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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: danish on February 03, 2001, 10:49:00 AM
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This tour I will try to keep an eye on my rank - allthough I cant say I understand what is happening.
Yesterday I was around No 60 in the "Fighter Rank", since then I have had a couple of kills, but today I fell like a stone on the charts, currently No 100.
At the moment My score looks like this (have only flown fighter sorties)
Kills / Deaths + 1 3.7500
Kills / Sorties 1.5000
Kills / Time online 0.0010
Hit percentage 0.0726
Points 898.0035
Kills 15 0 0 0 15
Assists 1 0 0 0 1
Sorties 10 0 0 0 10
Landed 6 0 0 0 6
Bailed 0 0 0 0 0
Ditched 1 0 0 0 1
Captured 0 0 0 0 0
Death 3 0 0 0 3
Disco 0 0 0 0 0
Time hh:mm:ss 04:02:35 00:00:00 00:00:00 00:00:00 04:02:35
Rank 100 621 272 583 482
No 98 looks like this:
Kills / Deaths + 1 1.1304
Kills / Sorties 1.0833
Kills / Time online 0.0010
Hit percentage 0.0905
Points 2591.8083
Kills 13 0 0 0 13
Assists 1 0 0 0 1
Sorties 12 2 0 0 14
Landed 1 1 0 0 2
Bailed 1 0 0 0 1
Ditched 0 0 0 0 0
Captured 1 0 0 0 1
Death 8 1 0 0 9
Disco 1 0 0 0 1
Time hh:mm:ss 03:31:37 00:09:40 00:00:00 00:00:00 03:41:17
Rank 98 429 272 583 327
To take another random score, like hmmm No 77
vs. Enemies Kills / Deaths + 1 1.2632
Kills / Sorties 1.0000
Kills / Time online 0.0023
Hit percentage 0.0658
Points 1437.6679
Kills 12 1 0 1 14
Assists 3 0 0 0 3
Sorties 12 6 1 3 22
Landed 3 3 1 2 9
Bailed 1 0 0 0 1
Ditched 0 1 0 0 1
Captured 2 0 0 0 2
Death 5 1 0 1 7
Disco 1 1 0 0 2
Time hh:mm:ss 01:27:21 01:58:23 00:04:38 00:31:17 04:01:39
Rank 77 35 242 56 16
This repeatable for a lot of the entries in the "Fighter Rank" entries.
I just cant figure it out.I should be way up the list compared to the two above mentioned exampels.Can anyone help me out here?
danish
[This message has been edited by danish (edited 02-03-2001).]
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Think fighter rank is based on your perk points, danish. Or just messed up (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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In "Perk Points Overview" it says "These points are totally separate from the regular scoring system."
So messed up I guess.Damn.Odd as it may seem good statistics is what gets me going (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
danish
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I think it weighs total points more than it should. Someone who spends 10 hours a day online and has a crappy K/D but a load of points can outrank someone with a high K/D but not many points.
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In real life the scoring ends when you die.
Kill to Death is all that really counts with fighters, and you can't properly mix fighter scores with vehicles and bombers to come up with a good total ranking. If you don't land you don't score! If you ditch in friendly territory, then maybe some minor adjustment.
As a result these categories of fighter, vehicle, bomber, attack, should be kept apart and not totalled into one best rank.
If, for example, Sunchaser was the best bomber pilot, then Sunchaser should be listed as the #1 in that category. His bomber score shouldn't be mixed with the late Citabria's fighter score to try to decide which one ranks #1. They both rank #1 in their respective categories.
Keep it simple. Leave out all those percents, time on, time in, time out, damage, etc. etc.
Rank the #1 in each category as the one who can do the most and live to tell about it. Quit digging up wrecked planes to view the gun camera film to see if the dead pilot gets credit for something. Just send the family his Purple Heart and his belongings.
Ranger Bob
[This message has been edited by RangerBob (edited 02-03-2001).]
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I had a k/d of 2.4 in tour 12, but only ranked about 230 in the fighter stats, 38 overall.
I'm guessing the points for k/d are moderated by the amount of time it took to get those kills, the number of sorties used etc.
