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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Midnight on February 01, 2001, 11:01:00 AM
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For those that join mission.. Thank you..
For those that don't join... WHY?
Please list a few reasons why you don't join missions.
MA history shows that coordinated mission get the fastest results. Why not become part of a team? Why do you fly alone and attack seperate? Be Serious.. I really want to know
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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In my particular case, the one and only reason is that it passes unnoticed, or I am already engaged in another one. Somebody asked for a special colour for mission announcements. I strongly support this.
Cheers,
Pepe
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Same here, usually someone pops the "I have a Mission Up" questions just as I've leveled the Lancaster to 22,000 feet. And as y'all know, that screamer of a bomber just jumps to altitude, yes? (No! Hehe..takes 30 minutes or more!)
Or...if I do join, there isn't enough people in there to make it worth while.
You're right, when you get a bunch of folks into a mission, and they stick to it, its amazing. I was flying with Knights a few weeks back and we steamrollered several bases in that fashion. Really pretty for shoulder-surfers to watch too.
Paul
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First flight Summer of 2001 (we hope!)
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First simple reason: TIME.
Second simple reason: Someone's misson may not interest me.
-Westy
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My schedule prevents me from joining. I am generally not on at the right time or for a long enough time to even complete one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Mav
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2 Reasons : I'm cruising somewhere already, or just sometimes I log on for 20-30 mnutes break, I then have no time for Mission.
they usualy are a blast tho (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Saw
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I've said it before, and say it again:
- Sometimes I have only a small amount of time.
- Sometimes I see an immediate need that must be covered before another (yes, if in my ignorance I think keeping a particular base alive is necessary, I will try)
- The person posting the mission becomes irate and obnoxious about what I am doing, and says "why won't you do something worthwhile?"
- I'm currently engaged in an absorbing session of what I like to call "fun", and the rest of the MA means nothing to me.
While you state that with teamwork you can accomplish more than alone, and you may be right by your way of thinking, it can completely go against my idea or time restraint. I don't necessarily need someone telling me what how to have fun, or even that I am not having fun. That is perhaps my biggest gripe about the whole "strat-only" argument.
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I have no problem with people getting their fun their own way in the MA. If ya wanna furball.....then by all means, furball. The thing that pisses me off is hearing people squeak about a lack of coordination while we are being rolled up, and then when you post a mission to stop the bleeding and try to slow the advance of the enemy, nobody joins.
If ya wanna furball and have fun, then do it. But dont start complaining when we are down to 3 bases and have no radar and all of our factories are dead.
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Originally posted by Saintaw:
2 Reasons : I'm cruising somewhere already, or just sometimes I log on for 20-30 mnutes break, I then have no time for Mission.
they usualy are a blast tho (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Saw
Same here.
I saw Kieren's post also and would have to say I agree on the defense part. There are sometimes that I find myself in a position to be the only, or one of the few that are defending an air or vehicle base. I get the most enjoyment out of the game when I know that I am being a huge thorn in someone’s side. I can just imagine the radio chatter… “Will someone please kill that guy, damn it’s just one guy”. Now insert hysterical laughter on my end. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I do enjoy seeing all the yellow nametags in the air headed for a target and being part of it. I suppose a suggestion would be adding the ability to join missions in flight that would log as a successful landing. Criteria would have to be that a mission exists, of course, and I would also think the damage level on your ride be at zero. The later to stop my opponent from leaving my sights after I have the better of em. Just a thought.
Zippatuh
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I think you all missed the point. I realize time is an issue with some. I realize some may already be in flight somewhere. If it doesn't intrest you.. well that's ok too.
BTW: I for one announce my mission postings several times on country channel in ALL CAPS. I even explain target and objectives... I doubt anyone misses my announcements.
What I am talking about is those that DO have time and are (for lack of a better word) TRYING to capture a field or sink a CV or destroy a factory, etc.
Why do those people continue to aimlessly fly into a hot engagement zone, one at a time, like lambs to the slaughter?
