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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Maniac on February 02, 2001, 06:43:00 AM
The topic comes up perhaps once an week here on the BBS about an HA arena (or an axis vs allies arena).

I djust want to warn the ones pushing for another arena setup (more real one) to not waste your breath, HT has CLEARLY stated that this wont happen...

This is not an question about numbers in the main arena its about HTC dont want to break the player base up...

I surely would want another setup but HTC even prevents the CM´s to set up the special events arenas like an HA on weekdays when its not used...

I´m djust want to warn all those who thinks we will see an more interesting arena setup djust as soon as the numbers picks up (as they havnt allredy lol)

Regards.


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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jochen on February 02, 2001, 07:46:00 AM
I dont know if I want new arena... But I know I would like to see the existing one to use better all planes we have instead of flying almost solely a plane that was produced in even fewer numbers than Ar 234!

It would be really nice to hear what HTC is planning for future. We already know quite a lot what WWIIOL is going to be, even if it is not even in open beta. But we don't have information what AH will be and AH has been pay-for-play for a year now.

Lots of hardcore pilots from AH and WB are indicated that they are extremely interested about WWIIOL and I can understand why, historical matchups and sides. I admit too that I will gladly exhange AH's Ar 234 and Tempest in everything goes arena to Bf 109E and Ju 87 of WWIIOL extremely historical arena once it is possible.

Those hardcore pilots are the ones that run events in WB and would run them in AH too if we would have enough of them. If AH cannot atract enough hardcore players I doubt we will ever see events such are seen in WB which means that AH degenerates to aerial quake with few late -40's jet planes and prop planes that never saw action.

I also understand that HTC do not want to divide player base with many arenas and I think it is wise thing to do. That would create two separate classes within AH and it is not good.

I also understand that arena with more pilots online will draw even more other pilots to it. It has been seen on WB and so it would happen here also.

If HTC is really strongly against historical matchups like two sided axis/allied arena it might be because of decision not to compete with WWIIOL which has more resources and possibly more polished details. In that case AH competes with WBIII and FA which are more fantasylike and player base is not that demanding on details, all they want is new jets and nuclear bomb.

Bottom line: while I like AH overall very much I would like to hear about the direction where it is going. Do we have any hope of RPS and reasonable plane usage that resembles WWII even remotely?

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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski

Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolsevismus!
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Maniac on February 02, 2001, 07:55:00 AM
One point tough, u dont have to be an "hardcore" player to enjoy another arena setup then the one we currently have..

Alot of the guys here have flown online sims almost for 10 yrs now, how about providing something new for them? and not djust cater to the masses.

I know i know, "if u dont like it then leave" <G>



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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jochen on February 02, 2001, 08:30:00 AM
 
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One point tough, u dont have to be an "hardcore" player to enjoy another arena setup then the one we currently have.

But if the other arena is more difficult (no inflight radar, reduced icons) casual player will avoid it as a plague if he has a choice for going to easier arena -> first very few then no pilots at all.

 
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Alot of the guys here have flown online sims almost for 10 yrs now, how about providing something new for them? and not djust cater to the masses.

Be honest, what percentage of players you think wants two sided war with resticted planeset? 10%? 20%?

Flat rate pricing needs masses to work so you need to cater for the masses. It is the hardcore niche that needs to adapt to fantasy arena concept I'm afraid.

Think about this: Few years ago there was basically AW and WB. AW was lighter choice and WB was more realistic so pilots had easy task for choosing which one to fly. WB had hardcore arena called HA and fantasy arena called MA.

Now the situation is greatly different: earlier different arenas served different folks. Now there is different simulations for different folks. WWIIOL could be aimed for hardcore pilots and players while WB, AH and FA server quake pilots. Do you see it? Earlier there were arenas to server different needs, now there is different sims instead of arenas.

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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski

Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolsevismus!
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jochen on February 02, 2001, 08:38:00 AM
I think the real question is where AH is heading, will it become more realistic or more arcade like? Maybe it is simple as that really.

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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski

Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolsevismus!
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Westy on February 02, 2001, 09:54:00 AM
 Maniac, you're back?

