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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FTJR on February 08, 2002, 11:11:02 PM
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I flew around for about 30 minutes yesterday, In a Lancaster, bombed a few hangars, blew away a Niki (for this alone, there should be 1000 points;) Landed, and got 1.75 points. Really think it should be more rewarding.
:D
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Killin a nik is its own reward:p
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I don't really think that a fluff milkrunning a few hangers in order to spoil the fight for the real players should be rewarded.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't really think that a fluff milkrunning a few hangers in order to spoil the fight for the real players should be rewarded.
lazs
And its this kind of shallow thinking and obnoxious rhetoric that we get to endure. If you do not play Lazs way, then you are a fluff in his book.
Go read the Help Screens, this is a STRAT GAME. Bombers blow stuff up, Fighters try to stop them from doing so, etc etc
You'd probably get a nose bleed trying to intercept my bombers since we all know the concept of climbing over 5,000 feet is foreign to you :)
Some day, some year, you can give us all a break from your Anti-Buff blabber.
Didn't they create a Dueling Arena per your demands? Gee, isn't it empty? :rolleyes:
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Lazs gets his historical reference from a comic book what do you expect?
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"And its this kind of shallow thinking and obnoxious rhetoric that we get to endure. If you do not play Lazs way, then you are a fluff in his book. "
yes... The image of lecar heroicaly dragging a huge cross up the hill... crown of thorns biting into his head... "We" who is we?
"Go read the Help Screens, this is a STRAT GAME. Bombers blow stuff up, Fighters try to stop them from doing so, etc etc "
The "help screens" say that the fighters are there to stop the fluffs?? Twenty guys fighting should be stopped by one mouse weilding buss driver dropping lazer guided bombs onto a couple of leantoo's? Gee.... if it was so fun then I suppose that fighters would be up there waiting to shoot down a gamey unfun mostly AI aircraft instead of fighting with each other.
"You'd probably get a nose bleed trying to intercept my bombers since we all know the concept of climbing over 5,000 feet is foreign to you"
"We"? again with the we. While I will grant that the statement is about 70% accurate... for you to presume so is pompous and dishonest. You have never even seen me online.
"Some day, some year, you can give us all a break from your Anti-Buff blabber. "
Sure, no problem. Soon as they are fixed.
"Didn't they create a Dueling Arena per your demands? Gee, isn't it empty "
"they"?? "your demands"?? Who are "they" and when did I ever demand anything much less a "dueling arena"? Worse... why would "they" listen to me any more than you (besides the fact that you are never right)? I suppose that I could say that they created a CT for you to milkrun in but... I'm a little more honest than you I guess. Not that dishonesty is that big a deal... I just don't want to look as foolish as you.
lazs
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I think it would be better if the buffs got a HUGE bonus if they land it.
Give them a 8X perk bonus.
Think about it, any moron can up a suicide lanc, fly it 4k above a field, drop all his bombs before he gets blown by acks. You want to reward that?
(just the same, I think fighters should get perks ONLY if they land or bail in friendly territory).
1.09 will give us bomber formations to fly in, so buffing will be more survivable... and the laser guidance will be gone, since we'll have like 3 or 4 buffs per person, dispersion will be set in. So a buff group would barely be able to nock out 1 or 2 hangars per pass.
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Nice hedges, Laz. Fine, replace the WE with I as much as you want. But from past attempts to converse freely with you have resulted in the same from you, whereas you insist everyone is a furballer and feels the bombers do not belong in the game.
So there, we've removed the WE to I. Get on with the topic.
And I HAVE seen you online numerous times. But since I'm at 14k or so, you never come up to greet me.
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FTJR if you check your bomber score before and after a mission you'll see that you get thousands of points. The bomber perk points are in addition to the bomber score points.
I don't know how lazs2 knows where you hit hangers or if there was a fight there but it seems reasonable to ignore him in either case.
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Musketeers
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Originally posted by Tac
1.09 will give us bomber formations to fly in, so buffing will be more survivable... and the laser guidance will be gone, since we'll have like 3 or 4 buffs per person, dispersion will be set in. So a buff group would barely be able to nock out 1 or 2 hangars per pass.
But imagine what 4 Lancs with 14 1k eggs each can do to a base when they carpet bomb it and you know that more guys are going to squeak and whine and cry like little lost sheep when they try to shoot down a flight of buffs in a box formation.
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Wow, Lazsie musta had a hard on(e) when he saw this title ;)
I like that idea of increasing the incentive on landings... maybe we'd get a bit less suicide-HO-wheenies. good point.
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I agree with more incentive on landings.
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True akak, but that formation will have half or more of its bombs miss target. If you aim for the hangars.. in, say, a medium field, you would drop the eggs on where you THINK your bombs and the other buffs bombs will have the highest chance of hitting. Its in that moment that the human bombardier can either put them on target or completely mess up the bomb run by bombing the sheep grazing just outside the field.
It would be logical to assume that with buff formations, the damage each structure takes will be increased dramatically. maybe 2 or 3k to kill a hangar? If 1 pilot with 1 buff formation can have that much lead, think what 6 pilots with buff formations can do.. too unbalancing.