EXAMPLE: CV IS OFF THE COAST
Countless TBMs, JU88s and PT Boats head out in an effort to kill the CV. As each of them comes into range one-by-one, they are picked off by 5" guns, other PT boats and nearby fighters, one-by-one.
If there is a posted Mission with the Objective being to sink that CV, why not join it? Then you will be flying/driving in to target with (let's say around 10) other players, all with the same goal. Sure, some will be killed, but success is much more probable.
The other day I posted a mission to capture a small field. About 60% of the available spots were filled. From mission launce to field capture was about 8 minutes (That's how long the flight took for the C-47)
We did come against opposition, but we were coordinated in the effort. ALL the bombers got there at the same time and had assigned targets that were all leveled in less than 3 minutes of their arrival. Fighters had bombs and rockets and took out small field supports than climbed back to altitiude for cover. C-47 showed up a few minutes later and the field was ours. Quick, easy and practical.
In un-coordinated efforts, we end up fighting the same field for hours while scattered bombers hit various hangers and AA. A lone goon comes in and gets shot up at the last second, or the AA or VH comes back up or whatever. Sure, eventually one of the countries gets lucky and wins the battle. But the furball remains or just moves by one field.
Some of you will say I am whining and some of you will say I'm a dweeb. I know some of you think the same as I do. Too bad we are the minority.
You see my point?
Add to the poll question... If there were personal tangiable rewards for mission participation (such as addiditonal perk points) would this influence your decision to join or not?
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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Originally posted by Kieren:
I've said it before, and say it again:
- Sometimes I see an immediate need that must be covered before another (yes, if in my ignorance I think keeping a particular base alive is necessary, I will try)
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I know your thoughts here Kieren. When your on defensive, that's what you need to do. However, If the attacking country was coming in as a planned mission... you would be outnumbered and outgunned. The base would fall and would be captured. When they come in alone and scattered, you can defend. All at once... good luck (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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In un-coordinated efforts, we end up fighting the same field for hours while scattered bombers hit various hangers and AA. A lone goon comes in and gets shot up at the last second, or the AA or VH comes back up or whatever. Sure, eventually one of the countries gets lucky and wins the battle. But the furball remains or just moves by one field.
NOW yer talkin'! Where is this mission? I'll sign up!
I understand what you are saying, but try to understand this; I enjoy the scenario above more than any situation I can think of, regardless of the side I am on. I have been on missions enough for now, and may do so again occasionally. What I learned from all that mission-oriented-only flying was that I closed doors rather than opened them- I had squeezed all the fun out of the game in order to be "more realistic". I think I agree with Lazs, fighting over the worthless pieces of digital dirt holds no real interest to me, it is the fight that does it. To each his own.
Seriously, for this point in my life furball is much easier to deal with, and it is fun to me.
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Sling? <shakes head> Did you really think about what you wrote before putting it into text? I'm a bit puzzled, to say the least, that you attribute that behavior, you wrote about, to "furballers." Because you're very wrong. These folks who you call "furballers", the people who you say complain openly about lack of organisation or being down to three bases, are actually the "land grab" aka "play war" folks. A "furballer" type could really care less if there is an organized offense or defense needed anywhere. And the same goes when there are ony three bases left. Because three bases left is a furballers delight due to the guarantee that the action will close and heavy!
See? IT's like this in reality. The "Land grab/War player" are the squeakiest lot of all players but there is still yet another squeaky subgroup who amazingly manage to squeak even more than those that squeak almost the most about people not playing thier way in that they aren't playing thier way good enough too!
They extend and escalate the squeaking, that begins with there are not enough participating in missions or thier way of play is the right way and stop fuyrballing. Tthat folks are failing to defend the Mother/Father land from the infidel hordes. No, not enough. They push the ceiling on squeaking even futher. They berate their fellow squeaking brethren for not being organised enough, not dropping troops squeakingly correct or by not keeping the cap where it squeaky belongs,,,,,, you get the
picture? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Dr Ruth Westyheimer
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"I for one announce my mission postings several times on country channel in ALL CAPS. I even explain target and objectives... I doubt anyone misses my announcements."
