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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: muckmaw on February 11, 2002, 06:39:10 PM
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I don't know. The news of what's happening in 1.09 leaves me kinda cold. I was expecting a full Bomber Makeover, and instead we get a film editor? I'm not interested in making movies. Do we really need this? I guess it could be a learning tool, but it seems like more of a way for people to brag, and proudly display their celebrity kills. Big deal.
Please don't misunderstand me. I love this game, and I know I'm judging the update before it's out, but I was just expecting more than this. I hope there is more to this update than Pyro mentioned, because it seems like an awful long wait for a film editor I probably won't use, a VOX program we already have, a few new planes, and a new paint job on a spit.
BTW, Can they ban you account for a post like this??:D
Either way, thanks for the update Pyro.
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Uh.
Don't confuse what's easy to do from what's hard.
Making bombers fly in formation in a manner different from Atari 2600 Combat! strikes me as a hard thing to do.
Adding those features to a film viewer is easier.
These guys make one simple promise: they will update the software as fast as they can.
am I disappointed? No, I saw this coming. I have yet to be surprised by any online sim update.
Oh, and the film editor should have been done long ago. Nothing sells the product like cool videos. :D
Don't lose sleep over it.
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i am never disapointed by anything HTC does. they are a great company that does great things. if the dont add something i want ...so what. at least they're adding something:)
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I just read the "news" post and was about to post something similar to what you wrote.
The biggest thing that was (or at least it seemed to be) advertised for 1.09 was the 4 bomber control feature.
I like the addition of the uber film editor/viewer but yeah..overall I'm quite disapointed.
I hope they fix the strat system to make up for lack of 4 bomber control feature and addition of vehicles would be nice.
And no they can't ban you for that kind of post :)
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video editor + making AVI's out of it is MUCH better than having buffs in formation.
The buffs will come, but hot damn, AVI!! WOOOOHOOO!!
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Controlling 4 bombers was not the hook for me with 1.09, redoing the bombsite and bomb accuracy and perhaps a facelift for the B17 were....so adios AH.
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I don't care either way. I always thought that new aircraft should arrive a few at a time inbetween big updates, but maybe they take a long time and are a work in progress.
Can't imagine what I would do with a film editor, but I can imagine guys that will be posting them as if watching someone else play a game is thrilling. Best I can guess is I could use it to see the 'Tard Train Hall of Fames' when I go back to view who the 7 guys chasing me all over the map were. Pry wouldn't even do that, but i bet some people will enjoy the editor.
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from what I read, they were trying to release ALL of the above...
bomber formations, ah voice, film editor, planes, etc...
instead they opted for an earlier release than would have been possible otherwise..
IMO we'll probably get the bomber formations about the same time we would have received the 1.09 update if we'd have waited for the all-in-one .
so the question is: Was it better to get a partial release (as described) or better to have waited to get what we're getting now until the bombers were ready?
btw.. not impressed with the film editor.. I have IL2 for that.
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Quite a few members of the community requested the film view/editor options. I guess they just weren't whiney enough about it for it really to set in in this forum. Thankyou HTC for adding that function.
In addition, they seem to be answering the call to complete planesets for historical matchups. Bf109-E... Hurri I... BoB. I aplaud them to listening to yet another group of people on that request.
Oh... well... I'm sure HTC knows you can't please everyone anyways.
AKDejaVu
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I think HTC should have us more information about the date of the release (remember the 2 weeks thing). I am kindof tired of waiting that patch, and I pay for this ! The new features are maybe cool, but it willl not change the way that people used to play !
Yeah new planes.....are them very usefull ? or is this just an "addon" ? willl them integrate a new gameplay or is this just a compilation ? that's a lot of questions.
Will HTC take care about this poor graphic engine ? it remembers me Elite 3 in SVGA....and I pay for this.
I have an idea about gameplay : fields are to free to use for me, let me explain this.
pPlanes on fields should be launched by waves every 5 minutes, so people might be obligated to fly with friendlies, and prepare some teamplay action to make the wave usefull, instead of no end furballing wich is a lack of realism. (die-otw cycle, vulch duty).
thanks for reading my bad english and please respond :)
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Dates release not are predict to easy! Being to patience.
Whats the wrong grpahic engine? Fine looks and make downslaod smaller.
All your base are belong to us.
G
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HTC said
"This will allow us to put all of our servers back with Skuzzy where we have far more control over connectivity issues, a great level of support, and less points of failure. These things have been our highest priority."
Best news ever told:)
Now if I remember right, HTC always has a surprise or two up their sleeves. I bet one may be the ability to move the readio and clip board to a second monitor!!
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First: there have been a lot of requests for the film editor. I won't ever use it much, but it sure helps to be able to clip out that special 5 or 10 seconds and be able to email it as a small attachment than have to sort through a 30 to 60 minute clip on fast forward/rewind trying to find something everytime you want someone to see it.
Second: I don't fly MA hardly at all and mainly fly fighters in air to air, so maybe my opinion on bombers isn't worth much. But as a hardcore sim type, I like the fact that every plane I see flying is piloted by a real person and every shot fired at me is aimed by a real person. These real people face the same limitations I do in terms of attention span, physical co-ordination, aiming ability, etc. Is it not enough to have AI ack that is either way too ineffective or extremely lethal? When I fly a buff on a mission, it is a blast to stay in formation and follow WWII procedures. It would not excite me to be the puppet master for a whole cell. Besides, if I want to see huge formations of aircraft, I play Rowan's Battle of Britain. So I am not disappointed at all by the absence of this feature.
