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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hblair on February 02, 2001, 02:50:00 PM
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(http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/la7.jpg)
Nice work!
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What are the performance specs on the LA7?
Whats the armament?
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BASTIGE! beat me to it!
NIIIIIIICE!!!! (Rip dusts off his old favorite ride, the LA-5 , in anticipation for the LA7)
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Yeah,
What the hell can this thing do anyway?
Will it be a perk??
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It's an improved version of the La-5FN. A lot of wood was replaced with metal and there were signifcant aerodynamic improvements. Similar powerplant and configuration but 20-25 mph faster at all altitudes. Bend over Runstangs. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by funked (edited 02-02-2001).]
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Yep, these babies were feared by FW190 pilots!
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Lavochkin La-7
In service: May 1944
Powerplant
One Shvetsov ASh-82FN radial pistol engine rated at 1,850 hp for take-off.
Fuel capacity:
Internal fuel 560 liters; external fuel up to 200 liters in two 100 liter drop tanks.
Dimensions
Wing:
Span 32ft 1.75 in; aspect ratio 5.46; area 189.34 sq ft
Fuselage and tail:
Length 28 ft 2.5 in; height 8 ft 6.25 in
Operational weights:
Empty 5,732 lb; equipped; normal take off 7,187 lb; maximum take off 7,469
Performance
Maximum speed level 'clean' 423 mph at 22,300 ft declining to 373 mph at sea level.
Maximum range 394.5 miles.
Climb to 16,405 ft in 4 minutes 30 seconds; service ceiling 35,105 ft.
Armament
Fixed:
Three 20mm Beresin B-20 fixed forward-firing cannon in the upper part of the forward fuselage (two to port and one to starboard) or two 20mm ShVAK fixed forward-firing cannon in the upper part of the forward fuselage, in each case with synchronization equipment to fire through the propeller disc.
Disposable:
Up to 882 lb of disposable stores carried on two hardpoints (both under the wings with each unit rated at 441 lb), and generally comprising of two 441 lv FAB-200 bombs or up to six 3.2 in (82mm) RS-82 air-to-surface rockets.
Cheap perk.
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Nath_____
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/haha.jpg)
A captured Bolshevik pilot once stated, "In battle, the fighters with the green hearts are generally in the minority. But when they're there, things realy heat up. They're all aces!"
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 02-02-2001).]
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Zig, I sense a russian jabo mission coming. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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373mph SL?...oh dear!!!
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Still waiting for my Fw190D9 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Cheap perk.
Along P51D,Fw190D9 and 109G10, of course ,isnt it?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 02-02-2001).]
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The paint scheme chosen is that of Maj V Orekhov, who flew with 32.Gv.IAP and finished war with 19 victories.
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 02-02-2001).]
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Some gun info for the masses...
B-20
Caliber: 20mm
Rate of fire: 800 rounds/minute
Muzzle velocity: 820 m/sec (2,690 ft/sec)
Round weight: 96g (3.36 oz)
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Flakbait [Delta6]
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
Put the P-61B in Aces High
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/headbanger.gif)
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Actually Gordon & Khazanov show it over 380 mph on the deck. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
B20 was on the prototype La-7 but production versions had the same armament as the La-5FN.
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<Shiver> Evil bad, evil bad, evil bad. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
<Curls up in warm blanket> where the hell is my Spit 14 when I need it.
Zippatuh
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Here is a very detailed page on Russian armament.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/20mm.html#5 (http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/20mm.html#5)
AP to HE and everything in between.
And here is the main page, small arms details to large calibur guns. Good spec and pics of rounds. Pyro may be interested to see this site.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/index.html (http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1852/index.html)
Dog out..
[This message has been edited by Wardog (edited 02-02-2001).]
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Thus an another aircraft faster than me and who turns better. That's trouble!
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im betting p47-m gabi camo is american perk in 1.06 frenchy
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Hmmmm... I guess I'll have to put the old la-5 to bed now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
- Koba
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Frenchy, nah.
yer a P-47 pilot. P-47 pilots are of the same breed as 190A8 pilots.
We're used to being the slowest accelerating, slowest turning, worst climbing fat pigs in the air.
Of course, we rely on pilot skill and teamowrk, instead of fancy gadgets. Eat yer hearts out, dweebs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just another target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Outstanding! And the front end geometry looks much more round! Big high five!
-Westy
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I can't see this as a perk at all.
A summer of 1944 prop plane perked? Give me a break.
It will be quite popular in the arena, of course, but not any more than the CHog or Niki, I believe.
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Torgo they are also talking about perking a January 1944 plane (Spitfire 14) and a Fall 1944 plane (Fw 190D-9)...
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KICKASS!!!!!
ENOUGH SAID!
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I ALMOST agree with Torgo, aside from being fast and having most the other things the LA-5 had its just got some more gunnage.
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I don't recall anyone from HTC saying the LA7 is a perkplane.
Didn't they say there were two perk planes coming along with four variations of existing aircraft?
Well the Tempest we know will be a perk and so wil the Blitz.
Please refer to your source(s) when making accusations, such as the LA7 being a perk plane.