Midnight, sometimes it just takes time to earn a rep for being a good mission maker. Sometimes there are too many missions ongoing. And since I don't see them or thier frequency it may be you're not plannign the mission people like to take part in. Maybe not enough variety on planes, maybe too many bombers or too many fighters, or not enough of either. Perhaps they take too long due to the need to grab alot of alt or launch from a very rearward base.
I'm only guessing and trying to offer positive feedback.
-Westy
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There needs to be a Free-For-All arena so all you furballing types can fly around and around in circles all night shooting each other down every 30 seconds. That would be the simple solution to the problem. I guess I just like to use my brain too much trying to combine some <G.W.Bush voice> "strategery" </Bush voice> with the flying portion of the game. Just make a simple arena with 2 invulnerable airfields and no teams, then the furballers can have their fun and not piss off the folks who want to play for a purpose.
btw, I join almost every mission posted. They are the best part of the game IMO.
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 02-01-2001).]
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Hiya Midnight.
Actually, I was online last night when you posted the mission... I thought "oh boy, a mission". I checked into the maproom to learn more.
Personally, I'm really tired of the planesets in the typical missions... it's always p-51s, Chogs, etc. Just once I'd like to see P-38s, Typhoons... something other than the usual.
So I decided to furball instead, in planes that I prefer to fly.
Otherwise, I love to join missions.
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What burns me up is when we got a mission in the planner, you announce it, people join, 5 minutes before roll time some dorks start attacking the field your mission is headed to, throwing the whole mission out of sync, and dangerously shrinking the fields "goon ready" time window.
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"furballers can have their fun and not piss off the folks who want to play for a purpose."
That's IT Raubvogel!!! Thank you!
See. the folks who furball are NOT pissing anyone off. The folks getting pissed off are pissing themselves off.
And folks who choose to furball are not less intellegent, less enthusiastic or less caring. They are a little less anal, less frustrated and a hellof alot less Napoleonic for sure.
My time, my money, my own fun.
If you sTRAGEDY types don't like that? Well, (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) good!! It's partial payback for all the channel two drivel that everyone has to endure.
-Westy (independant and proud of it!)
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Westy, if you're going to quote me, at least use the whole sentence.
"Just make a simple arena with 2 invulnerable airfields and no teams, then the furballers can have their fun and not piss off the folks who want to play for a purpose."
I'd like to see a Free For All arena just to keep the squeaking down in the MA. Hell, make it a spawn in the air arena with unlimited ammo and fuel. Then the furballers could REALLY have fun. lol
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LJK_Raubvogel
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 02-01-2001).]
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I try to join as much missions as I can.
However, sometimes people put up missions that are extremely ridiculous imho. A few nights ago A10 and A9 were under serious attack, and someone posted up a mission to attack A1!! For crying out loud!
The person making the mission is another factor. I will rarely join a mission made by someone I dont know. Why? Because in most cases those missions are so ill planned or so full of inexperienced pilots that it is doomed to become yet another furball. Time and manpower wasted.
Last version ZIGRAT did so many missions and so great that people FLOCKED to them. We knew they were strategically wise missions as well as effective. Now I see missions by Unknown Newbie screaming for people to join his 3 b-26 and 2 pony "mission to take A1" (with no goon or jabo included in the mission).
I do agree that mission anouncements should be in a different color, many times im dogfighting and miss the announcement.Perhaps a bright pink text would help (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Raub-
This is the last time (today (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)) I respond to this type of thinking- you know, "we need a separate arena so you guys that don't play the way we (strat) want won't piss us off" and the lovely allusion to intelligence associated with the type of play you find undesireable...
I don't care how you play, please don't care how I play. I thought this thread sought to understand why people don't elect to fly missions, and I answered. If you want to think you're smarter or somehow intellectually elevated because you play to save your virtual life, go for it.
BTW, I don't sport too bad a k/d ratio for a mindless furballer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Raubvogel, even the full quote doesn't change anything. Nothing at all so I kept it to the meat and potatoes of your point that you wrote.
