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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Apache on January 28, 2002, 03:01:24 PM
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…the obnoxious, the arrogant, the elitists, the fool hardy, the vile, the hateful tempered, the irreverent, and the disrespectful.
I now squelch everything I can and mentally squelch what I can’t, save my squad channel. When we fire up RW, I even blank that out too.
I consider myself a vet of AH. I paid my dues, even when we had nothing much to speak about and players from other sims laughed and berated. I was paying my dues when some had a reduced rate, yet I kept on chugging along, kept my mouth shut and enjoyed myself.
Heck, I can’t even do that anymore. This past weekend I was told I suck by one fellow and was called a handsomehunk by 2 others. Even when I started out online in the mid-nineties and those monikers may have applied; I was never made to suffer such public humiliation. Had I began the discourse, I would remain silent, however, I said nothing to provoke.
I do what I can if I see someone in trouble but it’s not my responsibility if you are in a situation you can’t get out of. I’m doing my best not to get there myself, rather well too I might add. :D
Continue on with your rants and raving. Some folks behaviour disgusts me. I ain’t listening anymore.
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but you do suck.
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hehe, I needed that DJ, thanks :)
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Originally posted by Apache
…the obnoxious, the arrogant, the elitists, the fool hardy, the vile, the hateful tempered, the irreverent, and the disrespectful.
In other words....people.
handsomehunk...:D (J/K)
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As a 'beta' vet I agree with DejaVu that you do suck.
But then again we all suck, it's called breathing.
The ones that bother me are the Human ShopVacs that never exhale.
I've found myself spending only about two hours online in the last couple of weeks, due in a large degree to the incoherant spew of text that flows across my monitor on ch.1
Hope HTC does sumthin' soon.
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Originally posted by Apache
…the obnoxious, the arrogant, the elitists, the fool hardy, the vile, the hateful tempered, the irreverent, and the disrespectful.
So, we've transgressed into Warbirds? ;)
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come to the CT ;)
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Originally posted by buhdman
come to the CT ;)
buhdman. To be honest, I have given that alot of consideration. Especially after this weekend.
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Not the irreverent!!!! Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
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A few lines of code for a permanent squelch list would go a long way.
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Honestly I just don't care what someone, who I've never met and problably never will types at me on the AH channels. That being said...I've been spending a fair bit of time in the CT. And I can honestly say that the caliber of gentlemen and gentlewomen there is quite refreshing.
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Give it (AH) a few months to mellow out. We have always had some real snorkcocklers in the game, what with the two week free trial anyone can get in, but the real chorksnorcklers tend to rid us of themselves pretty consistently.
A squelch list with some teeth (at least 30 days)
would sure make the overall experience of CH.1 a bit more enjoyable.
Y
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Originally posted by Thrawn
I've been spending a fair bit of time in the CT. And I can honestly say that the caliber of gentlemen and gentlewomen there is quite refreshing.
The voice was low, soft, almost a whisper:
“Come to the CT...”
The breeze carried it away, then wafted it back again:
“Come to the CT...”
“Come to the CT....”
- oldman
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Apache:
I don't agree. But not because I don't lament the behavior I see and hear at times. Hell, at times I am guilty of it too; especially late at night and I have been imbibing and there are one or more loudmouths up (like the one(s) you described).
I don't agree that they are winning and that the sim is losing to them. I have been flying flight sims since 1995, not here nor at WB. Where I flew there was a haughty attitude much like there is in AH, among participants. There were the CH1 loudmouths and whiners just like here. But the community drew a line as to what kind of behavior went beyond the pale. IMO AH isn't quite there yet.
Two Fridays ago there was a guy up who was spewing trash like I had never seen before, and he seemed to be getting support for it. Some had tried to get him to stop but IMO they were halfhearted attempts...easier just to squelch him I guess.
I joined in for a bit and attempted to harrass him to stop but it was useless so, after a while I too squelched him. Thing is, I felt bad for my behavior, I knew it was beneath me to do that. But that guy didnt win, he made an bellybutton out of himself. I think it was clear to all at the time but, ...it was easier to just squelch him. Hehe, maybe thats the answer ;)
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But then again we all suck, it's called breathing.
The ones that bother me are the Human ShopVacs that never exhale.
ROFL! Nice riposte' !
Two Fridays ago there was a guy up who was spewing trash like I had never seen before, and he seemed to be getting support for it. Some had tried to get him to stop but IMO they were halfhearted attempts...easier just to squelch him I guess.
