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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: thrila on February 08, 2002, 02:07:03 PM
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Just curious why anyone has anything to say about the CT it gets posted in this forum.
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Probably for the same reason complaints about the Mindanao map don't get posted in the Gameplay forum or posts about having bad days in AH aren't in the OC or Training/Help ones.
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Ok, i'm gonna get you for that Westy:D
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thrila, if you'll ck the CT forum you'll find lots of specifically CT posts. Since CT is obviously part of AH, there's nothing wrong with mentioning it in General Discussion.
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Maybe the only people who read the CT forum are the same people who fly the CT arena. So if you want more then 10 people to read your post, you post it in here.
bowser
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Originally posted by bowser
Maybe the only people who read the CT forum are the same people who fly the CT arena. So if you want more then 10 people to read your post, you post it in here.
bowser
LOL!
Sadly, he's right
Much why the CT folks advertise so heavily in the Main Arena. Trying to draw people into there.
I'm not knocking the CT, its fine for what it is. But I'm not into Historical MatchUps nor Axis-vs-Allies stuff. If it was similar to the Main, minus limited planesets and many other things that are annoying about the Main, I think more people would visit it.
But the CT staff/folks are clicky. They want ideas but I've yet to see them implement a lot of things people have been asking. They have their Historical Fight blinders on :rolleyes:
And for that reason, I don't think you'll see that room have much more than 50 players in there at a time.
Where would you play? 20 players or 450?
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Originally posted by LePaul
But the CT staff/folks are clicky. They want ideas but I've yet to see them implement a lot of things people have been asking. They have their Historical Fight blinders on :rolleyes:
Which "they" would you be talking about? Which ideas that all these people want aren't they implimenting? Or have they just not designed it with you specifically in mind?
I flew for my first time in the CT with it's new setup on Tuesday. If the numbers persist, I'll probably be choosing it over the MA on any given day, and I couldn't give two toejams about historical. It's just fun.
SOB
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Originally posted by LePaul
But the CT staff/folks are clicky. They want ideas but I've yet to see them implement a lot of things people have been asking. They have their Historical Fight blinders on :rolleyes:
And for that reason, I don't think you'll see that room have much more than 50 players in there at a time.
Yeah buddy. That's why I had every plane that's available in this game included my setup this past week? My historical blinders? That's why we (the CT staff) increased radar range a few weeks back? We have our backs turned to what the people want?
CT Staff is *clicky* huh?
If you're going to try to paint us with the big wide brush, please have some idea to what you're talking about. I don't mind being accused of things, if they're at least half-truths.
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Oh goody, I touched a nerve. Must be all these posts from Lazs rubbing off on me :) I didn't think you were so thin-skinned, HBlair.
I stand by my comments. Lots of people made suggestions for the Combat Theater. You guys turned it into a Historial Arena and you got few and any visitors. THEN, you decided to heed some of the things people asked the first time around. You still have very low numbers. HOWEVER, you have implemented a few things people wanted (all planes, low perks, etc etc).
What annoys me is the shameless plugging of this arena in the Main Arena. You guys are quick to diss the Main Arena, yet some go in there and do all they can to drag in some business for it. ...
People go where the numbers are. If you call 20-30 players a smashing success, well, congrats. If you are hoping for greater numbers, then perhaps opening up the CT to something more similar to the Main is what people want? I just popped in...35 players and its again Axis versus Allies stuff again. Not my cup of tea, so I'll go play where there are 410 players.
2 cents
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LePaul....you sure know how to make friends
Seriously....people are tending to think that the CT people (hblair, et al) are doing a good job
The number have been growing in the CT. I remember when my favorite person (Las(x)) was in the CT forum and taunting everyone that if we wanted more than 20 people we would do this and do that...
IMHO....the MA sucks unless you enjoy enless furballs...I'm not a stickler for historical realities (i.e. planes) but I really do prefer the CT.
Funny thing is...Las says we suck because we don't play the way he plays (OMG...there are buffs in this game...well we JUST CAN'T have that)...then we suck because we don't have numbers in the CT...then we suck because we are elitist and don't fly the MA...and then we suck just because Las says so...