"I'd like to see a Free For All arena just to keep the squeaking down in the MA"
The furballers are NOT squeaking online. Can't you see that? Even if furballing was outlawed by the minority, the AcesHigh Inquisition, and had all been converted or killed there would STILL be a huge amount of squeaking on channel two! squeaking because the land grab/war playing type has this fundamental need to just plain old squeak. They'll squeak at each other that the focus isn't where they deem it should be. They squeak that the wrong place is being attended to. They'll squeak and argue about being defensive versus offensive. They'll squeak, lambaste and outright verbally assault the new guy who accidentally botched a bomb run or troop drop. They will just squeak, squeak, squeak...
Remove the furballer and the squeak quotient will not drop. Howver, remove the "land grab/war player" and I guarantee the squeak drop will literally disappear because the source will be gone.
-Westy
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Westy...where exactly did I say that the furballers were the ones squeaking? You have a talent for extrapolating toejam that was never written.
Kieren, furballers don't piss ME off. I could care less. Hell, they give me something to do on the way home if I haven't found anything. My only gripe are the folks who will allow their country to lose 4 airfields while they keep furballing at A1 with no apparent purpose in mind. You can furball and still help out your country's defense/attack.
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 02-01-2001).]
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Midnight, I posted my response in the Gameplay forum, under "Missions and flying them" post.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-01-2001).]
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<sigh> Raub, you said furballers can "not piss off" folks by playing your way and Sling talked about land grabbers "squeaking" and Furballers "complaining" It's all the same thing. I'm not extrapolating anything far fetched here at all. You appear to be wanting to play semantics though.
-Westy
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Ok, I'm not interested in any mission since they tend to want to overwhelm something and there is very little actual fighting. I am not interested in finding a non-fight.
raub... you don't get it. people go to the action. Any arena will generate furballs. What is needed is an HA arena for the few who enjoy hiding from each other for hours at a time. The regular MA will suffice for us "furballers".
lazs
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Furballing is like mozarella sticks or hot wings with a lot of beer. A lot of fun to eat, especially after 7 or 8 beers and you're with your buddies.
Strat is like a fancy steak dinner at an expensive steak house with a really hot chick. You don't want to do it too much cuz it costs a toejamload, and it gets dull (lack of beer) real quick.
-SW
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Midnight.
this is a survey not a poll.
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Originally posted by lazs:
Ok, I'm not interested in any mission since they tend to want to overwhelm something and there is very little actual fighting. I am not interested in finding a non-fight.
raub... you don't get it. people go to the action. Any arena will generate furballs. What is needed is an HA arena for the few who enjoy hiding from each other for hours at a time. The regular MA will suffice for us "furballers".
lazs
Actually lazs, I do get it. That's why I suggested that they have a separate arena without any strat targets or strategic purpose at all. That would ensure that no one would spoil your "fun."
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 02-01-2001).]
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That's good enough for a sig file!
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"What is needed is an HA arena for the few who enjoy hiding from each other for hours at a time." Lazs
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I dont join em, cause when im on no-one makes any. The other reason i dont 'join' em is cause i create them and are part of it from the onset.
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[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 02-01-2001).]
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I found in a way reputation of the misison poster is important.
when i first came back to acves high after hiatus, i had a different handle for 2 days. i tried posting missions but no one would join.
then i get ronni to switch me back to zigrat. viola, full missions.
thanks for your vote of confidence rooks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I join missions if:
1)I'm going to be on long enough.(Sometimes only on for 1/2 hour or so)
2)If there is time to achieve our goal.(going after a CV but having it killed before we get there)
3)If the goal helps my side.(attacking a base deep into enemy territory just for the hell of it)
4)If the person making the mission isn't a dick.(Some guys will yell and scream at you if you don't join their missions)
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"That would ensure that no one would spoil your "fun.""
??? No one is spoiling the Furballers fun. Well, except the simpelton bomber "pilot" who flattens the fh's on a base with no intent to capture nor hinder resistance to a neighboring offensive. (cough... A25 and A45 at 7pm est last night..cough). Need practice? That's what the rear bases and offline are for.
