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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lapa on January 25, 2002, 09:37:34 AM
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In no particular order:
1. Spits and N1Ks will no longer be the annoying guys who always manage to stick to your tail like glue and dance away from your gunnery passes. Instead, they are your main source of nourishment. It's always refreshing to see a guy actually try to outturn you on a sustained turn- the easiest, most stable shot opportunity of all in AH (even I can hit them and my gunnery sucks)
2. You know that every kill you get is a humiliation to the other guy. The only way a Zeke can get a kill on someone is if the poor sucker willingly comes near you and chooses to stallfight instead of just leaving you in the dust. A patient guy with good gunnery in nearly any other plane will smoke your tailfeathers nearly every time. Luckily, patient guys with excellent gunnery are rarely seen in the MA and probably hanging around at 30k anyway, whereas suckers do actually grow on trees :D
3. There is no way you can extend out of the fight anyway, so you don't have to worry about K/D or tactics for survival. Just dive in and enjoy.
4. You will never get frustrated by a 25k bomber's tail guns dismantling you at extreme range. If you ever happen to be that high, they will outrun you anyway and you can't get into their gun range even if you try =)
5. It's good for lazy guys. You can forget to pull up your gear at takeoff, hit autoclimb, go get a beer, start combat and never even notice your gear is down (happened to me once).
6. You are the king in the weeds. You should be, your engine is probably upgraded from a weedwhacker.
7. Nothing vulches quicker than a zero making a tight, 120 mph orbit around a spawn point. All the boom and zoomers who have to use 5 milers for their reversal for the next vulch run will be left out in the cold as you rack up kill after kill in front of their noses.
8. Trash talk. How often do you get to say things like "All you know is running you Boom-and-Zooming SpitV dweeb! Slow down and fight like a man!"
9. Shooting someone down after you have run out of cannons and the .50, just tickling him to death with the single 7,92mm. Simply a pleasure to savor.
10. Another good thing for the lazy guys- it's first on the plane selection list so you never have to search for it.
And there are more, but I'm tired of writing. Fly a Zero, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. The girls will love you for your manly demeanor, your countrymen will wonder at your skill and your enemies will cover their heads in shame after you have shot them down.
In short, fly more zekes if you are stressed with AH. It's more fun than you imagine.
Lapa
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Good stuff Lapa, right on the money.. thats the only TNB plane i'll fly. It never fails to surprise me how many lame spit drivers try to out turn you in a long drawn out flat turn, its halarious.. This tour ive been doing nothing but taking off from capped bases with it and killing vulchers. but last tour i flew it nearly all tour, great ride if you get into TNB, not my flavor of combat normaly.
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Originally posted by Am0n
Good stuff Lapa, right on the money.. thats the only TNB plane i'll fly. It never fails to surprise me how many lame spit drivers try to out turn you in a long drawn out flat turn, its halarious.. This tour ive been doing nothing but taking off from capped bases with it and killing vulchers. but last tour i flew it nearly all tour, great ride if you get into TNB, not my flavor of combat normaly.
I love the Zero for field defense. Last night I had an 8 kill sortie in the Zero, 5 of them Spitfires. You're right, too many Spit jocks try to stallfight with Zeros, and invariably, die. Let's hope that they don't catch on.....
My regards,
Widewing
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I've never had any problems outturning Zekes with my Spit V. However, I do believe that the Zero is a fun, underrated plane which deserves a better reputation than it's got. While I don't think it turns as well as most people think, its got very decent lethality, a reasonable ammo load, and above average survivability.
The most fun isn't outturning Spits in Zekes though. Everyone expects that. The most fun is outturning Zekes in a Spit. You know they weren't expecting that. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I've never had any problems outturning Zekes with my Spit V. However, I do believe that the Zero is a fun, underrated plane which deserves a better reputation than it's got. While I don't think it turns as well as most people think, its got very decent lethality, a reasonable ammo load, and above average survivability.
The most fun isn't outturning Spits in Zekes though. Everyone expects that. The most fun is outturning Zekes in a Spit. You know they weren't expecting that. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Well, if I had to square off against you and your Mk.V, I'd take the Zero.
You nailed me during one of my first sorties in AH about 12 days ago. I was flying a Mk.V too. I had just tangled with a P-47D-30 over my field, who managed to shoot out my left aileron in a B&Z pass. He went vertical, and I caught him at the top of his loop. As I rolled out, with barely 125 on the ASI, I spot you at my 9 o'clock high. Without that aileron, I know I can't roll worth a damn, so should you get behind me, I'm in trouble. So, as you come down, I try a desperation snap shot at a terrible angle. I missed. You worked your way behind me and all I could do was tighten my right-hand turn. We went into a Lufberry, spiralling downward. I was able to prevent you from pulling lead, but the ground was coming up fast. Since you were above me, I knew that I would have to ease my turn before you did. Finally, I tried a reverse, but my Spit would barely roll. Then, wham. :( Some time shortly thereafter, you switched to the Rooks, and I was able to fly with you rather than against you. That's one less Experten I needed to worry about.;)
It's always a pleasure to fly with you.