Third: New features are nice, but for me, it is all about the planeset. I love having over a hundred different choices ranging from the AH-1 Cobra to Air Force One in Fighter's Anthology. With a graphics engine update and a few minor tweaks, that would still be my favorite flight sim. Aces High lets me be anything from a tank to a B-17, but I always want more. The early war planeset is what I have been waiting for since I first started playing AH 1.03 and it seems now is the time. Spit I, Hurri I, and Emil are awesome additions, but I can't wait for a P-40B/C. Russian MiGs would be nice to have, too. I even installed WBIII temporarily to try out their A-36. I really want to see every nationality covered as well as available data permits, even the French ;)
Fourth, regarding furballing: Paying customers don't want to be told when they can takeoff. If I am paying to play, I want to play rather than sit on a runway waiting for permission. I love the CT, come fly there. On a relative scale, less furballs more co-ordination than the MA. I like having the choice myself.
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Personally, I'm more than thrilled about a solid film editor. I spent years in WB listening to ICI, IMOL, etc tell us that film was just down the road. I leave online flight for a while, return here and find that we have film! I'm overjoyed. And then to find that we're gonna get a decently featured editor very soon. I'm giddy. :)
IMO, no tool is as useful to those pilots who honestly care about getting better than is film. We can converse till the sheep come home about fake reverse chandell flip-flops lag turns and how once you master them you're a stone killer, but I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the people who read that stuff still have no idea how to fly any particular maneuver.
Good film can change all that. While the hot sticks can (and should) still describe their magic moves, they'll also be able to say "here's a 15 second film clip demonstrating what we're talking about." Alot more concise than saying, "Well, I do that somewhere in this 25 minute film here."
I'm always concerned with improving my skills. 4 bombers glued in formation isn't gonna make me a better pilot. Changes to the bombsite isn't gonna make me a better pilot. A learning tool will make me a better pilot.
As someone who's been a customer of these guys (aside from a short lapse as they got AH off the ground and my real life took precedence) since their very beginning back with WB I know that they don't purposefully slight any one part of the game for another. If the bombing changes could have been finished to satisfaction within the timeframe that they're looking for for 1.09, they'd be a part of it. People who say that any one addition is the reason for the bomber stuff being excluded likely doesn't have any perception of the realities of programming this stuff. It's possible that there's still a month's worth of work left on the bombers. The film stuff maya been hacked out over the course of 2 days. Leaving the film out still wouldn't get the bombers done. (just a hypothetical example of course, as I myself don't know the complexities of the film system / bomber changes / etc.)
D
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What do you do with a film editor? (This is a serious question)
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Edit film (this is a serious answer)
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
I don't know. The news of what's happening in 1.09 leaves me kinda cold. I was expecting a full Bomber Makeover, and instead we get a film editor?
Dude, this ain't just a "film editor."
Long ago, a guy wrote a utility for Air Warrior called VFILM. It allowed you to view AW films from any location and distance, and allowed you to hop into the cockpit of any plane in that film.
Want to see how that Spitty made such easy meat out of you? Pull the film into VFILM and see what the pilot saw just before you went *BOOM.*
Want to see where that FW was before he teleported out of nowhere and blew you away? Pull the film into VFILM and watch the action from a distance.
What we're getting here is VFILM, bigger and better. That's not a big surprise, as the author of VFILM was known as HiTech, and legend has it that his work on VFILM convinced him that it would be fun to write a WWII combat flight sim of his own. Maybe you've heard of him.
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I'll say!!! This is an amazing feature. Let me tell you what I did earlier this evening;
1. I played films I had taken in 800x600 because that's the best
resolution that my ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder can output to the
monitor.
2. These films were played out to my Sony DV camcorder in order
to create a DV tape
3. I then captured this film back into the computer using Pinnacle Studio DV
4. The resulting clips were edited, titled and an impressive march sound track added.
5. I finally pumpted this wonder out to a 5.5 MB mpg file.
6. Now I'm wondering where I can upload this 1:40 second masterpiece so I can share it with my m8s
The new .avi generating video editor will save me the first three steps. You think Pearl Harbor had action sequences, just wait.
Thanks HTC
Beeg
Originally posted by Tac
video editor + making AVI's out of it is MUCH better than having buffs in formation.
The buffs will come, but hot damn, AVI!! WOOOOHOOO!!
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and allowed you to hop into the cockpit of any plane in that film.
OH! And it's better?
Well, now that you said that. Hell yes. Thats some cool toejam.
Thanks for the info. I seriously can't stand not knowing what things are all about, had I known that I would have really been interested in the update. How did you find this stuff PB?
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Originally posted by Creamo
and allowed you to hop into the cockpit of any plane in that film.
OH! And it's better?
Well, now that you said that. Hell yes. Thats some cool toejam.
Thanks for the info. I seriously can't stand not knowing what things are all about, had I known that I would have really been interested in the update. How did you find this stuff PB?
