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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Otter on January 31, 2002, 02:28:50 PM
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http://uboat.net/technical/ju88.htm (http://uboat.net/technical/ju88.htm)
But, but Gott in Himmel how can this be zo?
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Ummm....yes it was a fighter in certain variants....certainly NOT the one we have in AH. The Ju88G-7 was a very different aircraft from what we have. It was capable of 402mph at 30,000ft and was armed with 4x20mm firing forward and 2x20mm in shrage muzik. I'm not sure who exactly you're accusing of being an idiot, but alot of us are well aware of your groundbreaking discovery.
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O.k. Otter... so go take your Ju-88 into a furball tonight and record a little film so you can show it to all of us in the morning.
:D
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ju88-a4 wasnt a fighter......
Theres no fighter or attack option for the ju88 in ah anyway
you really dont what your talking about
there were version adapted for the night fighter roll and ground attack but none were typical fighters.
do more research you may find this out :rolleyes:
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I WISH the ju88 had the fighter version in AH.
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otter it zeemz ve hav founden sie dumbkopf after all eh??
you should read up on what you are talking about before you post it eh?
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Well..
Fighting a 1 vs 1 duel - B-26 vs Ju-88A is fun anyways :)
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The Ju88 we have IS actually quite a hndy plane in a fight....so long as you dont fly it like a bomber.
Get Nin to fly a target drone '88 for you some time, you'll see what i mean.
Blue
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I've flown the AH 88 "as a fighter" a number of times once bombs are gone and done fairly well considering.
Dunno why everyone's gotta bash otter lol, he's got a valid point.
Risk something now and then...it can be Fun.
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Does this mean the B17 is a fighter because it had a version that had 20 guns?
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So, whos the idjiot? :)
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...and worth noting there was a reason why all the Ju88, 110 and 410 buff busters pilots were being converted to single engine fighters by late '44. US fighters were slaughtering them.
I read a quote, if memory serves from FW-190 at war, about just such a pilot who'd converted from Ju88's and 410's over to the Fw late in the war. His comment on flying the prior against the B17's and B24's was that they were like dueling with two very large trucks. As long as you didn't have to maneuver, you were fine.
That having been said though, I go blood pigging a lot lately in AH with the B26. Its a hoot 1vs1 against fighters, or even just jumping into furballs and seeing how many pelts you can get.
Vortex
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Here is some candy for this thread :D
JU88 in combat
I had been on patrol with two of my companions when a large gaggle of Ju 88s attacked the harbour. We chased them out to sea and on my third attack on one of them it blew up. While I was firing this burst I became aware of an almost unbeliveable occurence - one of the doomed crew's comrades tried to come to their aid by attacking me from behind, and in doing so showed extaordinary courage. I had not expected such audacity, and only first became aware of the attack when my aircraft jolted and I saw a large hole in the right wing. Also, damage was done to my aircraft's pilot system, depriving me of airspeed indication. I immediately turned to my assilant, and after a few tight turns I was in a good position to send him a long burst from my guns. I saw pieces break off the aircraft and it went into a dive, emitting black smoke.
Just at that moment I caught sight of another Ju 88 within good range, and turned towards it. The pilot of that bomber made very determined attempts to evade me, displaying great skill, but it was an uneven match and soon I had him in my sights and pressed the firing button. There were a couple of bangs and that was all - the guns were empty! There, by the grace of God, went one lucky German.
T.E. Jonsson, 111 sqn RAF
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No ammo counters?
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Nope.
... and no three-axis pilot adjustable trim tabs either.
...now that I think of it, no view keys....
...and no autopilot at all in almost all fighters, not even a wing leveler.
....and no gps navigation.......
... and
Oh, well... you get the idea... at least I think you probably do. ;)
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>>Dunno why everyone's gotta bash otter lol, he's got a valid point. <<
Duh I dunno but, it may have to do with the title of his post ie. "for all you idiots..."
And I'm not so sure about the validity of his point either. But, if you stick your neck out the way he did, a certain amount of bashing is to be expected
:D
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Well, Jonsson's plane was a Spitfire Vb, which he could trim well enough to fly hands off and without a boot on the rudder.
But no ammo counters.
To think off it, the 109 was hardly trimmable at all. Wonder about the Ju88....
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I'm not sure who exactly you're accusing of being an idiot, but alot of us are well aware of your groundbreaking discovery.
ROTFLOL!!!!! Thanks for my laugh of the day! Well put!
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I think otter needs to realise that we've all flown the ju88 'as a fighter'
Im no slouch when flying them either ;)
In fact if i remember correctly NB(?) and I used to fly them as fighters with light fuel and no bombs.with 2 mutually covering each other we caught quite a few unawares. :)
BUT it is certainly not a jabo plane.
for a start a jabo has to score as a fighter. so stop trying to tell us how we've 'overlooked' the ju88s uses.
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I appogoligize in advance, but otter, you piss me off.
Lots of us are LW fanatics, we know about the Ju88 and it was used as a fighter, specially a night fighter where it was highly successfull too, heavy arement and very good manuverabilty for a twin.
In AH, we have the early bomber version of it, sure it manuvers great, turn nicely and all that, but do you actually know how long it takes to chew people up with a single 30 cal MG?
Before posting stuff like this, calling people iditots because of what we've written in another thread, do some more research.
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Originally posted by Angus
Well, Jonsson's plane was a Spitfire Vb, which he could trim well enough to fly hands off and without a boot on the rudder.
But no ammo counters.
To think off it, the 109 was hardly trimmable at all. Wonder about the Ju88....
Bf109 did have 'elevator' trim, which actually moved whole horizontal stabilizer.
Things which werent trimmable on air, were trimmed on the ground.
Cruising in 109 wasnt too bad, even if there was no trims for all what you could wish for.
Mind the fact also that Ju88 is not Bf109 and has very much different control wirings.
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The loss of trim controlls doesn't make the plane wanna turn every way in the air. 109, lik Fishu said wasn't all that hard to keep controll in, high speed required a push on the stick and trim down but not MUCH else.
The 190, needed no trimming at all, it could be trimmed 2 degrees up and 1.5 down (not quite sure about those numbers, will check book, around 2 degrees) but it hardly needed it because it staied stable on all axis in all speeds, nothin you can say about AH 190 :(
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Apparently here the new born enthusiasts about WW2 Aviation like to ommit the version or year it was manufactured and generalize putting the Ju88 AS a fighter which is not true it never was a pure fighter, except for the nachtJager versions which were of course used for their Endurance but , for also being able to carry large loads including airborne radar and the large Caliber guns.
This is the same stupid(yes STUPID) rhetoric of the allied fliers saying we don't need this or that because we already have them which it is pure nonsense, trying to deprive them of an unrealisticly loaded P47 is blasphemy but getting an effective Jabo plane its full potential and armament is a complaint or in good all yeehaw language, is a whine.
Sure they cannot envision this as they say we're fanatical, we complain of whatever feature they add and we want more and more and we should be complascent ,I mean how could we ? Imagine a P47, a late war even, only could carry one 500lb bomb and 2 rockets would you accept that,of course not you'd probably,complain or not post it on these boards but I am sure ,Plenty sure, you would find other ways of contacting the developers and getting your message across, I don't have the luxury unfortunately.
It just could be HTC is researching if and when they used them extensively during the war, which to me would seem odd considering a plane set which has a Ta152 but doesn't have 2x250kg one in each wing on the 190F8(G8 even) ironic .
Adieu.