  -Westy
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: LJK Raubvogel on February 02, 2001, 11:25:00 AM
I'd like to know what direction it's heading also. I'm sure there's some type of vision HTC has for the game. It would be nice to get a glimpse of it.

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LuftJägerKorps (http://www.luftjagerkorps.com)

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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: sling322 on February 02, 2001, 11:46:00 AM
I know I have posted an answer to this same question before, but if ya wanna fly historical matchups its really quite simple.  Sunchaser and I did it for a month before 1.05 came out in the Med terrain.  You just make a little gentleman's agreement with the folks coming in to only fly planes for one side or the other.  We never had anybody come in and disrupt our fun.  Everybody who showed up wanted the historical matchups and were willing to stick to the agreement.  No CM's were involved in limiting aircraft at any field or anything....it was just a simple little gentleman's agreement.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Vermillion on February 02, 2001, 11:50:00 AM
 
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Those hardcore pilots are the ones that run events in WB and would run them in AH too if we would have enough of them. If AH cannot atract enough hardcore players I doubt we will ever see events such are seen in WB which means that AH degenerates to aerial quake with few late -40's jet planes and prop planes that never saw action

Ok this is really starting to bother me  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)

Have you never bothered to look here http://events.hitechcreations.com (http://events.hitechcreations.com)  ??

We DO run events both weekly, and large scale events on a periodic basis. In fact we most recently ran the first large scale scenario, "Afrika Corps", that either AH or WB's has seen in years. And it was a huge success, with the arena full each and every frame (Yes I know about Midway II, which was run after we ran ours)

Do YOU attend all the events?

The reason I ask is that all of the "We want a HA" crowd, complains on the BBS weekly, but when we were running a HA style event each and every week, very few people showed up. In fact we haven't run any lately due to total lack of interest.

And we still run "Snapshots" each week, which are very similar in format to SL's over in WB's.

And we are working feverishly on our next "BIG" scenario right now, and should be announcing it shortly when we have some more of the details finalized.

And I will bet you a fine bottle of liquor of your choice that our CM team puts out more large scale events during the next year than the WB's team does.

No I have no control over such things as RPS's and Early war planesets which you may love (but which many of us despise).

But please do not insult the CM's of Aces High by saying that we have less numerous (practically none according to your post) or lower quality events than WB's as a means of furthering your personal agenda for a HA, Axis vs Allied, Early war planeset, or a RPS.

Its simply not true, and is an inuslt to many a hardworking member of this community.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/mad.gif)

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Vermillion
Senior CM, Aces High Scenario Corps
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: llbm_MOL on February 02, 2001, 12:22:00 PM
As I once heard one of the top dogs say at HTC "less than 10% of the players in Brand X ever used the HA". I hear the same 10% or less of players in here harping on about a HA. Face it fellows this company learns from its past mistakes. If you want it to get more real get off ur tulips and go jump in a real airplane and fly. Hell put some guns on it and go find one of your HA buddies and shoot him down for all I care but quit harping on about a HA as it aint gonna happen  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!

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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jochen on February 05, 2001, 04:39:00 AM
 
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Do YOU attend all the events?

No I don't because most of them are scheduled to times which are middle of the night for me.

 
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The reason I ask is that all of the "We want a HA" crowd, complains on the BBS weekly, but when we were running a HA style event each and every week, very few people showed up. In fact we haven't run any lately due to total lack of interest.

Events are already obsolete idea because they are run on specific times only. Many people have busy lifes and cannot schedule their days around computer game, escpecially if the events is middle of the night. I have only limited time to fly in AH and the propability that I have spare time during event is very small.

It is however encouraging that CM's have noticed that events simply don't work with player base like we have now. HA is totally different than events because it is available all the time.

 
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And we still run "Snapshots" each week, which are very similar in format to SL's over in WB's.

And how popular is that format?

In general, scheduled events do not work. They are available only at certain times and you cannot expect to get good number of pilots to show up because they can fly in MA whenever they want and not having to wait event that starts few hours after they have gone to bed.

I don't want new arena like HA but I would like to see MA become more WWII like ie. less one plane show and more variety. Historical sides would be nice but that will never happen.