Pyro said so in the announcement, here:
In addition to allowing you to edit your films, this new app has many useful new features. In addition to seeing plane type and distance information, you will also see the ID’s of the pilots of enemy aircraft, and see readouts of their speed and altitude. You will also be able to move your viewpoint to other aircraft in your films instead of just being slaved to your own.
VFILM was the toejam. The graphics were just wireframes, you couldn't edit films with it (I think,) there was no AVI exporter, and it didn't work on any of the film formats that were current when I was flying AW (HT had moved on by then,) but it was AWESOME to be able to see an engagement from all sides. The new film editor sounds like VFILM on steroids. I guess that makes it the toejam's toejam, and I'm looking forward to it.
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I could have worded that better.
I should have just said I didn't know toejam about the film editor, and would rarely ever use it, which for me might be true to some extent.
However, if you can see nme icon AND jump in their cockpits, the ACM tool on how guys kill you is fantastic. This IS a great addition to the game itself. More for others than me cuz I really am just into the gameplay no matter the outcome, but hell yah I'd use it.
Plus it explains the time for 1.09. That must be a huge task.
And the "Oh it's better" part means there is all kinda stuff I didn't know about, which fortunately brings out the point, Make this Info available." I didn't play all of hiTechs other inventions, therefore Im clueless on em.
Lemme have the scoop readily available.
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My mistake :D
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Not particularly disappointed by the news of buff-formation changes
delay. In fact, i think this is the FIRST OFFICIAL WORD EVER
that mentioned this buff formation thing was scheduled at a certain
date or patch. All we had so far was a SimHQ article saying HTC was
planning on it... we were never sure it would be 1.09 or some other
upgrade. All wild and hopeful specualtions so far.
However, the film viewer/editor is a TOTALLY UNEXPECTED
function that people kept asking for on forums - even up to recently,
and everybody assumed that it would be introduced after some other
priorities were done over. I say this is a very very pleasant gift to us
AH fans around. Two thumbs up!
I say there are no such thing as 'priorities'. Everything is a priority,
and even the slightest refinement, change or enhancement in graphics
is as thrilling for me as been given a new plane to toy with.
Huzzah to HTC!
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In fact, i think this is the FIRST OFFICIAL WORD EVER
that mentioned this buff formation thing was scheduled at a certain
date or patch
I can't dig far enough to quote what I had asked for a year ago regarding the Buff's, this very thing actually. Never heard of it before then, nor until now. It's on the BBS somewhere.
What sucks is people quoting game updates when yes, where was this official update announced before?
HTC needs to get out of the secrecy of what they are doing. Had they had the IL-2 quality engine ready for 400 people on a server 2 months ago, I could see the shroud of secrecy. I think they are adding planes and a viewer, however how could I actually know in detail?
This BS just leads to doubt, complaints, and not understanding what customers are paying for. Why promote negative PR when you could be enticing them?
(Door is open AKDeja, cartwheel in. Sweep the pom poms when you leave, heh)
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Originally posted by pbirmingham
VFILM was the toejam. The graphics were just wireframes, you couldn't edit films with it (I think,) there was no AVI exporter, and it didn't work on any of the film formats that were current when I was flying AW (HT had moved on by then,) but it was AWESOME to be able to see an engagement from all sides. The new film editor sounds like VFILM on steroids. I guess that makes it the toejam's toejam, and I'm looking forward to it.
I've still got vfilm and a buncha AW training clips archived on disk here. I badgered HT every single time I saw him for a WB version of vfilm. :)
Even if it were just wireframes like in vfilm, the rest of the options would make it an indespensible training tool.
And output to AVI. I think I may cream myself. :)
D
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Originally posted by Creamo
In fact, i think this is the FIRST OFFICIAL WORD EVER
that mentioned this buff formation thing was scheduled at a certain
date or patch
I can't dig far enough to quote what I had asked for a year ago regarding the Buff's, this very thing actually. Never heard of it before then, nor until now. It's on the BBS somewhere.
What sucks is people quoting game updates when yes, where was this official update announced before?
HTC needs to get out of the secrecy of what they are doing. Had they had the IL-2 quality engine ready for 400 people on a server 2 months ago, I could see the shroud of secrecy. I think they are adding planes and a viewer, however how could I actually know in detail?
This BS just leads to doubt, complaints, and not understanding what customers are paying for. Why promote negative PR when you could be enticing them?
(Door is open AKDeja, cartwheel in. Sweep the pom poms when you leave, heh)
How many companies do you know of that publically broadcast what they have in the works? When that knowledge could certainly benifit their competitors? Not very many. It's just not good business sense.
And many things change in a business such as this, often quite suddenly. It's possible that something they have in mind to do just simply does not work. Looks alot worse for them to have to say "what we promised you isn't gonna happen" than it is for people to just be in the dark as to many of the future plans. Which is exactly why you're not likely to see any solid confirmation of anything unless it's all but done & ready to go. AFAIK, there was never any confirmation anywhere that the bomber stuff was for sure in 1.09.
If you're paying for the game in any other state than the one it's in right now, maybe you shouldn't be. Paying for a product in the hopes that it'lll become something fun for you isn't a terribly intelligent thing to do. I uderstand exactly what I'm paying for. I think it's worth well more than what it costs me as it is. Any further improvements are just icing on the cake.
