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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: StSanta on February 05, 2001, 05:49:00 AM
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Does it mean RPS etc?
I'd like not to have a HA, but just an arena where one side flies LW, the other allies etc.
Sure, the plane changing squads would ahve a problem, but if this was initiated from the start, less so.
Fighting German planes just plain sucks if yer a Jerry.
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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gawd santa wanna start another 100+ post thread ?
Look at the other topics and you'll see about 15 of these threads already.
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What an HA Means To Me
by oboe
First, and most importantly to many, an HA puts an end to P-51 vs Spit and FW190 vs Me109. The arena is divided into two countries instead of three; one gets the Axis planeset, the other the Allies.
Second, and particular time and place is chosen. This may will limit the planeset further. For example, if NW Europe in 1944
is chosen, no Japanese or Russian, or USN planes will be enabled.
Third, a real life, accurate terrain is used.
No more fantasy terrain.
Finally, reduced icon settings should be used. No more icons as a crutch to ID plane type at 5000 yds.
In summary, the HA is a lot like a Sunday afternoon event, except that is left up and people come and go as they please.
I'm looking forward to it, but as I understand it we need more paying pilots, and probably an expanded planeset to make it worthwhile.
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I'm looking forward to it, but as I understand it we need more paying pilots, and probably an expanded planeset to make it worthwhile.
How fast customer base is going to expand in future? Slowly I say. WWIIOL will grab many hardcore pilots from both WB and AH and number of casual players too.
I think AH playerbase could actually get smaller after WWIIOL comes out and WBIII becomes reality near next christmas.
If player base need to grow significantly, we will never see HA. Which is fine with me, HA concept is dead because of WWIIOL.
Why would anyone fly in AH or WB historical arena with few pilots if he can fly in dedicated sim with historical sides and RPS and all alongside hundreds of other pilots?
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jochen Gefechtsverband Kowalewski
Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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I could care less right now if there was a HA or not. we don;t have the plane set. And we don't have and iconless environment )or if no icons somehting other than the billboard we do have)
But one solution to the squad/people hopping be a 72 hour time limit (minimum) on changing sides.
-Westy
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OK my 2 cents on a HA.
It would be neat to have a somewhat historical matchup between Axis and Allied aircraft but how do we deal with the following problems.
1. There are currently squads that are not plane specific (like mine) where pilots fly combinations of Axis and Allied planes during missions. When we go winging our standard is bring whatever plane you feel most comfortable in. A HA means that some of us would be forced to fly planes we arent comfortable in or dont care for.
2. There are also pilots which like to fly BOTH allied and axis aircraft. I enjoy a quick trip in a Bf109 every once in a while as well as the JU88.
Only way I can see this working is to have unlimited side switching so that we can switch back and forth as necessary. Then this brings into play the whole reason for having a 12 hour side switching limit...cheaters and spys.
I like the idea, I just dont see how all these problems can be handled.
-Ding
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Originally posted by oboe:
First, and most importantly to many, an HA puts an end to P-51 vs Spit and FW190 vs Me109. The arena is divided into two countries instead of three; one gets the Axis planeset, the other the Allies.
And no Chog vs Fw190, not N1K2 vs me109...
I love it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
For me the HA is that, an HISTORICAL arena. That means:
1-Icon range indicators increases/decreases in 0.1k yards between ranges of 1K-2K yards. No Range at all provided under 1K. Realistic gunnery will be the first product of this thing.
2-Friendly icons up to 6K. enemy Icons to 4K. Better SA required
3-No sector radar. Dot radar for planes over 1K feet in sectors with friendly bases and/or carriers
4-Rolling plane set.
5-Engine management, gun breakdowns because abuse, and REALISTIC buff gunnery.
6-historical maps, and planeset available on the applicable scenario.
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If I may quote myself.... "What is needed is an HA arena for the few who enjoy hiding from each other for hours
at a time." Lazs
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Get this trough all your heads now! HTC aint doing an HA _period_. Its not about player base or nuthin...
We aint getting it....
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Originally posted by oboe:
Finally, reduced icon settings should be used. No more icons as a crutch to ID plane type at 5000 yds.
I have to disagree with this. While it's a good idea that carries alot of merit, I beleive Icons are necessary mostly based on the fact that what your seeing is on a computer screen. Speaking from real-life experience (I spent a year as a Stinger ADA operator), I can identify a host of modern day aircraft with my own eye's, but on my computer screen it's an entirely differen't story. Many people do not have 21" High Resolution Monitors and Icons level the field for those who are without the resources to obtain the ubber computer. It is my own opinion that the Icons and even radar have been modelled in such a way to
"simulate" real life happenings...with the exception of grid counters half a world away.
[This message has been edited by SwampRat (edited 02-05-2001).]
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"We aint getting it...."
Maniac, you're back??!!
-Westy
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Heard u the first time in that other thread.... Did i leave???
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Too true Laz too true.
Then it degenerates into a very low alt furball between the two closest airfields, with maybe 5 people flying "historical" missions and styles.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
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Hey guys, I was just wondering what the HA would mean, not suggesting it should be implemented.
I was unsure whether it meant RPS (which I disagree with) or just simply one country means one side of planes, i.e LW, Allies etc.