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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski

Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolsevismus!
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Duckwing6 on February 05, 2001, 05:43:00 AM
Jochen you might want to have another look at the schedule ..

the Snapshots run at 3pm EST which is 21:00 CET ..  we put them there so the Euro part of the community gets their shot at the events too.

DW6

CM Corps
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Maniac on February 05, 2001, 08:41:00 AM
"HTC "less than 10% of the players in Brand X ever used the HA""

LLBM, i know you know better then this, comparing an WB HA to what an AH HA could be is comparing apples to oranges.

Regards.

P.S almost forgot how many % of the WB playerbase have played in the WWII arena?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: aztec on February 05, 2001, 09:03:00 AM
A tremendous <S> to you Verm, and all of those whose efforts bring Special events to our community. I have always been a big fan of the events and find them to be the most fun I've had in Flight sims.

Unfortunately my invovement in AH events has been very low. This is mainly due to the fact that for now Saturday is the day the weekly event is run and Saturdays are nearly impossible for me to attend.

I think scheduling has a great deal to do with attendance and am sure that it would be difficult to find a time which would be conducive to high attendance.

What was nice about SLs was that they were run 3 times a week allowing me to usually find the time to fly at least one of them. I certainly don't mean to criticize the current scheduling...only wanted to point out that I feel it and the lack of a well rounded planeset are imho a couple of the reasons for the poor turnout.

I'm sure hoping that the player events will grow in leaps and bounds and once again would like to thank the events team for their efforts
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: straffo on February 05, 2001, 09:18:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
And I will bet you a fine bottle of liquor of your choice that our CM team puts out more large scale events during the next year than the WB's team does.

I bet a bottle of fine champage  (and I'll be happy to loose  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Westy on February 05, 2001, 09:42:00 AM
"P.S almost forgot how many % of the WB playerbase have played in the WWII arena?  "

 About  80% and all on the Allied side when it turns late war and then begins the a cluster fudges against about 12 Axis pilots.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

 -Westy

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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Vermillion on February 05, 2001, 09:44:00 AM
 
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No I don't because most of them are scheduled to times which are middle of the night for me.

9:00PM is the middle of the night for you? We took great pains in scheduling our events so that European players could participate.  And we also try to hold an "in timezone" event every 2 weeks or so for our Pac Rim/Aussie contingent.

 
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Events are already obsolete idea because they are run on specific times only

*sarcasm mode on* So we should just run them at random times, with only a 15 minute announcement prior to holding them? Sheesh. */sarcasm mode off*

Sorry, but an HA arena is still just an arena. Its not a substitute for planned events, and large scale scenarios, no matter what you say. Basically an HA is just another free for all arena, with just slightly different rules.

Your arguement earlier in the thread was that there are too few events, and they are low quality. So I disprove that, and you change your arguement to "Its not convient for me" and its not as good as full time arena. Well, I think most people would agree with me that, these points are just as invalid.

Promote the start of an HA all you want, I don't care either way myself, but I understand yours and others desire to have one.

But all I ask is that you don't wrongly slander and denigrade the Scenario Corps and all its hard working volunteers to try and prove your point.

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Senior CM, Aces High Scenario Corps

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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jekyll on February 05, 2001, 04:51:00 PM
 
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Do YOU attend all the events?

Hmm lets see Verm.  Just when were the Afrika Korps frames held?  Sunday nights?

That works out to middle of the day on Monday for the Australians/Asians.

OK, how about the Snapshots?  Saturdays 3pm EST, which works out about 5am Sunday morning for me.  I suppose I don't really need to sleep in on the one day of the week I get a chance to do so.  

Why not try out the Check 6 events?  Oops, 4pm to 6pm Sunday makes it around 9am Monday for me.  The boss might not approve  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Oh wow..  a Tour of Duty.  Perfect  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  Oops,  Thursday nights translates to midday Friday for me.  Ditto re the boss.

Honestly verm, when the timings for Afrika Korps were first released I posted regarding the unsuitability for Pac/Asian timezone.

Or do you regard 'middle of the working day' as a convenient time for non-US players?