As far as knowing what's in the updates, do you bother to read the posts from HTC in their news forum?
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It all sounds just peachy to me. Just peachy.
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Are we talking about 1.088 patch or 1.09 ????
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I cant even respond. Bashing every sentence of your stupidity is beyond my efforts. I've never seen so much posted be so wrong and easy to just bash, that I'm perplexed where to start !
To the point I just lose interest and laugh in awe.
Thats never been done before. Wow.
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Originally posted by Creamo
HTC needs to get out of the secrecy of what they are doing. Had they had the IL-2 quality engine ready for 400 people on a server 2 months ago, I could see the shroud of secrecy. I think they are adding planes and a viewer, however how could I actually know in detail?
This BS just leads to doubt, complaints, and not understanding what customers are paying for. Why promote negative PR when you could be enticing them?
I agree with Creamo here. If I were HTC I would much rather see the community posting "Sweet! I can't wait til we get xxxxx! When will it be ready?"-type posts, rather than of "Give us some news! What the heck are you guys working on? Its been too long!".
I don't doubt dealing with this community can be difficult for HTC - they'll never be able to satisfy everybody. But a few timely screenshots and news updates during the development cycle would go a long way toward taking the edge off the frustration of waiting for an update, and replace it with anticipation.
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Originally posted by Creamo
HTC needs to get out of the secrecy of what they are doing...
This BS just leads to doubt, complaints, and not understanding what customers are paying for.
What secrecy? HTC keep us very well-informed of what they are doing, much more than other companies I have known of in the past! Of course they can't give a running commentary of what they are doing, or they would be spending more time typing messages than actually doing anything! :rolleyes:
I also think keeping certain information back is a good idea and then no-one is disappointed if they are unable to carry out any promises at the times they hoped. I think, instead of criticising HTC you should be thanking them for keeping us informed about what is in the works! :)
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Creamo...
Seems to me you need to spend a little more time reading what HTC is actually telling us before going on and on about what they aren't telling us.
Come on... admit it... you saw "film editor" and you simply skimmed through it.
The main problem I see with this game or any other game is the community's ability to treat the designers as if they were Gods. Hanging on every word and then criticisizing every statement. Why would they want to post what was upcoming all the time? To allow for people to come in and criticize just how much they are or aren't doing?
No patch will ever give everyone what they want, so we get to endure "disappointed" threads from a patch that includes 5 new aircraft and a new film viewer.
Personally, I'd like to see aircraft released more frequently... one at a time if need be... once a month or less. But I'm not going to come here and whine that the upcoming patch sucks before I even see it nor that HTC isn't doing enough. Its quite simply pathetic.
Is that enough cheerleading for you? Or maybe I should just throw in some uninformed bashing so I can pretend to be just like you?
AKDejaVu
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My first reaction was a bit similar. Rather than the buff overhaul and other things that have been hinted, we're getting a film editor? :rolleyes:
And the time wasted on AH Voice could've gone to fixin some of the real issues in 1.08 right now...namely the goon issue among others. I dunno, I don't use AH Voice, those that use it seem to love it.
But, I'll give them the benefit of a doubt. Hopefully the things people mentioned in the "What Broken in 1.08" will manage to be remedied.
a voice program and a film editor. Geesh. Silly me thought the next update might fix some of the blaring strat problems. LOL
The other thing I was hoping to see in the News was word of "New Maps"
I dunno, seems the buffs got screwed again.
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Not dissappointed at all.
Westy
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It sounds to me like everybody whining about the new news are forgetting how spoiled they are by the hard working staff at HTC. We all get constant updates from this company, usually within a few months of each other, and you've gotten so used to it that you expect every release to be some big hoopla of fireworks and dancing girls. :rolleyes:
Face it. Sometimes you're not going to get what you want or are hoping for. Sometimes things turn out to be much harder to do than originally anticipated. (like bomber formations) I'd rather have a new release soon than have to wait even longer.
Nobody broke any promises to you, the world isn't going to end, and the sun with rise again tomorrow. So stop acting so mellodramatic about it. Chances are if you don't like this release, that the next one will probably be really cool to you. But, of course, there will still be someone sitting in the corner pouting who will take their ball, and go home.
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Oh go bake me a cake Flossy. And get me a tissue, that was bee-utiful, Akdejafoo, especially the God part, but the "bashing" drama was a tear jerker too.
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Warning Floss !
you been creamed :)
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any update is a good update.
in case you have not noticed- many on-line gaming companies are having problems. developing a game like AH costs quite a bit of time and money.
any game is what you make of it.
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this ain't whining about a release. You wanna see whining, go visit the Neverwinter Nights forum. I wouldn't be surprised if someone contemplated suicide because the winter 2002 release is now a summer 2002 release. "I've been following this game for 3 years, and all you guys do is jerk our chains around!" LOL, it's sad really.
