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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on February 03, 2002, 11:05:40 PM
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Anyone catch the commercials about how drug money is funding terrorist activity in the U.S.
Gimme a fargin' break...
It's a failed program. How low can they go?
"You know... if you smoke marijuana, you just might be contributing to the deaths of thousands from terrorist attacks."
You know... they all forget. Our parents tried that guilt toejam when we were teenagers.
It wasn't true then and it isn't true now.
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yeah who buys crappy imported weed anyway? no tellin what they did to it and it smokes like cardboard and smells like gas or something...
you oughtta know what you're getting and who it comes from anyway.
"san francisco fat smiley hippy growers: where organic patriotic pride goes into every stinky ounce..."
that's what i'm sayin ;)
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Okay:
US policy makes these drugs illegal. Because of that, Latin American goventments stay out of the drug production business. Therefore, "secondary governments" produce them. The same holds for hte poppy-growing regions like Afghanistan.
Hehe it reminds me of a Reagan 80s news item I saw: wooden cases of freeze-dried weed being shipped with the slogan "Help smoke the Russians out of Afghanistan!" Yeah right.
So now US citizens are to be blamed for the geopolitical results of their government's oppressive policy towards them?
give me a break.
(and, uh, no, the last time I did illegal drugs was so long ago, I could get a pretty good security clearance)
But as amusing as the drug commercials were, the tobacco ones were even better.
Here they are, they've got an easy target: an extremely addictive drug that produces a buttload of nasty medical sideeffects (BTW potheads, smoking dope does too -- and I've experienced a couple of them -- we just don't know what they are, 'cos our Gov't refuses to fund studies to find out), is one of the most physically addictive substances on the planet, and yet they decide to tell half-truths. Cyanide? Arsenic? Sure, but if you've ever burnt the toast, you've exposed yourself to that. How many smokers do you know who've died due to Cyanide poisoning? Uh, dude, to get that kind of concentration of the toxin, there's that small asphyxiation thing that intervenes first. Over a life time? Geez guys, emphysema and lung cancer aren't nasty enough that you have to make up lies?
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Ultimately, if you're trying to steer kids off drugs, you're doing a noble thing. But if you do so by lying to them, the moment they realize you're lying is the moment you've lost all authority in the matter. In my lifetime, I've smoked a couple cigarettes; I don't buy them regularly, and my consumption of tobacco is hardly measurable. But I saw these commercials with someone who'd never smoked, and after seeing such BS, he turned to me and said "these commercials make me feel like smoking."
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LOL!
I knew when I saw those commercials that a thread would start here explaining that the drug trade really isn't that bad.
I'm sure none of the money nor drugs anyone here buys/sells ever contributes to anything bad. Never. Its just good clean wholesome fun and nobody ever gets hurt.
AKDejaVu
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Plenty of people get hurt, maimed and killed every day... with the help of alcohol.
It doesn't stop Budweiser from displaying commercials during the Superbowl.
It's called hypocrisy.
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Sure sandman.. anything to relieve the conscience.. Though, I must say, even that sounds quite contrived.
I was just talking with someone the other day that told a "well... what about them?!" story. We all sighed at how using that card always makes the person look so stupid.
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Drug dealing is OK because drug dealers are economically disadvantaged and such. Oh yea root cause or something or other , yep uh something...... Its not their fault society let them down.... :rolleyes:
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Any drug users/dealers/trafficers should be taken out back and shot....... Rid the world of bastards who do drugs.
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Originally posted by Soviet
Any drug users/dealers/trafficers should be taken out back and shot....... Rid the world of bastards who do drugs.
i'll drink to that! (since alkihol aint a druug n' naither is cigumarettes or cawfee)
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Personally, I don't give two red cents about pot. Who freekin cares anyway? Hell it's damn near legal in most places, a misdemeanor unless your caught selling. But, it's a known fact that the Taliban (ie: Al-Queda) did most of thier financing through opium and smuggling of other hard-core drugs. Gosh, I suppose they made all thier money selling to Haji the local farmer? Naaa, I'd say they sold it to whats most likely the highest bidder...the good ole USofA (Britain too according to the information available, if not moreso)
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I thought the commercials really hit home. It they stop a kid from starting or get a head to think twice, maybe even stop before he centers his life around the toejame, they did their job and got their message across.
If you don't think they are true, you're just fooling yourself ....
Sober ain't so bad .... try it, you'll like it :)
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The only drug that i slightly agree with is Alcohol. I mean if you can take it within the limits and sparingly it hardly affects your body at all but if your gonna be a bastard and get drunk........
Cigarettes are bastards cigars i've lost too many family member to them and support banning them.
and how the hell is Coffee a drug? agreed Caffeine is a stimulant and is mildly addictive but it doesn't affect you besides some minor things.
But to say pot is ok is totally retarded, i mean when I was in High School it was amazing the amount of people who did it, i felt like killing everyone who did because they were hurting themselves. The gayest thing was how everyone was like "Ohh look at me i'm smoking weed i'm soooo cool now" i mean STFU.
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Raise your hand if you'd like to look across the living room to see your teenaged son or daughter smoking a fat one.
What, no hands? Didn't think so.
Nope, I don't drink either- unless you count diet coke. Not that drinking is the end of the world, it is legal and therefore does not contribute to black markets.
Maybe it is hypocracy to legalize alcohol and not marijuana, but facts is facts. Trying to keep kids off drugs seems like a good idea, as is trying to keep them off tobacco, alcohol, promiscuous sex, etc.
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I don't think the government should remain silent on the issue of substance abuse.
The impact it has on our society is pretty stunning.
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Heh, if standards are good, double standards must be twice as good.
Medicine - that's a drug. Lots of misuse of that. Lots of legitimate use as well.
I don't get the anti-drug people. I'm not some punk who robs old ladies and piss my life away. I rarely drink. There are other drugs I prefer, and sometimes use.
Telling me that I should be shot for having preferences other than alcohol all the time is being a bit silly. Perhaps people with such strong views should be shot themselves - they could even do it themselves :D.
The hypocricy of allowing alcohol and cigarretes while disallowing less harfum drugs reeks of a pungent odour of politicians-who-want-power-and-control
-over-you-because-they're-twats-who-aren't-enough-in-themselves-and-cannot-even-get-a-blowjob-from-a
-GOOD-looking-intern. It's stupid, and silly.
And Kieran, I agree. But, I ain't a kid. I'm a responsible adult. One who has to deal with the lowest of the low, enter high risk areas just to get some pot. Because alcohol makes me depressed, where pot makes me relax.
Alcohol is illegal to kids. Pot is illegal for everyone. I'd wager half a months pay that alcohol overall results in higher level of aggression than pot, and many more deaths.
So, surely something can be done? All the concerns raised about pot can be directly applied to alcohol, and when that is done, it is a hard to seee how one can be legal and the other not.
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StSanta, surely you agree that some drugs are dangerous? And that the use of those drugs should be controlled?
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Gunthr: Absolutely. I just differentiate between drug control and a complete ban on drugs.
I think it is reasonable to figure it out on a *scientific* basis, rather than on a political one. There are drugs that are dangerous not only to the user, but more specifically to his surroundings - during the time he is affected, but also even after a relatively short time of use.
Those drugs that do not adversely affect society overall should be allowed - in fact, one can argue that some drugs *help* in society as much as they destroy. I know of plety of people who wouldn't have girlfriends/boyfriends had it not been for the magic touch of Alcohol :).
What I am saying is: let's be reasonable and rational about this. I don't advocate legalizing crack or something like that: I ain't an extremist.
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Ok. Just checking ;)
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Heroin use is at a all-time high in US history, and my wife will account for that, as she works at an emergency room for a big city. I think the commercial if it *had* to tell you which drugs, was referring to the opium and cocaine products that enter this country.
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Originally posted by Soviet
The only drug that i slightly agree with is Alcohol. I mean if you can take it within the limits and sparingly it hardly affects your body at all but if your gonna be a bastard and get drunk........
Cigarettes are bastards cigars i've lost too many family member to them and support banning them.
and how the hell is Coffee a drug? agreed Caffeine is a stimulant and is mildly addictive but it doesn't affect you besides some minor things.