Las not withstanding...I'm enjoying seeing the CT number increasing...it's not elitisism...it's just a simple matter of enjoying something more than an endless furball.
Anway....my thoughts
Drunky
P.S. I hope I piss Las off ...and his "sensitive" friends that feel the "need" to defend his honour
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Originally posted by LePaul
Oh goody, I touched a nerve. Must be all these posts from Lazs rubbing off on me :) I didn't think you were so thin-skinned, HBlair.
Not thin skinned, I just go for the truth, not whatever pops off the top of your head.
Originally posted by LePaul
I stand by my comments. Lots of people made suggestions for the Combat Theater. You guys turned it into a Historial Arena and you got few and any visitors. THEN, you decided to heed some of the things people asked the first time around. You still have very low numbers. HOWEVER, you have implemented a few things people wanted (all planes, low perks, etc etc).
The CT was an HA from the get-go. That's what it is. We've been experimenting for a while with different setups. We want numbers. Always have. We're trying to strike a happy medium between numbers and realism settings (or perceived realism).
Originally posted by LePaul
What annoys me is the shameless plugging of this arena in the Main Arena. You guys are quick to diss the Main Arena, yet some go in there and do all they can to drag in some business for it. ...
There you go with that big wide brush again. *You* guys eh? How many times have you seen me in the MA in the past 2 months? One sortie? I can't ever recall plugging the CT in the MA.
Originally posted by LePaul
People go where the numbers are. If you call 20-30 players a smashing success, well, congrats. If you are hoping for greater numbers, then perhaps opening up the CT to something more similar to the Main is what people want? I just popped in...35 players and its again Axis versus Allies stuff again. Not my cup of tea, so I'll go play where there are 410 players.
2 cents
So you think it shouldn't be axis vs. allies? And that'd bring people in huh? Lets just make it a carbon copy of the MA and people will go there? Convenient vagueness. Always easy to throw rocks from the sidelines, not so easy when you're the one trying to get it done.
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BTW, when you see people slam the MA, it's not me or any of the other staff guys. The MA is for MA pilots, the CT is for people who desire the CT. The CT will not ever have the attendance the MA does, that's not what we're shooting for. It's an alternative to the MA. So when you see someone down the MA, remember we don't all think that way. They're just two different servers set up two different ways for people with different tastes.
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Damn, LePaul.. you tryin to do a Lazhole imitation post? He shows significantly more class and at least offers substance and suggestions.. so, yer gonna have to work a lil harder to make the mark.
Just curious.. who toejam in yer cream of wheat today?
And just how much skin came off yer bellybutton to make the CT what it is?
Hey, if yah like the MA, well; great! Fly there! Enjoy! Have fun!
If yah don't like the CT, well hell.. don't fly there.. ain't nobody holdin a pistolio to yer bungholio tellin you yer sorry lil brown eye is gonna have another enlargement session if yah don't... so why the wail?
Have a nice day in the MA, now; hear?
*snicker*
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Errm, excuse me LePaul , but I think the exact oposite...
We had about 5-15 poeple in there at best about 1-2 months ago.
the CT Staff (Insert wide brush here) made it happen, they're putting in what we're asking them on the CT forum & we're getting numbers (60+ last night at one point).
Sorry, but this is my POV & I'm standin' with it bud :)
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My my, who to respond to first....
Drunky: I love making new friends :D I also enjoy a good discussion. My post here was pointing out that the CT proponents tend to post here, and blabber in their despised MA looking to draw people into their Arena. I'm not saying HBlair has done so, I am saying that its not unusual to see someone on channel one to start chanting "Hey folks, go to the Combat Theater" etc etc Given what the arena is, its nice *if* you seek Historical Fights. Not all of us do.
The question of how to get more people into the CT has been poised many times in here. By suggestioning a wider planeset and more realism, I've banged heads with what the CT folks desire. Fine, I respect their opinions.
No one toejam in my cream of wheat or pissed in my coffee :)
But we keep going into this cycle of "What do people want" to get more numbers into arenas outside the Main Arena. The furballers wanted a dueling arena. It now sits vacant. I'm hoping the CT doesn't end with the same fate. Pyro asking several of you to manage it into something else was a great idea, as the CT was dying for several weeks.
