly offend someone.
-SW
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Thrawn, Tah Gut was referring to me. I edited my post though, because I incorrectly read Mother's Day from Mommy and Me... Might of been because another person mentions the removal of Mother's Day in a certain school in this thread.
Sorry about that, I was writing my post as you were correcting yours.
"However, you must realise something Thrawn, you do more to hurt your children if you get something removed so they don't get their feelings hurt."
How's that?
And Kieran
So the people who are going to help shape the minds of my children are going to be my puppets...good!:D
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Um... remember when they closed this thread? I believe that meant we should all shut up... :)
And Grunherz, I truly did not intend to insult your parents. At least not yet. I'd have to meet them to be sure.
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Thrawn im a what again? I donno I have an NRA card if that counts?
Well think of how all the children without gay parents must feel on Gay Parents day???? :)
Anyway I agree with Tahgut they should just call it Parents Day or maybe Family Day or something generaly inclusive and harmless .
I wonder what it is I just said that will make somebody mad? Dont let me down, find it fast! Then call me bad names..... :rolleyes:
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Apology accepted Kratzer. Thank You.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Anyway I agree with Tahgut they should just call it Parents Day or maybe Family Day or something generaly inclusive and harmless .
I wonder what it is I just said that will make somebody mad? Dont let me down, find it fast! Then call me bad names..... :rolleyes:
What about the poor lil' orphans...you freaking facist!!
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Yup, Thrawn, remember the next time you march into a school with little Johnny in tow, howling your head off, you'll probably get your way- until Benny's mom walks in and wants the opposite.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Yup, Thrawn, remember the next time you march into a school with little Johnny in tow, howling your head off, you'll probably get your way- until Benny's mom walks in and wants the opposite.
Well yeah....but I can kick Benny's mom's ass.;)
I understand Kieran and I imagine the it's hell on the teachers.
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Very good Thrawn, very very good! I love the facist tie in, that gets a bonus. :)
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Thank you, I liked the iliteration myself.:)
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Originally posted by SOB
LOL..."they". That's like making a judgement on the entirety of the heterosexual population by observing the few who shopped at that same adult book store. I especially liked your observation of how those evil gays brought the scourge of HIV & AIDS down upon all of us poor innocent heterosexuals because of "their" evil lifestyle.
Remember how you were coming down on Mr Fish for his views on Jews, Udie? Look in the mirror real quick.
SOB
Hey I didn't say all of em. But all the ones that went in that place were sick individuals. I'm sure that alot of it was that at that time there weren't many places they could go to hang out....er.. meet together. But this toejam I saw was squealing disgusting. Any person who would pay a stranger %50 to suck his donut is sick. Some of them would go back and wait for hours for "fresh meat" to come in.
About mrfish, I already said my apolgies to him and admitted I was wrong for getting bent and he accepted the apology :). Please don't get bent on me for something I think is gross. I let them be. I can't stand what they do but I have never tried to stop them except for the 1 guy who grabbed my arse. Remember I do have some friends who are "that way"
Ted Nugent put it best.
"Look if somebody wants to go dance around in a bucket of goat piss be my guest, just don't splash it on me" :D
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Any person who would pay a stranger %50 to suck his donut is sick.
Yep that's way too much. Animal only charges $20.
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$25 if they look unhealthy.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Yep that's way too much. Animal only charges $20.
gotta love a slowing economy :D eeeewwwwwww
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I keep getting flash backs, of the Monty Python guys drag racing. Insensitive British nazies.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
How's that?
I explained it in the paragraph where you got the sentence from.
-SW
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Originally posted by Animal
OK, seriously now.
I dont know what the big deal is about all this gay fear. Its not a sickness. If you consider yourself straight, you shouldnt feel threatned by homosexuals at all (unless they try to rape you?)
I used to be prety critical of homsexuals before I worked at a restaurant in an area with high gay concentration.
I met a few homsexuals there. They are mostly normal people. They are not out there to corrupt your childrens mind or your own. They mostly want to be let alone.
