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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Karnak on January 31, 2002, 11:54:37 PM
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1. Someone like Charleston Heston, with monomaniaical support of guns above all else, publishes a "How to" book on killing federal agents and grossly mis-states other's positions.
2. Someone like Ronald Reagan, who pushes laws through that trample on the US Constitution that he swore to uphold in his "jihad" on drugs and makes deals with terrorists for his own political gain.
3. Someone like Jerry Falwell, who uses a national tragedy to attack those who disagree with him and directly blame them for the criminal event perpetrated by a completely unrelated group.
I'm pretty sure its Ronald Reagan with his violations of the US Constitution and his dealings with terrorists for personal gain. But you have to admit that Jerry Falwell made a doosey of a speach after the Sept. 11th terrorist attack. Heston I don't think can even claim to be in the same league.
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This is the sarcastic/ironic twin to the "liberal commie" thread, right?
.... and the "grossly mis-states other's positions" is the irony within the irony?
So, what do I win, Johnny?
:D
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3 dried dog terds. and a date with janet reno.
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Toad,
No irony.
A bit of sarcasm.
Mostly spitting bile back in the faces of those who make the "liberal / commie" association.
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Originally posted by Karnak
2. Someone like Ronald Reagan, who pushes laws through that trample on the US Constitution that he swore to uphold in his "jihad" on drugs and makes deals with terrorists for his own political gain.
I'm pretty sure its Ronald Reagan with his violations of the US Constitution and his dealings with terrorists for personal gain.
This is one of the most misinformed statements I have ever heard.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Toad,
No irony.
A bit of sarcasm.
Mostly spitting bile back in the faces of those who make the "liberal / commie" association.
I have to agree with the tone here. Comparing a liberal to a communist is rather corny at best. Here's why.
While the liberal wants (seemingly communist):
To pay as much money as possible in taxes
To have bigger government
The liberal also wants (very uncommunist)
To burn the flag of the government
And to whine allot (probably a capital offense crime in communism)
:D
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oops
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Tumor,
Explain what you mean, please?
I consider the "War on Drugs" to be an abject horror and about as anti-american as you can get.
There is every bit as much evidence that Reagan worked with Iran to delay the release of the hostages until after the election so as to not grant Carter that boon as there is that Clinton raped Paula Jones.
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Tumor,
This liberal wants:
Freedom of the press.
Freedom of Religion.
The Right to Bear Arms.
The Right to Protest.
Equal Rights for All.
For the needs of the people and the needs of business to be balanced.
What I'm willing to do for this rights: Fight to the death.
Boy, that sure sounds horrible and whiney to me.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Tumor,
Explain what you mean, please?
I consider the "War on Drugs" to be an abject horror and about as anti-american as you can get.
There is every bit as much evidence that Reagan worked with Iran to delay the release of the hostages until after the election so as to not grant Carter that boon as there is that Clinton raped Paula Jones.
Ok, you completely lost me. As much as I HATE(D) Clinton, I always thought/knew Paula was full of crap.
The war on drugs? Don't get you there either. It's still being waged. Clinton expanded it on a scale Ronnie probably never thought possible.
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"The Right to Bear Arms. "
There gonna kick you out of the touchy feely club.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Tumor,
This liberal wants:
IF your a true liberal...
Freedom of the press.
change "press" to "Voice of the Left" and I'll believe you
Freedom of Religion.
add "so long as no one hears about it" and that makes sense
The Right to Bear Arms.
I do not believe you
The Right to Protest.
...who? Conservatives or just the GOP?
Equal Rights for All.
So your against abortion?
For the needs of the people and the needs of business to be balanced.
Buisness provides jobs. Good wages make happy people. The standard liberal view that I've ever seen is basicly...TAX THE RICH for they are undeserving.
What I'm willing to do for this rights: Fight to the death.
The Military community is extremely lacking in liberals, even less in Democrates. Odd to see this statement here.
Boy, that sure sounds horrible and whiney to me.
read between the lines ;)
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Originally posted by Tumor
The Military community is extremely lacking in liberals, even less in Democrates. Odd to see this statement here.
That would be me... Veteran, Department of Navy Employee, Liberal. :p
(or at least, more liberal than conservative. :) )
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Tumor.
You don't know anything about Liberals (from what your statements have been) and you certainly don't know anything about me. You're deluding yourself if you think that Liberals won't fight (and I mean violence, war, killing type of fight) to protect their rights, the rights of others and the principals on which this country is built.