I joined in for a bit and attempted to harrass him to stop but it was useless so, after a while I too squelched him. [/b]
And that, my friend, along with a 'no credit card required' free ride with a low, low 15 dollah monthly rate is how the premier flight sim, with the best graphics model and flight physics available has become the most annoying experience of my leisure time life. I can't even imagine golf being this bad.
'No skill, no money, no life? Come fly AH all day for free for two weeks without a C/C, enjoy yerself while being an bellybutton at the expense of the regular folks' enjoyment and be somebody for awile.'
Sigh. CT is it now.. the main sucks hind tit.
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Hangtime.
Could you please tell me how to do split quotes like that? Where you quote a bit of post, comment, then quote another bit, etc.?
Thanks in advance.
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Last night while watching the Eagles game the conversation turned to Gaming. I told them i fly a WW2 flight symulator and quickly fired up AH...... only to see the Horror on the faces of my friends as they read the Channel 1 buffer. Well theres 2 people that will never try AH, free or not.
NUTTZ
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Yep, I've grown a bit weary of the MA scene. It's like a rolling furball with Turrette's.
The CA is indeed the answer. Great bunch of folks. Good plane match ups. Interesting terrain.
It's what is keeping me flying in AH
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Just puttin’ in my $.02 where I probably shouldn’t :)
I have been flyin in on-line flight sims for about 4 years now. This is my first WWII sim, and man, the fast rugged planes, BIG guns, blackouts, flaps, wheels that retract, only one wing, no wires, guns that don’t jam, soooo much to learn…
But I digress, where was I?????
Oh, yeh. Heh, ah, well there seems to be common threads from which the tapestry of human behavior is woven. (Whatever THAT means)
Note that in the following, I use the word ‘Tendency” that means many, but of course not all.
In the flight sims I have been in, gang banging was the norm. Seldom would you get a one on one with a worthy foe. (And when I did, I usually walked back to base with my… ah… er private parts in a paper bag LOL! ) There be a lot of truly great pilots in the AKs, yours truly not being one of them. Pilots tend to smell blood like sharks, and dive in.
There is a tendency to use the abnormalities caused by net-lag to a persons advantage, whether that be deliberately causing collisions on the other pilots FE, or causing your plane to behave erratically (stick stirring) on the others FE.
There is a tendency to shoot HO or at any angle that will give you a chance to do damage.
Some tend to take offense to others behavior, or just plain choose to be obnoxious. Some of these are 7 year olds, some just act 7 years old. ;)
I on the other hand tend to be an arrogant, pompous, opinionated, and self-centered jack-prettythang. Pretty fine traits for a fighter pilot if you ask me! :D Er, but you didn’t ask me did you? :(
There are of course those individuals who maintain a high degree of morality in the arena, and thank God for those truly find competitors.
So what I see in the MA, seems to pretty “normal” for an arena full of varieties of human nature.
BTW does anyone besides me think we should add chain saws to the arena?
AK (Where did I put my boxcutter) Eagle+
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HEAR HEAR!!
I'm spending my time in the CT. Much better crowd.
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CH1--that is, the moaning, whining, complaining, bragging--is what makes AH what it is. AH is about people. Sometimes you see good, sometimes you see bad. A game like AH, where emotions run high, will always have a certain amount of "questionable" behavior. However, this emotion is the heart and sould of AH, NOT a problem that needs to be eliminated. Take away the hate, the anger, the shame, and all you're left with is a sterile lifeless shell of a product. Personally, I think the AH community by and large is better now than ever before.
Those who squelch 1 (or 2) are taking away the point of a multiplayer game. Multiplayer gaming is about people--interaction and communication between lots of people. If you're squelching the radio you're essentially taking away the part of AH that you're paying for--access to hunderds of other players. If you continually squelch the radio, you might want to re-consider what you're here for and perhaps look at other options.
The text buffer IS Aces High; the flightsim is just the "meeting place".
Gotta take the good with the bad :)
J_A_B
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interesting:... "We're losing our sim...".
Who's WE ?
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"Who's WE ?"
I'm assuming he means anyone who finds the half-wit channel 1 commentary more colorful than Dennis Leary doing stand-up on HBO and less intelligent than a man with an IQ of 50 before he had a full frontal lobatomy.
If that's the case, you can count me in with Apache.. and that makes "we".
-SW
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At this point it seems only a two tiered pricing system; where access to the CT would cost at least twice the access fee to the MA; would satisfy the needs of the CT community. At current pricing levels, just about anyone can afford to fly AH; and it's obvious that that leads to a decline in social standards and skill levels.
