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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 09, 2001, 10:55:00 PM
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AKDejaVu
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 09, 2001, 10:56:00 PM
My forcast: the D-9 replaces the F4u-1C as the most common plane in the aircraft during this less-navy oriented map.

AKDejaVu
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Cobra on March 09, 2001, 11:41:00 PM
Perk the Tempest!!!

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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: wulfie on March 10, 2001, 03:19:00 AM
For the record I doubt the forecast DejaVu.

My opinion only - more players are deficient in gunnery than stick skills. In the F4U-1C it's easier to bring more firepower to bear than in Fw 190D-9.

Also, F4U-1C way easier to handle at lower speeds in tougher situations.

I'll be curious to see who's right.

It's hard for people to pass on 4 2cm Hispano once they've gotten used to that killing power I think.

I could be wrong - honestly interested to see if either of us is right.

Mike (wulfie)
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: StSanta on March 10, 2001, 04:22:00 AM
DejaVu:

If that happens, I can only hope that it gets perked, along with the LA-7.

In fact me and kirin were discussing if the LA-7, D9, P51 and some other planes shouldn't be perked, to make war more oriented around the 1943 era.

I'd scream if D9 gets perked but LA-7 not, but other than that perking is is definitely an option should the masses flood to it.

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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Vermillion on March 10, 2001, 07:31:00 AM
Santa look at the Dora charts and then look at the La7 charts. And you wanna perk which? Careful of the "perk this" campaigns you start, because you may just end up getting the finger pointed at your own ride.

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**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Westy on March 10, 2001, 08:27:00 AM
 AKDejavu just said the very same thing I remarked to a squaddie about last night.

 Still, nothing gives Head-On Love like a C-hog can.

 -Westy



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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Kieran on March 10, 2001, 09:10:00 AM
Perk the Tempest! Perk the Tempest!
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...damn, it already is!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Dmitry on March 10, 2001, 09:19:00 AM
for some weird reason my password for vfGHOSTY is no longer     (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)

   
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I'd scream if D9 gets perked but LA-7 not

ohhhh you will be hearing my endless whines
and screams if that happenes, and by a twist of luck La-7 will get perk status.

The echo of my scream will travel endlessly around the Earth.

I will cry so hard you will be forced to swimm for a next few years.

<feeling something bad might happened starts quite sobbing>
 

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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Kirin on March 10, 2001, 09:35:00 AM
Verm - we not saying: "Oooh bad La-7 - perk it so that LW can rule"

If you read Santas post excactly we want the Dora to be perked along the La-7 and some other planes (see my other thread).

Why are people so afraid "their" ride gets perked? I find it much more annoying to see the arena filled with Dora-Dweebs (remember AWs "Dorka"?? - well AH models it better so it still takes skill to kill with it...  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) than working with early war stuff to earn some perkies to fly my favourite ride. Rather perk the D9 than pork it (like other sims did) - it's all about balance. Our current perks are much too cheap anyway...

We have the perk-system now so let's make use of it!!!

Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Vermillion on March 10, 2001, 10:55:00 AM
Kirin, I don't care if my ride get perked, as long as all other planes of similar capability get perked.

In fact thats my whole point of my last post. If the La7 gets perked, watch out because the Dora will go at the same time.

I have no loyalties to aircraft from one nation , or one model of aircaft. I fly what is available that suits my style the best. No biggie to me.

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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 10, 2001, 12:24:00 PM
My comments about the D-9 were in no way intended to imply I thought it should be perked.  It has too many weaknesses.  But it also has 2 strengths that greatly surpass any of the non-perked aircraft.  I believe this to be why the F4u-1C and D-9 will rotate popularity based on the map.  They are actually pretty equal.

I want neither to be perked.  There needs to be a best plane(s) in the arena.  Something to measure against when guaging what should or should not be perked.  These two aircraft in regards to speed, acceleration and firepower should set the benchmark.  Anything deamed more lethal for whatever reason should be perked.

Another thing I want to clarify is that I don't believe there should be any more extreme end of the war aircraft added unless they are perked.  I'd also like to see mid to early war planes thrown in too.  I'd love to spend hours in my P-40 trying to figure out how to shoot down all those rockets running around (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

AKDejaVu
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Hangtime on March 10, 2001, 12:25:00 PM
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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: StSanta on March 10, 2001, 05:52:00 PM
Verm that was EXACTLY was I was saying. That the D9 runs a risk of getting perked, but if it does, the LA-7 should get perked as well.

 
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In fact me and kirin were discussing if the LA-7, D9, P51 and some other planes shouldn't be perked, to make war more oriented around the 1943 era.

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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: J_A_B on March 10, 2001, 10:59:00 PM
Wow, my little online time actually counts for several whole percent of the P-51B's kills and deaths...

Why is this plane so little-used?  It's better than the P-51D in every way, as far as I can tell.

Plus, the firepower is not noticably worse under 500 yards.  

I am surprised it has seen such a relatively small amount of use.

J_A_B
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: lazs on March 11, 2001, 09:29:00 AM
the new planes have merely shifted the war to late war.  the bottom planes will no longer be used and we will have a late war arena.  the idiotic perk rides will still be thrown in just to make sure there is never any balance whatsoever.   It's unfun for me it must be a nightmare for newbies.   And now.... they turned out the lights.
lazs
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on March 11, 2001, 10:35:00 AM
Don't perk LA7/D9 and stuff, so the 56th colored P47M will not be perked either   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Nashwan on March 11, 2001, 11:46:00 AM
Will we ever get an unperked late war RAF fighter? There are only 2 to choose from (3 if you count the Meteor) and 1 of them is already perked. Can't see much fun in flying the Spit IX against the Dora.
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: J_A_B on March 11, 2001, 12:35:00 PM
The Mosquito can count as a fighter too, and I am willing to bet in AH it would be quite lethal..

Just think, 4 NOSE-MOUNTED hispanos....no convergence to worry about.

A late-model Mosquito would fit in AH quite well.

J_A_B
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: AKDejaVu on March 11, 2001, 12:59:00 PM
 
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Will we ever get an unperked late war RAF fighter? There are only 2 to choose from (3 if you count the Meteor) and 1 of them is already perked. Can't see much fun in flying the Spit IX against the Dora.

Half of my Dora kills have come in the Typhoon.

AKDejaVu
Title: Fighter Vs Fighter stats: How do the new planes stack up?
Post by: Tac on March 11, 2001, 01:07:00 PM
Make ALL late war planes that have earlier models in the game be CHEAP perks.

P-51D, F4U-C, 190D9,Spit15 (when it gets in), N1K *when N1k-1j is in*, P-38L (when P-38J/D/H are in), 109 G10, La-7...you get the idea.

Cost? 2 perkies? You fly those planes and you can easily get those 2 perks back and even gain perks, a 3 kill sortie on a P-38L gets you 5 perkies.

Leave the uber rides like tempest and ta152 as they are, expensive perks.

Hey, still no P-61 in AH! Dangit! =P