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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Kieran on January 21, 2002, 10:27:42 PM
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One captured Fairmile with 2 occupants successfully captured a city (Dover!), and as a result panzers and troops could spawn. The island will fall shortly, and the game is now without one more player.
An idiotic game concession (enabled to cover a lie placed on the box) is now responsible for a cheap tactic that completely destroys any suspension of disbelief for me. Evaluation over, CRS can sink with their captured Fairmiles as far as I'm concerned.
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How long exactly has it taken you to realise CRS suck? :)
[No offence :)]
Steely
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Whine has been recorded.
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u think thats bad 4 dudes on the axis side were talkin (dunno if its true) about how they walked across the channel one time and capped a base. They said it took about 2 hours. They would hold "w" down then hit enter to bring up text buffer then let go of "w" and hit enter again. This allows you to keep walkin without holding the "w" key.
They said they kept gamevoice open and checked back through out the "walk" to britain..............
When I logged england had fallen and about 10 fairmile's had left dover docks to invade calais (sp).
I was over calais in a stuka as they dumped there inf. It got dark so I logged.
Way too many bugs to exploit in that game...............
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An idiotic game concession (enabled to cover a lie placed on the box) is now responsible for a cheap tactic that completely destroys any suspension of disbelief for me. Evaluation over, CRS can sink with their captured Fairmiles as far as I'm concerned.
Kieran, explain to me how do you keep your suspension of belief in AH?
I would think spawning PT boats from CV would hurt it. Or the fact that each side flies same planes all the time...
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AH doesn't purport to be a realistic recreation of a WWII environment, does it? You aren't told you are going to have the tools of war you should have and must use them accordingly, are you? Well, WWIIO claims that.
Are you saying wall clipping isn't a regular part of the game. Domino capping? A captured boat capturing English cities? Stuff like this is exactly why I don't play games like RTCW or Quake- you know people are cheating and you either put up with it or you don't play.
Staga, drop the pom-poms. Anytime someone brings a point up against WWIIO, you yell "whiner" out of reflex. You seem to forget you are not there sometimes. I have tried to be balanced on this revisit, but this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Your canned response is as predictable as if it appeared on their boards.
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Hmm Kieren all I said is "Whine is recorded" and now you see pompoms on my hands ?
IMO there's lots of things which needs more attention from CRS than situation you described.
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Yup, pretty much I do, but that has as much to do with your history on the topic as one post. You noted I have been more or less positive about WWIIO in the past month or so, and wanted to give it a fresh look. I did. While some things have indeed improved, the core game is still crippled with exploits and cheats.
The major difference between there and here is I can jump into a plane here and ignore the rest of the war if I don't agree with it. There it isn't possible. Nothing wrong with that in concept, but if I must be involved in a war, I want to believe there is a reasonable chance it will be conducted without cheats and exploits. That seems reasonable, doesn't it?
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You are correct in saying that Kieren's problem isn't the biggest one CRS has but isn't that the point? If something like that is considered minor then they have major problems.
I tried getting back into WWIIO but it didn't take long for me to realize that it still has way to many bugs for me to pay any money for.
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The major difference between there and here is I can jump into a plane here and ignore the rest of the war if I don't agree with it. There it isn't possible. Nothing wrong with that in concept, but if I must be involved in a war, I want to believe there is a reasonable chance it will be conducted without cheats and exploits. That seems reasonable, doesn't it?
Can you be sure that players in AH do not use exploits and cheats? In AH I have seen ground rolling bombers dropping bombs on troops, single engined fighters suicide bombing CV's, CV's being steered away from map, bombers flying outside of map and planes warping in most convinient moments.
There was also the incident where someone had hacked AH so that B-26 could drop troops and P-51 dropped dozens of bombs. This was fortunately stopped in swift manner after screenshots were made public.
There are cheats and exploits in every game. AH is quite limited in scope when you compare it to WWIOL that it is easy to see there is also less opportunities to exploit cheats and bugs.
I don't know why you cant ignore ground war in WWIIOL when flying? I do it succesfully all the time, except when I go hunting enemy ground forces on purpose.