But to say pot is ok is totally retarded, i mean when I was in High School it was amazing the amount of people who did it, i felt like killing everyone who did because they were hurting themselves. The gayest thing was how everyone was like "Ohh look at me i'm smoking weed i'm soooo cool now" i mean STFU.
you gotta be the biggest world class idiot i've ever read. i'm fully convinced that no one is blinder than you.
alcohol hardly effects your body???? ever had a hangover? ever wonder why drunk people puke? did you know you can DIE from alcohol poisoning but no one has ever died from marijuana poisoning?
did you know alcohol is addictive and marijuana isnt? if you think alcohol "barely" affects the body in moderation, they what the HELL do you call the effects of marihjuana?!?! harsh?!?!?
some idiot said:
" i felt like killing everyone who did because they were hurting themselves"
you felt like murdering people because they were hurting themselves? ummm.... but you are ok with the millions of alcoholics roaming around? why cuz'n the television done said it was okie dokie you you moron tool? pleaseee....
you don't think caffeine is a drug?!?!?!?!?!?!
you are sooooooooo programed that you think a substance only qualifies as a drug if it's illegal.
hey sheep-bot, ask a cardiologist if caffeine is a drug (that's a heart doctor so you can save a dictionary trip) and see what he says.
you sure do want to 'kill people' an awful lot. you would drive right past a bar full of slobering drunk driving idiots just to go murder some guy smoking a joint.
a bunch of people rotting their livers is ok with you or getting beligerent losing their tempers and whoopin on people every time they get e sip but god for bid someone should light up.
i dont like you idiotic murderous threats i dont think its one bit funny to threaten to kill someone and if you feel like killing anyone you can come start with me tough guy.
dont forget your diddlyin army.
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It gladdens me to see that I'm not the only one in a bad mood today. :)
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Mr Fish, what are you smoking? Calm down, have a drink ;)
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Please, point one country where alcohol is legal?
Any?
No, it isnt legal if its illegal for underaged, get it? Coffee or sugar can be claimed to be "legal" substance, since its use, sale or manufacturing doesent have any special laws controlling it.
I dont know anybody, who would want pot to be legal, but i know plenty, who wants it to be treated as other partly legal addictive and harmfull substances, like tobacco or alcohol.
There isnt a single working argument against it as long as tobacco and alcohol arent applied by the same drug laws, as pot is.
Btw, if complete prohobition is better policy, than partial legalization, then tell me why US has almost the WORST drug problem in the world. Shouldnt the Dutch be in that situation with its relaxed attitude for drug use? Can you explain me reliably, why this isnt so? Why aint the prohobition cutting the drug use, like its claimed to be doing. You know, US has more marijuana users per capita, than Dutch.
HOW CAN THIS BE POSSIBLE IN COUNTRY WITH NEAR NAZI LIKE DRUG POLICIES? Shouldnt US have almost zero drug use rates?
Prohobition can be reasonable only, if it produces good results, but so far it havent made a single one. In fact, quite opposite, ie. Osama is just like Al Capone, using extremely-wanted-substance-prohobition for getting big bucks.
If your government doesent offer a legal way for you to buy the drug, thus "forcing" (quotes, since the only "have-to" in life is dying) you to buy the drug from black markets, then your government is supporting the black markets, not you. Its that simple.:o
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Soviet, it's incredible how poeple can be so gullible(sp?)...
Must be alcohool makes you a violent dude...on a messageboard :rolleyes:
It's not forbidden because it's dangerous, it's dangerous because it's forbidden(Tm)
. (this quote about sums up my opinion on the matter)
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gotta love the druggie justifications :)
hey, the commercials weren't aimed at you stoners, just like the truth commercials and the dying rat wasn't aimed at the heavy cig smokers, both laugh at anyone trying to change THEIR lifestyle :rolleyes:
It was geared toward the youth who are under enormous peer pressure to try the toejame. I see it as one more arrow in their quiver of sobriety...
as for the stoners, keep tellin ur self it doesn't effect your life, ur memory, concentration, life choices and go clean ur bong :)
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I can't believe I'm saying this... but I agree with DejaVu.
I thought the commercials were on the money, and are probably a lot more effective than parental guilt could ever be, considering the national fervor which has infected everyone these days.
I don't give a toejam what people do to their own bodies - as long as it doesn't affect me or those that I care for - but the trail of narcotics and cocaine leads back to people that I don't think any true American would want to support.
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War on Drugs = War on Liberty
I didn't have a problem with the commercials though. If somebody is stupid enough to believe that smoking pot supports terrorism, then they probably SHOULD lay off the weed. :)
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i felt like killing everyone who did because they were hurting themselves. The gayest thing was how everyone was like "Ohh look at me i'm smoking weed i'm soooo cool now" i mean STFU.
Seek Psychiatric Help
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Seems people are getting more wrapped up in justifying or critiquing use. To be honest, I don't care if a person uses drugs or not... that's their choice.
This topic should pertain more towards supporting something (financially) that has to be run on a black market level. Anyone wonder why the IRA moved to drug trafficing when donations started to dry up?
There's big money to be made in the drug market. Money that has to be hidden somewhere. You can argue that legalization would eliminate several concerns here... but you CANNOT argue that money is currently going towards many of the areas described in the commercial being critiqued.
AKDejaVu
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The fallacy you were thinking of AKDJV (""well... what about them?!") is either an ad hominem/tu quoque or a red herring.
the fallacy in these commercials is suppressed evidence. The reason why criminal organizations trade in drugs is that they can make artificially high profits thanks to the US's "War on Drugs". Either they find countries (like the US) where drugs are illegal and set up a de facto "second government", or they go someplace lawless, and run things from there. That's nasty stuff.
If you want to run commercials telling kids that cigarettes, alcohol and drugs are bad for them, great. But the nobility of the message doesn't justify lying to them. Quite the contrary: the moment they realize they're being lied to is the moment you've lost control.
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Originally posted by Soviet
Cigarettes are bastards cigars i've lost too many family member to them and support banning them.
Even your family members disagree with you, so you want to ban it for us. Do you care about us more then you cared about your family?
And killing people who were peacefully hurthing no one ut themselves?
Instead of venturing an opinion on your intelligence I would just sign under mrfish' post.
Kratzer: the trail of narcotics and cocaine leads back to people that I don't think any true American would want to support
And they are the ones benefitting from illegal status (and astronomical profits) of drugs.
funkedup: If somebody is stupid enough to believe that smoking pot supports terrorism
The drug-lords and terrorists often cooperate.
True, they do not have common goals and in fact when terrorists take power, they often successfully rid their countries of drugs. Terrorists are ready to risk their lives and their organisations are usually reliable while drug producers are in the business for profit and have no wish to risk their life.
Ordinarily druggies and terorrists do have much to gain from cooperation.
Terrorists often need money that drug lords have aplenty. Drug lords often have a need of reliable fighters ready to guard/assassinate/die, also the businesses smuggling and of illegal money traffic/laundering are common parts in both activities.
miko
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Akdeja, then why wont the government do something about the illegal drug trade? So far the havent done anything, atleast nothing that can be proven effective (if we think this issue as a whole).
Fact: People have used drugs atleast as long as we can study our history back (btw pot is older in recreational use, than alcohol). People use drugs as we speak and they will do so till the end of times.
If we note this fact, it would be reasonable to offer those drugs via LEGAL way to ADULTS who wants it (as we do on some drugs, like alcohol and tobacco, not to mention the prescription drugs). Otherwise we can be absolutely sure, that they will buy it from the black markets. With this fact in mind, its our government, that supports the black drug markets, but critizices the inviduals for using those markets, even that theres no legitimate alternatives available.
Questions, what happened with alcohol prohobition? Why was it put on place and why was it laid to rest pretty soon after? How does the worlwide drug prohobition differ from alcohol prohobition, from start to the unavoidable end? Whats the difference between Al Capone and Pablo Escobar? Why did Al Capone open the eyes of government, but Escobar did not, even that he had thousands of times more power and money over Al? Why i have the feeling, that Mr. Ashcroft aint asking these questions from himself when he does Hitler kind of speech against drug users?
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Vices are always a money-maker. Does that mean we should say, "WTF!", and go for it wholesale? I don't think so.
I'm with AKD wrt the black market aspect. Right or wrong, drugs are illegal. The comparison with alcohol ends there, ultimately.