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Originally posted by Tac
(just the same, I think fighters should get perks ONLY if they land or bail in friendly territory).
On the contrary, you should get all of your perk points taken away the moment you pop open the canopy to bail out like a sissy.
SOB
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When I read Lazs posts they seems very unreal for me. It is like Lazs does not exists as a person, it's just ideas generator script installed at this forum, which randomly posts some ideas under a Lazs nick, but scrip is someway broken, or has only 1 idea loaded into it :)
NOM, really. :)
Fariz
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LOL Fariz!
FTJR,
One of the best "Rewards" of flying bomber missions is that there's a good chance that you'll piss off Lazshole. Keep this in mind the next time you launch a buff and it will make the entire mission a much happier experience.
eskimo
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fluffing is so ridiculously easy that it need to be discouraged not rewarded.
typical fluff sortie:
1. up from a capped field screaming over channel 2 "I need a gunner" and "where's my escort"
2. fluffer spots 2 fields where theres a good fight going on he climbs just above the frey kills the fighter hangers, gets shot down, whines about no cap but on channel 2, on channel 1 he gloats "ha ha gotch yo fiter hangers"
3. fluffer ups 10 fields deep in his own territory using auto takeoff, aims at target, switches to auto climb, goes take a 2 hour nap, washes cloths, fixes supper, builds a new garage, comes bac auto levels, hits a couple of buttons, turns round and auto levels home, grabs a shower, lands.
then gets on channel 1 "strat is screwed up I bombed their hq and by the time I get home its back up..wha wha wha"
How much easier you fluffers want it?
You keep saying this is a strat game. The game is what the players make it. Most like dogfighting as proven by their actions. Go check the main out right now and see what most folks are doing. They aint fluffin if you "enjoy" it well good for you. But making the game revolve arounf no fun fluffin and fluff hunting will be the quickest way to thin out the arena.
Be happy with what little ya got.
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I don't really think that a fluff milkrunning a few hangers in order to spoil the fight for the real players should be rewarded.
I don't know how many times I've been involved in some serious dogfights when looking up one single Lanc comes by and puts an end to by droppin on FH's no other reason but stop fighters from launching. I can see doing this happening to achieve a goal such CAPTURING the fediddlein base but NO the dang buff just drops on the hangars and goes home there by ending alot of fun.
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Originally posted by Tac
True akak, but that formation will have half or more of its bombs miss target. If you aim for the hangars.. in, say, a medium field, you would drop the eggs on where you THINK your bombs and the other buffs bombs will have the highest chance of hitting. Its in that moment that the human bombardier can either put them on target or completely mess up the bomb run by bombing the sheep grazing just outside the field.
It would be logical to assume that with buff formations, the damage each structure takes will be increased dramatically. maybe 2 or 3k to kill a hangar? If 1 pilot with 1 buff formation can have that much lead, think what 6 pilots with buff formations can do.. too unbalancing.
hewhewhew tac
i fly in a with a goup of guys that would make your theory a horrible nightmare...
new buff model (all rumor,, but roll with it)...roughly 30 "real" buffs flying with 4 other "AI" buffs each...
oh crap..you do the math.....lazs would fliiiiiiiiiiiip.
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instead of whining or squeaking about buffs.....find the solution you morons.....you say 1 buff does alot of damage......why are all the fighters furballing...shouldn't there be a defensive cap on your base...did ya think of that....no of course not...your a furballer....is it really so hard to send 1 or 2 guys up there for cap.....you make it sound like buffs can't be killed...takes a buff 1 hr to get to 20k....takes a 109.... 2 minutes.....did ya ask for resupply goon to come your way when you saw buff....no of course not.... your a furballer....stick to furballing.....your idea's suck...think next time!
SLO
4WING =441 Silver Fox=
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I agree with the buff landing incentive idea. I fly both fighters and buffs and would wholeheartedly welcome some sort of points on landing only.
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In good old days when one Lanc over your HQ could really ruin your day I used to patrol over it with a P-38/P-47/P-51 @ 30k with tanks full of fuel waiting HQ raiders.
Usually boring 40-50min flight ended to hectic 5-10min fight while trying to avoid those nasty .50cals :)
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A praise to Buff pilots, in the Bob Stevens way..
(http://www.planestuff.com/lib/planestuff/b17b24tales.gif)
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well... staga is the guy the fluffers would like to imagine the rest of the fighter sim guys are... We're not of course but it would fit their view of the world.
In the real flight sim world, the fighters want to fight airplanes. not mostly ai ,mouse controled, ack wagons. Why would anyone even bother? Well... besides the aforementioned aberation... the no talent fluffers can ruin yur day. So...
you can either ignore them (by far the most fun solution) or, you can waste your time, be a martyr and ruin your online time bywating the time needed to fight an unfair and unfun opponent while everyone else is down there having a good time. When you do reach em the worst that you can do is to em is kill em before they drop in which case they will be back in 15 minutes.
slo, fariz, eskimo, and revin are of course idiots. Incapable of content... Their posts prove it. Idiots are ok... nothing wrong with that but they should keep quiet. lecar at least has a point. he's wrong of course but he does mix some content in with the personal attacks.
lazs
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Its very disapointing to read some of these posts.