-Westy
(and I'm not saying it won't be. I am saying that I've seen no indication from HTC that it will be)
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Originally posted by Zigrat:
im betting p47-m gabi camo is american perk in 1.06 frenchy
Gabby never flew the M. His last ride was a D-25. I sure hope we get an M in 1.06, but it should have the right camo: all black for 61st FS, grey disruptive camo for 62nd, or (my pref) 2 tone blue camo for 63rd FS.
You said it Frenchy, yet another faster plane that turns better. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) How was the La7 above 20k?
[This message has been edited by Sancho (edited 02-02-2001).]
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Westy,
I was referring to people in the AH community calling it a perk plane...(including some higher in this thread)
I'm fully aware HTC hasn't said word one about the La-7 being perked.
This illustrates what a crude too perks ALONE are. No matter how cheap a perk is, there's still a wide gulf between a perk and a non-perk.
It just illustrates how much better an RPS is, in combination with the use of perk points.
Well, if it's four variants..I could easily see the La-7, Dora, Spit XIV (I don't believe HTC has said anything specific mentioning IT as a possible perk either) and something else as the variants...
Wonder what that could be?
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la7,190d9,spit XIV,p-51d,f4u-4, f4u-1c, p-47m, 109g10, n1k2 all should be low cost (under 50 perk points) perks imo
the spit IX/190a/109g6/p47d/p38j/ki-61/ etcera should be the non perks imo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
but as so often stated my openion is not the only opinion
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Guys, don't worry, the La-7 is only marginally better than the La-5FN. The only reason the Soviets made it was in response to the gunsight being limited by the intake on top of the nose...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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leonid, Kompol
5 GIAP VVS-KA, Knights (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Haha, I will stick with my La-5FN thank you very much!
Just to be different (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
PS: how did the changes from La-5 to La-7 change the manouverability?
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Frenchy, nah.
yer a P-47 pilot. P-47 pilots are of the same breed as 190A8 pilots.
We're used to being the slowest accelerating, slowest turning, worst climbing fat pigs in the air.
Of course, we rely on pilot skill and teamowrk, instead of fancy gadgets. Eat yer hearts out, dweebs (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Just another target (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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personally I don't give a toejam what you do to it because I'm never flying AH again.
-Citabria
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LOL Leo!!!
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Who is this Von Werrer idiot?
If anyone has some sense of humour to spare, I know a German that really needs it.
He was probably rejected from the LW.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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Here's the problem..
I strongly suspect the "cheap" perks may not get used any than the expensive "uber" perks.
People, I think, are going to hoard their perks for ULTIMATE rides like the Tempest. If you take a very much borderline (though personally I really don't think it's that close to "perk" status) plane like the La-7, even with a few perks a sortie I really think people still won't use it at all.
Perking is really a blunt instrument..theoretically, making something a very cheap perk SHOULD cause its arena numbers to decline some..but I think the practical effect is to cause usage of it to collapse. It's hard to "half perk" something.
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I agree with Torgo. It seems, at times, that perk mania has taken hold of the players. Surely some planes deserve perk status, but not all of them. Yes, the La7 is incredibly fast at sea level... but how about above 15k? 25k? It has weaker armament than the F4U-1C and Typhoon (and what sort of ammo load, incidentally?), and the 109G10 probably climbs as well or better. Adding it to the non-perked planeset also doesn't relegate the La5 to oblivion. Plenty of folks still fly the Spit V instead of the Spit IX.
It'll be a fantastic, tough-nosed addition to the current non-perked planeset. But perk it? Nah.
-- Todd/DMF
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If the La5 is a Fw190A5 mixed with a me109G6 this one is a Fw190A5 mixed with a Me109G10-highly dangerous.
I really hope (I pray) that this thing comes unperked. Because if it does then the dora-9 will too be unperked, by sure.
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Yup and the D9 will be something like and A8 mixed with a G10 so we'll be kicking some attus in that plane for sure. As to perking the G10 are you nuts the G10 us a squeak to fly sure it climbs like hell but other than that if you're not putting an effort into flying the damned plane you die like a Runt.
I've grown accostumed to fly the 109g2 IT'S ONE IF NOT MY FAVORITE RIDE SINCE THE NEW fm REVISION WHY i HAVE MY REASONS...Sorry about the caps...The 109f4 is also a nice Bird for turn fighting and furballing around fields IMO either way I just hope they don't perk the D9 .
bye
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Glasses---I may have 4 eyes ,but you only have one wing.
Tis not important how one goes,but who goes with you.
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I Dont think it will be much more popular than the yak9. The quaker dweeb-c riders will hate its slow ROF cannons which will never be as effective as the Hispano.
The la-5 & yak cannon takes alot more skill to drop planes than the turbo-laser.
BTW, WTG HTC (wonder what other 3 letter acronyms i can use now).
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The LA7 is gonna Ram itself right up alot of non-believers butts...mark my words and reply in 6 months!
Swamp
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La7 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!
looks like all chog and pony drivers already pissed off (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) MUUHAHAHAHAHAH no escape now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Vik
5th GIAP VVS
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Bring on the damn LA7.