If the Combat Theater is a Historical Arena, then name it so, since that is what it truly is. And if you Historical guys can make that room a success, all the power to you. I prefer to fly where there are more people.
And as a buff driver, I have a solemn duty to "ruin lazs fun". So everytime he sees a large Lancaster shadow over his base, he can commence with crying and pissing himself :D
I wish you guys well with the CT as you have it going. I've made my wishes known, as have others. Hopefully you guys will be receptive to them.
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Fun is contagious, and the guys who fly the CT regularly are infectious as hell:). That's why they post here. When people are having fun, they tend to want to let other people know, so they can have fun too. Fun grows exponentially as the number of people involved expands...until you reach a point where net lag overcomes this cosmic force:D. This would seem self-evident.
Sabre
CT Team
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Golly-geen Sabre, I'll buy that Kirby, with all the attachments and the turbo brush too!
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Yep, contagious they be. Caught several cases of lead flu just this evening. There's some good sticks in CT. A great environment to improve your skills.
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Just a note, I am not Laz :)
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I dunno. I flew in the MA *all the time*, thinking "10 players ain't enough for a good fight".
Went to the CT. 10 players there. Had some *fantastic fights*.
You know how you're fighting this guy, ot these two guys - you get them into a good position from your perspective....and in comes 500 friendlies and 700 enemies, and the whole thing degenerates into a furball...
In the CT the good old "1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4" is back. You fly those flights, and when one side is totally dead, that's the end of the fight. No dweeby 700 reinforcements a minute.
I like it a lot.
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LOL Hangtime, tell us how you really feel. (Good AM laugh, thanks! :) )
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But I'm not into Historical MatchUps nor Axis-vs-Allies stuff.
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Just curious but what are you "into"?
How would you describe it?
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"Just a note, I am not Laz"
nor am I
lazs
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"Funny thing is...Las says we suck because we don't play the way he plays (OMG...there are buffs in this game...well we JUST CAN'T have that)...then we suck because we don't have numbers in the CT...then we suck because we are elitist and don't fly the MA...and then we suck just because Las says so... "
drunky... you are a liar . No easy way to say it but then I'm sure it is no new revelation to you..
The more you make the CT like the MA the more numbers you will get. The current arena gives a lot more "choice" in planeset at the expense of "historic". In the end tho.... axis vs allied is the cross you bear. It is fun and immersive at first because it is new and requires new tactics. What happens in a few weeks or a few months tho (depending on learning ability) is that it becomes apparent to even the most brain ded that you are going to see the same few "ACM" and strat tactics over and over and over every single fight you get into and.... That as numbers increase and familiarity sets in... The "hail good fellow heartily met" attitude goes by the wayside replaced by endless bickering on who does or doesn't have an unfair advantage and what is either fun or realistic. We do that in the MA of course but make no pretense otherwise. The MA doesn't base it's success on these things.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
" The "hail good fellow heartily met" attitude goes by the wayside replaced by endless bickering on who does or doesn't have an unfair advantage and what is either fun or realistic. We do that in the MA of course but make no pretense otherwise. The MA doesn't base it's success on these things.
lazs
This occurs because the updates are stagnated, like they were in WB's. As long as the developer (HTC) constantly updates, adds new toys, the less bickering. I bet if you did a survey, you'd find that most of the bickering posts about the game come after a long drought from an update.
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Originally posted by lazs2
What happens in a few weeks or a few months tho (depending on learning ability) is that it becomes apparent to even the most brain ded that you are going to see the same few "ACM" and strat tactics over and over and over every single fight you get into and....
las
Doesn't apply.
The planesets/terrains are changed weekly, form PAC, to English Channel, to Baltic to Stalingrad, etc. and more are being worked on.
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ah... but it does hblair. you will see eventually. A 109/190 fight is allways the same when that is all you face as is a niki, zeke one. just so many combinations. Tell me in a couple of months that you haven't learned em all. Certainly you can prolong the boredom but you will never have the allmost infinite variety that is possible in an MA fight.
lazs
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Oh Ok.