The best part of the game for me is when your team is on a roll captureing fields one after the other, using bombers and fighters alike.
As for getting rewards for bombing, well you can only use them for arado anyway, so not much reward.
As to the remarks bywotan and lazs2 i don't know you, but i think your remarks on the buff pilot are insulting.people pay their money and are entitled to fly what they want, in any way they want.
If you want to play with out buffs i sugest going to the duel arena. There you and all your friends can furball till your eyes fall out.
I don't usualy put up posts like this, and im not really a buff driver,
but i am sick of all the sly, smalmy post that keep cropping up after someone has posted a valid question.
Its attitudes like these that drive new players away..:mad:
dont bother trying to make a sarcastic reply cos i wont be returning to this post.
This is a game most of us enjoy, if you don't goodby!:D
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Hmmmm....
People, in this game, are too worried about instant gratification.
They need to see a kill message, so they do whatever it takes to get it. Vulch.. HO.. gangbang.. milkrun..
Its having to rely on the game to tell you that you had a good sortie that will be the eventual downfall of AH. I say make your own fun.
AKDejaVu
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How could you lump two honorable and satisfying activities like Vulching and HO'ing with boring stuff like gangbanging and milk running? Heathen.
SOB
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I say give more rewards for the buff jocks. I would love to see more Ar-234's in the air :P I am a furballer and a buff jock. If I see a buff over our base droppin hangers i don't whine or cry I say damn he made it here and no one got him. I killed 139 buffs last tour so I did my fair share of capping bases for the inevitable buff attack. Killing a B-17 piloted by a guy who knows his toejam is rewarding in its self. Reward the buff jocks who land them.
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selector et all... I am not saying that fluffers shouldn't have fun... or even that they shouldn't have fun at the expense of other players. As a fighter only guy I make my living ruining peoples fun.. but I do it one at a time and with about an even chance that it will be me making the smoking hole in the ground. people can ignore me if I circle around at 20k.
No.. the attention starvedflufffers want to have a huge effect on the gameplay. they want to have it for no skill and often danger free milkruns. The amount of skill put into their "missions" compared to the effect they have on gameplay for dozens of people is out of whack.
If they were so important and so noble then why don't they have full crews and realiostic bombing? Why shouldn't a fluff have to have a crew of 5, 6 or more to be effective? Why shouldn't they have the realistic result of their bombing and not even know if they got the target or not? No "outside views" or jumping from one gun to another or guns slaved to each other.
No... I don't care how much or how little fun they are having online but if their fun is at the expense of dozens of guys for so little effort then I don't even want to see em.
I mean... think about it. 262 lovers deserve to have fun too. Why are we so mean that we don't allow them to have it at everyone elses expense?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Idiots are ok... nothing wrong with that but they should keep quiet. lazs
That's pretty ironic coming from a Lazshole who is both the loudest and most idiotic poster this BB has ever seen. Take you own advice and shut-up Lazshole. Try for once to come up with more than one simple, stupid, flaming-gay, boring and retarded idea.
eskimo
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so... my little blubber eating buddie.... Are you saying that you don't agree with my ideas?
lazs
the lazshole
Public Relations Officer of the BK's
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Ooops... guess trying to see through the tears caused by yur personal attack.... I missed the real meaning of your post..
you said I should "come up with more than one simple, stupid, flaming-gay, boring and retarded idea."
If you would simply tell me which of my ideas fit that description then, just for you, I would try to come up with more just like it.
lazs
the lazshole
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"..Take you own advice and shut-up Lazshole. Try for once to come up with more than one simple, stupid, flaming-gay, boring and retarded idea....'.
Well I don't think this one is going to win an Aces High Writer Award. Straight to the point, but sounds like a 10 year old having a hissy fit wrote it. Judges?
bowser
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LOL...yet another example of two groups saying each other suck. Nice going, everyone.
Everyone's entitled to thier own opinion...we have some here who say buffs are alrigt, if unmined a bit, some in here who just wish buffs would be toned down a bit, and those who feel the buff has a major impact on a style of play.
Listen, there is no "style" in the MA, as people fly what they want and how they want to. The only thing is there is a majority of players who are fighters, so furballing is the norm. I've got a good idea for the MA...one that will make the majority of players happy.
First off, let's get rid of heavy bombers, medium bombers, bomb loadouts, and rockets. Then, let's remove ground vehicles. After that...let's remove acks, ships, and strat buildings. Finally, let's make it to where hangers are indesructible. We have now converted the MA into the furballer's dream...one whee the fun happens 24 hours a day...is this what we want? Well...maybe lazs and Wonton...maybe a few others...but I doubt that's what people want.
Y'all need to stop complaining about things you don't understand...buffs and bombs themselves are a part of the game that aren't going to be removed just because someone thinks they speak for everyone.
:D
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I agree with AKDejaVu, make your own fun. Last night I cruised around in an M3 trying to sneak into an enemy VH and effect a cap. In between rolling it over twice(once by turning too hard and onec going too fast down a hill) and getting acked once, I had a ball. I had one sortie with support from some guy in a pzr and one with some CAS from a squaddie. It was unconventional but a great deal of fun.