Easy to see that this is a US-based sim, isn't it?  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Kieren on February 05, 2001, 05:08:00 PM
Let's try a little logic.

The scenario team is made of people from American, Italian, and Japanese time zones. If you want events run, they will naturally fall during those times. If those times don't work out, join the team and set up some time zone friendly events yourself.

Verm makes a good point. Slandering a volunteer group is not going to get you anywhere. I have a lot more respect for people that get active in the creation of what they want to see than those that sit back and squeak nonstop that it just isn't right. Plenty of people have done just that, it isn't hard to do.

I was happy to serve with those guys, but real life got too involved this year to maintain a position. It was still a very informative experience and I would think three times before I squeak at anyone about the volunteer work they do.
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Hangtime on February 05, 2001, 05:21:00 PM
Get a count of Eastern pacific pilots on.. get 'em together; form a committie, put up yer own scenarios appropriate for your time zone... wallah; problem of 'scenarios for time-zone disadvantaged pilots' solved.

And I still want a HA. Full time. Since most seem to think that there is 'not a large enuff player base' to support a HA; lemme say that pilot populations during prime time for the Eastern Seaboard of the US has NO PROBLEM producing an overfull; warpy; laggy; dismal playing MA RIGHT NOW.

Resouces required by HTC.. looks like NONE to me. there's an empty SEA sittin there right now.. reconfigure THAT as an RPS HA, allied vs axis. LET US DECIDE..we'll vote it by appearance. The rest of this BBS HA noise is just that..

NOISE.

It's time.. lets have a HA where we WON'T have Pony's vs chogs and N1k's vs 109's, where we WONT have a damn AWACS radar.. etc.

How 'bout it HTC.. is it time yet?

 




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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: LJK Raubvogel on February 05, 2001, 06:49:00 PM
Well, since there are only 3 that I know of from Hawaii, I don't think we can come up with our own scenarios  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I like Hang's idea, change the ghost town Med Sea into a HA for a few weeks(but use a different map).
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: chisel on February 05, 2001, 09:48:00 PM
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Originally posted by Vermillion:
And I will bet you a fine bottle of liquor of your choice that our CM team puts out more large scale events during the next year than the WB's team does.

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Will this bet include scenarios put on by the Warbirds S3 janitors?
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: funked on February 05, 2001, 10:03:00 PM
Jekyll you are still crying about that?  Since you are so smart, why don't you figure out a time that will work for European, US, and Pacific time players?  It doesn't exist.

What about the Japanese Snapshot events.  Those are great fun and not in the middle of the night for you.  Why don't you fly those?
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jekyll on February 05, 2001, 11:48:00 PM
I'm glad to realise that you think a member of the AH community is 'crying' when he would dearly like to take part in an organised event, but cannot due to its US-centric timing.  

And funked, for Afrika Korps any time on a Saturday would have been fine.  Saturday night US equates to Sunday morning for me - well worth getting up early for an organised scenario.  Would it have been SO hard for the US organisers to time the event so as to include the Asia/Pacific members?

Japanese snapshots?  I've flown quite a few.  I wonder how many snapshots YOU would fly funked if they often ended at 2am Monday morning for you?



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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Maniac on February 06, 2001, 12:47:00 AM
The thing is that an HA (WWII arena or wathever u want to call it) would be an success today... AH has an great number of pilots who have flown in the current MA concept for an X couple of years and is longing for an different setup.

The real problem is that an HA would drain the MA from pilots and thus preventing new guys from joining up because the main is empty and the HA perhaps is too restricted for em.

If we get an arena setup with axis vs allies, the med map or anyone of Nuttz maps, revised icon settings (i dont meen no icons) i can guarantee about 30-35 pilots on european times and some more when the US gets off work.

The differance between djust saying : Go in to the med and have an gentlemans agreement and set up your own HA against having an HA setup 24/7 is imho huge...

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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Torgo on February 06, 2001, 02:57:00 AM
 
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Originally posted by Jochen:
WWIIOL could be aimed for hardcore pilots and players while WB, AH and FA server quake pilots. Do you see it? Earlier there were arenas to server different needs, now there is different sims instead of arenas.

I think in terms of air combat people are getting their AH "quakers" and WWIIOnline "realism" mixed up.