We have hundreds of channels of our interest. Why cant gays have a channel for them to watch? Christ, its a damn pay channel, you dont get it unless you want to.
...can we please knock off the "fear" thing. Just like "homophobe" is nothing more than a buzzword used by the gays and thier sympathizers to further thier agenda by pretending those on the "otherside" might really start to think they are afraid of Gays. Not only that it attempts to put Gays in the position of superiority and it's quite honestly roadkill.
Gays can have thier TV channel. My children will NOT watch it. I don't give a crap whether two people are gay or not, but my kids won't be while they live in MY house because I believe it is fundamentaly ...wierd. I don't give a crap about whether johnny or jane have 2 mommies or 2 daddies. I don't really care what anyone else wants to do, as long as they are happy and aren't disgusting about it...I really don't CARE, go marry your goat for all I care. Really, the only "problem" I have with Gays is the men lol. Man...I just can't figure out why anyone would want to go in through the out-door with EITHER sex....or Animal even.
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Well that's better I guess.Only one personal attack and no blatantly offensive remarks.Might even get around to "agreeing to disagree". Perhaps this one wont get locked out...:D
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Once again folks, it's very simple. You want to find openly gay folks, look for an environment where open homosexuals are accepted (not "tolerated", as was pointed out before).
But many gays don't live in those environments. Some keep to themselves. Others have trouble admitting their homosexuality to themselves. Many of those repressed souls you can find at certain parks in your town, hanging out in the public restroom, meeting each other for a quickie. It's sick, but that's the price of societal repression.
Look, I've seen a bit of the world, and I'm a little slow, so folks have tried more and less subtle ways of picking up on me.
(By slow I mean it took me three years to realize that when she let the nightgown fall open, she was coming on to me -- and I was interested in her)
So, sure, I've had men and women come on to me in various parts of the world. I still haven't given in to the men yet. But in my experience, the less accepting a culture is of homosexuality, the more intrusive and brazen those encounters are.
So in other words, the sordid stories I see here as excuses for why "we should keep them studmuffingots in their place" are justifications for perpetuating a system that is sick for both hetero- and homosexuals. That for me is an illness we need to fight.
(and in case you're wondering, the extreme is a nation on the US list of sponsors of terrorism, where male homosexual behaviour is some sort of capital offense).
And yeah, there will always be "swingers" who are an insult to whatever sexual orientation they might have.
And a "sidewinder up the tailpipe" is about as much a part of male homosexual love as its heterosexual equivalent. Sure I think about female genitalia all the time, but when I'm in love with a woman, sex is a small (but important) part of the equation.
If sex were the major reason, we'd all avail ourselves of prostitutes: they're cheaper for god's sake!
Oh yeah, and don't mix pedophiles in. The Boy Scouts ban decent family-man homosexuals (like Robert Baden-Powell), but those spooky pedophiles always seem OK by their book. Thankfully I was never the smallest, most lonesome boy in the troop. Still I remember those campouts, where we heard from the Asst. TL's tent "Hey Steve, wanna see where the horse bit me?"
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If sex were the major reason, we'd all avail ourselves of prostitutes: they're cheaper for god's sake!
Man I need to keep this one as a quote, too bad CP's out ;)
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I'm pretty peeved with this issue..
The policy of the finnish national tv is not to send any explicit material. Only thing that comes out is very light erotic material.. You know, the kind that shows less tits than an average french family movie. Seriously :)
They used to show that soft stuff for some time, it was annoying, but I reckoned someone might find it entertaining.
Then the change came.. A new national subculture channel came.. They started to show erotic programs made for homosexuals. I was appaulled.
But that wasn't enough.. The other national channels (except the two controlled by the government) changed the soft porn to soft GAY porn! The only sexual oriented programs that come out in finland today are GAY programs!
How twisted to hell can that be???? If there weren't filmnet and TV1000 and ATV and ETV24 (which are all paid channels) it wouldn't be possible to see any straight erotica anywhere. I'm disgusted, the board in the channels must all be 'left handed.'