I'll happily fly any plane anywhere and at anytime(this includes driving boats and GV's) as long as im having fun and putting a little something in for my country. People slagging buffs because they carry out their reason for existing are to my mind a little like someone who changes the rules in a game to omit all the bits they can't do(if that makes sense). Theres room for ftrs and buffs and GV's, and ships too. Thats what the game is about. If all you care about is furballing and you dont want this interrupted, go to the dueling arena. Please. Just go away. Your incessant whining hurts my head.
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Well, speaking for me, who almost exclusively only flies the fighter aircraft, bombers do not ruin any of my fun and in fact increase the fun by adding variety to the threat and my target selection.
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Texace: No, that must not be what they want. If they did, they would run to the dueling arena en masse. What they want is to do a little "superior dance" and try to put forth the proposition that they are some how more manly than the buff drivers. Typical cyber-behaviour for someone feeling less than manly in RL. Best reaction is no reaction. Let them have their little rants if it makes them feel better.
GronK
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I have a real hard time understanding why some people pay money to play a WWII simulation and then complain that it's too much like the real thing. Bombers were a huge factor in winning the war and if the Germans had built better bombers the outcome may have been different. I fly both bombers and fighters and also drive the occasional GV and pt. The game is a simulation, if you don't want realism then stop paying for it.
Oh wait, I hear the response coming "Yea... then buffs should have to have 5 or 6 people to be effective". Well your right, in WWII a sole bomber with only a pilot wouldn't have been a major threat to anyone but then again neither would a whiney little snot that hadn't completed 18 months of training in fighters before that first furball. SO when you complete your flight training and log a few thousand hours in a real fighter, them I go out and recruit a full bomber crew. Until then shave those ball of fur and grow a couple real ones.
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Until then shave those ball of fur and grow a couple real ones.
Hehe, Wit of the Week.
I don't really think that a fluff milkrunning a few hangers in order to spoil the fight for the real players should be rewarded.
And a contender for Whine of the Week, all in one thread!
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"..Take you own advice and shut-up Lazshole. Try for once to come up with more than one simple, stupid, flaming-gay, boring and retarded idea....'.
I forgot hissy fit of the week.... 1 vote
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zipity wrote:
The game is a simulation, if you don't want realism then stop paying for it.
Surely you have noticed that bombers drop bombs with totally unrealistic pin-point accuracy. Bombers can hit targets in Aces High (CVs, individual hangers, etc...) that they would not have a prayer of hitting in real life. Real heavy bombers were lucky to get a strike within a few hundred yards of the aiming point.
If bombers had realistic bomb accuracy then I doubt many would complain about them, not least of all because nobody would be likely to fly them. Other elements of the game are clearly simulation but bombers are so unrealistic they are simply.... fluff.
Hooligan
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Hooligan, while it is true that buffing is not realistic in AH, the same can be said for flying fighters. There are just as many realism holes in flying fighters as there in flying buffs. Where are the gunjams in fighters? Where are the random mechanical failures? Where is the realistic engine warm-up time?
The fighter pilots have the Linda Blair 360 degree views, and the buffers have the lazer-guided bombing. Both are decisions made by HTC for whatever reason.
How many WW2 era aircraft hangers would take 3,000 pounds of bombs to be destroyed? Zero.
To argue that buffing is in any way less realistic than flying fighters is ludicrous.
Simply put, Lazs' crusade to eliminate the buffer's role in the strat game of the MA is so self serving and lacking of any logical merit, that it is laughable.
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Fighter vs. fighter combat is still by far most realistic part of AH. Furthermore the obvious things you mention like lack of mechanical failure affect fighters and bombers equally. Fighter weapons do not have unerring accuracy at extreme range like bombs from level bombers do, and this is HUGE difference.
On a one vs. one level at least, fighter vs. fighter combat in AH is about as realistic as HTC can make it. The same can hardly be said about bombers. In real life airfields were not captured nor disabled like they are in AH. The gamiest part of this simulation is base capture and bombers.
Hooligan
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well... fluffers are like liberals to me. They are amusing and fun to watch so long as they don't get anything they want.
banana... To class the simulation of the fighters next to the simulation of fluffs is what is laughable. Oh... and most of us simulated fighter jocks have thousands of hours of simulated fighter time... Those who don't are indeed slaughtered. And.... When did killing a hanger in WWII stop fighter action? When were all the fighters ever parked in hangers so that lazer guided bombs could destroy every single one of em?
gavor.. your choice of quotes, slavish devotion to a political cause and lack of any original thought on your own part label you as an easily amused, dishonest moron, toady..... Not that there is anything wrong with that... Perhaps you could be the guest drooler at the annual "Fluffer and village idiot convention and strat fair"???
Fluffs simply have too much effect on the other players for the amount of skill and effort required. Tone it down and they cry like babies. Face it.. people will ignore them if they have any choice. They are NOT a part of the game except for being foisted off on us like the fat nosepicking kid down the street was when we were kids. If HTC doesn't force us to play with them then we wont.
lazs
the "lazshole"
Public Relations Officer of the BK's
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To the buff pilots and to Lazs the Pink Baron...
...Is all this racket worth the effort when bomb sights and bomb dispersion will be profoundly revised in 1.09?
