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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Thrawn on January 24, 2002, 07:58:14 PM
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That's right, some nice green uniforms. No desert camo for us. "Why?", you may ask. Easy, our government doesn't give a fly f#$% about our service men and women. Hell, our navy is flying Sea Kings that are over 40 yrs old, and plan on using them for the next 10-15 years!!
Not only are we the laughing stock of the military community, but they are needlessly endangering the lives of the very people that have bravely decided that they love this country enough to defend it.:mad:
to all the countries out there who's governments support and cherish their fighting men and women. I wish ours was one of them.
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wow that sucks! canadians are alright, i dig em.
i, for one, will be outraged with you in support.
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Thrawn, maybe this will make ya feel better. I deployed from Europe as part of VII Corps for Operation Desert Shield/Storm. We wore regular woodland BDU uniforms throughout the entire operation and actually used the woodland camo nets to "camouflage" our equipment. It wasn't until 3 months after the war and 2 weeks before we left that they decided to bring us some desert uniforms...just so we wouldn't go home and step off the plane in our woodland uniforms. They didn't want the public thinking that we weren't taken care of. Nothing disguises a truck in the middle of a desert quite like a 100 square meter dark green camo net. :)
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Well I hear Canada is oh so progressive and liberal- I see I heard right! :)
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I deployed from Europe as part of VII Corps for Operation Desert Shield/Storm. We wore regular woodland BDU uniforms throughout the entire operation and actually used the woodland camo nets to "camouflage" our equipment. It wasn't until 3 months after the war and 2 weeks before we left that they decided to bring us some desert uniforms...just so we wouldn't go home and step off the plane in our woodland uniforms.
Heheh, I read about that in Franks and Clancy's book. But, this is just the strawn that broke the camels back. We're always doing watermelon like this.
Well I hear Canada is oh so progressive and liberal.
Yeah, and for the most part I agree with it...just not in this case.
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Well Thrawn I'll consider it a good start for you...
Why does Canada even bother with a military, who would attack Canada anyway? :D
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Originally posted by Thrawn
That's right, some nice green uniforms. No desert camo for us. "Why?", you may ask. Easy, our government doesn't give a fly f#$% about our service men and women. Hell, our navy is flying Sea Kings that are over 40 yrs old, and plan on using them for the next 10-15 years!!
Not only are we the laughing stock of the military community, but they are needlessly endangering the lives of the very people that have bravely decided that they love this country enough to defend it.:mad:
to all the countries out there who's governments support and cherish their fighting men and women. I wish ours was one of them.
Aren't the Canadians using that fairly new "digital" camo pattern? Maybe the "system" simply hasn't had time to spin up and produce desert colors in mass quantities?
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Yep thats our new stuff. Thats probably a reason we are using them there. "Look what we bought for our military, and see, we are using it" Gotta appease the tax payers and pencil pushers. I hope we get with the program and get some proper gear. Christ they could go to there local army surplus and pick some up.
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newguy is correct. Apparently, they are also making a small amount of desert camo.
"A small amount of desert pattern camouflage will be produced, enough to equip two battlegroups."
"The Clothe The Soldier program is the first major upgrade of Canadian Land Forces uniform and equipment since the 1960's."
Better late then never.
More info: http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/index_e.html
Apparently the they are way over schedule and budget for the combat bra. Yes, combat bra.
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"who would attack Canada anyway"
Quebec of course! ;) :D
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Canada's Finest: :)
http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/equip/hab/images/vetements/sous-vetement2.jpg
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Canada and two other nations are wearing green uniforms.Has nothing to do with not enough money.Now that fact that Canada has to rely on other nations transport planes(cause we have none)is an embarrasment.The current Liberal Party government(currently in it's third term)has decimated the moral and slashed to budget of our once proud millitary.We are only capable of peacekeeping missions and expect our friends in the south to do all the dangerous ops'.We have a batch of F-18's but almost half of them are being salvaged for parts.
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"Apparently the they are way over schedule and budget for the combat bra".
Those ARE for the women,right?
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That freem-medical-care-for-all plan has gotta be paid for by something. There aint no free lunch. :)
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Originally posted by easymo
"Apparently the they are way over schedule and budget for the combat bra".
Those ARE for the women,right?
Uhhh, we aren't aloud to talk about that. Forget i said anything.
Sirloin: The question I have is, who the hell voted for these morons for a third term anyway?