Aside from the that, the war on hypocracy never ends. If you think legalizing pot will end hypocracy, you're wrong. All it will do is make a certain segment of our society happy- though this may not be in the whole country's best interests.
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Akdeja, then why wont the government do something about the illegal drug trade? So far the havent done anything, atleast nothing that can be proven effective (if we think this issue as a whole).
I'm sorry... but are you saying that its the governments fault that its citizens chose to buy drugs even though the government has made them illegal?
Is it also the governments fault that people routinely excede the speed limit on the highways too?
There is only one person responsible for any single purchase of drugs. It has nothing to do with the government... it has everything to do with an individuals decision.
Such is the price we pay to live in the U.S. We cannot allow the government to do the things necessary to eliminate illegal drug sales... pretty much EVERYONE agrees to that. The question is, how much should we rely on them? I mean.. even if its subtle such as commercials in a football game... there are uproars.
If we note this fact, it would be reasonable to offer those drugs via LEGAL way to ADULTS who wants it (as we do on some drugs, like alcohol and tobacco, not to mention the prescription drugs). Otherwise we can be absolutely sure, that they will buy it from the black markets. With this fact in mind, its our government, that supports the black drug markets, but critizices the inviduals for using those markets, even that theres no legitimate alternatives available.
The black market will exist as long as something desired is deemed illegal. Legalizing everything to avoid a black market situation is not the answer. Nor is it an excuse for people currently contributing to black market situations.
IF YOU ARE BUYING DRUGS YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE BLACK MARKET DRUG DEALING UNDERGROUND. IF YOU DO NOT BUY DRUGS, YOU ARE NOT. Sorry, but that is pretty simple. Everything else is just an excuse for justifying an illegal habbit.
Personally, I have no problem with drug use. I do have a problem with the denial that goes into accepting just where the money used to buy drugs goes.
Fact: People have used drugs atleast as long as we can study our history back (btw pot is older in recreational use, than alcohol). People use drugs as we speak and they will do so till the end of times.
So... I could sit and list quite a few things that occured frequently in past history that aren't quite legal these days. The law is about the here and now... not about the past. Its actually a common belief that the law was designed to learn from past mistakes.
Questions, what happened with alcohol prohobition? Why was it put on place and why was it laid to rest pretty soon after?
The men came back from war... and realized the impact of allowing the women to vote.
Whats the difference between Al Capone and Pablo Escobar? Why did Al Capone open the eyes of government, but Escobar did not, even that he had thousands of times more power and money over Al?
Where did Al Capone live? Where did Escobar live? That's pretty easy. When alchohol was being smuggled in from Canada, we didn't go after them damn Canadians.
Why i have the feeling, that Mr. Ashcroft aint asking these questions from himself when he does Hitler kind of speech against drug users?
Ah.. yes.. let's liken anti-illegal-drug-use speaches to behing Hitleresque. Excellent way to prove your point. Now.. just for clarity... is this the government that you feel should be doing more about the drug trafficing if they were really that concerned about it?
the fallacy in these commercials is suppressed evidence. The reason why criminal organizations trade in drugs is that they can make artificially high profits thanks to the US's "War on Drugs".
You do realize that you are linking criminal organizations to drug trafficing don't you? And "artifically high profits"?! What is a more realistic price controlled price for drugs?
Besides... its quite clear that drugs being illegal is why there is a black market. Its why drugs are smuggled into the country. Its why people are killed, bribed and robbed.
The only thing that is really in question is exactly who is funding all this. I think alot of people in the U.S. and on this forum are in denial on this particular topic.
AKDejaVu
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Pablo Ecobar and other drug lords are not interested in drugs being made legal - quite the opposite.
He is corrupting our country three ways:
1. Encouraging the citizens/children to disrespect/break the laws by engaging in illegal activity.
2. Corrupting our legislature to keep drugs illegal so that they can make thier profits.
3. Corrupting our law enforcement to conduct their trade.
And of course there are secondary effects of drugs like crime to get money for them.
If drugs were legal, they would be dirt cheap, adhere to standards, their sale well regulated.
They would be easier to get for adults but there would be no insentive for people to "push" them onto the children.
Also, there would not be that "forbidden fruit" temptation.
miko
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"If drugs were legal, they would be dirt cheap, adhere to standards, their sale well regulated.
They would be easier to get for adults but there would be no insentive for people to "push" them onto the children.
Also, there would not be that "forbidden fruit" temptation."
Are you talking about Crack Cocaine? Powder cocaine? Crystal Meth? LSD? Heroin? Morhine derivatives? Amphetamines? PCP? Rohypnol? Ecstasy? GHB, 0pium?
The idea is preposterous. You can't deal with the issue of "drugs" without making some distinctions between drugs, and even then, the issue is more complicated than it first appears.
I have to wonder: what kind of message does it send our children if our society promotes or tacitly approves of the culture of drug use? I just can't see it as a good thing for society to officially condone.
Regarding pot, any drug that is "psychoactive" can be psychologically addicting, so even though you may be able to take it or leave it, there are many people who feel they can't function well or enjoy things without it.
The government CAN'T legalize it. The government would have its collective bellybutton sued off the first time some pot head got cancer of the throat!
Love is the drug for me :)
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It's absoultly amazing seeing all the druggies support their precious high here. I rarly if ever drink alcohol. Have never smoked a Cigarette or done any of those other drugs. I mean come on you think marijuana is ok? Your the ones who need psyhiatic help. I knew i was gonna get flamed for this cause you guys view Pot as OK. Well it's not ok, it's illegal who the hell gave you the right to decide if a law is worth following or not? Like it or not we must follow the laws set before us. You don't like it? Call your congressman to get it changed. To say Marijuana is ok is roadkill sure maybe it doesn't affect you too much physically but it's addictive and cost money, money that could be put to better things like supporting your children.
If adults do marijuana then children get the image "oh it's ok for him to do it and he's an adult. I'm sure it's fine for me to smoke a joint" Believe me in High School 1 in 4 kids were doing drugs on a regular basis.
Granted, my violent threats were an outburst of anger, i appologize for making those. I've just seen to many people get hurt by drugs, i've seen friends file for bankruptcy, i've seen people die of alcohol poisoning, i've seen family and friends die from lung cancer and emphazema (sp?) caused from cigarettes. To tell the truth cigarettes are one of the worse drugs because they affect people around the smoker, second hand smoke.... I just view it as clean to not do any drugs and i'd like other people to stay drug free because it really is the best way to live.
sorry for everything that sounded offensive I'm just voicing my opinion without any modifications.
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Anyone remember the Squad "United Pot Heads Of America"?
Well, they are a bunch of f*(&ing morons. Drugs are wrong anyway you look at it? Wana do drugs? Go live in Iraq, Iran, or Africa where there are no laws and you can do what ever you want. Anyone who does drugs should be locked up for life IMO. ;)
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BTW MrFish, i'm guessing you do drugs....you seem to be defending them pretty well. Personally , i love watching TV and see drug dealers get busted, gives me a good laugh. Put'em where they belong, behind bars :rolleyes:
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Marijuana is not addictive- at all.
-SW
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Originally posted by Soviet
I rarly if ever drink alcohol.
...but you do drink alcohol sometimes right?...to get high or for nutritional value?
and you have no problem with others taking the drug alcohol to get high...right?
of course not becaue that's - uh - well... that's different that's all...
Originally posted by Soviet
Well it's not ok, it's illegal who the hell gave you the right to decide if a law is worth following or not?
governments love people like you.
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Another fallacy: Ad hominem circumstantial. The fact that someone uses drugs has no bearing on the cogency of the argument. That person can make a bad argument or a good one.
Yes, illegal drugs are profitable because they're illegal. Yes, organized criminals run drugs because they're profitable. Yes, organized crime is nasty for human life in general; and yes, governments hostile to the US have been known to support the production of illegal drugs.
Sure, you could by this logic say that someone who buys illegal drugs supports terrorism.
But by the same logic, you could argue that the US, by making drugs illegal, supports terrorism.
And guess what? If you look at our jails, it's pretty hard to legislate narcotics out of existence. So if the purveyors of the "drugs support terrorism" message honestly believed this to be the main reason why drugs are bad, they'd be supporting the legalization of drugs currently deemed illegal.
