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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sturm on April 15, 2001, 01:23:00 PM
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Well first off it will look beautiful, second how many will actually fly it after a couple weeks? Granted I think the 202 and 205 are gorgeous but I don't fly them that much. Main reason? They are not competitive with the late war planes we have flying out there now. What we are getting is not a screamer, nor is it a good climber, and it isn't even that good of a turner. And if they add the 151/20 on there it really will be lacking in the hitting department.
So we ask ourselves is the 61 really what we want? Maybe for historical purposes it is being added, I dunno but I think if any JP would have been added it should have been the KI-84 series or the Jack. This is by no means a flame just my thoughts. Once the newness has worn off it won't be flown much, but we won't know that until it is out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.
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it doesnt matter if we wanted it or not.
and...some folks actually apreciate a company that is in a continuous improvement mode.
sturm..smile and have fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I would expect people will be flying the Ki-61 for the same reasons peoply fly the 205, spit 5 and 109 g2. Some people have connections to these planes, some people have always loved these planes, or some people just find it fun as hell to take an underdog up and kick some uber chog bellybutton (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
-AKHog
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dont forget the P47 Hog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I would have much rather have seen the KI-84 also. However if you look back through the posts you will see a lot of people asked for KI-61. I'm just glad to see some Japanese planes are finely being built.
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Not saying I won't fly it, I think in the future of whats ahead. I do really appreciate that they add a lot of things, but this one just didn't seem right to me with the current trend towards late war planes.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.
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Gee...
Maybe the trend is towards earlier planes now? Because it has to happen sometime?
No, that couldn't possibly be it. Sorry I mentioned it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I would take on any 190 or 109 in the 205. I love that bird, I just wish she had a drop tank!
Nimitz
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If it's unpopular I'm going to fly it and I know there are other people out there like me. (http://www.ihs4ever.com/~cwm/cwm/cwm/eek7.gif)
Cut n Pasted from another thread:
Don't even have the planes yet and already people are whining about how they are under-used and a worthless investment.
(http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/funny/pityfool.gif)
Bunch of freaking 3rd eye doom sayers. (people that can see the future for those of you not in the know)
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-SW
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I agree with Sturm, it is a cool plane no doubt, historically important,and a dangerous adversary for any mid war scenario, but it will kind of suck in the late war MA setting we have, do to the reasons Sturm stated, not a good turner, not fast and , if they add the MG 151/20 option than it will be under gunned compared to the HO 5 model.
Just kind of curious why they added this plane now for Japan when they could of added the Ki 100 or the Ki 84, the jack or even the ki 44, would of given the Japanese a better more usable addation to the MA.
The Tony modeled is beautiful, though, and I do look forward to trying it, and I am happy they are finally adding another Japanese plane.
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-15-2001).]
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The Ki-61-I-KAIc shown in the screenshots should have 2 Ho-5 20 mm sychronized cannons in the upper fuselage (120 rounds per gun), not the LW 151/20s.
Kekule
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One of the reasons it may have been added (a guess on my part, but an educated one) is that some weeks back Pyro asked the CM-squad for a list of planes they'd like to see soon for scenario purposes. I don't remember the exact contents of that list, but I believe the KI-61 was on it. The KI was a dominent figure in the South Pacific from mid-'43 on. While a maintenance nightmare for the JAAF, it was a rude surprise to the Allies when it flew (and was flown correctly). The only land-based plane the Allied had in any numbers in the Solomons or New Guinea that came close in performance was the P-38. The Navy's F6F could give it a hard time, but remember that in '43 the US was down to one carrier for the better part of the year.
My own nomination to the list was the P-40N, which I would fly without hesitation in the MA. As a furballer, it would do nicely, and it was an incredibly stable gun platform. The Razor-back P-47 was also requested as a plane for the 1943 scenario genre. It was the mainstay for the USAAF's 8th AF units until the P-51 came along. Both these new A/C will see some following in the MA, I think. When WB added the KI-61 for their New Guinea 1943 scenario, I took it up regularly in the WB MA. I did quite well with it.
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Sabre (a.k.a. Rojo)
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people will fly the ki61 a lot
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If you never add anything except 1945 superplanes I guess nothing will ever change will it? I think the Ki-61 is a fine choice, about time too.