Anyways, sounds like some spiffy updates that we didn't know about are in 1.09. Looking forward to the film editor, as well as seeing some AVIs from the likes of Drex... ;)
Oh, gotta love that Hurri I! look at them 8 Brownings... death by hail of BBs!!! :D
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Originally posted by LePaul
My first reaction was a bit similar. Rather than the buff overhaul and other things that have been hinted, we're getting a film editor? :rolleyes:
And the time wasted on AH Voice could've gone to fixin some of the real issues in 1.08 right now...namely the goon issue among others. I dunno, I don't use AH Voice, those that use it seem to love it.
But, I'll give them the benefit of a doubt. Hopefully the things people mentioned in the "What Broken in 1.08" will manage to be remedied.
a voice program and a film editor. Geesh. Silly me thought the next update might fix some of the blaring strat problems. LOL
The other thing I was hoping to see in the News was word of "New Maps"
I dunno, seems the buffs got screwed again.
Oh that's rich. Explain to me how the "buffs got screwed again" exactly? Pyro simply said that those features are taking longer than they anticipated, so they are not going to hold up the rest of the things they had in 1.09 for that part. It's real simple, the buff update you are looking for is taking longer than they though. So, would you rather not have anything else new to play with while you wait for it?
They are still doing the buff update, and they are still concerned about stuff like strat. Nothing in Pyro's post says anything about them toejamcanning the buff changes or not fixing other arena balance issues. In fact, it doesn't mention maps either, one way or the other. You may get new maps, you may not. But ripping on HTC before you even see what they put in the update is just silly.
HTC has their priority list, and you have yours. HTC takes into account what they think is best for the entire business along with resources/costs and such when working on things I'm sure. You don't have any of that info. Not surprisingly, your priority list is different from theirs. Thank Cod for that.
Lephturn
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Leph and Deja, not getting into discussion about the news, but ... ... are you two part of HTC staff, relatives or whatever?
Do you two really think that HTC needs u to defend their business everytime someone say that something could be improved?
If you would work in my firm you two would be fired in a pair of weeks. All those thinking all is perfect are just useless to improve anything in this world. Give me people thinking something may be improved in some way even if they are totally wrong instead of useless cheerleaders.
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"Do you two really think that HTC needs u to defend their business everytime"
Someone has to do the dirty work of dealing with emotionally unstable hecklers.
Westy
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I won't use the film editor much except for maybe making movies, but I'm really looking forward to the early war planes we will be getting, the 110, spit, 109, hurri etc. These will be a blast. Can't wait.
Mandoble, is your firm hiring? Need a trash taker-outer?
[edit]oh yeah, the KI67 too! :)[/edit]
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ooo! Leph and Deja are defending HTC! Can I defend Leph and Deja??? or would Nim be a better choice considering he's a lawyer? ;)
Sheesh, mandoble. Where has anyone said "Aces High is perfect." ?
I won't speak for Leph or Deja or anyone else. I'll speak for myself here. I think Dale and the boys and girls are doing the best they can. They're not perfect, and they're not "gods". They're just some damned fine people working hard to put out quality work, in a timely fashion. Their prior work has earned my subscription fee, and I expect subsequent releases to have the same quality.
Am I disappointed that the buff updates are delayed? yes. Am I disappointed that the Ki-67 is the only Pac plane we're getting? yes. Do either bother me? no, I can handle delays/waits. Overall, I'm pleased with the news about 1.09.
Deja is right. You can't please everyone all the time.
*shrugs* maybe I'm a little more sympathetic to the devs because I work for a software company (tho I'm contracted out as a webmaster). I kinda know what they have to deal with, tho dealing with one customer voice per project is nothing like the 100's of customer voices they have to deal with.
HTC! do your best; that's all any of us should ask of you! tho a F4F-3, A6M2 model 21, a SBD, a B5N (or B6N), and a D3A (or D4Y) would be nice!
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Originally posted by Lephturn
Oh that's rich. Explain to me how the "buffs got screwed again" exactly? Pyro simply said that those features are taking longer than they anticipated, so they are not going to hold up the rest of the things they had in 1.09 for that part. It's real simple, the buff update you are looking for is taking longer than they though. So, would you rather not have anything else new to play with while you wait for it?
They are still doing the buff update, and they are still concerned about stuff like strat. Nothing in Pyro's post says anything about them toejamcanning the buff changes or not fixing other arena balance issues. In fact, it doesn't mention maps either, one way or the other. You may get new maps, you may not. But ripping on HTC before you even see what they put in the update is just silly.
HTC has their priority list, and you have yours. HTC takes into account what they think is best for the entire business along with resources/costs and such when working on things I'm sure. You don't have any of that info. Not surprisingly, your priority list is different from theirs. Thank Cod for that.
Lephturn
Thank Cod?
Leph, I respect a lot of what you say in other forums. What I'm disappointed by is no hint at fixing the broken strat system as we have it now. I'm holding my judgement on the Buff Improvements because Im not sure I know enough about the proposed new system. However, we've had problems with Super Goons upping from hit fields and repairing them, or just sitting on the re-arm pad, dropping, re-arming, dropping...etc. Do we have a fix for this? Patch? Nope. Instead, we are resetting maps almost daily and cycling through the same 4 maps. Then we get news that wow, more improvements to AH Voice (something I do not think that many are using...that would be an interesting survey) and we're getting a film editor.
HTC can do as they please, I'm just disappointed the blaring issues I and others have spotted are largely going un-noticed. But, we wont know for sure until 1.09 makes it out the door. But, the hints do not seem promising to me.