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Canada has pretty good personel gear for our troops. The combats I wore for 7 years in the canadian infantry in The middle east, near the arctic circle and in panama on the equator where all the same type. And the worked excellent in all those places.(add mucklucks for the arctic..and Jungle boots for the tropics..I was certainly happier with my combats then the Green Berets were with theirs when we were up north. or the Brits were with theirs.
This is just another example of Canadians whining. Its our national past time. We have excellenty equiped light infantry units. They will do excellent once they get used to the ground and weather. The trouble starts when our low manpower levels force the gov to commit dismounted armour and arty units as infantry...then things get real interesting.
Lots of new troops where disapointed with the bland mono tone green combats we were issued. They wanted camo!. But they soon learned that the qualities of our combats for wear and camo were unmatched. Especially once the green weathered a bit into many shades of green...
The reason we have not replaced our combats in so long is because they were bloody excellent kit. They have looked at other types many times and decided to skip it. What we had was excellent. They made minor adjustments over the years but why change somthing that suites its function so well..for military fashion? lol
I hope they have the nuts to only change gear to improve it. Not cause it looks good in a catalog.
And those long underwear were excellent too! Bloody things kept me alive several times...
What we going to laugh at next...Wool socks?
But they can be rediculous.
They have issued new rucksacks that are boob freindly...
The straps have big cut outs on them so they dont lay accross womans breasts...But that forces the lode out to just about the armpits. So the guys that really use rucks have to put real straps on to take the weight of the lodes they carry...The lady dental techs have a comfortable ruck put in their closets though...
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I arrived in Vietnam in class-A wintergreens (wool).
There is the right way. The wrong way. And the Army way.
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Yeah, but Pongo, wtf do you know about it?:D
Sorry guys looks like I was off base with this, my apologies. And thanks for the info Pongo, makes me feel alot better.
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Great post Pongo!!!..Very refreshing to get an inside scoop of our forces.I guess the press tends to blow things outta context to suit thier own political purposes(concering morale and combat readiness)...:)
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I'd like to know when the freekin military (any, but especially the U.S.) is gonna get around to realising there's a reason all the Air Force pilots wear thier green bags around. The U.S. "BDU" is ok for comfort and utility RIGHT UP UNTIL you gotta gear up....then there couldn't be a more uncomfortable combination of bulky crappy bad fitting clothing possible. If you don't wear suspenders with'em...adding to the discomfort, you can forget keeping your pants up. Damn blouse just LOVES to ride up in front under web gear. I toejam you not, it's like they designed these things to piss you off. How a shirt can manage to ride up so most of it ends up at about tit level while your crawling forward is beyond me but....they do!! I'm sure I'll go to my grave wishing combat clothing consisted of a nice sturdy jumpsuit, but then that would be logical.
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There was a news story last night here. They are painting the Coyote's in desert colors before shipping them overseas.
We can't transport them though:) A few years ago they shut down the Air Force Base here. It had (I bleieve) the second longest runway in North America ... it was even a back up runway for the Space Shuttle.
The Arny took it over and built buildings along that runway to the point where it's unusable now. It's a 10 lane tank highway now. I'm not a high ranking officer, but it seems to me that IF we ever had to ship out it would make sense to keep the runway active and put up buildings in the hundreds of acres away from the runway. Then a transport could land on the base, load up and ship out! Not right now. They have to load on trailers, take em to the opposite side of town and fly them out of there.
Pongo,
I'm sorry to whine about the military, but it makes ya shake your head from time to time.
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The current Liberal Party government(currently in it's third term)has decimated the moral and slashed to budget of our once proud millitary.We are only capable of peacekeeping missions and expect our friends in the south to do all the dangerous ops'.We have a batch of F-18's but almost half of them are being salvaged for parts .
At least you still work to maintain an air force, unlike your commonwealth cousin New Zealand. Now that is a sad state of affairs.
Charon
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Skernsk. No prob. Whine away I do, the troops do...just trying to direct the energy to something constructive.
Global airlift capability is something you dont need if you are not projecting power globaly. You would never move a mechanized battle group by air...Unless you were worried about invasion ie Gulf war. You move them by sea and use comercial ships to do so. There is plenty of roll on-roll off capacity on the market and it is much cheaper for Canadas purposes to use that.
You mentioned the Coyote..Cant wait to hear how those work out. They seem to be perfect for the role that our boys will be playing over there...Export orders to follow I bet.