Your type of conservative is as poisonous as the type of mindless liberal you paint a picture of.
Liberals and Conservatives built this nation together.
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This liberal wants:
IF your a true liberal...
You don't know what a true Liberal is.
Freedom of the press.
change "press" to "Voice of the Left" and I'll believe you
Believe what you want, but what I want is true freedom of the press.
Freedom of Religion.
add "so long as no one hears about it" and that makes sense
Preach on the street corner, in church, in your home, in the wilderness, ect but do not expect the Government to press your religion on others for you.
The Right to Bear Arms.
I do not believe you
Tough.
The Right to Protest.
...who? Conservatives or just the GOP?
For the right of the people (regardless of their beliefs or particular complaint) to gather and protest (non-destructively) the actions or inaction that they wish to change.
Equal Rights for All.
So your against abortion?
I don't consider a zygote to be human anymore than I consider a bacteria to be human. That is my opinion and it remains my opinion and not the truth. You are welcome to your opinion and it remains your opinion and not the truth.
For the needs of the people and the needs of business to be balanced.
Buisness provides jobs. Good wages make happy people. The standard liberal view that I've ever seen is basicly...TAX THE RICH for they are undeserving.
Then you haven't looked hard enough or closely enough or in the real world.
What I'm willing to do for this rights: Fight to the death.
The Military community is extremely lacking in liberals, even less in Democrates. Odd to see this statement here.
You'd be surprised how many Liberals and Democrats are in the military. you'd also be surprised how many of the "Liberals" you seem so fond of hating would rush to their local recruiter if a WWII like situation arose, one in which a massive amount of manpower would be required for our rights and nation to be protected.
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Charlton Heston is my President. :)
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You NRA too Funked?
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Heheh. A conservative telling a liberal what the liberal wants.
Hey Tumor, you want sex with monkeys!
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Karnak
I live in the United States of America, in the year 2002. I am also a fairly well educated adult, I know what liberals are. Of course you have your moderates, but then you don't hear from the moderates do you?
See, I just can't get along with an agenda that supports keeping convicted killers alive and killing "zygotes" (why didn't you use the term fetus?...or Baby? Hey I believe abortion has it's place however, left to the liberals it would be legal to rip a kid out of mom the day before due date).
By the way, I've been military for 16yrs. I have an very good idea of how many libs there are.
Beyond that, I'm truly sick of hearing the ludicrous rants, selfish views and repeat ad nauseum lines the libs dish out.
I think I will ignore them for awhile.
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Tumor heal thyself.
kbman
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Originally posted by Karnak
...Mostly spitting bile back in the faces of those who make the "liberal / commie" association.
Ah, the old "I will become indistinguishable from the worst/lowest of my enemies" tactic.
Got it.
Carry on.
:)
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Who the Liberals/Dems are in bed with:
PITA
ELF
Green Peace
Gays (not that theres anything wrong with that..)
Jesse Jackson
I could go on and on...but this is just an example of why I don't vote for that side.
Now I'm sure you'll post even a longer list of who the Pubs are in bed with, but IMO, its the lesser of the two evils. One is out to destroy democracy, one is out to uphold democracy and captilism.
One thing IS for certain, Karnak, when he retires in CA, will be a minority in that state. So maybe being in that party is a good thing, you'll get plenty of benefits, maybe even Affirmitive Action when your 70 yrs. old.
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Jesse Jackson and his ho in 2004!!!
Go Clinton! We wouldn't be in this mess if we didn't have them darn term limits...
:rolleyes:
this crap ole ain't worth me time anymore ....
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I have to agree that Republicans do as much damage as Democrats. But given a choice between Ronald Reagan and Clinton isn't even a case of choosing between the lesser of two evils. The primary job of the President is the security of this nation. The actions of the Reagan-Bush era directly led to the collapse of our worst enemy without a single nuclear detonation. The successes of Reagan may one day be noted as the most important of any Presidency.
Reagan's trading for hostages stood in direct contrast to what he was supposed to be all about. Like Clinton, he was beyond reproach. No one was willing to convict him for lying about it. But as least he did what he did to try to save American lives and use the money to stop our enemies (whether congress liked it or not, that was his job! :D).
Clinton's actions were always selfish and inexcusable.
But under the law, both should have been punished with Reagan getting the much steeper punishment for openly defying the constitution by directly exceeding his authority as President.