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... You can't please everyone all the time ...
... I think Dale and the boys and girls are doing the best they can ...
No one is questioning that.
...Am I disappointed that the buff updates are delayed? yes. Am I disappointed that the Ki-67 is the only Pac plane we're getting? yes. ...
In your opinion, posting thinks like that is positive or negative?
Read the LePaul post, is he attempting to harm HTC?
Are the first two Creamo posts something "evil"?
IMO, both of them are expresing in one way or another their views of how to improve the game, what they feel as important and what not. Is that censurable? What about the entire BBS full of messages like "Oh! What a wonderful sunset effect", "Hey, what a perfect textures", "Did u notice that superb flight model?", and so on ...
I've said that before and I'll say that again. The best demostration that we like HTC team work is that we were and are their customers. Even more, some customers also gives opinions on how to improve the game and what they see as wrong points. And this is best feedback a company can have.
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Mandoble, agreed. Customer feedback is a valuable tool. However, this BBS is not all inclusive. Most here are mostly on opposite ends of the spectrum. There aren't that many middle of the road types that post on the BBS. HTC is aware of them as well.
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What I would like to know is how many people are continually pleasently surprised when we get a new realease about the new features anc corrections we get that aren't mentioned? I know I am and by reading the posts in the few days after a release or patch is posted, I would be willing to be that a great many more are as well. Until we get the patch, the only people that know EVERYTHING that will be included in it are those employed at HTC.
So, until we see what 1.09 holds in store for us, why don't we do something original for once and NOT go around crying that the sky is falling.
Oh well, as has been said many times before, some people will squeak, whine and curse about anything (even whine about not having anyhting to whine about so they make stuff up - not that anyone has done that in this thread).
-math
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I bet it's out by the end of this week or next week :)
WOOOHOOOOO avi's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOHOOOOO bomber formations to kill (eventualy ;) )!!!!!!!!
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Actually, when I think about it, and compare what HTC has done to my own miniscule capabilities-- well, yeah, I have to admit I do think of them as gods. I think that is part of why I found the WarBird's Book of Dweeb entertaining, is nothing short of Amazing in my mind.
Amen.
;)
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Originally posted by Flossy
I also think keeping certain information back is a good idea and then no-one is disappointed if they are unable to carry out any promises at the times they hoped.
Under-promise. Over-deliver. These are the secrets to happy customers in software. Promise what you know you could deliver in three-quarters the time, and if you have overruns, you'll probably make the deadline anyway. If you don't have overruns, you can do a better hjob than you promised.
Much better than having your customers feeling you've reneged on a promise, implicit or explicit.
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Originally posted by LePaul
However, we've had problems with Super Goons upping from hit fields and repairing them, or just sitting on the re-arm pad, dropping, re-arming, dropping...etc. Do we have a fix for this? Patch? Nope. Instead, we are resetting maps almost daily and cycling through the same 4 maps.
I don't think I've ever seen a bug fix that was announced well before the patch was released...I could be wrong but all the bug fixes that I remember being fixed weren't telegraphed untill the read me file.
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Whenever I get a bit bored with AH, I try to learn a new ride. I think I have about 54 of them that I have yet to master.
eskimo
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE
...Am I disappointed that the buff updates are delayed? yes. Am I disappointed that the Ki-67 is the only Pac plane we're getting? yes. ...
In your opinion, posting thinks like that is positive or negative?
positive. it gives straight forward feedback. also, don't forget to quote all of it. "do either bother me? no." Maybe I should have been more specific at that juncture and stated I was pleased with what we were getting, so I'm not bothered by what's missing.
Read the LePaul post, is he attempting to harm HTC?
I get the impression, and I could be wrong, that he feels like HTC has been wasting their time on a feature that has been asked for repeatedly (more robust film editor). Then he flat out states the AHVoice is a waste of time. However, he does concede that maybe strat fixes will be introduced that haven't been mentioned yet
Are the first two Creamo posts something "evil"?
not at all. his first post he mentions he doesn't know what he'd do with the editor, but that he imagines other people will have fun with it. To me that seems like he thinks it's a worthwhile feature for customers, just not for him.
IMO, both of them are expresing in one way or another their views of how to improve the game, what they feel as important and what not. Is that censurable? What about the entire BBS full of messages like "Oh! What a wonderful sunset effect", "Hey, what a perfect textures", "Did u notice that superb flight model?", and so on ...
agreed. they are expressing their opinions. However, one is being delivered with, IMO, an unproductive tone. People want constructive criticism, not comments laced with sarcasm. I wouldn't expect sarcasm from a customer as a developer. Of course it's not censurable, however, the tone is, again IMO, undesirable. I think the tone is what illicited a lot of the responses to LePaul's post. I think I said the same thing back when 1.08 came out. (btw, it's nothing personal against LP, and I think he knows that. if not, now he does.) Now, what's wrong with positive feedback? ;) Constructive criticism is good. Negative comments are not; they tend to put the person you're trying to help out in a defensive, negative frame of mind. Not conducive for trying to get them receptive to your ideas and concerns when you're one voice out of many. That was my point.