I know that I'll enjoy flying buffs much more when I'll have to think and work to set up the bombsight correctly.
Let's just wait and see...
[EDIT, a couple of jours later]Baaah just forget what I said. This feature won't be added in 1.09 :(
You may resume the flaming
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Actually, I don't think lazs has a problem with the buffs...he's got a problem with strat of fields. He says that bombers affect his style of play...but his last post dug through the layers of roadkill. If HTC made it to where fighters couldn't be disabled, as to simulate revertment, he'd be happy. Am I right? That's all you guys want...is to nullify the bombers so they can't affect the FH and basically force them to strat roles?
Oh, BTW...please quit using the names and colors...because it's not necesary...we get the point you don't like em...no need to highlight the fact...
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lazs,
Whats with the verbal attack? Since when did voicing an opinion warrant personal abuse?
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|Surely you have noticed that bombers drop bombs with totally |unrealistic pin-point accuracy. Bombers can hit targets in Aces |High (CVs, individual hangers, etc...) that they would not have a |prayer of hitting in real life. Real heavy bombers were lucky to |get a strike within a few hundred yards of the aiming point.
|If bombers had realistic bomb accuracy then I doubt many would |complain about them, not least of all because nobody would be |likely to fly them. Other elements of the game are clearly |simulation but bombers are so unrealistic they are simply.... fluff.
Hooligan,
I absolutely agree with your first paragraph, but disagree with the second. Tweek the guns on the bomber, adjust the accuracy of the bombs and you'll still find plenty of buff pilots who will want to refine their skills. The problem I have with some folks is they don't want to better the game, they simply want to limit it. Turn it from a WWII sim into strictly an ACM game. Most of the folks posting in these forums are really attempting to better the game for all of us, unfortunately a few others find it too challenging to do anything but resort to name calling and personal attacks and that doesn't fix anything.
a quick response to someone elses remarks, your right, airfields during WWII weren't shut down by destroying the hangers, but many were shut down when jabo and bomber attacks destroyed all the planes at that field. (check out the history channel - story of the p47).
salute,
Zip
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If you "adjust" the accuracy of the bombs to realistic levels then this will mean that about half of the bombs will hit within 800 yards of the target. There is nothing in the MA that is big enough for the bombers to aim at with a prayer of hitting.
Hooligan
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gavor.. I was voicing MY opinion. No need to get upset.
lazs
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Most ppl get upset when someone says,
and lack of any original thought on your own part label you as an easily amused, dishonest moron, toady
Thats not an honest opinion, thats a childish character attack. If you can't understand the distinction maybe you should take some lessons in social behaviour.
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obviously this is close to a nerve.:D
but how about when you hit a single fighter hangar out of a total of 3, say, that you reduce the amount of fighters available at that field by 30 %
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Well... I would say that it is more than mere opinion actually. You tend to attack by praising others who attack but... you choose some of the least imaginative and least amusing examples without any real content of your own. This would indicate that you lacked a sense of humor and that you were not too bright. Not to mention that you lacked courage. (huh huh good one jethro!). You want to attack? That's fine but do it on your own, grow some skin or don't bother. But don't cry when you get bit.
FTJR... I think what most fighter guys hate is the "drop hangers make field useless so that there are no fights for several secrtors" syndrome and the fact that it is so easy to do so. Fuel is never 0%... Allow fighters to launch till the field is completely closed. That would make it a joint effort with fighter cover to capture a field. I would also say that it wouldn't hurt to make the fields a little easier to capture. Move things along a little.
lazs
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I agree with the reward for landing a bomber. It is a real living H**L surviving a bombrun and landing your 1 enging Lanc, without rudder, gear nor flaps. Give the bomber x8 if they land it. And please turn of the Laser-Guided Bomb:D
In My Humble oppinion
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Ah yes,
Just like working with those six-year-old minds that I miss so much!
OK, we'll just have to go over things several times until you get it.
Now read it with me nice and slow...
All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
You see Lazshole, fields can be closed. It takes a lot of ordinance to close a field for fighters, bombers or Gvs. What you want is already in place! Woo Hoo!
Now let's go over it again;
All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
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All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
Now Lazshole,
It works the same way for bombers.
So read it with me nice and slow...
All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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All Bomber Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for bombers.
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OK Lazshole,
It works the same way for ground vehicles.
So read it with me nice and slow...
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Again;
Destroy the Vehicle Hanger, and the field is closed for vehicles.
Now Lazshole,
Go over this everyday until you think you understand it.
(Bangs his head on the table, "These special Ed kids are wearin me out!"
Eskimo
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You know laz this game has more options than just fur ballin. I enjoy all aspects of this game, from dog fightin to bomb runs to tank battles to PT'in. There is just about something for everyone, so why not point out the positive things not just the negative things. If you were not havin any fun in the MA then you would have been gone lone ago. If all you care about is one aspect of this game, furballin, then how about going and buyin a copy of Combat Flight sim 2 and join a squad so ya'll can hookup 1 or 2 nights a week and dog fight other squads. Better yet, I've got a copy I'll give you! E-mail me your addy and I'll have it in the mail today. Or, now here is a stretch, try playing all aspects of the game before complaining about certain aspects you don't agree with.