The extra cost could well finance the additional features demanded by the more discerning hard core CT type of player and which would be wasted on the dweeb fest that forms the heart of the $14,99 all-you-can-eat crowd.
The MA could devolve to some kind of cheap rate RR arena and left to wither on the vine; and as the higher revenue CT players would be shouldering a proportionaly greater burden of development financing; it's only fair they should see some return for their loyalty.
Who knows, with the right social screening, we may even be able to run a functional and representative scenario with out these quake heads trying to re-write history; and we could free resources wasted on purile non-historic events.
Right, Oldman? :)
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Why are there more defenders for rude behavior then those demanding an arena where Sportsmanship is the norm?
Verbal abuse is not a right of personal freedom, but a choice.
Is human decency to much to ask?
There is another way, believe it or not.
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Originally posted by Virage
Is human decency to much to ask?
Apparently it is. As for the other way, I would like to what you think it is.
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J_A_B, you are joking....right?
It does not take much self control and just a little education to make comments in a civil manner while typing.
Where you seem to consider squelching 1 giving up a part of your online experience, I consider squelching 1 an enhancement of mine and squelching 6 is almost as good.
Virage, unfortunately, yes, it is too much to ask from many people, here and everywhere.
The WE wlfgng, are the guys who have been hanging around here since first beta.
Although I never considered it "our" sim I have seen the caliber of verbal exchange deteriorate in the main arena and that reflects on all who play on this playground.
So, if the offenders, and they know....well most of them know who they are, some are too ignorant to realize they are, happen to read this topic....CLEAN IT UP!
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"It's like a rolling furball with Turrette's. " LOL
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Originally posted by J_A_B
CH1--that is, the moaning, whining, complaining, bragging--is what makes AH what it is. AH is about people. Sometimes you see good, sometimes you see bad. A game like AH, where emotions run high, will always have a certain amount of "questionable" behavior. However, this emotion is the heart and sould of AH, NOT a problem that needs to be eliminated. Take away the hate, the anger, the shame, and all you're left with is a sterile lifeless shell of a product. Personally, I think the AH community by and large is better now than ever before.
Those who squelch 1 (or 2) are taking away the point of a multiplayer game. Multiplayer gaming is about people--interaction and communication between lots of people. If you're squelching the radio you're essentially taking away the part of AH that you're paying for--access to hunderds of other players. If you continually squelch the radio, you might want to re-consider what you're here for and perhaps look at other options.
The text buffer IS Aces High; the flightsim is just the "meeting place".
Gotta take the good with the bad :)
J_A_B
I'm going to have to disagree here. I squelch CH1 habitually. I have no interest in getting harrassed because I shot someone down. I have no interest in hearing people constantly whine *about* getting shot down. And furthermore CH1 is full of chat that is generally not important to my gameplay. I get plenty of multiplayer interaction on CH2 and my squad CH thank you ;). I assure you the only thing I am missing by continually squelching CH1 is irritation. I put up with CH1 in AW and at first I put up with it in AH. Now it takes on average under 5 minutes from the time I log in for me to see something on CH1 that reminds me to squelch it. Just my .02 . :)
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Prolly being one of the older participants here ( puts melba toast back in the bowl of milk he was soaking it in) opppps denture fewl outd hold one..... Ok that's better. Anyway being a bit older, and hopefully wiser (in my case that is debatable) don't let anyone ruin your fun.
I disregard the idiotic comments, the chest beating, the excuses,the whines (did I forget anything???)
Fly what you want to fly. And also realize the only way you got shot down was you placed yourself into postion to be shot down! I figured that one out alllllll by myself. So if ya gets angry, get mad at yourself not the other guy!
Enjoy the game, do what you want it's your money! Look at the idiotic comments as an expression of ignorance on someone elses part, and totally ignore them.
Do the talking with your joystick....not with your mouth! And last but not least Have Fun!
That's what the game is about, and why you pay for it!
(back and knees creak as he steps down from soapbox)
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…the obnoxious, the arrogant, the elitists, the fool hardy, the vile, the hateful tempered, the irreverent, and the disrespectful.
.... and that is exactly why I squelch the squad channel!
Hooligan
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I have a question for the "CH1 squelchers"--If you squelch CH 1 always, then why are you paying for AH? I'm not trying to seem rude, I just want your point of view.