How come I have never heard any stories of U.S. citizens being assassinated to protect Reagan's image? Maybe George Bush's CIA ties allowed them to do so without being noticed? Or maybe the only time Reagan violated laws was when he thought the laws were in the way of his job and he didn't ever have to worry about hordes of women, body guards, and financial managers exposing his criminal activities for personal gain.
If anyone could ever turn up evidence proving that Clinton had even one person killed to protect his image, who would the real "Nazi" be? I could still call him a "Commie", because the greatest of them all killed anyone even close to standing in his way. Clinton looks like a boyscout next to Stalin.
I reserve the right to assume Bill was directly responsible for the deaths of all those witnesses against him based on the information available. Too many convenient unexplained deaths, many execution style, of people who were about to testify against him. Lyndon Johnson might be the only President I would consider as evil when it comes to killing people for personal gain. At least Lyndon seemed to believe what he was doing was in the best interest of this country.
Maybe Bill should have been included on this list too ;)
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So I did some thinking about the liberal vs conservative threads we have and came to the conclusion that the pols on both sides are laughing it up at our expense.
They have managed to polarize our country to the extent that we spend our energies arguing with each other instead of focusing on the real problem...THEM!
Hows that for a conspiracy theory Fatty? :D
As long as we are divided nothing will change.
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Originally posted by weazel
So I did some thinking about the liberal vs conservative threads we have and came to the conclusion that the pols on both sides are laughing it up at our expense.
They have managed to polarize our country to the extent that we spend our energies arguing with each other instead of focusing on the real problem...THEM!
Hows that for a conspiracy theory Fatty? :D
As long as we are divided nothing will change.
Told ya we agree on something :D it's been that way for years too. Kinda makes ya wonder what they do while they have us distracted with all thier "issues"..........
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Who the Liberals/Dems are in bed with:
PITA
ELF
Green Peace
Gays (not that theres anything wrong with that..)
Jesse Jackson
Who the Conservative/Republicans are in bed with:
Pat Robertson
Jerry Falwell
NRA
Rush Limbaugh
John Ashcroft
... I could go on and on.
Pick your extremists... they're every bit as distasteful no matter which side of the spectrum they are on.
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Originally posted by weazel
They have managed to polarize our country to the extent that we spend our energies arguing with each other instead of focusing on the real problem...THEM!...
As long as we are divided nothing will change.
Excellent analysis, Weazel.
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Sandman, read my post again. Some are MORE distasteful than others. IMO.
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Who the Conservative/Republicans are in bed with:
Pat Robertson
Jerry Falwell
NRA
Rush Limbaugh
John Ashcroft
... I could go on and on.
Pick your extremists... they're every bit as distasteful no matter which side of the spectrum they are on.
Not the same in my book, you are judged by your actions & deeds in this world ...
On this note, who if you had to invite one of them over for dinner, would you chose Ashcroft or Jackson?
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On this note, who if you had to invite one of them over for dinner, would you chose Ashcroft or Jackson?
i'd skip dinner
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no wonder everyone always talks about sheep in this game... that's all you guys are! sheep! "I follow this doctrine" "I follow that doctrine." bah.
Karnak is close to seeing the light... he listed some of his beliefs (which fall on both sides of the fence), but still labels himself liberal. Karnak, you ain't liberal. you ain't conservative. You're Karnak! :) Your overall view might lean to the left of the line, but that doesn't mean you have to use the liberal label and instantly be opposed to those who use the conservative label.
You guys treat this like a Bloods/Crips thing 95% of the time when you post on political topics. :D
BEHAVE YOURSELVES!!! ;) (ugh, that was an awful movie... I bet SOB or Deja has it on DVD tho.)
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>2. Someone like Ronald Reagan, who pushes laws through that
>trample on the US Constitution that he swore to uphold
Interesting.
1. Can you list out for me the exact laws that are violations of the Constitution?
2. Then explain to me why the Supreme Court hasn't struck them down in 20 years?
Regards,
Wab
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Originally posted by AKWabbit
>2. Someone like Ronald Reagan, who pushes laws through that
>trample on the US Constitution that he swore to uphold
Interesting.
1. Can you list out for me the exact laws that are violations of the Constitution?
2. Then explain to me why the Supreme Court hasn't struck them down in 20 years?
Regards,
Wab
Liberals never have any substance to back up their claims, its parroted from CNN.
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Ashcroft would bore me to tears, Jesse might bring some good BBQ.
