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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Molly on January 18, 2002, 04:37:56 PM
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I've looked at the specs and I can't seem to find any major differences between the 3 P-47 models. Can someone help clarify the differences, and their effect in game?
M
p.s. sorry for the "essay sounding" question... :D
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P-47 D11 : lighter, turns better, a tad slower than its other models.
P-47D25 & 30 : Identical, except that the D30 carries more ordenance, and when carrying it, it has rocket rails that give it more drag than if it had taken off without rockets.
Imo, jugs are just big bombs with a prop in front. :)
All 3 are excellent above 25k.
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All 3 models have the "factory" listed top speed of 425mph at rated altitude.
P-47D-30: Higher horsepower engine, higher MAP pressure, paddle prop modeled, more ordnance carrying, has speed/dive flaps, bubble canopy. My favorite model Jug.
P-47D-25: Brazilian markings, not sure why it is not called a Razorback, as it still has the older style canopy. Pretty much the same as the D-30, minus the dive flaps, and I believe a tad less HP.
P-47D-11: True Razorback. Lightest of the AH Jugs, which isn't saying much ;) Best of the Jugs in the turns, can surprise others with it's low speed handling IF the fuel load is light. Has the toothpick prop. Not sure, but I think the climb is supposed to be lower on this one, due largely to the prop. Only carries one 500 lb bomb, or one drop tank. Lower internal fuel capacity in this Jug.
I like to take the D-30 most of the time, as the views are better IMO, I can put out the dive flaps and "feel" safer in my dives (purely psychological, I know....AH dive flaps in the fighters have no noticeable effect). If I want to goof off, I take the D-11 and do more turning in it. But I hate the 6 views in it, the canopy braces get in my way a lot, etc. Ammo, sancho, and if the tard ever comes back, FRENCHY are the masters of the Jug. Drex, master of all the planes in AH, is also a killer in one of these birds. I am but a flunky, master of none of the above; but I love the Jug and can't wait til someday we get one set up to fight like the "in the field" ones. :D
Hopefully, ammo or sancho or Drex will chime in here and enlighten you more on the wonderful attributes of "Jug"philia. Hope I gave you a rough idea of what we have in the AH P-47 planeset.
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Erhh, the D-25 have a bubbletop canopy.
Daff
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Tac doesnt know what he's talking about.
Actually, the D-11 is the fastest, but not by much. It is lighter and turns well compared to the others, but climbs horribly slow. It carries only 1 bomb/drop tank and is one of the least used planes in the game.
The D30 and D25 were identical in speed and climb until the current version where the wep performance was increased on the D30. With a light fuel and ammo load the D30 now climbs competitively with most other planes.
The D25 carries the rocket tubes which cannot be jettisoned once mounted. The D30 carries zero-length launching stubs which do not effect performance after rockets are gone. Both can carry huge amounts of fuel/ordinance and are good for jabo or hi altitude fighter work.
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awesome, guys thanks!
one last thing..
jabo is....?
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German abbreviation for Fighter-Bomber...Jagdbomber.
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the D11 has shorter range (305 gal tank) than the D25 and D30 (370 gal tank).
I'm far from being good in the jugs, but I just love to get killed in them. For some odd reason I do much better in the D25 than in the D30. think the controlls are a bit better for me, but could be just psycological.
Bozon
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I believe the D25 is slightly lighter than the D30... at least it feels a bit more nimble than the D30 to me (nimble for a Jug that is ;) )
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S!
D-11 is fastest of the three (atleast at SL), but with WEP I think D-30 beats it after WEP power corrections HTC made. D-11 got more weight in version 1.07 or 8, it was too light (I've heard :rolleyes: )
I prefer D-11 over other models, visibility is poor, but I usually end up in situations, where I'm low & slow, then D-11 starts to shine compared to D-25 and D-30. But don't get me wrong, any fighter and most of the bombers can turn better than D-11! Don't start to tangle with B26, you're like a sitting duck there ! :D
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I know this contradicts to the data available, but I've experienced horrible difficulties when trying to extend with the D-11 from a slow turnfight.. It's like its level acceleration is close to zero.
IMO if I turnfight in 47-d30 with full flaps and then start extending with wep, I have 40% better chances of getting out of harms way. Or maybe it's just a feeling.. With D-11 I feel like I'm stuck in a tar pit. In any case I get killed way more in D-11 than in D-30 and that should tell something.
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Wow, Daff, now I feel even dumber.........hardly ever flew or fly the D-25, thought it did not have a bubble top canopy...sorry, Molly, my bad................
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Hi Mrsid,
>IMO if I turnfight in 47-d30 with full flaps and then start extending with wep, I have 40% better chances of getting out of harms way. Or maybe it's just a feeling..
You could try and compare the climb rates of both P-47 models at the starting speed and starting configuration to get clarity. Climb rate is closely connected with acceleration, but easier to measure.
If you try the same P-47 with and without flaps at different speeds, you could even find out at which speeds during the acceleration you should retract the flaps to get away most quickly.
(If you got enough altitude, an unloaded dive with retracted flaps should give you enough speed not to need flaps during the extension, but it sounds like your starting situation includes not having enough altitude for that :-)
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Its not contradictory at all mrsid. You can get an idea of acceleration at a particular speed by looking at the climb rate. The D11 climbs considerably slower than the D30 at low to medium speeds. Only near max speed does the D11 begin to out climb/accelerate the D30.
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http://sivut.koti.soon.fi/jannousiainen/online_sims/jg_4/index.htm
Is this right then? When I compare the 3 they all seem the same to me mostly.
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S!
As Jan stated "Data is taken directly from charts in HTC's homepages so they might not represent 100% accurately performance of planes in AH".
I think HTC hasn't updated its charts after HTC's D-30 wep update and by that nor Jan. There are differences between P-47's, but not so significant. With WEP D-30 is fastest then D-11 and D-25. If you look SL speeds from HTC charts it states that D-11 is fastest and then D-30 and D-25. With that 300hp wep boost D-30 had, it should be the fastest, but as I've said before, I haven't re-tested them after update.
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Vector there is no need to update the charts because they now match the in-game performance. In the last version the D30 wasnt achieving the charted performance because of a wep bug.
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S!
Regurge, I have to disagree with you. If you look charts very carefully you can see that D-11 is fastest at the SL as it was before D-30 update. Tested speeds at SL (50% fuel) before update:
-D-11 333/344mph
-D-25 329/340mph
-D-30 329/340mph
It's hard to believe that D-30 wouldn't gain additional speed with its wep boosted up 300hp. Going to re-test jugs soon and then we have some certain figures.
EDIT: Hmm, could be that wep has no or little effect on SL and starts to kick in at higher alts. Anyway I'll be back after some more testing.
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After testing speeds again, it seems that you're right. D-11 is still fastest jug as D-30 gained only 2 mph additional speed after update :eek:
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D-30 has 2600HP with WEP
D-25 has 2300HP with WEP
Hooligan