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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on January 28, 2002, 12:46:53 PM
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Haven't check the authenticity of this, but I'll throw it up as "food for thought"....
This is free information - take it as such.
Nothing is more frustrating to me than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. It turns out that some oil companies import a lot of middle eastern oil, while other companies do not.
I thought it might be interesting for Americans to know which companies DO and which DO NOT.
Here is the list:
Top 5 companies that DO import middle eastern oil (for period 9/1/00 to 8/31/01).
By the way, 86% of all mid-eastern oil comes from Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
Shell Oil 205.75 million barrels mid-eastern oil
Chevron/Texaco 144.33 " " " "
Exxon/Mobil 130.10 " " " "
Marathon 117.75 " " " "
BP/Amoco 62.25 " " " "
Here are 5 that DO NOT import mid-eastern oil:
Citgo
Sunoco
Conoco
Sinclair
Phillips
All of this information is available from DoE (Dept of Energy) and can
be easily documented. Refineries located in the U.S. are required to state where from they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report this on a monthly basis.
Keep this list in your car, share it with friends. Stop paying for terrorism.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who still have swords...
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Dead dinosaurs and trees?
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Thanks.. I'll keep using Chevron/Texaco if you don't mind. Maybe this should focus a tad bit more on who has the better refinement process and distributes the better fuel.
It should also mention what % of their distributed fuel is foreign or domestic.
It should also discuss just how much gas would cost if there weren't competing sources.
Personally, I'm hoping that Russia starts selling crude oil sometime soon. It would help drive the costs down and provide them with badly needed revenue.
AKDejaVu
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Yeah, didn't change my perspective on where I get my gas from either...still buy it from 76.
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how many barrles they import isn't much use if you don't know the total to figure the percentages.
but i'll still probly stick with texaco or chevron, the car just runs like crap on most others
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I get mine from the cheapest place I can find. They all make my car go vroom.
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As long as the octane ratings are the same. Gas, is gas. Additives do make a difference, to cleaning the combustion chamber, But you don't need them at every fill up. I buy the cheapest stuff I can find. Then get a tank of the over priced stuff about once every month or two.
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It really doesn't matter where the oil comes from.
If you don't buy Arab oil, and buy American oil instead, there is less US oil and more Arab oil on the market. Then when a South American, or European or Asian buys oil, he is more likely to get the Arab oil.
It might make you feel good, but it really doesn't accomplish anything.
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"Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who still have swords..."
Excellent, excellent!
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I work in drilling with exxonmobil, this data is absolutely useless, sorry Rip.
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Thanks Rip!!! I usually buy Citgo! Now a better reason to keep buying it!!! I knew I was helping in some way!!
:)
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From what I've seen on the news, and I assume that it's true (yeah I know... don't go there.)
Anyway... Think it was on CNN. They reported that Saudi Arabia exports 25% of its oil to the United States, but Saudi is not the largest supplier of oil to the U.S.
Canada is.
According to the report, the U.S. gets 35% of it's oil from Canada.
Right? Wrong?
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Originally posted by MrBill
"Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who still have swords..."
Excellent, excellent!
what the hell is a plowshare anyway?
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Currently Saudi Arabia is producing about 25% of the world oil. In 10-15 years that share is expected to increase to over 40% as the most of the western oil-drilling operations exhaust their reserves.
miko
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Personally, I'm hoping that Russia starts selling crude oil sometime soon. It would help drive the costs down and provide them with badly needed revenue.
Err... Where else do you think your current cheap gas price comes from? From Russia selling crude and driving the prices set by Arab dominated oil producer organisation down.
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Err... Where else do you think your current cheap gas price comes from? From Russia selling crude and driving the prices set by Arab dominated oil producer organisation down.
Curent cheap gas price? You're talking about someplace else... cause that's not around here.
I'd heard they'd discovered some vast oil fields in Siberia, but the pipeline was not in place yet. I can't say I've heard any discovery dates vs timetables.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by miko2d
Currently Saudi Arabia is producing about 25% of the world oil. In 10-15 years that share is expected to increase to over 40% as the most of the western oil-drilling operations exhaust their reserves.
miko
That's why we need to drill in Alaska. Who keers 'bout the environment. Lil oil spill never hurt nobody.
;)
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Originally posted by hblair
That's why we need to drill in Alaska. Who keers 'bout the environment. Lil oil spill never hurt nobody.;)
Saudi Arabia has vast reserves that can be exploited for many decades at their current rate at the lowest exploration/drilling cost and extraction cost of about $1 per barrel.
The Alaskan oil reserves are very small in comparison and that oil will cost a lot to get and to pump. It looks like if we use the Alaskan oil to produce 7% of our (US) consumption, it will only last for a couple of decades.
Anyway, the concept of cheap oil is very deceptive. Once you factor in the cost of politics and military presence, ecology, etc - it may be much higher.
As for Alaska, we may just as well drill it and let the whole area go to waste. Nobody lives there and whoever does is likely to get filthy rich.
Russians method of oil extraction are nothing short of ecological disaster anyway affecting much greater area.
It would be nice to preserve pieces of the planet in the original state as a museum exibits, but with the Earth population growing towards 10-14 bil before it is hoped to stabilize, we will shortly not care about such trifles.
miko
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I'd heard they'd discovered some vast oil fields in Siberia, but the pipeline was not in place yet. I can't say I've heard any discovery dates vs timetables.
AKDejaVu
Khm. Well... Don't know how to start....
It's incredible.
JFYI: USSR/Russia exports oil for about 30 years. Oil fields in Siberia were discovered decades ago. Pipelines were built in 70s. Now they research great oil fields discovered in Arctic Ocean, aroud Novaya Zamlya.
Hint: Russian oil in the oil market is called "urals".
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I know that Russia has and sells oil. I know this has been going on for some time.
I'm saying I've heard of recent discoveries that would greatly increase their output... making them a viable contender for top spots in the global oil market.
Sheesh. So much read into a simple statement.
AKDejaVu
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Sheesh. So much read into a simple statement.
Use ":)"? It helps sometimes?;)
As for the the prices - the barrel of crude went down from ~ $27 to under $20 a few months back driving the prices at the pumps down with it after Russia refused to cut the production. Last I've heard the was some agreement reached to "align" production levels but here in the UK we're still paying less than last year, probably not for long. 1 litre of UL cost ~69p (~$1) that's quite a drop from ~75p/litre last year (£45/tank vs £49/tank).