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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wegaman on February 05, 2001, 10:51:00 AM
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Just a few minutes ago i left the MA cause i was sick and tired of being gangbaned by 40 people, and have 11 on my team. THat's 4 planes for every 1 you fly. Rooks had 28, Bishops 20, and Knits 11. Both were gangbanging us. I pay for a game, yet stop playing it at times because it is unplayable or not fun? I will have to think next time i re subscribe to AH.
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Everyone always forgets when it was their turn to be the gangbangers. For the first time in ages the rooks actually have some serious numbers. Usually we are the ones down by about 10-15 people.
Less pilots, but higher quality. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Just join one of the other teams, yes? I know some here really get wound up at side-changing, but you are paying to play, and if one side is woefully outnumbered, jump ship.
But hey, that's me. And I'm kinda kooky anyways!
Paul
http://bd5.checksix.net (http://bd5.checksix.net)
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This is why my squad does not change countries, at least 2 squads rotated this month, and it does have an effect on country balance...however I fall short of telling any CO what to do with his $29.95 a month.
Edit:"at least 2 squads rotated out of Knightland this month.."
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-05-2001).]
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Here's a hint:
If you see a big red bar and a tiny green one, avoid that grid (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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If you go back a month you'll see that rooks were getting raped last tour regularly from both Bish and Knit.
The tour before that, the bishes were decimating *everyone* in the beta terrain.
So, I guess it's our turn now. It's nice to have more then a couple serious squads on our side.
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Moose, please explain that to Caveman and Wizzer. Thank you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I've been back a little over a week, and I have seen one day where the Knights have held their own country intact. Every other day they have been forced into a tiny hole.
I don't care; that's the side I've always played, that is, the low side. That said, I wouldn't think twice about switching sides to fly if all my fields were closed. If I have one hour to fly, that is four (4) hops, max. I don't have time to watch the other side "own". I don't care about the war, I want to fly- that is my stress relief. Sitting in the tower waiting for a reset that the other two sides are in no hurry to make happen isn't what I paid to do.
Don't quit AH, just do the obvious, switch sides. People will squeak at you, but who cares? I think it is small-minded to ask the people on a low side to sit in the tower and let you toy with them. You don't pay your money to watch them fly, right?
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Huh?
::has feeling I'm making an bellybutton of myself::
(oh wait, I'm an assassin! That's two for the price of one! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
Sorry rip, that one passed as far over my head as a bish strato-buff over our HQ every 20 min.
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Don't worry Moose, Cave and Wizzer know what I'm talking about (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Left knitland due to the amazing amount of A1 furballers and almost total lack of cooperation.
That HQ raid the knits mounted on the rooks after the reset is the only example of knit cooperation i've seen in the past month and a half. Seems knits only cooperate when they have 70+ people on their side (aka, when they won the first reset).
Im rook now, and I find an AMAZING level of cooperation and common sense amongst its pilots. Its not just that vet squads like the Wrecking Crew, Assassins , etc are in it, the average rook DOES read and DOES look at the map and DOES help the team out. Need a goon? Call out for one, he will respond and bring along jabos/escort without you requesting them. This is what I expect in a team. <S> To all ye rooks, my $30 bucks are well worth it now!
Ripsnort: Count my squad into that rotation. Methinks we will stay rooks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
-Tac-
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(401k and Medical Benefits avaliable)
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" I pay for a game, yet stop playing it at times because it is unplayable"
It is? I find AH extremely playable.
" or not fun?":
Well, that's subjective isn't it?
" I will have to think next time i re subscribe to AH."
And go where? WB's? AW? FA? You'll find the same exact thing. Wait for WWIIOnline? Don't make me laugh. It'll be even WORSE there.
Don't marry yourself to a country or a situation. Change sides or fly elsewhere on the map. Those are your decisions to make and hence you decide if it's fun or not. Just if you choose to stick forever with one country or fly at one place then don't blame HTC, they didn't force you to.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 02-05-2001).]
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CC Tac,
I wonder if there are as many planned out missions on the other sides. At this point I'm used to flying large-scale sorties. Almost reminds me of watching fighters and bombers take off over my Panzer in the AK scenario.