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ya gotta learn to take things a little less seriously my little blubber eating buddie. Learning to read and comprehend wouldn't hurt either. I am suggesting that perhaps a lone suicide .fluff lazer bombing a couple of leantoo's is not really conducive to good gameplay. Bet the kids got a kick out of you frothing at the mouth and banging yur head on the table while repeating yourself over and over eh? I know I do... thanks, damn near as good as intelligent debate.
vwe... whatever.. As I have explained many times... I don't really care what others do in the game unless.... it affects me in a lopsided manner. Lone suicide bombing creates a lopsided effect on gameplay. For the amount of effort required, one guy can spoil dozens of other players gameplay. He should either have to work harder and/or it should take more players of his ilk to do so if... that is what he wants to do. This thread is about a skilless, unrealistic act of bombing not being "rewarded" enough. I want it either rewarded less or, better yet, not possible. I believe that my view makes more sense in light of the weight of evidence. It is my opinion that it will probly go that way in any case.
lazs
the "lazshole"
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
"Oh look a lone b17 over the field droping the fighter hangers.. what a surprise."
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Originally posted by lazs2
Allow fighters to launch till the field is completely closed.
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Lazshole, looks like we gotta go over this again,
All Fighter Hangers destroyed, means the field is closed, for fighters.
Read it again and again until you got it.
BTW Lazshole,
As a teacher, I only had to go over things again and again with the retarded kids. Don't worry though, you will get it some day. Comprehension is especially hard for you tards.
Originally posted by lazs2
"Oh look a lone b17 over the field dropping the fighter hangers.. what a surprise."
Great quote by Lazshole the buff expert.
Lazshole, a lone B-17 can shut down a couple of fighter hangers, but not all of them, and not fighter opps at one field.
eskimo
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Air Launch heavy buffs at 15K from rear fields.
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Nice attempt lazs. Why not try your baiting on someone of a similar mental age to yourself. Try my 4 year old.
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Originally posted by Tac
.... or completely mess up the bomb run by bombing the sheep grazing just outside the field.
i kept doing that on b17 2 when i first started it, but now i'm doing pression bombing:)
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wow...my little blubber eating buddie... i thought you were just being obtuse but... you really aren't very bright are you? fighter hangers being down means that the field is uless to fighters for sometimes a very long time. It means that flight times are doubled. Most do not like to spend online time doing nothing (note the lack od dedicated fluffers . The fact that gameplay can be affected so eaisly is the problem.
Oh, on parent teacher day does your disgust with the "tards" show through? Probly if I had a retarded kid and you were his teacher I would have to kick your ass. I am sure that would be the best thing for everyone.
lazs
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"fighter hangers being down means that the field is uless to fighters for sometimes a very long time. It means that flight times are doubled. Most do not like to spend online time doing nothing"
So your saying that HT should remove every type of plane other than true fighters? No matter how realistic you want to make it for bombers you will still have your beloved FH's taken out. Trying to even comprehend your whine is a waste of time. It really makes me wonder how people like you have made it this far through life. You should move to France where omnipotent arrogance is a way of life.
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Hmm a coupla thoughts re all the fluffing accusations -
1.) if all this buff running is so laughably easy that any halfwit in a single buff can stop all fighter ops at any field, why don't the superior-skilled fluffwhiners simply stop wasting their time whining and clamber into a fluff to kill all the enemy's Bomber Hangars first? - it's so easy blah blah blah use mouse blah blah blah get dinner blah blah blah take shower blah blah. - Hey presto! No irritating buffs knocking out your nice fighter hangars. :eek:
2.) Awwww the fighter hangars are down! :( D'oh! Resupply them?!? Hey-presto NEW Hangars! :eek: (don't forget - this counts as a fluff mission and therefore you can do it with a mouse - no need to strain your stick or your brain, and you can take a shower & read the newspaper, get coffee at the same time).
The game has fighters & bombers, CVs & GVs. You'll have to live with it because, guess what? Some people like them. And IMO it'd a much poorer game without them all. We'd only have one map per TOD for starters...
Yes buffs are way too accurate thus hopelessly unrealistic - but that's so that they can be of some use in the MA - where all the targets they attempt to bomb are hopelessly unrealistic too: - I mean Ack that gets repaired in 15 mins? Airfields full of unlimited aircraft and vehicles? Carpet bombing the runway does nothing? Come come some mishtake shurely? No aircraft factories? No merchant shipping? No bridges... no real cities, no ground troops etc etc etc...).
Besides you always have to consider that should 100% realism be imposed on this game, none of us could play it anymore - because we have all been killed.
As the current strat set up stands, take away precision bombing then buffs are of no use other than providing fluffwhiners a free meal, the maps are static and there's not much point in furballs either: be honest - when was the last time you saw a gaggle of fighter pukes capture a field by straffing alone (in between furballs) in under 3 hours - besides, isn't the c47 counted as a fluff? - ewww. Actually - when was the last time you saw a gaggle of fighter pukes capture a field, period?
Anyone who wants the game with no strat, no buffs, no real point other than air combat is in the wrong arena - you should be in the H-2-H arenas: I think wb may still cater for this in it's free air combat arena, too.