IMO the PEOPLE, the radio buffer--those 3 lines of text--is what makes AH special. AH the flightsim cannot compare to the likes of IL2. However, AH the game provides something no stand-alone product can--interaction between large numbers of real people. THAT is what your money is providing that a free (1 time purshase) can't.
I don't mind the "rude" behavior. In fact, I think the calls to "be civilized" are well-meaning but misguided. Why should someone flying a wargame with bombs and guns and chute shooters say "Gee thanks you good old chap, I so enjoy being shot down by Bish blokes like yourself". Stupid, isn't it? Trash-talking is part of AH as much as airplanes are.
In fact, next month I may try to entice such behavior somewhat by bringing back an old feature of AW....I will (if I remember) advertise the handle of every kill on CH1. That was great for stoking the hate! A lot of people despise seeing their name in the buffer "Pilot XXX shot down".
I get no greater satisfaction than seeing the whines of someone I shot down, the "you're a cheating hacker ganging sumbiatch" and so on. Those comments directed at me are IMO representative of a job well done. Likewise, when I vent online, I do it on the squad channel just so the enemy doesn't get the satisfaction of seeing it (fuggin ganger bishrooks).
As for the suggestion that the "trashtalking" drives away customers.....that's BS. Games like CS and Everquest and UT thrive in an environment which makes AH's flames look like a kiddie pool. AH is INCREDIBLY tame compared to most popular games. Actually it's so sterile at times it's almost boring. There ARE elements of the AH community that may drive some players away, but it isn't the trash-talkers (cough: its the "no tolerance realism elite" crowd :cough).
J_A_B
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LOL, Your post title scared the heck out of me. Thought I was going to read some horror story of Electronic Arts buying AH from Hitech Creations! The former AW crowd knows about what EA does to Flight Sims.
Speaking of the subject at hand, one just needs to pity those that take AH (or any game too seriously). You know the type:
Success at AH = success at life.
Whether I get shot down or shoot someone else down, still a great game and having a lot of fun :)
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Originally posted by Tjay
Hangtime.
Could you please tell me how to do split quotes like that? Where you quote a bit of post, comment, then quote another bit, etc.?
Thanks in advance.
Tjay, it is a very simple process - just make sure anything you want to quote has QUOTE (in square brackets) before it /QUOTE (also in square brackets) after it. You can then type your comments between each quoted section. Does that make sense? :confused: One thing about these forums is if something doesn't work out right, you can go back and edit it, and play around until it does! :)
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I miss most of the talk on the text buffer because I am always too busy flying. I don't spend $15 a month for something I can get in a chat room for free. Just seems like a waste of time and money to pay to fly, then spend most of your time typing.
People in my squad, I'll talk to. In a mission, I'll ask a few questions.
But don't pass up the best advice, entered by Hajo:
Do the talking with your joystick, not your mouth. And last but not least, Have Fun!
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I have a question for the "CH1 squelchers"--If you squelch CH 1 always, then why are you paying for AH? I'm not trying to seem rude, I just want your point of view.[/b]
I think you have answered your own question. Some people simply don't care to listen to or interact with rude obnoxious people. There are plenty of folks who still believe in common decency to interact with...thats why I pay for AH.
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JAB,
You are getting ripped off bud, theres free chat rooms all over the internet!!!
Well me personally are here because i know that the enemy AC´s have an real person piloting it and not an AI....
The WE wlfgng, are the guys who have been hanging around here since first beta.
Well that is djust an Elitist quote right there. I´m 100% sure there are new guys to AH wich dont think ch 1 is nice just like the "vetrinarians".
Well im for everything thats brings more people into the CT so i have to say : No permanent squelch list!! :D
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I think J_A_B has a pretty good point.
Last night I squelched 1 because I got sick of
AKNimitz's ranting about stick stirrers. But then
after I shot a couple of chutes, I really missed
out on watching for their reaction in the text
buffer.
So I plan not to squelch 1 anymore. Pissing
people off by shooting them down, getting pissed
sometimes when I get shot down, and striving to
bring these emotions under control is a great deal
of what I enjoy about AH.
Outflying someone, then seeing them squeal on ch 1
is much more rewarding than merely getting a kill
message.
anRky
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This reminds me of that time that I was called a "niggah" for shooting down the wrong guy back in beta. At least he did it on private channel though! :)
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...it's obvious that that leads to a decline in social standards...
Wow, classy comment... not.
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"I think you have answered your own question. Some people simply don't care to listen to or interact with rude obnoxious people. There are plenty of folks who still believe in common decency to interact with...thats why I pay for AH."