Last night was crazy. Nimitz and the AKs had a huge attack on 17 and we leveled the field and had CAP within 5 min.
Only one goon started before the raid however, and was shot down on final approach by a lone hellkitten I was not able to chase down. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) By the time the backups had arrived, most all of the raid was RTB fuel to the carrier leaving the field wide open. I logged after that because I was dead tired, but I wonder if we got that field.
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I think we did get it. We were owning the map up until midnight.
Bish seem to use the mission planner or have squads that bring along their countrymates on attacks. I was quite surprised they took 5 of our bases near home island in less than 20 minutes. Took us an hour to retake, but it was great fun. Any Bishlander care to confirm/deny? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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This is what I expect in a team.
I don't expect anything, this is how we are different.
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Tac, think you were a Knight for what, 2 days..(maybe 1 week?) That's hardly enough time to judge a country...and depending on the time of day...its not always organized, no country is.
Our MAG-33 occasionally runs organized strikes, but we don't always do it, since time is limited for a few...
(Edit, if you were a Knight for longer than a week, then you were not on the same time I was, because I see ALOT of knight cooperation, with 332nd, -115, -111, -323, and countless other squads that cooperate)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-05-2001).]
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Also, take a look at which country is running the most OPS, in 9 out of 10 cases, they have the numbers..it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why... (numbers allows one to defend existing territory and go offensive at the same time...low numbers limits a country to defensive posture in most cases...except if Blitz is flying ) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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# mean nothing!
I've been on and the side I was playing on that night outnumbered the other 2 sides combined and we were still getting our buts whooped!
We had too many in the A1 mode and no one wanted to get organized at all.
I eventually switched to the side that had the lowest # on and started taking bases.
I think it's more of WHO you have on instead of the # you have.
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been knight since last december rip.
"We had too many in the A1 mode and no one wanted to get organized at all"
Seems to be a rather permanent thing imho.
"I think it's more of WHO you have on instead of the # you have"
Exactly. But its also a matter of the # of WHO's you have as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 02-05-2001).]
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Originally posted by Tac:
been knight since last december rip.
Again, my edit from above post: "(Edit, if you were a Knight for longer than a week, then you were not on the same time I was, because I see ALOT of knight cooperation, with 332nd, -115, -111, -323, and countless other squads that cooperate)"
Tac, from what I witnessed the few times we've been online together, is that you may not have got alot of cooperation from Knights since alot of them don't know you...fly the same country for awhile, put some successful missions up, and its amazing how cooperative folks get. Ask the Cave's ,Zigrat's, AKNimitz's about this...also, MAG-33 has never been denied their objective on mission night as of to date.
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-05-2001).]
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Tac: "(aka,when they won the first reset)"
And this even proves the will of the flyers for knights, we achieved that reset within 12 hours after being wedged into the corner with only 2 fields...we fought back hard, a two-front war, for that reset...sweeeeeet! That's why I'll always fight for this country, its got some dang good people in it willing to cooperate.
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Knights also got loyal squads. Always fun to watch the squads do their thing and be in on a corner (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1619_3845234)
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I think." - A. Eldritch
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CC Rip, however, you are talking about squad level cooperation. That is completely different. I am talking about the country-wide cooperation. A call for a goon + jabos when a field is down was rarely answered in knitland (if it ever was).Specially when home island invaded and the field in question would have helped a lot in pushing the reds out. Big green bar at A1 though.
If I need to be the last soda in the desert (aka, popular/known)to get a goon when a field is nearly flat, there's a problem there. No bashing intended, but in rookland those goons do come and bring their jabos with them.. and they are not squaddies or RW wingmen or the likes. They just know its better to take a flat field than furball uselessly for an hour over a field that is likely to take a miracle (or one of Zig's missions) to take.
Edited: I was there on the 1st reset as a Knight Rip, we had twice the numbers that evening as well as squads which had many members online & flying. It was a fun night (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Tac (edited 02-05-2001).]