Hence the post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Duck, unfortunately, I doubt this one will reach the 100's (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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No great desire for an HA on my behalf. At most, 10% of pilots would fly in it at any one time.
Now in my timezone, we get somewhere between 20-30 on each evening. So that would equate to 2-3 pilots in an HA.
I can arrange better than that for FREE in a private H2H arena. Only thing I'd ask for is some way of the host forcing icon settings in H2H, e.g. friendly icons only.
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Ah; yer a buncha wuzzies. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Yah; I want a HA.. and lemme poke a hole in this latest HA conspiracy theory that seems to be finding 'favor'..
1. We can't have an HA till player base expands..
Bogus.. how's that jive with the 'There's only gonna be six or seven guys hiding from each other in there.."' Total BS; think about it.. IF HA concept was so unpopular, how could it's insignificant draw of pilots from the MA pilot pool deteriorate the game play abongst the 175 folks on at prime time in the MA?
HA is by nature the concept of opposing SIDES having appropriate A/C. That means an RPS for the HA, with Allied/Axis adversaries.
Whats so damn difficult to deal with here.. Is it the idea that the guys that REALLY wanna do HA type flying will leave yer scurvy ridden A1 orbiting furballing MA with it's dweeb Chog vs Pony and N1K vs 109 planeset behind that intimidates you??
Sheesh. Open a HA.. let the players vote with their presence.
Or are all you miserable little MA Joe Stalins out there just too damn frightened of QUALITY FLIGHT SIMMING without an A1 furball that yer panties get bunched when someone ASKS for it.
Sheesh.
(flame suit on)
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
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"Heard u the first time in that other thread.... Did i leave???"
Matter of fact I thought you had left. Now suddenly you seem to have re-appeared asking for changes and implementations but I've yet to see any sorties by your handle on the stats page reflecting use of the pay to play arenas.
-Westy
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Or are all you miserable little MA Joe Stalins out there just too damn frightened of QUALITY FLIGHT SIMMING without an A1 furball that yer panties get bunched when someone ASKS for it. - Hang
See... this is the other issue. If we get an AH, would we see tons of BBS rants in the form of "Argh ya bunch of MA sissies come to the HA and fly like REAL men!"
I for one would get tired of this real quick, nevermind what this would do to the community here.
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Me too Nash.. who wants to hear that?? Not me. Fact is; there's a counter opinion to every one ever presented on the HA subject; I've watched it all ad-nausem. Just like you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But; that's NOT the point. The point is; if guys HAD a HA to fly in, they either will or won't fly in it. as far as I can see; the choice is the pilots. But the key is they'd have a CHOICE. They don't now. Whats the harm in HTC giving us a choice?
The damn community here on this BBS is about 10% of the community FLYING IN THE SIM. Put up a HA.. Let us decide it THERE.
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 02-05-2001).]
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Hi westy,
Maniac bounced me in his 51 the other night while I was a lumbering hvy hog trying to jabo the VH at A19. I then came back and returned the favor (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I dont know what the status of his account is but he has flown at least one sortie, that much I know.
Just to clarify...dont want to be in the middle of any acrimony here at all.
kbman
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"dont want to be in the middle of any acrimony here at all. kbman"
Your not kbman. and I'm not trying to cause anything with Maniac. I do rememebr a couple of months ago, or was it a few, he was not a happy camper here to say the least. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I was only curious because Maniac appeared to make a comeback in the boards but I did not see any stats when I went to see if he'd actually "come back." When I saw none I wondered why he would want HTC to do anything with AH when he wasn't a customer. But apparantly he is so_________
Welcome back Maniac (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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HA is coming and its name is WWIIOL.
It might take a while (Like AH) and it sure gonna have some bugs (Like AH) and its going to have a sort of RPS (Not like AH).
I've seen people acting here against WWIIOL just like how some WB guys have acted against AH. Maybe you could copy/paste some Mr.??'s post next time. All you had to do is change names and there you go.
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Westy, get an clue.
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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Open a HA in the SEA. When Special Events are not running, let the SEA default to whatever settings the HA crowd can all <cough> agree on. (I got the hot dog and beer concession on that thread!)
What can it hurt? The MA is full enough now; running around 150 most US evenings. If they lose even 50 to a HA, there's still plenty of action there.
Experiment! Don't limit things!
Of course, I share Nash's observation. I flew the HA in that other sim. I saw the "real men fly HA" posts; it WILL happen here. It'll be by some of the guys that have posted in this thread. There's a certain element that must have an irrepresible genetic urge to make everyone march in step to the Leader's cadence.
Barf.
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Toad
Fly what you like. Like what you fly. Don't worry about what the other guy flies. It's a game.
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hang, I have nothing against a seperate "Hope for Action" arena. knock yourself out. I would even say that it should be permanent ETO late war if you like. In fact, if it drew away all the P51's from the MA I would probly not even notice.
lazs
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"get an clue."
"a"
That's "A" clue.
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Generally an HA is my idea of nothing to do. But, in thinking it over. If they would turn off the easymode in it. I would be interested.
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Yeah, Mo, and the EZmode radar and EZmode Icons and.....