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Some of you obviously don't think some things thru before you start spouting off. "Furballers" don't want to be rid of bombers.
When you bombers are on an offensive run, what are your targets? Do you drop on fuel? Do you drop on ammo? No. Why do you need to? You don't! You can disable your greatest threat by dropping 1 target type, the fh's. Boom! Defense over. What does that take, 9k for 3 fh's? 1 bomber doesn't do that? Better look again.
The point is this. Why not make it so that all targets relative to fighter ops must be disabled before disabling fighter operations? The laser guided sighting device wouldn't be much of an issue if bombers were required to make more than 1, 2 at the most, passes. Thats why we don't go after them much any longer. By the time we realize there is a buff at 25k, there's no point in climbing after him because its a 1 pass and run. A little too late for that.
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I dont think we're having a go at furballers. I furball 50% of the time anyway. Its the trolling of one person that has people stirred up.
I like a lot of the ideas here and Apaches are no exception. There should be more to it when making a bombing run. The fuel and ammo supplies are there to be bombed. While I dont agree that everything should be taken out in some order, I do think that more targets should be hit before FTR's are stopped. Maybe the destruction of the hangar should restrict the types or numbers that can up. Then as fuel and ammo go down they are restricted to lower and lower amounts(as already happens). Only once ammo and fuel is down are fighters stopped from upping.
I havent thought this through for long, just expanding on what Apache was saying. Didn't seem like a bad idea.
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Maybe the destruction of the hangar should restrict the types or numbers that can up.
Now there is a good idea as well, especially the types of a/c. Not sure about restricting numbers but like gavor said, I need a little more time for thought.
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Hehe - sorry Apache - I don't mean to imply all furballers want to lose buffs, and really the post was meant to be taken with a :) - but it was late & I was tired.
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Originally posted by lazs2
[fighter hangers being down means that the field is uless to fighters for sometimes a very long time. [/B]
Duh...
That's like saying
"Wings being shot off makes fighters useless for the pilot."
That's why FHs are there, and that's why they can be destroyed.
It creates a optional method of capture;
Kill the hangers,
kill the defenders,
kill the town,
capture the field.
You have also said,
Originally posted by lazs2
"Allow fighters to launch till the field is completely closed."
You must have some personal tard definition of what either "till" or "closed" means, because the above sentence is in contrast to your whining about fields being closed for fighters.
Lazshole,
Just because folks don't understand what you are trying to say doesn't make them stupid, it just means that they don't speak, or understand "tard talk".
My advice to you,
Slow the heck down when you write.
Try thinking, then writing.
Proofread and fix whatever doesn't make sense.
Proofread again and again.
Now you won't be able to write as much as you do now because it will take longer.
But maybe, you'll be able to express even one idea that makes sense.
Which is more than you do now.
eskimo
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Flying for Rookland, sending buffs to close enemy bases few times means a real capture attempt, most of the time this is the only way to stop massive gangbang and vulchfests by the other two countries.
Sorry lasz if our bombers are ruinning your fun this way.
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well my little blubber eating friend... has it occured to you that you are the only one who didn't understand what I said?
My advise to you.. slow down... read what people write before responding in a knee jerk manner. Try to not get so angry and write through a red haze. Have someone with reading comprehension skills read the posts you respond to and explain to you why your response is silly. You will still not be too bright and won't have a point but ... you won't look quite so bad and your posts will be less repetitive and.... I'm sure all will agree.... shorter.
mandoble... close and capture. Great! I got no problem with that... Close, capture and occupy.. That is optimum. Close to fighters only and let sit.... that I have a problem with. The original poster hit only FH's.
lazs
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NOW I see the point. The hangars get dropped and just sit there, so it's not a failed attempt to take the field. It's just to screw with Lazs's enjoyment of the game. Mus' be some fighter types in on the game, since they killing goons left and right. ALL to keep Lazs from having fun. Lazs, just 'cause yer paranoid don't mean they ain't all out ta get ya!
GronK
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Originally posted by lazs2
Anyhow... eskimo writes well.
lazs
From: Problems and Solutions for the Main Arena:
eskimo
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lazs, it seems you are the one having comprehension problems.
A lot of times, close to fighters only and let sit is the only way to stop being outnumbered, ganbanged and vulched.
the typical situation is as follows:
bish and kniths outnumber rooks by a large 20% players each. Both of them keep gambanging the poor rooks, trying to take bases quickly while not disturbing the other "superpower". Once the rooks have 4 or 5 fields left, they start to worry about whitch of them has more fields to win the reset and they start to attack each other. But at the same time, they keep sending hordes of vulchers to us, not attepting to take our bases, just trying to have us under control all the time. Do u find this funny for the rooks? But when the rooks send some buffs just to close the vulchers bases, then it is a evil movement to stop the vulcher/gangbanger's fun.
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Lazs2
Stateing an opinion is one thing, but you seem to turn everything into a personal attack., That's not my opinion, that's an observation. lighten up.
IcKid
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Some folks need to get off the bandwagon and formulate thier own thoughts. Thats not my opinion, just an observation.
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I would fly bombers, and drive GVs if there was more incentive....
like if they weren't so freaking gamey. That's incentive right there, actually having to know how to work the bomb sight and some real bomb dispersion and bullet dispersion.