But the overwhelming factor is the time taken to get those kills.
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At the moment I have dropped to No 108, and havnt flown anything.If the Fighter Rank scoring is just messed I would suspect at least some fluctuation, that is I should advance some - and then drop some.
That I am in a steady fall implies that either there is a simple "Time Used In Arena" modifier, or a modifier coupled up to other scorings.
With the old scoring the your K/D would keep you more or less on the same spot, even if you had to not play for a day or two.
I will not play on this account for some days.If I keep falling steadily then the Fighter Score isnt messed up.
I dont like this.
danish
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I think the ranking takes into account number of kills and what plane you used to get it etc, time spent, time per kil etc as well as k/d and k/s
IMO the only metric worth comparing is the k/d. The rank is rubbish. I think i was ranked 90th or something for tour 12 with a k/d of around 4:1 for about 150 planes killed. I wanted to work on improving k/d in tour 12, and the stats show i did. I dont care about rank per se.
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99.9% of my air2air kills in Tour 12 were in the La-5, yet I was still ranked 240. I don't think the type of plane flown has any bearing on the scores. If it did, the scores would be effectively linked to the perk points system (since a weaker plane gets more perk points per kill, generally speaking). I believe one system is independent to the other.
On the subject fo falling through the rankings, the complete opposite happened several times last tour. Without playing the game, I wouold gain rank. This is to be expected (obviously), since the players above me must have gone online and died a few times.
On the other hand it's more fun to forget the score and just play the game. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
- Koba
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Spatula agree that K/D is *the* most important parameter (that is why I would like it back as a sole rank), but if this value is linked only to things like hit % or K/S I would not expect my rank to fall steadily.
A time factor must then be coupled as well: that can be gathering of points (function of time) or simply time spent in arena.In other words: No-Job/No-Life modifiers.
Each time I read the "Scoring in 1.05" site I get more confused.Im not sure all facts are out there.
danish
[This message has been edited by danish (edited 02-03-2001).]
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If you guys think it's messed up check out my scores. I'm ranked #8 in fighter category... but should I really be?
(AKSWulfe for tour 13)
EDIT: All kills in the La5, except I don't believe there is a score modifier for each plane you fly.
-SW
[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 02-03-2001).]
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Danish, read my last post. You can't get time for just being in the arena. My rank actually went up, even though I didn't fly for about a week and a half.
I surmise that if you get lots of kills in a shot amount of time you will gain rank.
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Dowding agree that your experience contradict the time factor.But I dont think that its Kills/Time that makes the big difference either.
The exampel No 98 on my first post: he has same K/T better hit % and way better Points (2591.8083 v 898.0035 - how did he do that?), while I have way better K/D and better K/S.In other words: he dies a lot.Example No 77 on the other hand is a real fast killer (Kills/Time 0.0023 v 0.0010 ), he has some more points (1437.6679 v 898.0035 ) but other than that..
Nah just cant figure it out.Still will not fly a little while just to see what happens.
AKSeawulfe: I dont question your position on the Fighter Ranks, or others for that matter.I just dont understand the math behind it.At all.I used to follow my K/D rather close all tours from day one.This is behaving totally different.
danish
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How bout the guys that are like 251 in Fighters, 182 in Attack, 224 in Bombers, 302 in Vehicles...
Overall: 82
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
accumulative points maybe?
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Note to self: Answer this tomorrow when I am aren't drunk
Patience (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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We got scores too ? Great... uhh.. who cares (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I blow stuff up. I forget to click buttons when I do that. I find myself doin cuddlinghunk stuff like flyin goons, and manning ship guns, dying gloriously and frequently at the bottom of a dog pile. A landing's an event.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I'm just rollin in the mud, flyin like a happy idiot.. yet in Tour 12; came in 33rd in fighters, 36th in bombers, 113th overall. This in no way equates with my rank in the 'are yah havin fun?' catagory where I beleive I am always ranked in the top 10.
And the last score's the only one that counts. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 02-03-2001).]
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Was wondering when somebody would say "who cares about scores!".