Bingo! That's a bullseye Aztec.
IMO part of the problem is some people can't differentiate normal adult social interaction from the sh&t that many people are fed up with have been talking about. These people twist it around to make it sound that if you want the vulgarity and other lame "spewage" gone that you must not want any social interaction at all. Far from it.
Westy
p.s. Strider, the community "over there" did not dictate what the online behavior was. The online behavior expected was set by the TOS and gameops. With no TOS or GOPS AWC was worse than AH has ever been. And it would have been worse in AW3 without the heavily enforced TOS and many GOPS to see that it was.
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Maniac, it is indeed an elitist statement....when tossed up by itself totally devoid of context.
J_A_B, to reply to your question:
While you enjoy the Ch1 trash talking and consider it a part of the value you receive for your 15 bucks, some people just do not.
If you and I buy a hamburger and arrive at the junk )easier to spell than condiments) counter at the same time and you load yours up with everything there and I just toss on some salt and pepper is my hamburger experience less than yours?
I usually squelch 1 on entry to the arena and then squelch 6.
You need or want the social interaction, I do not.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I have a question for the "CH1 squelchers"--If you squelch CH 1 always, then why are you paying for AH? I'm not trying to seem rude, I just want your point of view.
*snip*
As for the suggestion that the "trashtalking" drives away customers.....that's BS. Games like CS and Everquest and UT thrive in an environment which makes AH's flames look like a kiddie pool. AH is INCREDIBLY tame compared to most popular games. Actually it's so sterile at times it's almost boring. There ARE elements of the AH community that may drive some players away, but it isn't the trash-talkers (cough: its the "no tolerance realism elite" crowd :cough).
J_A_B
I'm not paying to hear that garbage. At base its cowardly. I just don't understand where its suddenly acceptible to conduct oneself a certain way online whereas to do so offline, person to person, would likely result in that person eating their next meal from a straw. Point being that in some online environments certain folks seem to think its ok to apply standards different than what they would use in a face to face encounter. That's just cowardly and wrong imo. This game isn't that intense that such behavior is even remotely warranted. There's a whole lot of day to day activities that make AH pale in comparisson and we manage to do them with a level of respect and decency. There's no reason that shouldn't be the case here.
Insofar as other games being far worse, that isn't at all the case from my experience. At one point UO was, long ago. For the most part it isn't anymore. Try that talk in EQ or DAoC and if the person your talking to is on the ball they'll have the text logged, and auto-forwarded to the GM's. Your account will be banned at minimum for 24 hours. Spew enough and you'll likely lose the account entirely (something I'm completely in favour of). AH is far worse than any of the larger titles at present, so much so that its almost incomparible. I see more garbage online in AH in 30 minutes than I would in a week playing EQ or DAoC, as examples.
And most importantly, there isn't anything anywhere that mentioned this game being R-Rated. I have enough respect for fellow players, and their kids that may be playing/watching, to keep my comments civil. Others clearly do not. That's a shame. Not a surprise mind you, but a shame.
Vortex
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Originally posted by Sunchaser
I usually squelch 1 on entry to the arena and then squelch 6.
You need or want the social interaction, I do not.
I don't think it's social interaction--for me, it is survival--w/ country and squad channels, adding ch 1 & 6 insures I'll miss something (like being reminded to open bomb doors on jabo) and if I keep the text bar open all the way, it's distracting and I run into stuff. Or be reading and laughing when all of the sudden (ping) I'm standing in the tower.... ;)
This game sure is hard.
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Soon the whole MA moves to the CT, sure that will solve the problem, ;)
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doesn't the CT have enough high strung, thin skinned people who think they are better than everyone else allready?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
doesn't the CT have enough high strung, thin skinned people who think they are better than everyone else allready?
lazs
Uh, yeah. Nice troll/hijack combo.
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>>>>If you're squelching the radio you're essentially taking away the part of AH that you're paying for--access to hunderds of other players. If you continually squelch the radio, you might want to re-consider what you're here for and perhaps look at other options.
The text buffer IS Aces High; the flightsim is just the "meeting place".
Gotta take the good with the bad <<<<<<
Not with my money. I also don't need to re-think my estimation of the behavior of others, that too is part of human nature. And for me this flightsim is not a meeting place, it is a place I come to compete, not have beers or coffee and shoot the breeze. I have plenty of other outlets for that. No reconsideration is required for me, I know what I'm doing here and what I want/intend to get out of the game.