Another easy kill for my twin tailed monster.
Oh and those LA5 guns are badass, I always fear going HO against an LA5
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Funked, not just the prototype had 3 cannons.
The La7's from one factory had x3 B-20 cannons, the La7's from the other factory had the traditional x2 ShVak's cannons.
For those that don't know, the B-20 cannon is ballistically identical to the ShVak cannon, in fact they used the same ammunition. The difference was that the B-20 cannon itself weighed much less than the ShVak cannon, allowing the installation of 3 guns for the same weight as the 2 ShVaks.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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A little tidbit
"All aircraft built at the Yaroslavl factory had three, whilst the aircraft built at the Moscow factory had two."
Reffering to the 20 millimeter ShVAK cannons(The newly developed 23mm ShVAK cannons were fitted on late, late war craft, probably ones that only saw service on earstern front).
It could also carry 4 8.2cm rockets and/or 331lbs of bombs.
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Originally posted by Sancho:
You said it Frenchy, yet another faster plane that turns better. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) How was the La7 above 20k?
Stepping out on a limb here Sancho. From the little research I have done the Russians primarily built their aircraft for ground support and troop decimation. Although the La7 comes with WEP it does not have an intake I believe so it is only usable up to 7K – 10K. In short, if you meet this plane low, you’re in trouble. If you meet it at 20K, you have a much better chance but this all depends on what kind of ride you happen to be in.
I’m sure the Russian aircraft buffs will pull me to pieces on this one but it is definitely a low altitude danger.
Zippatuh
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Originally posted by Zippatuh:
Stepping out on a limb here Sancho. From the little research I have done the Russians primarily built their aircraft for ground support and troop decimation. Although the La7 comes with WEP it does not have an intake I believe so it is only usable up to 7K – 10K. In short, if you meet this plane low, you’re in trouble. If you meet it at 20K, you have a much better chance but this all depends on what kind of ride you happen to be in.
I’m sure the Russian aircraft buffs will pull me to pieces on this one but it is definitely a low altitude danger.
Zippatuh
Zippatuh,
SNAP!! Whoopsy! See ya at the bottom! Actually, you need to do a bit more on VVS research. The Soviets believed in building aircraft for specific purposes, thus Il-2 for ground assault, Pe-2 for tactical bombing, etc. Most VVS fighters were questionable as ground support, since they were primarily designed for an air superiority role. That many fighters were used for ground support in '41, '42, only shows just how desperate they were.
As for the supercharger air intake which was on top of the nose in the La-5FN, it was moved to two intakes at the wing root leading edge on the La-7. You are right that the La-7 will truly be in its element from 10k, down. However, NII VVS testing determined that even at an altitude range of 21-23k the La-7 retained equal vertical maneuverability with a Bf 109G-4.
[This message has been edited by leonid (edited 02-03-2001).]
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Well, I wasn’t pulled apart too bad on that one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Thanks for clearing that up leonid.
Zippatuh
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Hmmmmm, faster, better forward vis, better high alt performance, option for 3 cannons instead of 2.
Gee guys whats not to like! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If they perk it fine, gives me something to spend points on. If they don't, LOL, can you say "perk plane killer"! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Ok before anyone gets their panties in a bunch about the La-7, I suggest they go take an La5 up for a spin and see how you do with the cannon.
The La-5 flies like a dream...in all actuality, I like the flight model of the La5 better than my beloved P-51. The problem tho is that the muzzle velocity of those ShVak is low, low, low. Ever watch the 30mm rounds drop off from a 109 or 190? THATS what you have to deal with in an La-5.
As someone has already stated, it takes ALOT of skill to bring down a plane with an La5, as opposed to the point and shoot ability of the Chog or Tiffy.
-Ding
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Gee thanks Dingy! Does that mean I have some skill? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Tour 12:
Koba has 117 kills and has been killed 35 times in the La-5FN
Shame that most of my kills are against newbies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Gee thanks Dingy! Does that mean I have some skill? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
It might but for all interested, its VERY easy to stay alive in the La5. The hard part is killing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I fought 3 lower planes earlier today, zeke, spit and 109 for about 5 minutes today but was unable to put killing lead on any of em. I was then able to rtb without a scratch.
Like I said, its easy to stay alive in...just a squeak to kill with once they know you are there.
-Ding
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Like I said, alot of my kills are newbies. Co-alt with good pilots is something I avoid. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) But it's always useful getting tips from them once they've killed me.
And the niki is just something I run away from unless I have much more E or have numbers. It's just too hard to kill, especially if the pilot is experienced.
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Dingy,
The ShVAKs aren't low velocity at all. The effect is caused by the supercharger air intake on top of the cowling. It cuts off a lot of the view on the bottom that most planes usually have, making it seem that the rounds are dropping off real bad. I tested this a while ago, maybe back in beta. Did a comparison with a 109G-6's MG/151, and found that the ballistic paths were very similar, using strafing passes along the ground and marking the paths of the tracers under specific G's. Basically, it's an optical illusion, caused by the intake.