I've said that before and I'll say that again. The best demostration that we like HTC team work is that we were and are their customers. Even more, some customers also gives opinions on how to improve the game and what they see as wrong points. And this is best feedback a company can have.
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if Hitech announced that after 1.09 there would be no more updates how many of you would stop playing? if ur playing the game now then u must like the game as it is and therefore no one should complain about what ur getting. if u want to complain go and make your own flight sim comparble to AH i highly doubt many of u could:p
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Originally posted by Creamo
I cant even respond. Bashing every sentence of your stupidity is beyond my efforts. I've never seen so much posted be so wrong and easy to just bash, that I'm perplexed where to start !
To the point I just lose interest and laugh in awe.
Thats never been done before. Wow.
Your attention span seems to be fairly short, as evidenced by the random pointless babbeling in your posts. I'm not at all surprised that you've got no ability to refute any of my comments.
If you want anyone to put any creedance to what you say, you might start by using full clear sentences. Barring that, you'll just be looked upon as the raving loon that you seem to be.
Ya know, you can go ahead and just say that you're unable to address my points because you don't have the intelligence. It's okay. No one's gonna think any less of you than they already do.
D
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Well, if HTC is delaying the bomber remake, it is probably for a good reason. After all it is not worth having if not done good. I realy looked forward too the new bomber system, but I will wait longer if HTC say that we must. HTC goes 120% for their customers, and U all know that.
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I would say there are 2 SIMPLE things HTC can add to 1.09 to make it a great update:
1: a new larger scale map of some peice of REAL landscape (like a working mediteranean 3 country map?).(Personally i feel this is THE most important add on we need)
2: add 1 or 2 suprise aircraft/vehicles that we havent expected.
We have an emphasis on early war planes for 1.09 (spit I,Hurri I,109e,me110) and it seems to me that maybe (as pyro has mentioned some bombers are getting facelift) HTC are working on a few earlier/later versions of bombers we already have?
A ju88g with the larger caliber weapons would be a nice suprise right?
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A B-29 Would make me a happy camper.
Actually, a few more Perk bombers, and some Perk GV's would make my day.
I know the 29 is alot to ask for. So how about a B-24, or an A-26.
Something to charge up the fluffers would be much appreciated.
A goon with a door gun!!!!!!
Wait, I know exactly what I want. Some sort of heavy lift transport that can carry one or 2 GVs!
That's my Christmas Wish.
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>>. How did you find this stuff PB?<<
Hehe, he once flew Air Warrior, as did many currently flying AH and who had also come over from WB. Air Warrior is the undisputed Grand daddy of all online flight sims :) HT aka. Hi-Tech was an old air warrior from way back. He was instrumental in many of the adaptations that went to improve AW and later, War Birds. The Vfilm editor was da bomb, and much better than the film viewer that was in use in AW. HT left and went to WBz now, he created AH which is hands down much better than any combat flight sim out there.
IMO, I shudder at the thought of 1 person controlled buff drones. I don't like the idea of it but, I figure HT knows what he's doing.
For my money, I am more interested in the improvements to the server for the sim. A stable conn will be worth it's weight in ...ahem...player controlled buff drones.
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Originally posted by Nifty
Read the LePaul post, is he attempting to harm HTC?
I get the impression, and I could be wrong, that he feels like HTC has been wasting their time on a feature that has been asked for repeatedly (more robust film editor). Then he flat out states the AHVoice is a waste of time. However, he does concede that maybe strat fixes will be introduced that haven't been mentioned yet
Harm? No...I'm stating my opinion, as others are.
Nice try at Spin, though! National Enquirier might be hiring, have you submitted a resume? :p
Yes, I think the AH Voice is a waste of time . It duplicates what I already have running. **I** (me, myself and I) would have much rather seen them fix/patch/remedy other parts of the game. Again, that's me. The thread on "Whats broken in 1.08" has many good examples of areas that need attention.
As for the "more robust film editor", I think the thing folks have asked for it one that works. Many previous versions did not, and while the current one does work, things like RATOs and things either do not show, sound or work, etc....but I don't spend a lot of time reviewing my films. I do a lot of screenshots, and that's pretty much it.
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>>This BS just leads to doubt, complaints, and not understanding what customers are paying for. Why promote negative PR when you could be enticing them? <<
Hehe, I disagree :) What leads to doubt are as whimsical as the wind to many in here.
Complaints are as plentiful as grass.
I find it hard to believe a customer would pay for somethnig (anywhere) and not know what they are paying for :)
I cannot for the life of me recall seeing any negative PR at all. I have however, seen lots of negatives from "customers".
Which would you rather have? AI buff formations complete with extra lethal mgs and super accurate bombing capability or, a stable connection? :)
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who said anyting about giving the bombers a facelift?:confused:
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>>If I were HTC I would much rather see the community posting "Sweet! I can't wait til we get xxxxx! When will it be ready?"-type posts, <<
Oboe:
LOL! It'll never happen, leastways not in here.
Mathman:
I don't see how I can be pleasantly surprised when the company lets me know in an announcement what I can expect :)
I swear though, I don't know how HT and staff can put up with some of the nonsense that goes on. It seems at times that they can't please anybody. For me, I thought what they did announce was pretty good; especially regarding whats in the works to address the connection issues. The film editor sounds as if it will be a powerful tool to help those who want to improve their skills, and can be useful to squads who want to hold their own training sessions for new recruits.