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Lazs....
Am I high strung and thin skinned because I would like my son or daughters to be able to watch me fly without them reading profanity or other trash on Channel 1?
Or, do you feel as others do, that I should accept the standard of those who have no respect for myself or my kids and should just be quiet and let my kids see whatever they choose to feed us over channel 1?
Personally, I have learned over the years, to ignore ch 1. There is nothing I care to read or say other than the comms on my countries channel or my squads channel. Having said that, I do not allow my children to watch over my shoulder for the very reasons brought up in the original post and that is unfortunate.
(http://www.13thtas.com/rudesig.jpg)
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Originally posted by Vortex
I just don't understand where its suddenly acceptible to conduct oneself a certain way online whereas to do so offline, person to person, would likely result in that person eating their next meal from a straw. Point being that in some online environments certain folks seem to think its ok to apply standards different than what they would use in a face to face encounter. That's just cowardly and wrong imo. This game isn't that intense that such behavior is even remotely warranted. There's a whole lot of day to day activities that make AH pale in comparisson and we manage to do them with a level of respect and decency. There's no reason that shouldn't be the case here.
Vortex
Agree. Totally.
Well said.
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Why do games insist on having transmissions possible between countries anyhow? With the numbers of people online now, you shouldn't have any problems finding someone to chat with on the country ch. Ch1 is and always will be a smack talk channel. Get rid of it altogether and most of our problems laid out in this tread would be solved.
Just my opinion by the way.
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Originally posted by lazs2
doesn't the CT have enough high strung, thin skinned people who think they are better than everyone else allready?
lazs
Certainly not! There's always a need for more greyhounds, isn't there?
More on topic: What I don't understand is why anyone would WANT to type this sort of language into the buffer? Does it make him feel more manly? Or proud to show the rest of us that he knows such words?
- oldman
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rude.. have you considered a handle change man? I mean, rudeness has passed you by. Look... I don't swear at people online and I figure that i can usually hold my own with those dumb enough to have to resort to that. Believe it or not... I don't type anything here or in the MA that I wouldn't say to someone in person under the same set of circumstances. I guess in the end... it really isn't our call. our kids and minors aren't paying for the sim... we are not paying for them to look over our shoulder... I would prefer not top see any profanity in the game if I were running the show.... simply because it lacks wit if nothing else and those who use it in the MA are not usually worthy verbal sparing partners in any case.... no challenge but..... I am not in charge. I will defer to HTC's judgment.
thrawn... I was responding to a thread hijacker.... not the same thing as actually hijacking the thread. I'm sure that even you can see the difference now that has been explained to you?
lazs
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Vortex
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I'm not paying to hear that garbage. At base its cowardly. I just don't understand where its suddenly acceptible to conduct oneself a certain way online whereas to do so offline, person to person, would likely result in that person eating their next meal from a straw. Point being that in some online environments certain folks seem to think its ok to apply standards different than what they would use in a face to face encounter.
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Acceptable or not, that's the way it is. And the
only people who are capable of doing anything
about it in AH is HTC themselves.
The important thing, online, or in real life, is
not to let people who spout garbage push your
buttons. Instead, the thing to do is to realize
that *you've* pushed *thier* buttons--and not
through what you've said, but by just playing
the game.
Spouting off on ch 1 shows a lack of self control,
but then again, so does letting what someone
*says* in anger affect you in such a negative way.
Laugh it off. Maybe write HTC, and let them know
you don't approve. But don't let *them* affect
*your* fun. Or even better--keep shooting them
down, pushing their buttons, and have fun at their
expense.
anRky
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yep anarky... it is very satisfying to push these buffoons over the edge and give the whole arena a laugh. gunman 26 comes to mind.
lazs
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"Point being that in some online environments certain folks seem to think its ok to apply standards different than what they would use in a face to face encounter."
Sure, there's a lot of unacceptable crap in the MA, the cussing "I'm going to hunt you down and kill you and rape your wife and burn your house down you *&^*^!!" personal attacks are totally inappropriate. However, trash-talking (you just ganged me dickhead) is perfectly normal.
When I play BB or pool or playstation or anything with my friends, we most definately DO call each other names as we win or lose. Sometimes we even get a bit mad at each other. When I beat someone at a game, I most definately will get a "f__k you cheater you suck" in response. That's part of the nature of competition. The trash-talking in AH is no different than that. Unlike some people here, I don't take these comments the wrong way; I don't take them personally. If you're an overly sensitive "care bear" of a person, then you shouldn't be playing competative games.