Read this BBS. Go read the WWIIOnline BBS. Tell me which one has more Quakeheads, hmmm?

And I seriously doubt the air combat portion of WWWIIOL is more "Realistic" than AH. For one thing, it's not the focus of the game.
And it's intended for a mass market. I'll frankly be shocked beyond belief if WWIIOL has a more realistic/difficult flight model, tougher icon settings, etc. than AH.

They're starting out with 5 fighters and 9 planes overall. By the time they get Open Beta, than Open Beta ends, then they finish the first theatre, and then start a new theatre and finally add some more planes, do you realize that's probably at least 2 years from now? How many planes will AH have by then? 100?

Sure, I'll fool around in WWIIOnline when it is in Open Beta..no reason not to.

But I agree with HTC it's not really direct competition. (And I suspect we're up to AH 1.10 by the time WWIIOL open beta begins :-)

Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jochen on February 06, 2001, 03:07:00 AM
 
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9:00PM is the middle of the night for you? We took great pains in scheduling our events so that European players could participate. And we also try to hold an "in timezone" event every 2 weeks or so for our Pac Rim/Aussie contingent.

Yeah baby yeah!!! For 30$ investment per month I can fly in total four max two hour historical events? And few large sccenarios per year if I can wake up early enough and skip work next day?

Do you see the problem with events? If you want historical action, events are not good value for money, atleast if you live outside of US. I can't plan my weekends around events having girlfriend and bunch of other hobbies, I can fly only in random times and I have seen total of one event announcement while I was flying online and I had to skip even that because I was just leaving to gym so I was unable to attend.

 
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*sarcasm mode on* So we should just run them at random times, with only a 15 minute announcement prior to holding them? Sheesh. */sarcasm mode off*

No, run something that offers historical action all the time maybe. The answer should be quite obvious? Sheesh.

That was sarcasm too.

 
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Sorry, but an HA arena is still just an arena. Its not a substitute for planned events, and large scale scenarios, no matter what you say. Basically an HA is just another free for all arena, with just slightly different rules.

Historical sides and limited planeset with accurate map is just free for all arena with slightly different rules? roadkille I say. In contrast I could say that events are free for all arena with slightly different rules that is only open in extremely limited time.

Arena like that (historical everything) would give possibility to run event like sorties and missions unlike current MA. And it would be possible to do it all the time so it would suit players that cannot participate most events because of their schedule. And number of those players that cannot participate events is high I think.

 
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Your arguement earlier in the thread was that there are too few events, and they are low quality.

Don't twist my words my fiend.

I stated that there is too few events to satisfy pilots that want to fly historically, atleast for me. I didn't say anything about event quality, or did I?

 
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So I disprove that, and you change your arguement to "Its not convient for me" and its not as good as full time arena. Well, I think most people would agree with me that, these points are just as invalid.

Ummm... If most of the events are not in convinient time for me or many other pilots doesn't that mean that it is not as good as full time arena where they could fly anytime they want in the way they want?

[/quote]Promote the start of an HA all you want, I don't care either way myself, but I understand yours and others desire to have one.[/quote]

If you look messages I have wrote in this thread I haven't said I want new arena like AH because I don't think it will work. So I don't promote HA.

I have stated merits of HA in this message to counter your claims but it still does not mean that I want HA to AH because I don't think it would work. There is one popular arena that tells what kind of sim Ah or WWIIOL is. Underpopulated HA means nothing.

 
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But all I ask is that you don't wrongly slander and denigrade the Scenario Corps and all its hard working volunteers to try and prove your point.

<snippage!>

Those hardcore pilots are the ones that run events in WB and would run them in AH too if we would have enough of them. If AH cannot atract enough hardcore players I doubt we will ever see events such are seen in WB which means that AH degenerates to aerial quake with few late -40's jet planes and prop planes that never saw action.

Ok, where is the slander part?

I think you have said that you have cancelled events because not enough pilots have shown interest towards them? Right? Doesn that mean that there is not enough historically inclined (hardcore) pilots to support events? Huh?

Not enough hardcore pilots -> no events and no HA.