But furballers do constantly have to hear, in the ubb and more so online, that they are ruining others fun because they choose to furball. That furballers are not playing the "right" way and that in the end ruins the land-grab/"war" players version of "fun."
I feel if anyone thinks they have to change the current MA game-play that they are indeed the ones who need a small gerbil whee___, er, seperate arena for the land-grab/ "war" play.
-Westy
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Westy - You and I are a lot closer to agreeing on this issue than you think...you just misunderstood who I was directing my comments at. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I wasnt directing my comments to the "furballers"....it was more directed to the strat-minded folks that like to squeak when we are getting rolled up, but you cant get them to coordinate in a mission. I used to be one of those "Amish" that lazs likes to refer to who was only interested in the strat war. The addition of the F6F has changed that for me. I love to go furballing as much as the next guy now....its just that I am not so good at it yet. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
So...this one's for you lazs:
"Hi, my name is Sling....and I am a furballer."
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Originally posted by Westy:
Well, except the simpelton bomber "pilot" who flattens the fh's on a base with no intent to capture nor hinder resistance to a neighboring offensive. (cough... A25 and A45 at 7pm est last night..cough). Need practice? That's what the rear bases and offline are for.
I feel if anyone thinks they have to change the current MA game-play that they are indeed the ones who need a small gerbil whee___, er, seperate arena for the land-grab/ "war" play.
-Westy
"simpleton" bomber pilot? So, basically, you feel that bombers play no part in your concept of the game? Also, all that annoying strategy stuff must get in your way. So, why not have a separate arena with no bombers, no gv's, and absolutely no strategy targets. Then you could go around in circles all day and have fun, leaving the MA for those "strategy guys." This will be my last post on this, because you just like to argue for the point of arguing Westy.
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[This message has been edited by LJK Raubvogel (edited 02-01-2001).]
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""simpleton" bomber pilot? So, basically, you feel that bombers play no part in your concept of the game?
No. The "simpleton bomber" pilots are the lowest form of MA life, imo. They raid and pork bases to see things go "boOom." They're usualy at 25-30k, not a c47 or M3 in sight and no plan to do anything but hit a base. No skill, no nads players. Often seen in solo Panzers attacking a base by themselves too.
Also, all that annoying strategy stuff must get in your way.
Actually (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) it doesn't. I don't mind it at all. Bombers and base attacks are the bait. They are the honey that draws the flies. They bring the enemy defense, I bring fighter, we furball, twisty turney dance in the sky, we die. Ugh oomgowa. What irritates me, and not just a few others I've noted, is the online whiners who clog the channel so bad at times kicking thier feat and having a tantrum that people have having fun fuyrballing, fun not thier own, elsewhere. It gets hard to compliment another friendlies kill, tell him to check six or ask him if he/she can id the dot near them. However you'll not see furballers spam the country channel yelling out, "HEY Why are you idiots playing WAR at A19 when we need furballers at A1!!"
So, why not have a separate arena with no bombers, no gv's, and absolutely no strategy targets. Then you could go around in circles all day and have fun, leaving the MA for those "strategy guys."
See above. Your actions are useful to a furballer. But if there were not any of that, we'd still have furballing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) It's attitudes and opinions like yours that I do not welcome in the MA and that I staunchly disagree with.
This will be my last post on this...
No it won't.
because you just like to argue for the point of arguing Westy
Am not.
-Westy
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Back in tours 9 and 10 I only once saw a call for a mission editor mission. I don't think that many people have the patience to wait for a mission to develop. There is also some learning time involved with using the mission planner/editor and although I believe it is a valid tool I never took time to study it and try it. The closest I came to being on a mission was in the beta 'canyon lands' terrain where I would occassionally join a small raiding party in ground vehicles to capture a base. Also, some folks who new each other would go off on a secret channel as well and do there own thing which cuts out some people who might be interested in helping etc.. I also think that perk points are probably having and influence in the MA.
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I am not saying that anyone should play "my" way. If you want to spin around and around, hour after hour, go right ahead. I am glad that you do. It helps me win.