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Crawl around a little in the local mud and the Pats will blend in nicely.
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Originally posted by Tumor
I'm sure I'll go to my grave wishing combat clothing consisted of a nice sturdy jumpsuit, but then that would be logical.
I think the US army tried a one-piece uniform in WWII. They were highly successful until it was discovered that it was difficult to go potty while wearing them.
I got this snippet from Understanding Wartime Behaviour - I forget the author's name but he was an infantryman in the ETO in WWII and later became a prof. at the University of Pennsylvania.
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We had winter camo out fits that were jump suites.....big baggy ones.to go over our combats and parkas. .And they had that problem..ok for a 3 hour patrol but not for general operations. The two piece winter cam smocks were better.
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I recalled this topic as I browsed CNN's site with todays pictures of US forces in Afghanistan. Damn if the US forces did not stick out like sore thumbs against the khaki background with thier predomately green camo.
It would appear that the only kevlar vests they had were mostly green and brown camo'd covered. That and many of the uniforms themselves have a predominately green motiff to them.
Westy
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Heh... camo samo spamo...we're not WORRIED about hiding. We're making THEM hide...lol.
No in all seriousness the best uni I wore was jungle fatiques. BDU's ...well the only ones I wore for everything where the "jungle" ones. Why? They dried alot quicker if you got wet..and it doesnt matter if its hot or cold...wet for a long time sucks.
I remember the Brits from Hong Kong ie Coldstream Guards bought thier own rucks, as they stated that the ones issued sucked.
xBAT
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for example
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Originally posted by K West
for example
Ahhh... once you pull the trigger, camo is not really all that important :P
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Well I gota say, My old unit is now in Afganistan any my exact old unit the Sniper Section of 3PPCLI is in combat there...
I have since this thread seen the combats in question in detail and I cant believe how dark they are. They are not green they are dark green with black dots all over...very very dark...
I can see why the troops were worried.
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I will stand in support with you because you wear big hats like us.
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Rgr that Pongo. I think it's incredible that these troops are over there and we're (our respectvie gov'ts and militaries) not given them the best that they could have. (sticks tongue out at the others ;) )
Blending in with the terrain instead of being "Mr Obvious" could help save some of thier lives as well as allow them to perform better against the enemy.
Westy
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Originally posted by Charon
At least you still work to maintain an air force, unlike your commonwealth cousin New Zealand. Now that is a sad state of affairs.
Charon
I agree, especially given the military buildup in Samoa. Led by Samoan strongman Chief Gitugoata the Samoan Navy is being expanded from 20 dugout war canoes to nearly 50 dugout war canoes supported by a vast array of outrigger scout canoes and rafts.
The one saving grace for New Zealand is that the Samoans are too fat to squeeze into the cockpits of their surplus F-4Fs supplied them by the USA in President Regan's Guns-for-Coconuts Deals during the 80s.
We can only hope New Zealand wakes up in time to arm itself to the teeth against the Samoans before they finish building their war canoes and paddle over to Auckland and kick some Kiwi ass.
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Ignorance is bliss isn't it Charon.
Lets see, what threats does New Zealand have....? none? oh ok.
So what role does its Armed Forces play? Oh? Peace Keepers, Civil emergency backup, coastal patrol... ok.
Now, NZ had a choice. Keep the sharp end of our Air Force, which, incidentally hasn't been in combat since the Brits were fighting communists in Malaysia. And keep our Army with its archaeic weaponry, which incidentally has played a major peacekeeping roles in many many actions, as well as active roles in other theatres including Afghanistan (NZ SAS is there!).
Or, we could ditch the totally unused sharp end of the RNZAF (all they really did was the odd airshow). And spend the extra money on bringing our grunts up to a decent level of equipment. And look at some newer transport choppers and aircraft (ie ditch the hueys and hercs).
Which is what some sharp cookie decided to do. Now what kind of moron would advocate spending millions of taxpayer dollars on the sharp end of the air force that is never used. AND... should it ever be used would last all of 5 seconds in combat (no disrespect to the RNZAF pilots... but Skyhawks in combat? LOL).
So Charon, crawl back under the rock from which your primitive mono-celled-brain crawled while more intelligent people than you make the right decisions. OK?
Originally posted by Charon
At least you still work to maintain an air force, unlike your commonwealth cousin New Zealand. Now that is a sad state of affairs.
Charon