That's the problem here. The argument being made is not that drugs are detrimental to one's health, destroy communities ruin lives, but that they support terrorism. And, if that's the case, the solution isn't to ask every drug user to stop, but to ruin the ability of organized criminals to profit from drugs.
That's why the ad is ultimately supporting a lie. Nobody who's posted here has argued that legalization and control won't kill the profits for these groups. And nobody here believes that asking people not to use drugs will have much of an effect on the profits for these groups. So ultimately, the ad is lie. And who here would dare lie to their kids about the effects of drugs? If they catch you in one small lie, they'll just tune you out.
I mean, come on, the truth isn't scary enough?
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What ever happened to "Give me liberty or give me death" or as Tahgut wrote in a post the other day "Any one who would give up freedom for security deserves neither"
Question 1. Do we live in a free country?
Question 2. Is it anybodies business what the hell I do in my own home, by myself?
Question 3. Why the hell do they try and link marijuana usage with terrorism? That's freakin stupid and lends credence to what Weazel says about Bush. (enjoy you'r bone Weazel it's the only one you're getting :D) Heroine usage, yes though I bet most of what we get comes from South America.
Question 4. Where is the opium grown/sold that is used to make the USA/Worlds supply of say Morphine, Dimerol and all the other medicaly accepted opiets.
Question 5. How many people last weekend were killed in stoned driver accedents?
Question 6. How many people were killed last weekend in drunk driving accedents? How many since 9/11?
I watched the movie "Untouchables" this weekend with Costner and Denero. Man it's amazing how much that paralells the drug gangs of today. Why is it that people refuse to learn from history?
USA drug laws are hypocritical. Kids see throuh this. I wish I had seen the drug commercial but was playing GR durring 1/2 time. HMMMMM I wonder did they play one the other drug commercials? You know the ones selling anything from nose dryerupers to weenie growers? You think kids don't see the hypocracy in that? This drug is bad and helps terrorists, this drug is good and helps us all live (with the listed side effects) Kids don't do drugs! That hypocritical approach will turn a teenaged rebel to drugs faster than sitting them infront of the stuff. HMMMM if they lie about this they must lie about the effects/after effects too. Don't forget, kids are smart.
About 4 years ago at Thanksgiving with my dad and OLD friends of the family. I've known these 2 my whole life, my dad went to school with them back in the 50's! We're sitting at the table eating and talking. We're all Republican and are generaly squeaking about Clinton. My dad, to mess, with me, brings up the subject of marijuana. Man oh man Uncle Julian starts fuming at the mouth going on an on about how bad that stuff is and how it gives flashbacks and what not :rolleyes: how it makes you listen to acid rock!! Then he spouts off with "Everybody who smokes pot should be executed, that would solve the problem" Now one thing I must say is that these people are like family to me, I literally called them Uncle Julian and Aunt Pat my entire life. You should have seen the look on their faces when I said in a saddened tone of vouce "You wan't me dead Uncle Julian?" Well I was actually able to talk them down from that hardcore stance to only killing the dealers. My point is that you should really think about how hardcore you are on this issue, you never know who you'd be sentencing to death.
And yes this next statement is a generalization, but it's still true. Anybody who doesn't think today's drug laws are hypocritical is either 1. very ignorant/stupid or 2. lying to either themselves or their loved ones. To lie to keep somebody from doing something is the absolute worst way to keep them from doing it. WHEN they find out you're lying they will do it in spades and probobly have trust issues with you from then on. Also, how many freakin people have spent years of their lives in prison with true evil people (ie.. murderers and rapists) for some galdarned pot. That's diddlying evil man anyway you look at it. Screw the law, sometimes it's WRONG (ie...slavery and civil rights) That's the worst part of the messed up laws, how many lives they've ruined.
work needs me....
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I'm still waiting to see somebody get hurt from POT. Well that's not true anymore. One night last week I was smokin. Took a REALLY BIG HIT , you know about 5 times my lung capacity, and decided that I was goin to keep it as long as I could. Which turned out to be about 3 seconds :D Well the nerves that tell my sinus and face muscles what to do when you cough got cut off or something because my nose and mouth stayed shut. The smoke in my lungs was forced up my sinus passage and actually got past my nose and into the sinus cavities above my eyes. I over pressured my whole face hehehe it hurt squealing bad!!!! had an instant sinus headache for about 3 hours after that too and I could smell it the next day ;). First time in 20+ years I hurt myself doing that LOL!!!! Somebody kill me please I need the rescue!
ditto to everything mrfish said in this thread....................
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Marijuana is not addictive- at all.
-SW
bull
this is an over generalization, it may or may not be for you but you cannot say it isn't for everyone. depends on many factors one of which is how heavy a smoker is. There are many kinds of addictions, some physical, some in da head....
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Are you talking about Crack Cocaine? Powder cocaine? Crystal Meth? LSD? Heroin? Morhine derivatives? Amphetamines? PCP? Rohypnol? Ecstasy? GHB?.
I guess that is your list of "extremely harmful" drugs? Why are LSD and GHB on that list? There are also many other drugs that I think should be in regulated sale like hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Dutch drug policy is doing quite well despite of US pressure and that is the direction in Europe. This my view of ideal drug policy, there would be three categories for regulated substances:
-Regulated sale of "soft" drugs to adults(18). Drugs like cannabis, GHB and many hallucinogens would be in this category.
-Addictive drugs that would only be sold by prescription to addicts, opiates would be in this category. There would be 2 big profits from this kind of arrengement. Firstly, people wouldn't have to resort to crimes to get their stuff. Secondly, there wouldn't be a call for huge illegal markets, thus there would smaller risk of people getting in contact with these drugs.
-Totally banned drugs, maybe meth and PCP. To make their prophibition work there should be safer alternatives to these drugs in other categories ie. meth could be in this group, but "regular" amphetamine would be in one of the other groups. Also health effects of these drugs should be thoroughly researched and honestly published. Law enforcement should be directed against import and manufacturing of drugs in this category.
Any thoughts how cocaine and ecstacy should be treated in this kind of system? Both are very popular with quite serious health effects and addictivity in case of cocaine.
Mora
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Wondered who would be the first to show up and try to refute that.
Hey man, I ain't saying off the top of my head that it isn't addictive. This is straight from your very own Federal Government that deems this drug "illegal". I ain't blowin' smoke up your ass, although you guys seem to think that while you have very little to no information about these drugs, that you can comment on it.
I know that there are things such as.. okay here it goes so stay with me: Physical dependence and MENTAL dependence. But do you know what this means? Physical means that there is something in the drug that attaches itself to your receptor cell sites. This in turn causes a need for these receptor cells to have this new drug that replaced a naturally occuring one to remain on the receptor cells. What happens when you don't get this artificial component that your body has adapated to? It goes into shock, and you become either a little sick, or very violently ill.
Mental dependence is when you need the drug to function properly. Kind of like ritalin. Or maybe all those other pills you see advertised on TV to help you get through life. If you take that away, the person simply can not function anymore. Things like opium, LSD, ecstasy or crank have these properties, but are also physically addictive.
Marijuana does not have the properties to make it physically addictive, once it's out of your body you won't crave it. It does not form a mental dependence because it does make your mind need it. YOU want it, but you don't NEED it to function properly. You might think you do, but you don't.
Marijauna is habit forming, and that's that.
This isn't some second hand information I picked up off of some tard on the street, or sitting behind a podium trying to save his political career, this information comes straight from your federal government from extensive research and testing.
So, call bull on it. I don't give a rat's ass, but I'm not the one roadkillting here.
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So it appears what we should do is totally disregard all laws we feel unnecessary, no longer try to tell our children to avoid alcohol and drugs because they will ultimately see through the sham, and of course never tell them to not do any particular wrong (as it is highly likely we have committed the wrongs ourselves, and we couldn't live with the hypocracy).
Gee, kids really do get to raise themselves in some homes...
You guys are way overreacting over a commercial.
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Originally posted by Kieran
So it appears what we should do is totally disregard all laws we feel unnecessary,....