Strange though, they always seem to know their score. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
bowser
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Yup, and they allways seem to hang around in these score threads hehe.
Btw still falling: now No 121.
danish
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There isn't a "Time Used In Arena" per se, but since your ammount of points won't increase if you don't play others will soon get more points than you and thus your rank in this catagory will increase (getting worse). Since your fighter rank is found by adding each individual fighter-skill rank (K/D, hit% etc.) and seeing who has the lowest number, you will slowly increase.
PS: It seems a lot of players try to see how good a K/D they can get the first few days of a tour before they start fly less catious. This makes a K/D of 3+ a regular sight at the beginning, than later. That means that your 3.75 might give you a better and better rank in the K/D stat as time goes, somewhat cancelling the effect of your low points value.
PPS: I think I am one of the few that says they DO care about score. I am not fanatic about having a good one, but feel I have more fun when I play to achive something.
It's not like I am doing milkruns endlessly to training facilities just to rack up bomb hit% of 500+ for instance.
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Thx for the reply Snefens!
These points is the Air points = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore I gather.
(where PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies
and
KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore)
Do you have any idea of some exact values?The No 98 exampel in my first post had an amazing score of points, seemingly unpunished by a lot of dying.
At least the points value must be rather heavy biased in the final Ratings Math.
About the K/D its true that a value between 3 and 4 isnt much, but in the 109 (mainly) its more hehe.(Hint: K/D ratings for each plane..)
danish
[This message has been edited by danish (edited 02-04-2001).]
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I don't think the points have a bigger weight on your fighter rank than the K/D.
It is unfortunate that we currently can't see our individual ranks on each skill, but I think I can make my point by looking at the scores from tour 11 instead.
Comparing your and a guy that had somewhat similar scores, only he got more points but smaller K/D, AKSkurj (sorry to either of you if you don't like me posting these stats):
Danish:
K/D: 2.3415 = Rank 46
K/S: 1.1429 = Rank 102
K/T: 0.0008 = Rank 431
Hit%: 0.0507 = Rank 313
Points: 1264.5027 = Rank 553
Total = 1445
AKSkurj:
K/D: 1.1901 = Rank 216
K/S: 0.9410 = Rank 170
K/T: 0.0009 = Rank 335
Hit%: 0.0422 = Rank 572
Points: 18566.0720 = Rank 7
Total = 1300
It is seen that although Skurj's K/D is worse than yours he really don't suffer much from this (only 170 rank-points difference). Reason is that a K/D of 1.19 is actually in the top 15% of all K/D's. No matter how good you do in this you can only be place so much better than him.
On the other hand you suffer tremendous by your low ammount of points.
One other thing to note is that the ranks are close just around the hit% you two have. A difference of 0.85% result in a rank 259 places apart. If you increased your hit% by this ammount you wouldn't gain more than 30 ranks.
Like it was stated last score thread: "To get a good rank you don't need to be good at anything, just don't suck at anything."
One can argue how much weight the total points should have. Like you describe it is currently controlled some by the deathmultiplier, but maybe it should be punished even more(5 or 10% points if you die instead of current 25%. Maybe even 0%)
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Thx again Snefens!
Guess the conclusion must be that Fighter Ranks are determined by the above mentioned entries, including the points awarded.These points will accumulate through time, no matter what - if you just kill a little.Fly much and preferably furball-like and the mass of points will carry you through other shortcommings fine.Still looks like no-life/no-job multiplier to me (no pun intended, but being in more than fulltime job + having family this leaves me out for sure.Simply cant put in the quantity.)
Dowdings experience of returning after a good deal of days discovering that he had actually gained in Fighter Ranks is I suspect a one-off - or perhaps a misreading (dowd: ur wellcome to post a "danish is a dork" ;=)
No need to be dramatic but this kind of stats is a real turn off for me.Nuff said.
Now fallen to 136.
danish
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I've had days where my rank has gotten better when I didn't fly.
Now I can't seem to buy a better rank. Was in the 80's for most of last tour and even got as low as 32 but now I can't get below 200. Course I haven't flown much this tour but I have noticed that sometimes I get no score for my last mission.