You see, I would like to clarify some things.
- Most times I post missions that have a definite plan with all required elements, including bombers, JaBo fighters, C47s and primary escorts. I list as much detail as possible in the small description fields AH gives us. I know strat and I know my profiles work when the support is there.
- I don't know what my reputation is in AH. I try to be a team player and show respect to freind and foe alike.
- I post missions that are quick runs, usually to take less than 10 minutes travel time to target and away from the main concentration of "furballers" It makes it easier to capture/destroy a target when there is a big fight somewhere else.
- To those of you who don't like the selected planeset, just say so to the mission planner. I have no problem changing or adding a flight if someone wants to join.
- Not a Poll, It's a Survey (TECHNICALLITY)
- I don't squeak or whine about newbies in my missions. I am glad to have them onboard because they can learn from the experienced guys. Also, I add extra slots in each flight to allow for some "slop" to occur.
Anyway, don't classify everyone who likes some strategy or purpose into a "squeaking" category.
How many of you "furballer" types squeak about the planeset and the historical uses of certain planes? If your going to just furball.. hmm.. shutup about who flies what.
Lastly.. You furballers keep on going. Like I said, the more that furball is the less I have to worry about when I am en-route to target and more I have to shoot at on the way home.
<SALUTE ALL>
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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Number one reason for not joining mission is "no LW planes".
Number two: put together by some newbie.
Zigrat was/is great at putting together missions, Ripsnort as well. These guys I know create fun stuff.
Third reason: numbers. Sometimes, there's just too many to make the capture any real challenge, other than hoping some P-51 dashing for the goon won't get it.
But missions are fun.
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"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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I don't join missions because I'm a BISHOP! We don't DO organized stuff! You want that cr*p, go be knight or something!
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Just kidding..everybody chill!
I join IF:
1.I'm going to be on long enough.
2. The mission isn't going to take 15 minutes to launch.
3. It looks like it has a reasonable chance of accomplishing the goals.
4. If it is germane to what's happening in the arena.
5. I'll fly buffs or some fighters or C-47's.
Biggest turn-offs? Well, Hugh, nose hair, body odor...wait, wrong thread.
I won't join if the leader is a screamer. "Join my mission, join my mission" endlessly on CH2 is not a positive.
I won't join if the goal is moronic. The home island is 3/4 lost and some guy wants to go take out the attackers radar. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
lately, I've taken to squelching the repetitive types. Just gets tiresome.
Furball? Sure. Mission? Sure. Just depends on the night.
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I'd be willing to bet the majority of those that don't ever join missions don't read the BB (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SKurj
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Most of the time, I find out when the mission starts and what the target is. Then I head to the field they're launching from and take off with them.
The reason I don't like to join on the planner is because of the strange loud-outs I often see.
For example Midnight (since you asked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )- two nights ago I joined one of yers and we put down the ack at an enemy field just moments before <huh??> I ran outta fuel and had to land there. The next time I upped I looked at my guage and it was set to 75%. Not enough for a sector and a half commute plus CAP. Plus the 500's I was given didnt do squat to the VH.
I'm familiar with my ride... so once I know what sort of role I'll be in, I'd rather load it out to what I'm comfortable with.
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Well I don't cause I am a newbie. When I feel comfortable in AH and the MA arena then I may start joining. I am about putting the best players up to get a goal accomplished and I will gladly aid assistance=be a target...lol If it helps the goons and buffs do their mission.
There are times though that I want a dogfight duel to the death. I need more of these at the moment cause I am learning the AH flight model and intricacies of each plane.
So I am tempted to join missions when I see them but at the moment do not feel qualified.
HARD_SCOUT
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Originally posted by Nash:
The reason I don't like to join on the planner is because of the strange loud-outs I often see.
For example Midnight (since you asked (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )- two nights ago I joined one of yers and we put down the ack at an enemy field just moments before <huh??> I ran outta fuel and had to land there. The next time I upped I looked at my guage and it was set to 75%. Not enough for a sector and a half commute plus CAP. Plus the 500's I was given didnt do squat to the VH.