Well it is the American way. Look at our history. You come to Tx with you're wife or girlfriend and you have sex (not trying to make this personal to you personaly). Did you know that here and in most southern states that if you do anything other than missionary position that you have committed sodome and broken this states sodomy laws? Have you ever gone 36 in a 35mph zone? 60 in a 55? Actually not following or obeying laws is one of the ways we change them here!
again I ask, are we a free country?
liberty or death?
smoke a joint go to jail? that's evil !!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: and whoopeeit it's un-American too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:
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Originally posted by Udie at Work
"Everybody who smokes pot should be executed, that would solve the problem"
Your uncle Julian is a wise man
In fact that's worthy sig material
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Question 3. Why the hell do they try and link marijuana usage with terrorism? That's freakin stupid and lends credence to what Weazel says about Bush.
Time to give a special thanks to the IRA. It was their major source of cash for the last decade.
Marijuana being the smuggled substance... guns being another. Only one was going into the USA however.
Its called denial Udie.. you'll get better some day;)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Soviet
Your uncle Julian is a wise man
In fact that's worthy sig material
you are pretty sad for wishing for a whole round of orphans and widows in the world. you want to put people for death for smoking weed?
are you gonna be the big tough guy that yanks mary outta class and puts her in the electric chair for smoking weed? are you gonna haul away dad from the family for taking a toke with his friends on the weekends at a football party?
all the while toting your keys on a budweiser frogs key chain probably.
if you were drowning, i wouldnt even stop to spit on you.
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MrFish, i happen to agree with Soviet. The answer to your question is Yes. Lets see, what do drug dealers, and druggies do in our society...rob people for money to buy drugs, drag society down, and break law. Is that the type of people that you want or the US wants, NO. The US and other countires want people who work for money, not stick up people. All these druggies NEED TO GET A LIFE AND GET THERE bellybutton TO WORK. These people think they are above the law, and can smoke weed and pot, wrong. If peoples lives are soo bad that the need to resort to drugs, most likey they dont even want to live anymore. Drugs are a lowly act that are done by people who cant handle life. Udie's uncle is a very smart man. He sounds like a person who earned his living, and a hard worker. The type of person i admire and look up to. And BTW, that quote is definatlly siggy matieral
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Originally posted by mrfish
you are pretty sad for wishing for a whole round of orphans and widows in the world. you want to put people for death for smoking weed?
are you gonna be the big tough guy that yanks mary outta class and puts her in the electric chair for smoking weed? are you gonna haul away dad from the family for taking a toke with his friends on the weekends at a football party?
all the while toting your keys on a budweiser frogs key chain probably.
if you were drowning, i wouldnt even stop to spit on you.
Your not even worth my time.........
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I could have read all that garbage and come up with a really witty response, but I'm got halfway through and didn't need to go any farther. Mrfish is right. Alcohol harms far more people than pot. Pot smokers are not dangerous, yet they make up the majority of drug arrests every year. Why? Because pot heads are easy targets. You're not going to see many stoners put up much of a fight when the police come. Stop wasting the money spent every year to try to stop weed and spend it on something that might actually accomplish a goal. Make pot legal and tax the hell out of it. Use that money to help treat the addicts of the serious problems: heroin, cocaine, and (gasp) alchohol. I wonder how far eliminating the thousands of pot users from prison would go towards helping our prison overcrowding problem?
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Don't worry Dinger. The only reason why no one is responding to you, is because you are making sense. They honestly don't want to deal with that. They just want to indulge in a lot of righteouse indignation. It make them feel morally superior or something.
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As i said...you wana smoke pot and break laws...go to Iraq, Iran, Somalia, or places like that. You could smoke all day, and no one will bother you. Sounds good, huh?:rolleyes:
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I hope none of you anti-drug crusaders drink. Because if you get drunk, you are a drug abuser. Don't confuse legality and morality.
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You know i don't like the law on assault much, i think i should go around beating people because i don't like the law on assault. See what i'm getting at, you can't just follow what laws you want to. And i don't even do alcohol much, i only had it a few times during holidays when i was young. Hell I don't even like it. Mr. Fish you diddlying studmuffingot, you need to get a job and stop smoking your Golly-geen weed, it's turned you into a soldier of pot. Get a diddlying life.
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I will swear on the bible if you want, but i have never had a drop of alcohol or taken drugs. It's the right thing to do
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
MrFish, i happen to agree with Soviet. The answer to your question is Yes. Lets see, what do drug dealers, and druggies do in our society...rob people for money to buy drugs, drag society down, and break law. Is that the type of people that you want or the US wants, NO. The US and other countires want people who work for money, not stick up people. All these druggies NEED TO GET A LIFE AND GET THERE bellybutton TO WORK. These people think they are above the law, and can smoke weed and pot, wrong. If peoples lives are soo bad that the need to resort to drugs, most likey they dont even want to live anymore. Drugs are a lowly act that are done by people who cant handle life. Udie's uncle is a very smart man. He sounds like a person who earned his living, and a hard worker. The type of person i admire and look up to. And BTW, that quote is definatlly siggy matieral
and you dont drink or smoke cigarettes? yeah right.
you would sanction the death of all those people? where are all the christian morals now on this board?
i tell you if you sin in your mind it is like sinning in reality right? you pompous pious tulips sit back flacid, cowardly and ineffectual getting outraged about homo teachers while people make death threats. shame.
you are homicidal maniacs and hypocrits beside.
maybe if marijuana were packaged with the image of a camel and spread out on the side of a nascar then idiots like you would snap out of it.
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I will swear on the bible if you want, but i have never had a drop of alcohol or taken drugs. It's the right thing to do
Never have, never will. And no, i dont smoke either. Why would i wana make myself die at 50? I have a good life, i dont need drugs and stuff like that
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Originally posted by mrfish
and you dont drink or smoke cigarettes?
I'm completly clean have never smoked done drugs. I only had champagne once when i was like 12 on new years that's it. I think all drugs are the substances of the devil. And you my friend Mr. Fish are a druggie come on come out of the closet you pot head.
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I will swear on the bible if you want, but i have never had a drop of alcohol or taken drugs. It's the right thing to do
Joe that's cool. Stick with it.
But I reserve the right to put into my body anything I want. I reserve the right to grow whatever plants I want to grow for my own personal consumption. Absodiddlyinglutely none of your or the government's business.
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I fought for my country, have served in the Armed Forces for over 12 years, have raised 2 outstanding children. I counsel hundreds of people a month who suffer from PTSD, Depression, Personality Disorders, and (gasp again) Substance Abuse. Yet, you're saying that if I decided I wanted to go home and smoke a doob tonight that I should be executed?
JoeCrip and Soviet, someday you might want to buy a ticket to this place called the Real World™. No, it's not a MTV show. Out of curiousity, how old are the 2 of you?
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I fought for my country, have served in the Armed Forces for over 12 years, have raised 2 outstanding children. I counsel hundreds of people a month who suffer from PTSD, Depression, Personality Disorders, and (gasp again) Substance Abuse. Yet, you're saying that if I decided I wanted to go home and smoke a doob tonight that I should be executed?
YES!
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Absolutely pathetic. I have never seen so much ignorance in my life. It's like you don't even want to know what you are talking about, you'd prefer to be an ignorant dolt and spout off about this or that when you don't even know what the diddly you are talking about.
JoeCrip, Soviet, get this into your head. Everyday you meet new people. Of those people 90% of them are drug users, whether it be legal or illegal it doesn't matter- they are still drug users. Your boss, your buddies at work, the businessman on the metro, the senator writing your laws, the president leading your country, and just about every one else under the sun. The only thing that makes you view them as better than the other "typical" pot heads or druggies is that they don't make good poster boys for your precious government to use against drugs.
I mean imagine, a pothead that is highly successful making $300K a year... that's just... impossible! Not.
-SW
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Guys I'm pretty sure JoeCrip and Soviet are in Junior High. They've spent too much time recently worshipping the D.A.R.E. cops. So don't take them too seriously.
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Potheads are the scum of the earth , and they dont deserve to live on it. Why not reactive the
"United Pot Heads of America Squad"
You can all go there and O/D :rolleyes:
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So basically, our last 2 Presidents should both have been executed? ROFL :rolleyes: So anyway, just how old are the 2 of ya?
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
Potheads are the scum of the earth , and they dont deserve to live on it. Why not reactive the
"United Pot Heads of America Squad"
You can all go there and O/D :rolleyes:
When was the last time you ever heard of someone overdosing on marijuana?
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funked, i am 23, i follow the law, and work hard. I did listen to the DARE cops and look now. I am sucessful, and have a job. These pot heads are robbing people to get money for their *precious high*. They need to get a life and a job.