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Squadron Leader Taur
416 Squadron RCAF "The Lynx" (http://416rcaf.org/index.html)
"Ad Saltum Paratus"
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Originally posted by Citabria:
people will fly the ki61 a lot
people forget or dont know that the ki61 we are getting was basicly a 109, made by japan, with slight changes. hehe it should preform about like a g2 or g6 maybe a g6/g10 cross. Ki84 will be a nitemare in MA when it arrives. u think the niki is bad, Ki84 is even worse.
whels
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We shall see how it performs, from what I remember everyone telling me wasn't the 205 neutered? What we are getting in the 61 is a slower plane then the N1k, turns slower, climbs a lot sloweras well. People will fly it a lot because it is new, I do agree with adding early war planes and not just 1944-45 planes. But this is one I would not have added, there are several other early war planes that could compete in the MA as is.
Mig-3
F4U-1a
P-47C
A-36A I like this one
P-40N
P-63 or even the P-39
yak-3
LaGG-3
Pick a Spit
Hurricane
Mosquito's!
Beaufighter!
Fiat G-55 yes please
Ar-240 my favorite
Ta-154
He-100
HS-129
JU-87
JU-188
JU-88 G series (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ME-110
ME-410
Reggiane 2005 YES PLEASE!
Aichi B7A
KI-45
Zero later models
J2M1-7
Ki-46
J1N1
Ki-44 IIC
Ki-43 III
D4Y2
B-24
Do-17 or 217
A-20
A-26
Halifax
FW-200
HE-177
Il-2
PE-2 or 3
B-34 ventura series
G4M series
B-25 series
Pe-8
Stirling
Tu-2 oh yes please
These are just a few from teh early to mid war period that we could have used all of which I would have loved to have seen. So you see there are others out there even for JP they could have chosen. Just my .02 worth.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.
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The ONLY thing the Ki-61 and Bf 109 have in common is the engine, the Japanese fighter using the Ha-40, a license built DB 601A(same engine as used in Bf 109E-4 and MC.202). Otherwise, the two designs couldn't be any more different.
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Originally posted by brady:
Just kind of curious why they added this plane now for Japan when they could of added the Ki 100 or the Ki 84, the jack or even the ki 44, would of given the Japanese a better more usable addation to the MA.
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How do you know they AREN'T adding the Ki-100 and Ki-84 TOO in 1.07?
People are acting like these screenshots are the only two new planes in 1.07 and complaining how they added the Razorback or 61 instead of (insert plane here) when there are probably 3-5 more planes to be announced.
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Torgo, they are just not happy unless they are complaing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Wrong answer Toad I am very happy with this game, I just voiced my opinion on the Ki-61 introduction. Percieve it however you want to.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
Campaigning for the rights of the ME-410.
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Gents I love this game, I am also aware that the game gods must spend precious time making these planes for us to fly around in, So I was wondering why they spent time on the ki 61 when they could of been making me Randy....
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 04-15-2001).]
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Hm, I think both the g2 and the c205 are potent planes.
granted, if I met cit or hblair or ziggy or any other experten in a g10 vs my g2, I'd lose, but I'd be in dire straits no matter what plane I'd bring.
So keep more mid war planes coming HTC! Commendable (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Any new airplane is welcome.
But I hope that in the 1.07 there are also new bombardiers !
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Hm, I think both the g2 and the c205 are potent planes.
Except that the Ki-61 has performance which is like a MC.202 using military power. Ie; 368mph at 16k, and reaching 16.4k in 5.5 minutes. At least it's guns should be better than the crappy Italian peashooters. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Ki-61-Ia:
Two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon in wings
(German supplied)
Two 7.7mm machine guns above engines
Ki-61-Id:
Two 30mm cannon in wings
Two 7.7mm machine guns above engines
Ki-61-IIb:
Four 20mm Ho-5 cannon in wings
Anyone know which varient we're getting?
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Ki-61-Id, aka Ki-61-I-KAIc: 2x20mm Ho-5 in nose, 2x12.7mm Ho-103 in wings. Wing pylons for drop tanks or 250kg bombs.
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Those of you who think that the KI-61 isn't a good turner are in for a big surprise. Old WB vets will recall that. The KI-61 could dive and turn well - better than comtemporary 109s (due to a different wing), if not quite as fast. I think that there will be plenty of people flying it. It will either have 4X.50s oe 2X20mms + 2X.50s. Those of us that are fond of the p51B know that 4X.50s can get the job done in fighter-vs-fighter work.
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Fluffy its all about modeling, read the reports on the 61 and then you will no where we are coming from.
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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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