My regards,
Widewing
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If I'm fighting Leviathn, I only need one thing... a wingman! :D That's the only time I've ever recalled having shot him down. TeeeRex and I double dweebed him, and the word "overshot" was being used every 10-15 seconds on Roger Wilco on our end! I eventually got him after about 3 minutes of me and Teee switching roles as target and attacker. ;)
Point of the thread though... The Zeke is a fantastic plane low and slow. You can bore a BnZer to death, and you can pretty much spoil most E-fighters attempts too. This usually gets them frustrated enough to try and turn too hard to get you, and then you can eat them alive.
The Zeke guys are right, too many Spits try to stall fight the Zeke. Turning isn't always about the radius of the turn. A faster turn on a wider radius can beat a slower, but tighter turn. Too many Spit fliers just yank the stick back as far as they can in turning. Energy conservation is important in all planes at some point. ;)
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Its also one of the most durable fighters in AH. Fightin' Fireball -sen ;)
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Good post Lapa!
I typically have my worst K/D of all my regular rides, in the Zero, and I even fly the IL-2 and 109F a lot!. I can't resist flying that bird, I love it so! It works surprisingly well on GVs too.
eskimo
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#11- it can fly around all day smoking and flaming. Near P14 last night I saw a Zero fly around flaming long enough that I had to rtb for fuel and it was still going. Must be made out of asbestos.
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Reason to hate the Zero
1. By the time you get that impatient BnZ'er down low and slow enough that you can start picking him apart like chicken, someone on your team, invariably in an La-7, gives you a check six call and whizzes through your prey leaving nothing buy pieces in front of you.
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You mean it turns better than Spit V Lapa?..Hmm..Gonna have to check this thingy out next camp...:)
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#11: BANZAAAAAI!
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I just spent 10 minutes describing everything I dislike about the AH zeke and came to the conclusion that I dont really care. Was a time when I used to........
Srry
Y
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I just wanted to throw a big salute to lapa. I encountered him in his Zeke last night, and we had some epic fights. Definitely the most fun I've had in a long time against any type of plane. I just wish my fellow countrymen would have picked up my attempt to distract and drag on the second fight... instead they all took the opportunity to run away. :)
And Widewing and Nifty, thanks for the compliments. It's always a pleasure to fly with and against both of you as well.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Hehe..Right after I made my first reply to this thread,I logged on MA and tried a Zeke...Got some alt,saw an incoming Typhy,timed my interception just right and blew him to bits!..Who was it?..Lapa!!!..Hehe..Thanx for plane tip..:)
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Umm.. leviathn, did you happen to have film running by any chance? I didn't, I never bother to film my fights but those were some of the best fights I've had in AH. I'd love to have them stored on film.
And a big to you too.. I went from "yummy, a seafire" to "what the h#ll is happening here" real quick in the first fight.. should have guessed it was you at the start.
Lapa
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Burn Zero Burn!
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If I'm fighting leviathn i wanna be in a hog.
lazs
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#12 : it goes *pop* :D
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Originally posted by lapa
Umm.. leviathn, did you happen to have film running by any chance? I didn't, I never bother to film my fights but those were some of the best fights I've had in AH. I'd love to have them stored on film.
Unfortunately I didn't film those fights. I'll usually turn the film on for massive furballs, but one Zeke didn't seem to warrant wasting the hard drive space. That's too bad, because it would have been fun to see those fights again.
C'est la vie. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Tac is right about the flaming zeke thing.
They seem to go on forever when on fire. Maybe it's do do with the amount of wood/paper there is to burn.;)
Did have a fight with a zeke on film where i hit him and he began to flame, assuming he would soon blow up i let him be. He shot down 3 fighters before he went pop, they seem to flame for a lot longer than any other a/c. From now on when i see a flaming zeke i make sure it loses a wing before i leave:D
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Originally posted by thrila
Tac is right about the flaming zeke thing.
They seem to go on forever when on fire. Maybe it's do do with the amount of wood/paper there is to burn.;)
Did have a fight with a zeke on film where i hit him and he began to flame, assuming he would soon blow up i let him be. He shot down 3 fighters before he went pop, they seem to flame for a lot longer than any other a/c. From now on when i see a flaming zeke i make sure it loses a wing before i leave:D
Just the other day, I was flying a Zeke in a low level furball, and took a hit that started a huge conflaguration. Figuring I was toast anyway (literally), I worked my way behind my attacker and killed him. Only then did I head for the runway (still being heavily vulched), and landed before it exploded. Quite amazing if you ask me.
My regards,
Widewing