Nash.. I assume you are talking about your selection of F4UC? I am sorry about the fuel shortage, I don't fly that bird and don't know it's range. I figured 75% for a 45 mile flight was more than enough.
That information is posted on the flight info. If it was not good, you shold have told me. I would have changed it.
Originally posted by Toad:
2. The mission isn't going to take 15 minutes to launch.
I always put the mission launch time out to around 10-15 minutes in order to get recruits. If enough join up prior to advertised launch, I move up the time to get the mission off the ground ASAP.
Of course, having no breifing time is part of the problem. Once the mission starts, everyone who jumped on at the last second need to be breifed in flight.
Originally posted by Toad:
I won't join if the leader is a screamer. "Join my mission, join my mission" endlessly on CH2 is not a positive.
How else is someone to get recruits? There is no other way to let countrymates know there is a mission up. Maybe if the clipboard showed posted missions as one of it's main features, saying MISSION POSTED on channel 2 wouldn't be required.
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"Wing up, Get kills, Be happy"
Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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I dont join the missions all the time because i dont like the planes that are in it. most of the time that i see the plane choices are the 51 and the hog neither one i like to fly. i would love to see some missions where there are yaks 109 or tiffys. i would even fly the zeke on a mission. all of these have there uses and would be great for missions.
Trell
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I agree with trell here..
Not all missions are suited to everyones taste or amount of time online to complete a mission. Still the best tactic ive found for field capture is sneak captures. 1 Lancaster, 1 heavy fighter and 1 c47..
Dog out...........
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I join missions whenever time allows, but being a student, time rarely does. Sometimes it's nice when the mission simply is: "Ok guys, lets go for A6..." Very loose, but very fun, and there's still that team effort.
A squad is a great outlet for flying missions. You have guys you like to fly with, and know that they'll be on, so you throw the mission on the board, if anyone else wants to join, great! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
...by the way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)...if anyone is looking for a squad that flies buff missions, check out the 576th... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
<S>IC
Iculus CO
576(Bomber) Sqn-RAF
(http://home.earthlink.net/~ryanridge/5765.jpg)
ryanridge@earthlink.net
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A small perk bonus would be a good incentive to flying missions.
Actually, what would be cool is if everyone in a mission got a bonus based on a percentage of the entire mission's average perk point score.
For example, let's assign a 10% bonus.
Pilot one earns 3 perk points.
Pilot two earns 5 perk points.
Pilot three earns 4 perk points
Pilot four earns 0 perk points.
The perk point average would then be 3, so each player would get a .3 perk point bonus after the last person in the mission is killed or lands with a final perk point total.
HTC could obviously vary the perk percentages to balance things, or even have different bonuses based on the mission size or composition. A mission with planes AND vehicles might get a higher perk bonus, and very large missions might also rate higher bonuses. Since the bonus would be based on the results of actual participation, teamwork and skillful execution would naturally result in a correspondingly higher bonus award. Players could also end up receiving bonus bomber perk points after a fighter mission if a bomber was part of the mission.
I hope someone from HTC reads this far down in the thread past the flames. I guess it would require a bunch more host code and tracking of mission data, but it sure would encourage some measure of organization.
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eagl <squealing Pigs> BYA
Oink Oink To War!!!
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So lazs, I take it you would support a change to the MA to make it 10k airstart, unlimited fuel and unlimited ammo?
After all, that sounds just PERFECT for a furball arena (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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westy has expressed my thoughts exactly and has also proven that no matter how simply you put or how obvious the facts are.... the Amish refuse or are unable to get it.
jekl.. there is nothing wrong with the arena as is. The "furballers' are not the idiots that are going on and on about "waaaaa people aren't playing the way I like to play". IF I were to change anything it would be to have "areas" in the arena. An early war "area" in say, the canyon part, would make a whole lot more sense than the convoluted, anal, quake "perk" idea.
so far as 10 k starts go... try 20k, that would help the "mission oriented" more than anyone else. You may even be able to get people to join your stupid hide and seek crap if they could escort/attack large4 formations.