Fighting a 109f in a Hurri is the same as fighting a 109G10 in a PonyD, just as a 190A8 in a P47d30 is "the same as" fighting a D9?
Man, why didn't I think of that.
It is clear that you really have a grasp on the performance edge different planes have.
Thanks for the input.
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give it a little time hblair and get back to me. that 109 is gonna make the same ol moves no matter which 09 it is. The people facing it will see that. it can only get help from planes that are the same.
The WB HA was a great example. Any WB axis vs allied arena is a great example. It takes a while but eventually everyone figures it out. I say, go ahead, have fun on the journey but I allready been there so.... it grates.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
that 109 is gonna make the same ol moves no matter which 09 it is. The people facing it will see that.
Your genius strikes again. Show me how to rope a dope in an F4 like I do in a G10, or turnfight in a G10 like I do in an F4. I've been flying them differently, as do all other LW pilots that I know of.
We must learn these things. :)
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Heheh Hblair, looks like we really need to be taught how to fly our LW planes - apparently we aren't flying 'em boringly enough :D.
Was in CT yesterday: best time I've had in AH in the last year. Not that many there, but me, Hajo, hazed and Saw barely had time to grab to 6k before the enem swarmed over us. Historical setups, no Golly-geened AWACS dweebery - gotta keep SA up.
MA is for those who cannot handle the CT :D
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Blah blah, whatever Lazs. The CT is another arena and some enjoy flying there. Some don't, including you. That about sums it up nicely.
Your trolling is becoming less entertaining. I understand that you're doing it a lot lately, and being a card carrying member of the AARP like you are means you tire easily. Perhaps you should take a rest for a while and start fresh in a week or so with renewed energy?
I know I haven't payed a lot for the ticket, but I at least want to be entertained when I click on that thread link to see you antagonizing more willing fish...err, victims.
SOB
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So I was in the CT the other day as it was my only choice. My road runner service is out and the crappy dial up I was able to find only works for a hand full of minutes before it locks up. I had no chance in the MA but it was stable to at least get airborne in the CT.
Come off it! I was worried about the CT types trying to turn the MA into something that it’s not. That didn’t happen. There is a whole other arena for it. So why the heartache? If it gets pimped in the MA or on the general discussion on the BB what harm is in that?
I wasn’t able to get my full fix in the CT but it was my connection not the arena. If you don’t want it don’t go. Saying “it’s not gonna work because, or you all are trying to do this and not that” is pointless.
If you don’t like it, don’t fly it. Quit being so concerned over someone else’s style of gaming.
Zippatuh
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look... you guys aren't gonna make many points by singing the praises of the "complex" 109/190 FM or the action packed nature of the CT. Nor, can you expect any other reaction than polite, embarassed looks when you explain the complex and everchanging nature of "allied vs axis" for those who have fought in allied vs axis arenas more than a couple of months it is blindingly obvious.
If you wish to get any respect for your views you should have a little intelectual honesty.
Look... if allied vs axis is the only thing that floats your boat or if you simply get more out of reduced icon/radar that't fine but be aware that most are aware that it is no more realistic and that it is very limited.
lazs
And sob... all I can say is.... " sob (sob) v., sobbed, sob•bing, n.— v.i.1. to weep with a convulsive catching of the breath. 2. to make a sound resembling this. — v.t.3. to utter with sobs. 4. to put, send, etc., by sobbing or with sobs: to sob oneself to sleep. — n.5. the act of sobbing. "
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you wish to get any respect for your views you should have a little intelectual honesty.
lazs is going to tell us how to be respected and intellectual.
And that "area arena" works how lazs?
I love you man. Too retarded to even know you're retarded. If I was gonna be a retard, I'd wanna be like you.
:)
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Bah that sounded mean, but you say some ignorant things lasz.
If you think all 190's and 109's fly the same, you are more ignorant than I thought. They might to you in your world, but there's more to it than that.