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Because in WWIIO, if the enemy domino caps all your air bases, there is nowhere left to fly from. This situation can last for a long time- meaning a guy that has no interest in being infantry nor more than an hour to play is pretty much out of luck. In AH I can ignore what everyone else does pretty much, and only rarely am put in a situation where it is better to log.
There is nothing in AH that compares to the wall-clip cheat. No contest there. Exploits are here, sure, but they usually in no way effect what I expect from the game.
Put another way, if WWIIO advertises as "real as it gets", that's what I want when I go there. Comparing it to AH is irrelevant in that context, because AH has never presented itself as such. You may note that I never compare the two for this reason (previous to the comparisons made here). If it does come to comparing, anything they do similar AH does better, so why would I go there to get what I can here?
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Yes there are cheaters and hacks in AH but they don't effect the game like they do in WWIIO. Hell I've caught several of the so called great pilots cheating( a p38 pilot comes to mind) but once you know who they are you can normally avoid them.
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"I don't know why you cant ignore ground war in WWIIOL when flying?"
Perhaps because purely flying aircraft in WWII Online is a joke with the bugs and gaping holes in the FM?
Westy
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Because in WWIIO, if the enemy domino caps all your air bases, there is nowhere left to fly from. This situation can last for a long time- meaning a guy that has no interest in being infantry nor more than an hour to play is pretty much out of luck. In AH I can ignore what everyone else does pretty much, and only rarely am put in a situation where it is better to log.
Likelyhood that enemy can capture all your air bases with domino attack is about as likely in WWIIOL as in AH I would think.
WWIIOL strategy elements prevent sneak captures that can be and are conducted in AH. If you want to capture airfield you must have friendly base next to that field. In standard WWIIOL frontline situation allies must capture tens of cities, each requiring something like 5 to 10 skilled infantry players and truck drivers in case of domino capture tactic, taht makes 50 - 100 players that are willing to co-operate. What is likelihood of that to happen? And still the operation can be spoiled by one stuka in wrong place...
There is nothing in AH that compares to the wall-clip cheat. No contest there. Exploits are here, sure, but they usually in no way effect what I expect from the game.
This is only because there is nothing in AH (yet, it is coming in 1.09) that compares to WWIIOL infantry model :D
Put another way, if WWIIO advertises as "real as it gets", that's what I want when I go there. Comparing it to AH is irrelevant in that context, because AH has never presented itself as such. You may note that I never compare the two for this reason (previous to the comparisons made here).
Personally I find it useless to look what the game claims to offer and what it actually offers. If I find the game to suit my interests I will pay for it, no matter what has been promised. After all, it's the product that counts, not the promises.
If it does come to comparing, anything they do similar AH does better
I do not agree that AH does everything better than WWIIOL, not at all. There are features that AH could use.
so why would I go there to get what I can here?
Only you can answer to that question... I did go there because they have what I cannot get here and I am very happy. It goes down to personal preference and those things are not worth arguing with :)
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What I am saying is, what few things AH and WWIIO do in common AH does better (aside from tank modeling). Your continued assertation that cheating doesn't occur in AH like WWIIO because there isn't infantry in AH? What does that matter? If cheating is acknowledged openly and accepted, it's wrong- however revolutionary the concept of the game.
As for domino capping- it happens. I was on the other night when we lost our airbases. Log off time for me, I won't grunt.
You have fun and I'm happy for you. I'm lost as a customer and won't recommend the game to anyone else.
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I could never get past the disappearing plane and other performance issues to even pay attention to the strat model and any exploits associated with it. I'm only interested in flying and the combat that comes with it. What I get on my machine with WWIIOL is not worth paying for, IMO.
That in no way says the game isn't worth it for anyone else, by the way. :p
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I hope they can struggle on and develop the game to the point where it is viable. It's got potential from what I saw.
Cornered Rat could learn a thing or two from Hitech Creations about keeping their eye on the ball...
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Hell I've caught several of the so called great pilots cheating( a p38 pilot comes to mind)
Mighty1
What the hell is this? Do you have proof?
The comment about the p38 pretty much tells us who you are speaking of, so again do you have documentation to back up your slander?
F.