Westy is of course correct about the bombers in AH.... tits on a boar for the scope of this sim and simply guarenteed to ruin the fun of the guys in the fighter war. They have been comprimised to death for the simple reason that.... Who knows? I suppose to be able to claim that they are available.
Giving perk points to guys that fly "missions" Makes sense.... only cowardly anal retentive buffoons would like to have perk planes anyway so why not "reward" them with even more opportunity to be anal and organized? Is organized a desirable trait in a game of this scope? not in my book.
It boils down to... There are those who want more action and those who want less. They both have their reasons. Their reasons make no sense to each other.
lazs
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Ummm i posted the diea of the perk bonus for mission a LONGGGG time ago..... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Everyone agreed on it.
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laz
why do you have to be so close-minded? What gives you the idea that people that want to fly bombers and planned missions are trying to hide from each other? The whole purpose is to fly to a target and kill it. If you furballers pulled your heads out of the guys bellybutton in front of you, there would be a chance for you to defend your target and get lots of kills.
What do you think the real war was? If they were all out there trying to "hide" from each other, there would have been a lot less destruction.
You make no sense anyway. There is no point in a fighter only war. Especially in this sim. No resources get depleted and nothing would ever change. Go play Crimson Skies or Quake.
I said before, you're a coward because if you had it your way, you would be shooting down freindly bombers that were going to actually fight a war. I'm glad there is a kill shooter. People like you is the reason we have it.
Well, that's about all I can say without getting nasty. Have fun chasing your tail all day.
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Midnight
13th TAS
"I see you have made your decision. Now let's see you enforce it." -Brandon Lee (The Crow)
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LOL midnight... Guess if my ride of choice was a P51 I wouldn't want anything in the arena that may result in a real fight either.
Look... get it through your head... the arena is NOT the "real war". Real war is mostly boring, unbalanced, unfair, and not fun. I don't believe that most are here to re-create war. I'm very sure that you do not want to create "realistic" air combat with all it's problems... No, what you want is just the "right" amount of realism.... the amount that gives the advantage to your plane/flying style. Try flying a plane with more vitues than speed for a tour or two.... loosen up.
As for "chasing my tail"... Why? I'm here for the fights. If I overwhelm a "base" so what? they in no way resemble any "base" in WWII and their destruction is of no real purpose. Since there is no purpose to any aspect of the game.... I will do the purposless things that are action filled and fun and I will try to beat down the Amish weenies like yourself that constantly look for a way to make things dull.
as for "quake" what is more "powerup" than earning "perk" points so that you can get an invulnerability vest or rocket pack or weapons upgrade? I submit that the cowardice of the Amish is the reason that they embrace the idiotic "perk" system over more fair ways to introduce new planes.
Don't get me started on bombers in a tiny little arena.
lazs
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Hey, hey, HEY!
Against my better judgement I chase tail in a P-51. Quite fun, too. People thinking you can't turnfight them often find out you can quite nicely. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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kieren... understood... When i fly one of the things I start out thinking I'll fly it smart but allways give in to my base nature. There are no set standards... I was generalizing. Pretty accurately tho if I do say so myself.
lazs
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Yep, If there is nobody online that seems interested in doing anything organized, which is most of the time, or if the arena is too crowded I just leave and go to h2h or TA . Sometimes I wonder if it's worth keeping an account .
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Then take the lead Suave and do it. It sounds like you're looking for it and when it's not handed to you off you go. Better yet, join a squad that does like-wise things or the best idea yet is create a squad. there seems to be enough folks who prefer the land grab/play war thing that you shoudl have no problem joining up togther.
That could also satisfy some peoples need to constantly tell folks what to do and get the job done!
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Well first of all I'm no realestate dweeb . Anyone that knows me will tell you that. I do however like to employ unit tactics . And I do take the lead, I spend alot of time sitting in the tower waiting for people to join my missions, trouble is nobody does . But I don't rant about it, I just usually say "well guys this sucks, I'm off to h2h or TA" on squad or country channel .