I'm ok with homosexuals as long as they don't bring their issues to my home. Unfortunately they do, and I don't have to like it.
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For the most part it was civil, until Grunherz went off the handle because Wotan indirectly called him a homo... or his parents. Hell I forget which, either way it was funny as hell!
wasn't me mate
I so homophobic I was scared to post in such a gay thread that I may percieved as such.......:)
this threads gay to..........
people who identify themselves by there sexual acts should expect to people to call umm on it.
The loud flaming gay pride types wear their perverted behavior on thier sleeve and dare someone to call umm on it.
Homos have been around for years as long as they keep their sexual behavior to themselves who would care?
If they can earn a buck catering to 2-3% of the us population that is gay so be it (by statistic gays are concentrated around certain areas so in one community their percentage of the population maybe higher).
Alot of TV already is gay and I watch it rarely.
I find it hypocritical the people say we should see through thier behavior and view them as "persons" when they are the ones who define themselves by thier sexual acts.
We dont need to give "specialial rights status" to a sexual act.
Please keeop me out of all further "gay threads" makes my skin crawl...........:)
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Four years ago I supervised the "homosexual detail" at a county park. We achieved some notoriety, in that we arrested on the average of 30 homosexuals a week from an area of the park that was set aside for boyscout camping, and we had a high conviction rate using audio taped evidence. The operation was in response to complaints from the boy scouts, park management and people trying to enjoy the park with their kids. The charges were usually for exposure or simple battery (when a homosexual would "grab for the gold" on the undercover officer)
Many of you, Udie excepted, probably havn't seen much aggressive homosexual behavior. It is easy to take the high moral ground in support of homosexuality when it doesn't encroach on YOUR life.
I am not condemning all gay people for this. (You never see Lesbians cruising for instance) There are gay males who don't engage in this conduct. But many do.
See for yourself. Drive to secluded area of a large public park in an urban area at lunch time. When you pass a car driven by a lone male, watch in your rear view mirror. When he is past you, give a couple quick taps on your brake pedal. If you see a response from his brake lights, you have just made your first cruising contact. Drive slowly to a bathroom and park. When the other car arrives and parks, exit your vehicle and walk slowly into the bathroom and wait. Your boyfriend will arrive shortly. When you become attuned to this, you will be astonished at what is going on around you.
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See for yourself. Drive to secluded area of a large public park in an urban area at lunch time. When you pass a car driven by a lone male, watch in your rear view mirror. When he is past you, give a couple quick taps on your brake pedal. If you see a response from his brake lights, you have just made your first cruising contact. Drive slowly to a bathroom and park. When the other car arrives and parks, exit your vehicle and walk slowly into the bathroom and wait. Your boyfriend will arrive shortly. When you become attuned to this, you will be astonished at what is going on around you.
Do this work with picking up girls in the US too? :D
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LOL I wish :D
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Outstanding work Gunthr, I hope you put away many more of these dangerous degenerates and deviants, thus keeping them off our streets! I Salute your effort and leadership in this field! America is greatful!
May I ask what was their punishment and is the program ongoing?
Lots of good stuf here for you Thrawn and Tahgut.... One of my best I think- enjoy!
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Pole smokers are males...seeking males. Males are sexualy aggressive thus there is the problem. They'll be the ones you find in the park hooking up for casual sex...
Males are the "superior" in sex w/male and female. When a male gives into allowing himself to be penetrated he is taking a "inferior" or submissive role ie that of the female in sex. He is allowing his bellybutton to be domanated. This is what I find sickening.
Sex is something that has a main purpose of procration, continuing the species. There is no chance of this happening w/Male + Male. The reason homosexuality is/was so taboo in many cultures is that it was self destructive. It simply didnt help the strength of those communities per say. Thus often they "culled" the problem.