This is funny, I have to say that Karnak has done well to define my position as a liberal.
Most people in this country are niether completely liberal nor completely conservative. They vary across the spectrum depending on the issues.
But lets look at Rips list again:
PITA - This is a bread, you mean PETA. see below
ELF - Like PETA in its RADICAL approach to the conservation of the environment and or animals. Sorta like the the equivalent to the KKK in their REACTIONARY approach to conservative family values. Are you all in bed with the KKK?
Green Peace - see above
Gays (not that theres anything wrong with that..) - Then why even mention it?
Jesse Jackson - Hmmmm, a lamb who has lost his way. See Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson or any other wacko rightist PTL 700 club money grubbing theif who preys on the fears of elderly women and sucks their retirement accounts dry so they can sell plastic crosses with the WTC embossed on Jesus forehead!
nuff said?
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Mostly spitting bile back in the faces of those who make the "liberal / commie" association
Karnak since you are in CA I seriously doubt that's BILE you are spitting !:p
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Ashcroft would bore me to tears, Jesse might bring some good BBQ.
This is funny, I have to say that Karnak has done well to define my position as a liberal.
Most people in this country are niether completely liberal nor completely conservative. They vary across the spectrum depending on the issues.
But lets look at Rips list again:
PITA - This is a bread, you mean PETA. see below
ELF - Like PETA in its RADICAL approach to the conservation of the environment and or animals. Sorta like the the equivalent to the KKK in their REACTIONARY approach to conservative family values. Are you all in bed with the KKK?
Green Peace - see above
Gays (not that theres anything wrong with that..) - Then why even mention it?
Jesse Jackson - Hmmmm, a lamb who has lost his way. See Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson or any other wacko rightist PTL 700 club money grubbing theif who preys on the fears of elderly women and sucks their retirement accounts dry so they can sell plastic crosses with the WTC embossed on Jesus forehead!
nuff said?
Sigh, you just don't read, do you? My whole point is, both sides have EVIL people, lobbying...I choose THIS side because IMO it has LESS evil! And as for Jesse Jackson, he just makes the gap between white and black that much further.;)
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I DO read RIp, my point is that they are not less evil....
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I DO read RIp, my point is that they are not less evil....
In your opinion...which I might add, is wrong in my opinion. :)
I would trust a man of God before I'd ever trust a gay teacher teaching my children about accepting homosexuality. And, my child learning how to properly handle a firearm from a NRA-approved school is going give him a better probability of survival than a session from a gay teacher that its okay to take it up the ass. :D
If you really think about it, the Muslim world hates everything the Liberals agree with, more so than the conservatives.
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Originally posted by Tumor
Tumor,
This liberal wants:
IF your a true liberal...
Freedom of the press.
change "press" to "Voice of the Left" and I'll believe you
Freedom of Religion.
add "so long as no one hears about it" and that makes sense
The Right to Bear Arms.
I do not believe you
The Right to Protest.
...who? Conservatives or just the GOP?
Equal Rights for All.
So your against abortion?
For the needs of the people and the needs of business to be balanced.
Buisness provides jobs. Good wages make happy people. The standard liberal view that I've ever seen is basicly...TAX THE RICH for they are undeserving.
What I'm willing to do for this rights: Fight to the death.
The Military community is extremely lacking in liberals, even less in Democrates. Odd to see this statement here.
Boy, that sure sounds horrible and whiney to me.
read between the lines
War on drugs is clearly being lost since Tumor can smoke that much crack...
:D
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I would trust a man of God before I'd ever trust a gay teacher teaching my children about accepting homosexuality.
hehe...you would rather have a man of God teach your children about accepting homosexuality?
You probably have no idea how many gay teachers you have had in your lifetime. I've seen numbers anywhere from 7 - 10 percent of the population is gay. You figure it out. No one wants to teach your kids how to be gay. If they are, they will figure it out all by themselves. I should hope that the world will be more accepting of gays by the time your kids grow up. Just in case you know. What is it about gays that made you pick that group out of the list?
OTOH I don't want some secret member of the KKK to be teaching my kids about equality either. Or Jerry Falwell teaching my kids about his version of family values.
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KKK has been bankrupt and dead along time now. PETA, ELF and other left wing terrorist orgs make the KKK look like a bunch of amateurs.