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Originally posted by funkedup
Guys I'm pretty sure JoeCrip and Soviet are in Junior High. They've spent too much time recently worshipping the D.A.R.E. cops. So don't take them too seriously.
You diddlying cock sucker, we're not in junior high we're both 23 and have grown up in the same town our whole lives. The fact is drug users are studmuffingots who need a life, pot is wrong man accept the fact.
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Rab, do i think Bush should be president...NO. I voted Gore
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Potheads are the scum of the earth , and they dont deserve to live on it. Why not reactive the
"United Pot Heads of America Squad"
You can all go there and O/D
So basically what you are saying here is "I'm a complete and total diddlying moron. I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't have the mental capacity to go out and read about anything I'm talking about and I don't care to know what I'm talking about. So long as the crap continuously spews forth from me like diarhea"
That's basically what you are saying... because you can't overdose on marijuana you damn fool!
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AKS, i never did it, so i wouldnt know. Just somthing i assumed
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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Potheads are the scum of the earth , and they dont deserve to live on it. Why not reactive the
"United Pot Heads of America Squad"
You can all go there and O/D
So basically what you are saying here is "I'm a complete and total diddlying moron. I don't know what I'm talking about, I don't have the mental capacity to go out and read about anything I'm talking about and I don't care to know what I'm talking about. So long as the crap continuously spews forth from me like diarhea"
That's basically what you are saying... because you can't overdose on marijuana you damn fool!
-SW
stfu pothead and quit using your diddlying weed. Weed is bad for you. If I were prez you would be one of my first executions.
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
Rab, do i think Bush should be president...NO. I voted Gore
...who also admitted to smoking weed.
(moron)
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Yes, something you assumed. Because you didn't do pot, you assumed.... well here's an assumption, I'll assume that these things are actually out there on the internet. Easy to find. Two search strings you can start off with: Marijuana and THC.
Once you're done assuming, and you actually know a lick of what you are talking about- come back and we'll talk. Until then, shut the hell up. You are only making yourself look dumber by the post.
-SW
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Originally posted by mrfish
...who also admitted to smoking weed.
(moron)
Mr. Fish so your saying since others have done it, it is perfectly acceptable. That just proves your easily influenced by others.
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MrFish, go knock yourself up on glue or somthing
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go knock yourself up on glue or somthing
AKS, same goes for you
Defending drugs? Thats one of the lowelsty acts i have ever seen. You need to get a job, and do some work. Have you ever heard of work? or just sticking the glue bottle up your nose?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Soviet
Mr. Fish so your saying since others have done it, it is perfectly acceptable. That just proves your easily influenced by others.
umm...no, no what i'm saying is that joe crip voted for a pothead for office.
but good try though, you almost had a cogent thought.
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MrFish, i would say you have the equvilance of a 3rd grade education? If you didnt understand what soviet said, you obviously aint too bright:eek:
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all i know is that somewhere, in some trailor park, somehwere in america, someone isnt going to get their pizza on time unless you two get off the boss's computer and get back to that job you're so proud of.
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What's the matter, you two ran out of roadkill to spout, so now you are relying on the insults to prove your point?
Well, I'll give you this much, beyond a doubt you two are completely and totally clueless. You believe the lies you were fed, and you have absolutely no intention of double checking anything. You believe drug users are scum, when in fact it's the drug dealers, and drug lords... and guess who the hell keeps those kinds of people in business? That's right, the UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Soviet, half of everything you do everyday is bad for you. Diet coke? toejam, that's bad for you. That fake sugar (nutra sweet) ain't no good for you. It'll give you a stroke, and can lead to other complications. Alka Seltzer- you ever wondered why they pulled it from the shelves a few years back? It's back now, but if you compare the active ingredients of the two, you'll notice something missing on the newer version. Why? The old one killed several people, and left others disabled from strokes.
Weed is only bad for you if you smoke it. You can ingest it and be fine. But, just as weed is bad for you, the ignorance you are portraying here is much worse. Makes you look like a fool.
-SW
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Originally posted by mrfish
all i know is that somewhere, in some trailor park, somehwere in america, someone isnt going to get their pizza on time unless you two get off the boss's computer and get back to that job you're so proud of.
LMFAO, thanks for making me spit all over my monitor. :D
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
Defending drugs? Thats one of the lowelsty acts i have ever seen. You need to get a job, and do some work. Have you ever heard of work? or just sticking the glue bottle up your nose?:rolleyes:
Yes, work I know what that is. No, I do not give blow jobs on the corner for 2cents/hour like you... I work for.... the FEDERAL government.
handsomehunk.
-SW
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
AKS, same goes for you
Defending drugs? Thats one of the lowelsty acts i have ever seen. You need to get a job, and do some work. Have you ever heard of work? or just sticking the glue bottle up your nose?:rolleyes:
You're fooling yourself Joe. Check your history. Mankind has been using all sorts of mind altering substances since the beginning of history.
It's not a morality issue. No matter what the D.A.R.E. cops told you.
There are plenty of fine, upstanding, productive members of society that use drugs... and I'm not just talking about the big three (alcohol, nicotine, caffiene).
P.S. Some of them are PARENTS !
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Originally posted by JoeCrip
funked, i am 23, i follow the law, and work hard. I did listen to the DARE cops and look now. I am sucessful, and have a job. These pot heads are robbing people to get money for their *precious high*. They need to get a life and a job.
I'm 32 have a good paying job with fantastic benefits 1 year into my new career, 12 years into my working life. Didn't finish highschool or college and defenately ignored Nancy Reagan when she said "Just say No!". I've been in meetings with multi millionairs designing thier houses and they had no clue that I burned a big fatty on the way to the meeting. I now do civil design which ain't easy let me tell you. There's all kinds of math involved, trig, geometry, some calculus and even diferential equations. You know what? 20 years of HEAVY[/u] pot smoking has had no ill effect on my ability to learn or perform my job duties or any other life duty. The only thing that bothers me is my writing skill suck. I didn't learn those before I dropped out and have never bothered to try to learn propper grammar. I notice that others that did graduate have the same problem though so I don't give it much thought. Pot smokers aren't what you think they are man. Just like a gun don't kill a person, pot doesn't make somebody a lazy do nothing criminal, that's already in them. Live a bit more and I bet you'll see that first hand as you see you're friends lives all take diferent paths. I know NO criminal pot smokers and probobly 60% or more of the people I know smoke.
Here's a list of people I robbed or mugged to get my fix.
ok
Now I'm proud for you that you managed to navigate your way through the teenage years without lighting up or drinking beer or doing any thing illegal. That's a damned tough thing to do and if you've done it you should be proud. Do you're self a favor one day, light one up so you can see what you misssed.
You want to talk about smack heads or crack heads or meth addicts being bad people then I'll agree with ya, but pot smokers aren't like that. You'd be suprised who lights up........................... ........:cool:
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Wow... Udie and I are on the same side of an argument...
Go figure. :D
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Originally posted by Soviet
You diddlying cock sucker, we're not in junior high we're both 23 and have grown up in the same town our whole lives. The fact is drug users are studmuffingots who need a life, pot is wrong man accept the fact.
Hehe, I pity You.
You are a sad little salamander bigot.
You are worse scum, on the same level as drug dealers.
I hate ignorance dealers..
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Just because me and Soviet dont do drugs we are being ganged? The "United Pot Heads Of America" Squad is waiting for you all. Go O/D and talk about drugs there.
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Just want to take this opportunity to say the two kids are way out of line.
If you are a believe that drugs=failure and no-drugs=success... you need to get a little more exposure to the real world. There is zero correlation between the two.
As far as what is worse... alcohol or marijuana... I don't really know. Most of the people I know who were in fatal car accidents were drunk and stoned. I know one person that drove into someone's backyard while drunk, and about 4 that have done similar misdeads while stoned.
I can't really say one is better than the other.
I can say this... I haven't had to go over to the friend of a friend's house to buy any liquor. I haven't had to rely on someone to provide me with alchohol that would be relying on someone just a little seedier to provide him with it.
The drug trade is big buisness... and that revenue is generated by the users. End of story.
You can smoke home grown all you want... these commercials weren't really speaking out against that. You can actually do whatever you want... just don't pretend like it doesn't have an impact on anything... it does.