It's not wrong or unacceptable or out of place. It's people blowing off steam. Nothing more, nothing less.
J_A_B
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"When I beat someone at a game, I most definately will get a "f__k you cheater you suck" in response. That's part of the nature of competition."
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was the nature of crude adolescents. Then again, maybe online gaming IS the realm of crude adolescents now. Didn't used to be.
That said, I am not offended by such remarks, just kind of amazed that anyone would go to the trouble to TYPE it. For the truly verbose -- crude or otherwise -- squelch works just fine.
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hehe.. my "who is WE" post was made somewhat in jest.
IMO there IS a lot more inane banter on ch1.. and I"ve been in the sim quite a long time..
however.. I don't think of the sim (or any sim) as 'OURS'.
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Apache!!!
I agree totally with what you are saying. Sometimes I get frustrated and irritated with some things, but I can't fly with channel 1 on now because most of it is just garbage. As for losing this sim to others....No, I don't think so. I know there are still guys like you, Hangtime, Lephturn, Dinger, Swagger, Yeager, Citabria (Sometimes he let's you fly a few defensive moves before he shoots you down so you don't feel completely helpless), etc.
Of course, many of the people I remember from Open Beta and the people who typically fly with respect for others (Just a 'feeling' on my part, not saying I can explain it) are flying the CT now. I have always preferred the CT from a historical stand point, so I must say I prefer it to the MA out of personal preference anyway. However, I also have trouble flying with 400 people in the MA now, due to my connection, but I am glad to see HTC reaching that kind of success.
But I know many of the people I respect are still here and as much as there are many new comers who sort of take the fun out of the MA, I would also like to say, so it doesn't get lost in the din, that there are also many new people in AH from AW and FA who are here to have a good time like us without spoiling it. But it seems to get lost that many of these people are good to fly with and against when it doesn't take many 'mouths' to ruin it for everyone.
I'll probably see you in the CT or the ToD's (ToD's Rock!!!) :)
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Personally, I'd like to see more people key mapping ch.1 to Alt-F4 :eek:
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Originally posted by J_A_B
I have a question for the "CH1 squelchers"--If you squelch CH 1 always, then why are you paying for AH? I'm not trying to seem rude, I just want your point of view.
J_A_B
You’re kidding right? I do not religiously squelch 1, in fact I hardly ever do, but some times I do. Mainly the reason that I don’t is to throw the occasional , and “good fight!” comments.
I pay my $15 to fly against a live person rather than a bot. I’m amazed you think of AH as a chat program with a bunch of pretty planes moving about. I’m slowly starting to understand where you’re coming from. Sped a lot of time on the phone and going shopping do ya?
Zippatuh
Oops, I think that last line may be considered trash talk. Funny though, I didn’t see any cursing or direct insults, hmmmm.
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"...I have a question for the "CH1 squelchers"--If you squelch CH 1 always, then why are you paying for AH? I'm not trying to seem rude, I just want your point of view....".
I pay to FLY against lots of people, not chat with them. If channel 1 is your means of social intercourse, you really need to get out more often.
P.S. Right now because of player number limitations, I don't think of IL2 as an alternative to AH.
bowser
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Originally posted by lazs2
I'm sure that even you can see the difference now that has been explained to you?
lazs
God Lazs, you're such as sad individual. Cripes, go out and have some fun or something.
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Last time I checked 'talking trash' to a guy that could kick your bellybutton was an invitation to that bellybutton kickin. Society was NEVER more polite than it was when folks walked around with a pistol dangling from their hip.
This 'Talking Trash' bullcrap is a recent development brought about by the development of our Politicly Correct 'polite' society.. one thats NOT armed, and depends on a third party (such as the police or a big brother) for protection. All the whining lil diaper draggin dickeaded kids used to hiding behind a computer screen or school monitor seem to think trash talk is 'kewl'... trash talk me in person, and yer gonna wind up staring out yer amazinhunk at your proctologists glove covered big finger.
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Westy:
I see what you are saying and know which period you are talking about. However, the TOS wouldn't have been nearly as effective if there hadn't been some tacit approval and support for it from the people. I am specifically referring to the betas 2 and 3. In my recollection beta 2 was far worse than 3, and it was the community that handled the situation and clamored to the people in charge to do something about the guys involved. Hehe, remember a guy named B17? No, not the B17 of AW 3 fame but the one during beta 2. One night we ALL made the boy cry. The folks in charge followed up and he was banned along with all of his 3 or 4 accounts; never heard from that guy again.