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Edited: I was there on the 1st reset as a Knight Rip, we had twice the numbers that evening as well as squads which had many members online & flying. It was a fun night..
Ah, yes, but you were NOT there 12 hours earlier when we were outnumbered 2 to 1, and had 2 fields, that's where the real fun was, battling out of that hole! we had guys calling for every knit to go to another country for a reset, I said "Hell No! Battle your way out of this mess!"...then we proceeded to take the first 5 fields that eventually led to your reset (when the 1st shift had retired)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 02-05-2001).]
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sometimes knits are up, sometimes knits are down. When started flying over year ago, knits were always minority and that's why I joined. In the meantime, we were up for a while, I guess the tide's turning again.
Doesn't matter, spent 1/2 hour yesterday first getting kids of the channel talking filthy, then spent 2 1/2 hours bus-driving B26s to 18 and 17 keeping hengers down so the rot won't take over 16 (like couple other better players, e.g. mt74). Then jumped osti & spit when rot was vulching 11 (mitsu & company were the chogers/am6 vulching crew ;l-). BTW, sshh, you're an amazing low-fur, bare knives fighter! So my point being, well, it's also part of the game. Makes for a change.
Wegaman, stop whining, hurl your a.. over, jump ostis, bus-drive, keep infrastructure up, try organize stuff and learn how to mount defense up. Your score for this tour will suck but you'll be a better player overall.
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Hi!
Well, the Devil Dogs came just from the rooks , partly to see if there may be more teamwork in other countries. Now I cant tell if it is the same situation with Bishland, but I personally think one shouldnt change because there is more teamwork in one country than in another. In every country there is some great teamwork to be seen every now and then, and the opposite happens just as frequently.
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Purzel
VMF 111 =Devil Dogs= (http://www.devildogs.com)
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"Find the enemy and shoot him down, everything else is nonsense!"
M. von Richthofen
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If I need to be the last soda in the desert (aka, popular/known)to get a goon when a field is nearly flat, there's a problem there. No bashing intended, but in rookland those goons do come and bring their jabos with them.. and they are not squaddies or RW wingmen or the likes. They just know its better to take a flat field than furball uselessly for an hour over a field that is likely to take a miracle (or one of Zig's missions) to take.
Not if you never intended to take the field in the first place, you have only an hour to play, and owning doesn't fill you with a warm, fuzzy feeling.
Play whatever side you wish. The lack of cooperation you noted in Knightland is there, but you made it worse by berating players as "dumb" and "not playing right". I was involved in one of your attempts to take a base, flew the goon myself and took the capture with much help from above, but even that wasn't good enough for you. You had to tell us all how stupid we were for not doing it the way you said. The teamwork was there, you didn't see it. After listening to you I made a couple decisions:
- No more missions with Tac.
- No more listening to generals.
I had taken some of my limited time to be a team player because it suited me to do so. I (and many others involved) were thanked with a browbeating. Needless to say I don't have time for that. I wonder how many others felt that way. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I was trying the sutle(sp) approach, Kieren. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Having the teams balanced all the time is as unrealistic as zero (0) unemployment. It will NEVER happen. Between new members joining ranks and others leaving, and the different times of day people choose to play will affect this. Some days the Rooks are outnumbered and others were not. I've not found any MAJOR imbalances over the last month of flying. I hate being in furballs being outnumbered 4 to 1 so I just avoid that scenario if I feel like it. Other times I've got my back up and I'll defend a field mindlessly just to NOT let them take it, even being badly outnumbered. Sometimes you just gotta pick your fights to not be heavily outnumbered, go find a lone fighter to go H2H with, bomb some strategic targets behind enemy lines, or decide on point defense of a key position (if you're willing to take some lumps). There's lots of options besides quitting AH not the least of which is switching sides.
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hehe, Rip. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Sometimes you just have to lay the cards on the table. I honestly don't wish ill of anyone, and I hope that the new home will be more to his liking. I don't think things will be any different if the browbeating continues, but that is my opinion. There just might be enough insecure Rooks that need to be told what to think and how to act. (j/k)
What I do think is totally unrealistic is for anyone to think that people will fall at your feet any time you ask for something, or that people will always feel your mission or goal is superior to theirs. Let's face it, you announce a mission, people join or don't. You call for help, people do or don't. The world won't end either way.