I don't go out of my way to participate in many of the drug discussions that go on in this forumn. I've never taken the opportunity to condemn any of the self-proclaimed users and advocates. Its not my place to do so.
I simply expected this thread to start when I saw the commercial. I expected the pro-drug side to have a list of reasons and excuses for the actions of drug users excusing their behavior while condemning the commercials. I'm sorry... but in regards to the title of the thread... those people are hypocrites.
Drug dealing is a black market scene. Its a scene that generates big dollars and does ruin lives. I'm sure everyone else here agrees that it is only other people's money that are contributing to that... but I disagree.
AKDejaVu
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United Pot Heads of America Roster
mrFish
AKS
Funked.
Animal
Sandman
Am i missing anyone? Who else wants to join fellow low lives and discuss drugs, the cause of all problems. You can all sniff glue togther now :rolleyes:
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Your saying...you dont like the law "You can't do drug"? Well, i dont like the law "You cant kill another person". Does this mean i can go out killing people and go unpunished? As i said in my previous post...Somalia awaits you. They have a "drug hour" there, where they all overdose together, hey, it might be fun for a druggie like you, ya never know :eek:
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Sorry JoeCrip.. but I just have to ask...
Are you Mormon?
-Apologies in advance to all the level headed Mormons in the world.
AKDejaVu
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Actually, you can take me off your little list, you gestapo salamander.
And why dont you go ahead and add yourself to the Bigot Racists squad? Or maybe the KKK, you and your pal Soviet seem to be dumb and dork enough to be part of that group.
Then you can take bats and beat the hell out of gays, women and children, and whoever else you consider inferior.
Hehe, but I'm pretty sure you are both trolling, cause no one can be that idiotic, so I wont bother with getting mad when thats what you are secretly trying to achieve ;)
BTW - I am already part of a very honorable squad, cant join your new one.
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Joe, I'm going to let you in a little secret.
I don't smoke pot (nor do I use any other controlled substance). I work for the U.S. Defense Department. I have a security clearance to consider so the use of controlled substances is not optional. I have a family to feed and a mortgage to pay.
Wanna talk about alcohol, nicotine, caffeine? I'm all over it.
How about ephedrine? I can talk about ephedrine. :P
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Originally posted by Animal
Actually, you can take me off your little list, you gestapo salamander.
ROFL!!
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Oh and I forgot an idea for your rigtheous 'Lets Clean America!' crusade:
Grab a few hockey sticks, find a kid with a 60's T-Shirt walking his dog, and BEAT THE toejam OUTTA THEM!
Clockwork Orange style, real horrorshow.
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Speaking for myself, if I smoke a joint and go to jail, I lose my job.
This argument is about as salient as a playground scuffle- every time you catch a kid doing something wrong, he yells, "Well, what about them!? " What are you gonna do, let him go?
FWIW, I didn't call you or anyone "evil". I said drugs are illegal, and purchasing them invariably must feed black markets somewhere along the line. That is true and inescapable. Pointing out other wrongs in our society won't make it less wrong.
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where are all the christian morals now on this board?
you pompous pious tulips sit back flacid, cowardly and ineffectual getting outraged about homo teachers while people make death threats. shame.
Mr.Fish, you leave me speechless. What this has to do with anything in this conversation is bewildering.
Of course Soviet and Joe are out of line- do the Christians have to point this out to you? Why select the Christians for your derision- wait, of course, it fits your agenda.
I could almost understand your vehemence in the context of a discussion around religion, but now you seem to look like someone just looking for opportunities to jab. You're like the MG of religion- you don't have to make sense, you just have to attack.
For all the enlightenment you seem to espouse, you truly are a bigot. Just sayin'.
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HTC can you lock this thread, as we can't seem to play nice.
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makes me want to smoke a couple bowls of killer green, drop some acid, and wander through the forest for a couple of hours with a six pack of beer and some insect repellant.
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Originally posted by N1kPaz
makes me want to smoke a couple bowls of killer green, drop some acid, and wander through the forest for a couple of hours with a six pack of beer and some insect repellant.
Can I follow you around with a video camera? :cool:
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People in Australia who read this anti-alcohol and anti-tobacco stuff would pass out in terror. :D
But seriously folks, i love a drink and i do so regularly. I love a smoke too. I see and understand the damage these two do alone, without involving other drugs the discussion. But if we banned everything fun and all did the right clean thing, wouldn't it be boring? What would be the point of life? Life if fun.
I'm not saying that fun can't be had without beer, i regularly have sober fun and smoke-less fun. But alcohol is fun too. Perhaps if people who abused alcohol were more heavily penalised things would be a little better. Perhaps. Just musing.
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you part time christians crack me up is all - some thread about homo teachers insights you to riot and quote great tracts of the good book but you hear people talking about mass executions and you sit back quietly. sounds familiar actually...
maybe it isnt fair to bring religion in but the most pious types seem to apply their lofty morals selectively - mainly to distant political issues, but not to trench level discussions.
get outraged with parity is my point.
where would you have been when jesus was kickin on tables? hiding behind a column no doubt trying to keep a low profile.
yeah i did say that because it fits my agenda - exposing hypocrisy. government and religious hypocrasy are just easy targets - sorry
whether it is some kid at his mommy's house talking about ovedosing on weed (lol), yet advocating legal alcohol - or some guy that claims to be a 24 hour per day red hot christian that sits back stoicly while some mini-fidel talks about mass executions and killing fellow board members.
its all part of the same contempt kieran.
and p.s. i think it's great if people dont use drugs - my wife is sober as a church-mouse and it doesnt bother me in the least. she's a naturally happy and adjusted person - drugs would be redundant for her. you gotta know your limits and be confident in yourself - then nothing will drag you to the gutter.
those dare cops arent bad they are doing what they is right to help kids but it isnt the final answer to everything and my cop friends know that as well as i do (yes i actually have cop friends)
to an extent the commercials are true - but if you know where your supply is coming from then you don't owe anyone any explanation. i dont buy any afgan heroin or columbian cocaine so i dont owe anyone toejam for an explanation.
all drug users are not on the street begging for a fix. my bmw 325i.s. is paid in full and i saved enough money from my last job to take the next two years off and go back to school to better myself.
...all the while paying rent for a nice apartment in one of america's most exclusive neighborhoods. i paid uncle sam and have a happy wife and cat and even established a college fund for my 12-year old god-daughter whose mother lives in a transient hotel (and isnt on drugs amazingly), instead of making money i also worked for years at a free legal aid clinic handling 1500+ cases per year for a pittance of a salary at $10k per year, so i dont owe any of you DICK.
educating kids about the realities and not the transient socio-political truths about drugs is the answer - not getting them to respond with genocide everytime the issue comes up.
then you are training blind little nationalists like Joe "crip" (gang reference?)and soviet (how appropriate eh?)
- not good citizens.
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pot makes me creative...might be a wives tale, but it sure as hell works for me.
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Wow, what a rational, well-argued thread from the very start to the present end.
NOT. :D
I would participate but there's just too much pointless mudslinging and gratuitous vulgarity coupled with a near-total lack of actual debate... even I, the eternal discusser am walking away from this mess.
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Joe-Sov-Crip lisped:
You diddlying cock sucker, we're not in junior high we're both 23 and have grown up in the same town our whole lives. The fact is drug users are studmuffingots who need a life, pot is wrong man accept the fact.
By the way you two defend each other I think you must be butt buddies. Which one is the pitcher and which one is the catcher?
Drug users are studmuffingots? I know some straight ones. Are they lying? You'd think a couple of lovers like you would have better gaydar. ..
funked, i am 23, i follow the law, and work hard. I did listen to the DARE cops and look now.
Yeah look now. You're a prejudiced foul-mouthed brainwashed moron who has homicidal fantasies. Yes I would like Cinnastix with that.
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Nope, I don't use drugs and I have the urine tests to prove it. I wanted Cinnastix, not slander. Get busy.
Just because me and Soviet dont do drugs we are being ganged?
No because you two ladies are a couple of pukes who came on this board and turned a polite discussion into a profane bigoted personal diatribe against some people I'm fond of. Piss off kiddies.
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you part time christians crack me up is all - some thread about homo teachers insights you to riot and quote great tracts of the good book but you hear people talking about mass executions and you sit back quietly. sounds familiar actually...