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http://www.theofficersclub.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000673.html
Kieran and Datter (link above) seem to have expressed it very well; the state of affairs for WW2O. I'm barely look warm to even trying it out online again when the free test comes along (if it does at all)
(I like Datters "OC" as it usually has MUCH less fan boi bull. Datter expects and gets a certain level of social decorum that the WW2O boards have never really tried for. Bet that's one reason Dragon left)
Well, I persued thier boards this a.m. to see if I could catch a glimpse of news regarding the public, open test. Nada. But it's very apparant that not many people coming back for the trial are impressed with what has been changed let alone WW2O expected progress. And the "community" there is back to the old 'let the door hit you in the bellybutton on your way out troll!"
Playnet/CRS and it's small group of nepotistic fan boi's are simply reaping what they sowed, imo.
So much potential yet so much wrong.
Westy
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And the "community" there is back to the old 'let the door hit you in the bellybutton on your way out troll!"
Djust like here then!!!
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Is it just me or is this game no fun whatsoever?
I got online last night and found I couldn't fly a 109, or drive a tank. Perhaps my rank is too low? I guess that's it. At any rate I spawned as a German soldier and picked a base close to some action as shown by an 'explosion' square icon on the map. Great methinks... I'll see some version 1.51 action and find out if this game has improved some the closed beta days.
On spawning I look around and despite my proximity to the 'explosion' icon not only find no action of any sort, but I find no people as well. Nothing, absolutely no one for as far as the eye can see. So far, this is exactly like the closed beta I remember.
I figure the battle must be towards the nearest town which sure seemed closer than this on the map so, in the absence of any vehicles I start running. A comment that used to come to mind back during beta was that this is, essentially, a running simulation as that's what I seemed to always spend my time doing. So, I run... and run, and run and run. Eventually I decide to see if the unplanned autowalk feature still works, and it does (hold down W then hit enter). So now autowalking to town I turn away and worked on a model of a B24 Liberator I have been tinkering with for a bit. More memories of the closed beta, in fact that's why I bought the model in the first place.
After a long time of walking, and seeing no one I CTD'd. Great. That's enough infantry 'action' for me so now I spawn at an airfield in a 110 (no 109 available, so a 110 for me). I take off and find the frame rate has improved greatly. I'm getting 25 to 30 or so and things are going well. I fly along and look at the landscape, which looks a hell of a lot better as well. After a long while of flying I come across some good guys and despite my tremendous urge to shoot something and strafe them I don't and just fly low over everyone. I notice them blinking in and out under the terrain as I pass... a problem that has always been present in this game for me since beta.
After another looooong time of flying I find a bad guy. A BAD GUY! WOOHOO! It's a boat of some kind which I proceed to strafe the hell out of over and over to no effect. I figure my bullets are no match for his armor but he's the only guy around and I'm bored so a-strafing I shall go. After about 5 passes I die. Not sure what happened as the screen just went black, but when I exited the AC I found my wingtip had touched a nearby flag pole apparently killing me for some reason.
That was it for me, I logged off and quit for the night. All in all this wasn't a helluva lot of fun and things haven't changed at all since beta as far as that goes it seems.
I *know* I'm missing something, I have to be.
datter
This is exactly how it is most of the time I enter the game. Even the missions I select seem to be at some remote corner of the world whee no ones around.
I've kept my paid sub since it went pay to play guess I'm a sucker..........
Every once in a while I'll run into an old friend and we''ll mess around abit.
I've only completed 7 missions or so out of about 100 because I'm so bored I log before time is up.
I get 30-40 fps in the air however whenever I'm in combat the guy I'm trying to kill warps and blinks.
I keep hearing athe fan boi's tell me how good it is but evn the inf is weak. Tanking is ok because in a pnzr you actually have to manuvre and out flank the allied uber armor.
as fer the field guns they aren't my bag.
My squad there Lehrgeschwader 1 has all but abandoned the game. and we are a 110/stuka squadron.
The stuka is a better tnb ac then a tank buster. Its dors alright on fbs.........
Maybe I just dont get it............
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I had fun in whatever I flew. I didn't mind the long flights to get to the mission objective. I didn't mind not seeing a great deal of action. I didn't mind the comparative performances of the planes.