Suppose you set up the "Area Arena" concept of your's, what would be where?, what would seperate them? Would the planes be divided by year or competitiveness? Please post your "area" idea here in detail. I want to see exactly what you're talking about. :) You're always speaking critically of everything in an arena you don't even fly in, how would it be set up if you had the keys?
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BTW, I flew the warbirds HA for a year or so while you still played that game. Don't recall seeing you there one time. Don't you have to actually *fly there* to claim you have experience? Was it because you had trouble seeing out the back of the F6F or F4U? [/edit]
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what don't you like about an area arena? What about the CT would be better than it? How would the CT offer more "choice"? How would CT fights be more varied than "area arena" fights? How are you going to work the early war planes into your "anything goes" CT setup? Only the new guys hafta fly em? Are they the "punitive" rides or would you have to go back to an RPS? And if you did go back to it.... even you could see the limitations. Those who like early war will be stuck in an endless BOB scenario that those who hate early war will shun. Wait till you try to do an early war allied vs axis PAC! LOL
still... I wouldn't worry too much about the retarded thing tho. your allmost there. A little hard work... some turtoring.. special classes... I'm sure something can be done. And gosh darn it... who cares? People like you anyway! And I'm not just saying that.
lazs
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Jeeez lepaul who peepee'd in your cherios this morning? You would have really loved my failed attempt at an HA a couple of years ago. Anybody remember that? NO icons (well that was on the honor system) and NO radar, mid war European setting. We had a few days of good fights but only about 15-20 would show up so I gave up :D made for some tense action though.....
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Originally posted by lazs2
And sob... all I can say is.... " sob (sob) v., sobbed, sob•bing, n.— v.i.1. to weep with a convulsive catching of the breath. 2. to make a sound resembling this. — v.t.3. to utter with sobs. 4. to put, send, etc., by sobbing or with sobs: to sob oneself to sleep. — n.5. the act of sobbing. "
Repetition isn't improvement.
SOBbing
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"my failed attempt at an HA a couple of years ago. Anybody remember that? NO icons (well that was on the honor system) and NO radar, mid war European setting."
I remember that. Was a lot of fun. Very nerve racking and tough environment too :)
But imo you did not fail. It was the lack of official support and where AH was in it's development point.
Westy
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Originally posted by lazs2
what don't you like about an area arena? What about the CT would be better than it? How would the CT offer more "choice"? How would CT fights be more varied than "area arena" fights? How are you going to work the early war planes into your "anything goes" CT setup? Only the new guys hafta fly em? Are they the "punitive" rides or would you have to go back to an RPS? And if you did go back to it.... even you could see the limitations. Those who like early war will be stuck in an endless BOB scenario that those who hate early war will shun. Wait till you try to do an early war allied vs axis PAC! LOL
still... I wouldn't worry too much about the retarded thing tho. your allmost there. A little hard work... some turtoring.. special classes... I'm sure something can be done. And gosh darn it... who cares? People like you anyway! And I'm not just saying that.
lazs
...and this has what to do with the lovely *area arena* ?
Does this mean you're NOT going to explain in detail the "area arena" idea? Pretty obvious you don't want to have to give proposals, only criticize. Who would've expected this out of you?
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Originally posted by K West
"my failed attempt at an HA a couple of years ago. Anybody remember that? NO icons (well that was on the honor system) and NO radar, mid war European setting."
I remember that. Was a lot of fun. Very nerve racking and tough environment too :)
But imo you did not fail. It was the lack of official support and where AH was in it's development point.
Westy
yeah but think if I tried that now :D SHUDDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Where would you play? 20 players or 450?
I would take the 20 LePaul. Lots of great folks in the MA, but not my cup of tea.
But the CT staff/folks are clicky.
Cheap shot LePaul. You owe them an apology. You big enough to do that?
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Sure I remeber it Udie, it was the only time I managed to shoot Hristo ! (he was my fellow squadie I mistaked for a Spitfire :D)
I think he remembers too... I can still hear him on RW ;)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Sure I remeber it Udie, it was the only time I managed to shoot Hristo ! (he was my fellow squadie I mistaked for a Spitfire :D)
I think he remembers too... I can still hear him on RW ;)
Yeah I think I was you're squadie then too :D