As the notion grew it became more formalized. There was even a member of CAF who was one. Hell, I got chastised a couple of times but, they were good reminders for me when I got too hot headed about something. In the heat of it, I recall I didnt like it but, I accepted that he was doing it for the good of us all. There were other issues which were emphasised by the community, specifically regarding the spin move; now that was a violation which was enforced because the community wanted it enforced. This was an attitude bought into by most; if a person didnt like it, he could leave. I don't think we have different meanings here.
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I am amazed at the capabilities of the people in this sim! :)
No wonder I get my butt kicked so easily. :(
I mean, here I am, checking 6, 3, 9, 6 high, 12 high, 3 high, 9 high, checking air speed, flaps settigns, engine temp, did I leave wep on? Gear up? Where is my wingman? Is he in trouble? What’s my alt?, how many bogeys and at what alt, where is my egress route?, check 6, 3 9, 6 high, 12 high, 3 high, 9 high, how much ammo n fuel do I have left, reading squad comms and local comms for battle info. And my SA still sux.
I am in pure amazement that people can do all that and more, and still bother to read Channel 1!
Beyond my capabilities that’s for sure :(
AKEagle+
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All the whining lil diaper draggin dickeaded kids used to hiding behind a computer screen or school monitor seem to think trash talk is 'kewl'... trash talk me in person, and yer gonna wind up staring out yer amazinhunk at your proctologists glove covered big finger.
Heh, Hang, are you talkin trash behind a computer? :eek:
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Lets set up a mud wrestling event at the next CON to settle the scores between people that need to call eachother names on ch1.
Somebody needs to keep track of it though and make sure all involved turn up on the CON.
I hope some women call me names , :D
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Re: We're losing our sim to...
Originally posted by Apache
…the obnoxious, the arrogant, the elitists, the fool hardy, the vile, the hateful tempered, the irreverent, and the disrespectful.
Dude. Us LW's are still a minority. But we're working on it. You sucking allied peasant farmboy cow-shagger.
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Originally posted by J_A_B
[B When I beat someone at a game, I most definately will get a "f__k you cheater you suck" in response. That's part of the nature of competition.
J_A_B [/B]
You REALLY need to get some new friends :)
It's the 72nd hole of the 2002 Masters.. Tiger Woods is tied with Phil Mickelson for the lead. Woods has a curling downhill 30 footer to take the title. He strokes the ball, it curves sweetly into the cup.
The crowd cheers ... Mickelson approaches Tiger, flattens him with a right cross and screams "F_ck you cheater you suck".
Ahh, sportsmanship :)
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lol Jekyll. Colorful imagery :D
Rgr all that Strider. Many different factors come in to play as to why AW had less of what we're experiencing of late. Folks could not get far out of line as the GOP's or Kesmai folks would nip it the bud as well as the community for sure.
Part of the reason IMO that we have this problem in AH today is that it tooka couple of months for some people to be aware that their behavior online goes pretty much unnoticed by HTC. Online behavior has only REALLY gotten bad recently with the only thing these folks have to fear is tripping up when one of the HTC crew is online or someone to send in a screen shot.
IMO the way to go is to have a log running on channel one. Then any problem is preserved in black and white for HTC to use as a basis for issuing warnings or other action.
Westy
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Perminent squelch feature, also optional language filter on the client side would cure these problems. But theres always going to be some new 2 weeker comming in talking smack.
i know a lot of you people dont enjoy seeing all the slander, i my self dont care either way, so thats why it should be on the client side IMO.
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Rude Laz is a fuggin idiotic wanger(edited for kids :))
:D
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Heh, Hang, are you talkin trash behind a computer? :eek:
wellll..... ummm... yah, I guess so.
But I'm still the biggest, meanest mutha fucah in this room, and i drop-kick my cats bellybutton clean across the apartment almost every night, lest the lil toejam ferget just who's the daddy round here.
(I gotta do it quietly tho... don't wanna piss off the old midget livin downstairs.)
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Fortunately, I can't read fast enough and fly at the same time. Some will say I can't fly period. :::Evidenced in the smoke trailing behind my A/C:::, so I squelch CH 1. I have found the CH 1 in the CT to be pretty civil. Even when you get blasted, it is usually followed by a
. I have found myself squelching CH 1 in the MA a lot lately. Less to read for us old folks, easier to take in the important stuff. :D
Hawg