Somehow, knowing a gameplay concession is responsible for the taking of the British Isles is so jarring as to make it senseless to me to pursue a "realistic" game. I am not nationality specific, and play both sides- it isn't that. It is endemic and indicates the flawed nature of their game design and rules. The other irritants- wall clipping, domino capping, etc. and the lack of any control or restraint on the behavior- add to my distate.
Flying is fun in WWIIO, but it cannot be separated from the rest of the game as it can here in AH or WB's, so the comparison is moot.
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Furious what proof do you need? Video? Witnesses? I have both but have decided it's not worth the trouble. How many people have been banned for hacking? You can probably count them on 1 hand. All that happens is people attack the person who complains.
If you will notice I never mentioned names and I don't plan on naming any.
You can get all defensive if you want but it still does not change the fact that there ARE hacks in this game. Always have been always will be.
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"Just like here then!!!"
Big difference imo. While obvious trolls and people who have a valid complaint, but they bury it in a five pound post filled with ten pounds of toejam slinging, get the 'see ya' posts here at AH literally ALL players who make serious comments on the MANY serious product defects in WW2O get raped over the coals by the fan boi's there. This goes for the forumn moderators, in-game managers (GHC/AHC players) to CRS themselves.
Westy
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Originally posted by Mighty1
Yes there are cheaters and hacks in AH but they don't effect the game like they do in WWIIO. Hell I've caught several of the so called great pilots cheating( a p38 pilot comes to mind) but once you know who they are you can normally avoid them.
Aim bot ? or No cockpit ? or No blackout ?
We played with a nice guy in CFS1 that loved to win . He was the highest ranking player , to bad it didn't carry over to any other flight sim :D
His was mostly the "follow me" cheat
Still in all , I like him , he was fun to play with most times , lmao at the thought .
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Furious what proof do you need? Video? Witnesses? I have both but have decided it's not worth the trouble
Either, both, whatever.
If you can prove it, I'll howl right along with you. But, if you can't or won't you should keep it to yourself.
F.
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Originally posted by Staga
Hmm Kieren all I said is "Whine is recorded" and now you see pompoms on my hands ?
IMO there's lots of things which needs more attention from CRS than situation you described.
Sure, they could begin to work seriously on FM issues.
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I did not keep it to myself because it was to keep on topic and prove a point.
I don't HAVE to prove it to you or anyone just so I can mention it happens.
There have been a lot of witnesses to the cheaters but most are like me and live with it instead of making a big stink.
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mighty seems to me you all but called out his name. with the implication you made theres folks that could read this and come away thinkin the few good 38 pilots or the 1 really good 1 is a cheat.
several of the so called great pilots cheating( a p38 pilot comes to mind) but once you know who they are you can normally avoid them.
you brought it up.....you implied a specific individual(s).
I can count the very few good 38 pilots on 1 hand.
It would have been best just not to imply anything but you have atleast bring what proof you have.
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At best half will believe, half won't, and both will fight. I prefer to believe the guy I'm fighting is not cheating unless I have reason to believe otherwise. That does not mean I think cheating doesn't happen here- it certainly must. People are not blatant about it (at least, not since the endless bomb P-51 and the troop carrying B-26), but with a user base this size it is safe to assume some do find and use cheats.
Thankfully this community wouldn't condone a cheat that was brazen enough to expose himself/herself, and HTC action would be swift. Sadly, that isn't true in other games.
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Lol the AH boards are still the temple of whiners from what I can see :)
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Sure, Hokum. Where do you "frequent"? ;)
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Wotan this is why I won't mention names. You only think you know who I'm talking about and you are already up in arms imagine what it would be like if you knew for sure. Think about all the people in denial that would run to their aid.
I was trying to prove a point that there ARE cheaters in AH just like all other online games. I didn't name names because it's not worth the hassle of trying to prove I'm right to a community that won't beleive no matter what proof you have.
Look at (name removed)and the TAS fiasco. There were so many people here that got screwed by him but he has friends here that won't beleive it no matter what is said.
Most people don't want to beleive that there are cheaters here. They would rather sit back and try to rationalize how they just got killed by someone who had no chance of winning.