In actuality:
A) I haven't condemned you for anything. I said drugs are illegal and alcohol is not, and by that fact buying a product that cannot legally be purchased in this country has to support black markets. The sinister nature of such markets I did not even begin to discuss. You are reading much into my words. To say that I am outraged that you enjoy dope is beyond inaccurate.
B) I worked tonight. Much of this conversation occurred while I was away. Still, am I required to post against such out of bounds comments? Could you not see it yourself? Didn't enough people already tell those guys they were nuts? At what point does it become "piling on"? How is a rational conversation going to reach them after a point. Sorry I wasn't here for you, Mr.Fish.
C) I do work towards keeping kids off alcohol and drugs. This doesn't mean I never smoked marijuana in school (in fact, I did) or drank (again, I did). What it means is I am attempting to impart my experiences in a useful way to my students. Sorry if telling them going down the drug and alcohol path is bad idea is against your wishes or ideology, but, well, I happen to believe it is the right thing to do- and that viewpoint has nothing to do with my faith.
D) You are using this as an excuse to take a cheapshot at a group that has nothing to do with this debate. That is bigoted and hypocritical. Physician, heal thyself.
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I'll pray for you anyway. ;)
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alright, alright - fair enough.
i'll accept part of that criticism and besides, praying for people who dog you is super cool - really, no sarcasm. :)
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No harm done. I actually accept you challenging my viewpoints on religion as healthy. I just didn't see it coming here. Besides, the both of us going hyperbolic isn't going to make this thread any better. ;)
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Hehe cool thread. Big Kudos I guess for avoiding drugs 'n stuff Soviet and Joe... I guess... no actually, wtg on that... but christ. :D If ya don't know then ya don't know and some of the stuff you're comin' up with is priceless.
Btw - what's dare cop? Sounds like a cop handing you a joint with his right hand while holdin' cuffs with his left.
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the idea that anyone who gets high is supporting terrorism is pure BS.
most pot that isn't domestic is from mexico (not curently a huge terrorist threat)
The main drug from the regions we are currently having trouble with is heroin or other opium derivatives, last I heard while they where in power the telaban was active in trying to stop poppy growth, and executing growers. so the telaban is also very anti-drug.
So maybe every time a junky shoots up he's doing his part to fight terrorism.
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what's dare cop?
we got these d.a.r.e. cops (drug abuse resistance education, i think) the come to the schools and do a presintation. and the kids get there dose of anti-drug propoganda instead of an education.
the usually show up in a corvett they confinscated and painted up for their purpose.
they brag about how they raid peoples house for growing pot and take the kids away and take all the peoples property and auction it off to fund their next raid.
then they tell the kids how they can be a hero if they tell the cops how mom smokes weed, and his big brother has some pills in his dresser.
of course they don't tell the kid he'll probly end up in a foster home afterwards or any of the money his parents have saved for his collage will be confinscated.
kinda like the hitler youth thing
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Please, point one country where alcohol is legal?
Any?
No, it isnt legal if its illegal for underaged, get it? Coffee or sugar can be claimed to be "legal" substance, since its use, sale or manufacturing doesent have any special laws controlling it.
I dont know anybody, who would want pot to be legal, but i know plenty, who wants it to be treated as other partly legal addictive and harmfull substances, like tobacco or alcohol.
There isnt a single working argument against it as long as tobacco and alcohol arent applied by the same drug laws, as pot is.
Btw, if complete prohobition is better policy, than partial legalization, then tell me why US has almost the WORST drug problem in the world. Shouldnt the Dutch be in that situation with its relaxed attitude for drug use? Can you explain me reliably, why this isnt so? Why aint the prohobition cutting the drug use, like its claimed to be doing. You know, US has more marijuana users per capita, than Dutch.
HOW CAN THIS BE POSSIBLE IN COUNTRY WITH NEAR NAZI LIKE DRUG POLICIES? Shouldnt US have almost zero drug use rates?
Prohobition can be reasonable only, if it produces good results, but so far it havent made a single one. In fact, quite opposite, ie. Osama is just like Al Capone, using extremely-wanted-substance-prohobition for getting big bucks.
If your government doesent offer a legal way for you to buy the drug, thus "forcing" (quotes, since the only "have-to" in life is dying) you to buy the drug from black markets, then your government is supporting the black markets, not you. Its that simple.:o
alcohol is illegal in Libya :)
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Joecrips, no need to go to Iraq, Somalia or any other countries like that, come to Belgium, or Holland, wait sorry, am inviting the wrong poeple... MrFish, Udie & (some) other FDB's are welcome anytime :D
Most of the stuff (green one) was grown HERE, not in a 3rd world country.
Soviet, It's just a cultural thing, You drink, I sm0ke, I've done so for the last 18 years, never had a (drunken) car crash, never got violent when stoned(when drunk I did) Never stole money nor robbed an old lady to get what you probably call "my fix" (since apparently you're not able to make a difference)
Mary Jane and here sisters ARE adictive, maybe not physicaly, but they are. Hell, I'm addicted to Coffee, cigs, women(the worse kind)... probably other things too. does that make me a criminal ?
I agree this shouldn't be put in hands of Children. One needs to be able to have it's own choice/Opinions and learn to enjoy "sober life" before that ;)
Soviet, you need a FAT one man... open your eyes a little.It just makes ME a little bit moe stupid than I originaly am, that is MY problem alone, not YOURS.
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Mr. Fish is a dope.
BELCH.
And I rate this thread a resounding "T".
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tell me why US has almost the WORST drug problem in the world
Too much money=too many rich kids.
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too many hot wings=fat guys
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Anyone see Letterman just now?
"Did anyone see that anti-drug commercial they ran during the SuperBowl? Powerful commercial. Powerful message. It ran between the 7th and 8th Budweiser commercial".
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Well, one last thing I have to say. There were some people here who I used to respect...now that I found out half the AH community are POT Heads, they have droped to the bottom of my list.
Do I Talk to Druggies in real Life? NO
So why am i talking to you people?
Just becasue I am clean and dont do drugs, i get bashed? I wish all you druggies good luck in the future...you will really need it....just dont call me when you have gotten arrested, and have to make bail, I will have to Laugh at you.
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Funked. Me and soviet are freinds beacuse we share the same views. We both belive Drugs are bad, and that you should work had, obey law, ect, ect..... Are we gay? No. We both have girlfriends. Just beasue two people share common views we are gay? Obviously you have a problem. I suggest you get some friends like me and Soviet, who obey laws, and respect the governmet and the laws it makes. The friends you problally have now just smoke pot and drink beer, until they are nearing mental retardation.
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I don't care about any of you, I just want the son-of-a-squeak that gave Soviet Champagne at age 12 to hang in puplic and puke blood out of their swullen purple necks.
Oh, and to make the Joe/Soviet video "We are gay, we hate all you pot smokers, but don't hate us" middle-school instructional video available with my tax dollars.
Your right, Funky is a toejamty doper from a crappy town. Blame Lincoln for that states demise. Blacks do, although not as specific.
-edit- Had too, he's from Illinois, not that anyone concerned got it)
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As has been pointed out higher in the thread, it isn't your opinion that has you at odds, it's the absolutism with which you have said it.
People err, and people do destructrive things to themselves. It might be drugs for some, gambling for others. You don't end their lives just because they have done something wrong, and you can't lock up every single person in the country for minor infractions- that's the other side's point to some extent. Where you and Soviet went off was on the militant side of drug prevention. Militants of any extreme usually are shunned in our society.
By all means, reject drugs and alcohol if that is what you want, but you can't really expect deportation, imprisonment, and execution of all people involved in drugs.
Me, I don't do drugs, but if I shun everyone that does them I would lose many of my students, that is reality. I don't support the activity, but I must work to support the students. It just isn't a black-and-white world sometimes.
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Ill drink to that Kieren. Especially the Absolute thingy.
j/k, your yelling at the guys that eat the pages. Some of us read them ya know.
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Their are some VERY narrowminded persons in this forum,,,,
and it aint the potsmokers.
I smoke,,,,,,,,,ohhh and btw,I also work as an engineer without
any problems at all.And if you want I can say hello,to the local drunks on their bench,who I meet every morning.
To you anti-pot-hashis characters,i think you are pathetic,,,,,,,,,,,,
and you haven`t got a clue what you are talking about,i really think it`s sad.