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I almost always auger for a goon when called, with the exeption:
The handle calling for the goon is a "2 week wonder" who thinks bombing the runway makes it "ready for troops".
or if they calling for a goon to a field where our closest field is 80 freakin sectors away with 40 enemy fields in between and a 50 hour flight!!!
NUTTZ ( who always reads the text buffer)
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Ever notice the same guys asking for goons ?? and ya never see those guys flying a goon ??
As I see it ( no real documentation ) even if the Knights have more numbers , they are Always fighting biscuits and rooks .
What gets me , is a squad that squeakes about biscuits and rooks never fighting , then they move to rooks and fight the Knights exclusivly !~!! I feel sooo abused (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I read through the entire thread and still can't figure out how people were forced to stop flying.
AKDejaVu
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Just a few minutes ago i left the MA cause i was sick and tired of being gangbaned by 40 people..
Posted at 10:15am, central; on a Monday.
Sheesh; in the USA all that's on are invalids, kids, and retireees and folks from distant lands. The rest of us are Working for a Living. Cut HTC a bit of slack; fer crissakes, Wega; and check the numbers during 'prime time'. Seems pretty balanced then.
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Hang
1st/AG "Bishlanders" << Recruiting!!
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Ha-rummfffffh!
Long ago, when I used to be involved in nightly excursions in AH. I noticed the country gangbanging is always
I just try to be creative and do something different. Do something the other countries will least expect. I once flew a loaded P-47 way up north at about 20 feet alt just to attack the city.
I had to fly thousands and thousands (alot) of miles to drop my eggs!
Just a suggestion, if you are bored with the gangbanging. Do something you have never done before. If you can break out into the open there are lots of stuff to do. Let the mind be creative!! HeHe!
Just My Humble Opinion (JMHO)!
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Bout a month ago bishies were in a hole near 19 only like five bases we were getting killed then ten minutes after i logged it SAYS A55 capture by 1(bishes) i sat in amazement i got a messege for wtf strung out in 3 words. And when hang came in 30 min later during prime time he say "HOW DID WE GET 55" we all sat there like we dont know and someone told him he was a mazed NOW THAST IS IMPRESSIVE!
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Originally posted by Kieren:
Not if you never intended to take the field in the first place, you have only an hour to play, and owning doesn't fill you with a warm, fuzzy feeling.
Play whatever side you wish. The lack of cooperation you noted in Knightland is there, but you made it worse by berating players as "dumb" and "not playing right". I was involved in one of your attempts to take a base, flew the goon myself and took the capture with much help from above, but even that wasn't good enough for you. You had to tell us all how stupid we were for not doing it the way you said. The teamwork was there, you didn't see it. After listening to you I made a couple decisions:
- No more missions with Tac.
- No more listening to generals.
I had taken some of my limited time to be a team player because it suited me to do so. I (and many others involved) were thanked with a browbeating. Needless to say I don't have time for that. I wonder how many others felt that way. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) [/b]
OR HANGS! SCECIALLY HANG'S!
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And then you have someone like me who likes VVS aircraft over anything, and really dislikes flying non-VVS stuff(kind of a soiled feeling (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)). A history buff, basically. Give me the Il-2 and Pe-2, and I'd start helping out. Until then it's just free hunts.
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leonid, Kompol
5 GIAP VVS-KA, Knights (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Always even teams wouldn't mimic real war anyway, fact is plenty of times forces of any country in the real world can find themselves outnumbered by superior numbers, WWII Battle of Midway comes to mind, where they beat the odds. Actually for me it's fun ocassionally to be vastly out numbered because there are 'SO many targets' to shoot at, good target pratice even if your losing I think :-)
Admiral-1
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Wheres the problem Rip? We enjoy hunting Bishop and Rook zombies inbound to our little corner (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Again, I'm proud to be Knight and I'll never change side becouse outnumbered.
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