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Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolsevismus!
Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Maniac on February 06, 2001, 04:12:00 AM
<snip>

lol posted in the wrong thread

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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Laika on February 06, 2001, 04:43:00 AM
posted by Jekyll:
I'm glad to realise that you think a member of the AH community is 'crying' when he would dearly like to take part in an organised event, but cannot due to its US-centric timing.  

And funked, for Afrika Korps any time on a Saturday would have been fine.  Saturday night US equates to Sunday morning for me - well worth getting up early for an organised scenario.  Would it have been SO hard for the US organisers to time the event so as to include the Asia/Pacific members?

Japanese snapshots?  I've flown quite a few.  I wonder how many snapshots YOU would fly funked if they often ended at 2am Monday morning for you?



I'm pretty much with Jekyll here, I’m flying out of the west cost of Oz looking for something like a HA or regular event that has workable hours…

snip….OK, how about the Snapshots? Saturdays 3pm EST, which works out about 5am Sunday….snip

MMmmm.. works out to 2 or 3am(DLS) west coast time

Afrika Korps  ? Monday day time for me  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)  …

The US drags its bellybutton as far as time zones go and they put a big event on a Sunday night ? Sh*t whats wrong with Friday night thru to Sat night US time ? I rolled at just on 3am (local) Sunday morning for WB’s Point Blank, my girlfriend thought I’d lost it (maybe I have)  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Don’t you guys want to include asia/pac ?    (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)

Aces Chog has great FM’s but was hoping for little taste of history now and then, too much to ask ?..  


Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Jekyll on February 06, 2001, 07:43:00 AM
 
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And I seriously doubt the air combat portion of WWWIIOL is more "Realistic" than AH. For one thing, it's not the focus of the game.
And it's intended for a mass market. I'll frankly be shocked beyond belief if WWIIOL has a more realistic/difficult flight model, tougher icon settings, etc. than AH.

Hmm, wonder if the WW2OL aircraft will go faster with parts missing as easily as they do in AH?  Don't know about tougher icons settings, though for the life of me I cannot think of any EASIER settings than AH!  Oh yes I can, maybe WW2OL icons can accurately measure distance to the inch, rather than the yard   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

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They're starting out with 5 fighters and 9 planes overall. By the time they get Open Beta, than Open Beta ends, then they finish the first theatre, and then start a new theatre and finally add some more planes, do you realize that's probably at least 2 years from now? How many planes will AH have by then? 100?[/b]

Well, WB currently has over 50 aircraft.  Do you therefore believe its a better game than AH?  Size DOES matter, eh Torgo   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

 
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Sure, I'll fool around in WWIIOnline when it is in Open Beta..no reason not to.

But I agree with HTC it's not really direct competition. (And I suspect we're up to AH 1.10 by the time WWIIOL open beta begins :-)

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Of course AH is not in competition with WW2OL.  AH is in competition with Fighter Ace, Air Warrior, Warbirds, CFS2 and every other boxed flight game on the market.

And you want it to try to compete with WW2OL as well?

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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: daddog on February 06, 2001, 02:39:00 PM
I don’t read the “General BB” very much because so often the threads turn ugly or negative, but I need to comment here.

All the scheduling for the weekly events has for the most been my call.  Verm has given me a lot lead to do as I please.  Unfortunately with the number of CM’s we have, and the time involved in running weekly events I am very limited with the choices of schedules I have to run these events.  Given the resources I would have a historical event every day of the week, but that is not possible.  I can promise you that as we grow and learn I will do everything I can to provide historical events for everyone that wants to participate in one.  I am looking at a new schedule that will add a time or two for historical events so consider that good news.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)  

I know how frustrating it is for some of you to not have historical events to fly in.  They are my passion and much of the reason I fly in online sims.  I hear you and am doing what I can to provide for everyone in the community.  Thankfully I am not alone and get a lot of help from the CM corps.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Title: The HA issue (or 2nd arena issue if u like)
Post by: Hangtime on February 06, 2001, 04:37:00 PM
Daddog..

Let me know if I can help, and how.

I'm available most weeknight evenings.

And THANK you for your efforts; and for the ongoing efforts of the other CM's.

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