As is there are only a handful of things you need to know to fly a bomber, take off, fly to the target on auto climb, drop bombs (very easily I might add), any fighters that engage you- you begin to turn using your rudder and pull very tight circles while happily pinging the attacking fighter, and then return to base.
Bombers are so easy, I don't see why they should get any perk points for anything they do.
-SW
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Bombers are definitely easy. A few things I'd like to see:
Required "straight and level" setup for bombsight accuracy, like the "30 second green light" in Brand WB.
More haze effect in the bombsight, so that pinpoint accuracy is lost above "historic" altitudes (20-25K).
More weather to make high altitude bombing less predictable.
No "You Are Here" AWACS map. Let pilots navigate to target.
Crater effects. If it is made harder to do precision bombing, misses should be worth something. A cratered runway should be unusable for some length of time. (Light planes could use the grass, but heavy planes should need the runway.)
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Agree popeye, on all points.
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eskimo... you were reallay a teacher?? there is a big difference between writing well and comprehending what you read.
pop.. those ideas are all fine with me.
lazs
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I see by your fine typing skills you’re a shining example of the California public school system!
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Originally posted by VWE001
I see by your fine typing skills you’re a shining example of the California public school system!
...he exclaims from the eskimo2 rooting section.
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I like the ideas here so far - but I honestly reckon that its time for a serious rework of the whole strat set up - you should make the whole battlefield situation more fluid & interdependent. It is time to drop the simplistic model & use a bit more complicated maths with more interdependence - and a lot more tagets.
ie instead of you bomb HQ therefore there's no dar at all, how about: local dar works - but only at close range, and bar dar shows only for the sectors round your launch/current field.
We should have some real cities - those big cities with factories & power plants & HQs & docks in them. The ack is heavier, the right target is harder to find, the buffer cares a lot less which is the right target if it means hanging around in the ack longer. We should have different factories: aircraft factories, GV factories, food factories, train factories, truck factories.
You kill an aircraft factory: aircraft are harder to replace, so less are available of the planes that are getting killed - if your country has 100 spits and 10 hurris up, and only 25% get back - you need to replace 75 spits, but only 7 hurris - which is in shorter supply? (Sure, I reckon we should factor in a demand thing too - if 75% of the country fly spits, then output would concentrate on spits more & a stockpile (to build up supplies) - the stockpile can be affected by bombing hangars & capturing fields - more fields more stockpile, less fields less stockpile & capturing the nmes field with hangars intact = transfer the stockpile you took)
You kill a power station: power in that district should be affected - factories are less productive - so rebuild will take longer, less fast replacement of aircraft, less supplies of ammo, dar affected a bit maybe? Some of these effects are immediate, some take a while to be felt.
And to top off the dumb ideas of the day :D :
We should use perk points a lot more to regulate the availability of aircraft & GVs. ie - your aircraft factories are all in flames - add a perk or 2 to the most popular (as determined by the current numbers in your country) planes.
Or perhaps a quota system - first 50 n1ks are free, the rest are perked. You lose a "free" n1k, then it gets replaced at a rate of one every 3 mins - so for the next 3 mins 49 are free. You lose a fighter factory, the "free" n1ks only get replaced at a rate of one every 5 mins. You lose a power supply or a supply depot as well, it goes up to 6 mins. No perk points left? Go fly an unpopular plane, it'll be free (Hurry while stocks last! ;) ). Perk points can be adjusted so they're easier to get, so it's less of a pain for newbies (or mebbe newbies get a set number of points to spend).
The more factors you add, the more complex it gets, but hopefully, the more complex you get the more realistic it gets. And the maths can probably stay simple enough to be doable (hey, I'm no expert), while producing a load of interesting nuances. Basically I'd want the whole Strat thing to be in 32-bit Grey, not black & white.
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Originally posted by lazs2
eskimo... you were reallay a teacher?? there is a big difference between writing well and comprehending what you read.
pop.. those ideas are all fine with me.
lazs
Oops,
My bad.
I should have expected that you would not be able to make such a basic connection.
Reading and writing are very inter-related. While it is expected that a person's reading abilities exceed their writing abilities, it is unlikely if not unheard of, for a person's writing abilities to exceed their reading abilities.
Tell me Lazshole, does it hurt to be such a tard?
Or are you to stupid to even know when to be embarrassed?
eskimo
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Ah, err....shouldn't that be "too" stupid eskimo?
I am not sure but there may be a misplaced comma there somewhere too.
Actually, getting back to the topic of conversation, if I had enough bombs in a B17 to take out all fighter hangers at a base I would resubscribe and do a tour just wasting fighterhangers.
Incentive enough plus the whining here would surely provide some classics.
I really hate Lancasters, lucky for furballers.
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well... I guess if a man is known by his enemies then I should indeed be embarassed by this collection of mouth breathers. Damn.... almost makes me miss ol wulfie and doomie.
I am starting to understand why my daughter was an honor roll student and can't read and doesn't know what year (or decade)WWII was fought tho.
lazs
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Let me Guess, you think it's the teacher's fault. After all , she is your daughter.
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I believe that the teachers had something to do with her grade point average.
lazs