On anthor note there is suppose to be evidence that some of the greatest soldiers in history where at least Bi-Sexual ie the Spartens. It was encouraged among the male only schools to incress thier loyality for one anthor. This is where the term "shield-mate" arose.
xBAT
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sorry, no gays as Boy Scout leaders either. It's a sexual preference thing just as you don't have MEN as Girl Scout leaders...
anyone remember the Democrats booing the Boy Scouts at the Dem Con? Booing the Boy Scouts, siding with homos over our youth, sheesh....makes me sick to my stomach. I guess its because homos vote and have $$ for politics and our boys do not ...
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Ok I do have a slight problem with Gays (an incident I just remembered). My problem is when they get together with thier "militant" attitude when you tell them they've done something rather stupid.
Back many many moons ago...when i was a dork on AOheL (ya I'm still a dork but not THAT big a dork), I was cruising the message boards and found myself reading some guys sob sob story. To make a long story short...this guy was whining because his 13yr old daughter refused to talk to him. He had a year earlier decided to "come out of the closet", divorce his wife and move in with his boyfriend. He was actually asking WHY his daughter refused to communicate with him and what he should do about it....sheesh.
Well, with a slight grin I posted an answer for him. Here it is verbatim.
"Dude, you put where your put your dick in front of how you raise your family. Is your daughter supposed to jump for joy?"
...man I had every freekin butt-pirate west of the Rockies offering to come kick my bellybutton within 5 minutes lol. I had to change my email address even. Anyway, the same goes for Hetero's who do that kind of thing (IMHO) but for christ-sake, I don't have to fear being beaten to death over making a sensible statement to THEM.
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Well demographically speaking gays tend to be wealthier, better eductaed and more politically active than the average US citizen.
Yea, yea booo, hisss, bad, grun say bad thing......
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Originally posted by batdog
On anthor note there is suppose to be evidence that some of the greatest soldiers in history where at least Bi-Sexual ie the Spartens. It was encouraged among the male only schools to incress thier loyality for one anthor. This is where the term "shield-mate" arose.
xBAT
Ya gotta wonder if "gunners-mate" is in there somewhere lol.
...IN THE NAVYYYYY, YOU CAN SAIL THE SEVEN SEA's..........
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Alexander the Great was gay.
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"May I ask what was their punishment and is the program ongoing?" - Grunherz
1. These arrests are misdemeanors - not too serious. .. fines, maybe some jail time. However, these arrests have a profound impact on the lives of some people. Public exposure of a sexual organ is a crime of "moral turpitude" that would prevent you from being able to work many jobs, ie teacher, firefighter, police, etc.
2. The program is on-going, but only when needed, based on complaints. We hit it pretty hard when I was in the vice unit because this particular park was in gay newspapers, on bulletin boards in gay bars and on the internet as a great cruising place. Soon, we were in those same rags and bulletin boards as a place to avoid, and we were able to re-direct our resources.
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1. These arrests are misdemeanors - not too serious. .. fines, maybe some jail time.
Jailtime? really is that an appropriate punishment?? :D
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Beats castration. I'm sure they'll find some takers in jail anyway :) Of course "bubba" will want to be in the drivers seat and then give sloppy seconds to the rest of his crew....
xBAT
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ROFL
Hm..come to think about it, jail must be like summercamp for gays.
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"Jailtime? really is that an appropriate punishment?? " - Maniac
For weenie wagging? I dunno. I just work here :D
Maybe the people who make the laws could answer that one... multiple offenders would be more likely to get jail time, or arrestees with more than one charge, ie battery on a LEO, escape, obstruction w/without violence, possession of drugs or contraband, spitting or biting/ HIV+ and so on...
By the way, I never looked at that assignment as being on mission from God or anything. I have a lot of compassion for people. Most guys didn't care for it because it was only misdemeanors, and when challanged at trial, many of the cases were fought as hard as murder cases. And for what? The gays are still in the park, and always will be I guess.
Drugs, and forfeitures. Now thats where all the glory is...
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Sorry Grunherz, I think the parks should be safe for kids too. The behavior described doesn't belong in public and should be stopped.
Still looking for that "rich Gays" backup material though.