On gay teachers, I have NO problems with gays, keep it in the closet, fine by me. Its the ones that feel that they must tell everyone, and some even feel that they MUST teach the children that its okay. Guess what, 2 guys or two girls have NEVER produced offspring. Its not okay, by nature or my moral standards. Incidently,your right, my kids WILL be not only learning about gays, but PAYING FOR THEM TOO!
Support them all you want. I say live and let live, but DON'T feel obligated to force it on my family. :)
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KKK has been bankrupt and dead along time now.
Not true, they just keep a low profile. There are still quite a few Klan around my area, I know several punks who are members.
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Originally posted by weazel
KKK has been bankrupt and dead along time now.
Not true, they just keep a low profile. There are still quite a few Klan around my area, I know several punks who are members.
The Anarchists have a bigger following than the KKK.
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Not if you include the American Nazi Party and the other Skin head orgs.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I would trust a man of God before I'd ever trust a gay teacher teaching my children about accepting homosexuality.
i wouldn't trust any "man of god" within a mile of my kids! there's never been a bigger front for pedophiles than the church.
if you really think those priests want to give up on sex and go live celibately with a bunch of other men for the rest of their lives .....please.... they need to just admit they are gay and get on with their lives.
libs are too relativistic, unrealistic and wishy washy. conservatives are too simplistic, plebian and easily led.
what a boring couple of choices.
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Both sides are wrong.
Using 'free' in an odd way here.
Free pr0n, free guns, free ammo, hunting licenses on your enemy, free booze, and free drugs.
Everything paid for by the hunting licenses.
That's the way to build a society. Screw equality and toejam.
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Originally posted by Karnak
1. Someone like Charleston Heston, with monomaniaical support of guns above all else, publishes a "How to" book on killing federal agents and grossly mis-states other's positions.
hmmm I think you have Heston confused with someone else. He does represent the NRA, but he has not written any books on how to kill agents. I checked google and yahoo and saw nothing about this.
Now as to his monomanaiical support of guns, I dont see how this would make him a nazi.... they banned guns in the hands of private citizens.
since someone already pointed out that R.Regan never made any laws (thats congress) I would only add that you might want to research your trolls a bit more before posting.
btw I also think that Falwell is a bit out of touch with reality.
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mrfish
did you have a bad experience as an altar boy or something? :)
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My cat's breath smells like cat food.
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Guys, I was reaching with Heston. I was very tired and in a hurry.
Besides, I support the right to bear arms. I just think that the vocal anti-gun people and the vocal pro-gun people are all morons.
Anti-gun wacko: "Duh, guns kills people, it because of guns da murder rate so high in da US. Lookit da guys in Columbine, dey used guns. Dat proves guns is bad and need be banned"
Pro-gun wacko: "Nu-uh, knives kill just as good as guns. If guns ain't available people would just do da same wit knives. Lookit dat mom in Texas, she kilt her kids wit a knife. Dat proves knives is just as deadly!"
Lets see, no guns don't kill people. Guns are not the reason that the murder rate is so high in the US.
Hmm, nope, knives are not as easy to kill with, there is a reason the modern militaries of the world us guns instead of knives and swords.
No single, or few, example(s) means jack toejam in this context. Both sides are lying through their teeth to make it seem they are completely correct and their opposition is evil. If they actually believe the crap they say they're idiots.
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As far as the War on Drugs goes. Dems and Repubs are both fully responsible in my opinion and both guilty of the transgressions against the US Constitution. Look at Bush and Gore's statements regarding drugs in the 2000 campaign. Can you tell a difference? I can't.
I don't think that Reagan caused the hostages to be held in Iran any longer than nessacary. I think those charges are as bogus as the rape accusations against Clinton. I think Clinton and Reagan are both guilty of perjury, Clinton just got caught.
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I made a mistake in my post about religion.
I said "Preach on the street corner, in church, in your home, in the wilderness, ect but do not expect the Government to press your religion on others for you."
The truth is you should be allowed to pray anywhere you want. Anywhere. If anybody says you can't they are wrong. If one of your children comes home and says a teacher told them they couldn't pray at school, that teacher was wrong (I'll see if I can find the relevant ruling later). Children are completely free to pray at school, they are completely free to gather in a prayer group. They are not allowed to lead the school body in a prayer over the PA system because that has the appearance of the school backing that one faith.
The "Teaching about Islam" that was (is?) being don here in CA is absolutely outrageous because of how it was being done. Classes covering major religions are fine, but not when they have children "role-play" praying in a faith's fashion.