Admittedly, I am not crazy about the buff drone thingy but, I guess they want to make concessions to the buffers.
The additions to the plansets makes sense too, and broadens the amount of choice people have.
But to read some of the stuff in this thread, one would get the impression that HT has yet again gone and screwed things up for folks; c nothing could be further from the truth IMO.
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Yes, I think the AH Voice is a waste of time . True,this is your opinion
It duplicates what I already have running. **I** (me, myself and I)
This is not an opinion but a statment of fact, and is false.
What voice do you have running that can do the following
1. List in AH whos on channel.
2. Show who is currently transmitting.
3. Have a range based channel that transmit to either friendlys in the room or people in vis range in flight.
4. Be assured that who is flying will be able to here you. I.E. no need to use 6 call you can call it via voice and be assured he will here you.
5. Does not need to be brought up externaly.
6. Can encode the voice right into films.
7. Can add the ability to do voice over instructions into films post the films being made, (think of what training films can be made).
8. Can be used to do system brodcasts to everyone.
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Originally posted by hitech
What voice do you have running that can do the following
1. List in AH whos on channel.
2. Show who is currently transmitting.
3. Have a range based channel that transmit to either friendlys in the room or people in vis range in flight.
4. Be assured that who is flying will be able to here you. I.E. no need to use 6 call you can call it via voice and be assured he will here you.
5. Does not need to be brought up externaly.
6. Can encode the voice right into films.
7. Can add the ability to do voice over instructions into films post the films being made, (think of what training films can be made).
8. Can be used to do system brodcasts to everyone.
Wooohoo! That's some good chit. I really hope we get a permanent squelch list with it.
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Originally posted by hitech
(think of what training films can be made).
excellent point and you beat me to the punch.
i was thinking last night about how much trouble all the Warbirds Trainers and helpers went through to produce animated ACM to be posted on the web for tutorial purposes.
5 or 6 years ago we used Macromedia Flash, version 1 methinks, and a bunch of other tools to bring ACM to life for everyone. heck, at one point a bunch of us even considered buying CAD CAM software.
people like Worr, Boa & Krod (cant remember the other names- my apologies) spent countless hours exchanging emails and approving the final animation files.
to think that AH has that tool is mind boggling and goes to show what a little time, effort and dedication can do. having AH movies is an excellent tool for pleasure or business.
keep up the solid work HT & Co.
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Things that make ya go hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
xBAT
P.S. Ra Ra go team GO!
P.S.S. Personaly if they didnt have a patch for a year+ I'd still friggen play the game. HTC kicks booty.
P.S.S.S I think you need to have pictures of Yankee posted on the "cover" of your web site. :p
P.S.S.S.S Arent these PS thingies annoying as hell?
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Sounds very good HT.
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Originally posted by SUPERFLY
who said anyting about giving the bombers a facelift?:confused:
aww...don't get yer panties in a wad Superfly...we did a pole on the net and it seems that people are symathetic to your "condition" :D
The results can be found here...
http://b4ta.com/chthonic/better.asp?w1=bomber+facelift&w2=sleep+for+superfly
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Originally posted by Karaya One
excellent point and you beat me to the punch.
i was thinking last night about how much trouble all the Warbirds Trainers and helpers went through to produce animated ACM to be posted on the web for tutorial purposes.
5 or 6 years ago we used Macromedia Flash, version 1 methinks, and a bunch of other tools to bring ACM to life for everyone. heck, at one point a bunch of us even considered buying CAD CAM software.
people like Worr, Boa & Krod (cant remember the other names- my apologies) spent countless hours exchanging emails and approving the final animation files.
to think that AH has that tool is mind boggling and goes to show what a little time, effort and dedication can do. having AH movies is an excellent tool for pleasure or business.
keep up the solid work HT & Co.
The toughest problem I had as a WB trainer was trying to verbalize manuvers and explain what I was doing in a manner that they newb's could understand. When I read Pyro's news about the AVI stuff this was the first thing I thought of, didn't even know we could do voice overs too!!!!!!!
Crap now I'm checking everyday!!!! I haven't been this pumped up about a release since we got the a5 :)
Thanks HT and crew you guys truelly are the best in the genre!
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You dweebs cant stay away from AH even if you are disappointed to new 1.09.:D
Let the battle continue....:cool:
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My only disapointment is no green 38 ;) . every other US fighter has a variant of itself except me purty forker!
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Originally posted by hitech
Yes, I think the AH Voice is a waste of time . True,this is your opinion
It duplicates what I already have running. **I** (me, myself and I)
This is not an opinion but a statment of fact, and is false.
What voice do you have running that can do the following
1. List in AH whos on channel.
2. Show who is currently transmitting.
3. Have a range based channel that transmit to either friendlys in the room or people in vis range in flight.
4. Be assured that who is flying will be able to here you. I.E. no need to use 6 call you can call it via voice and be assured he will here you.
5. Does not need to be brought up externaly.
6. Can encode the voice right into films.
7. Can add the ability to do voice over instructions into films post the films being made, (think of what training films can be made).
8. Can be used to do system brodcasts to everyone.
Some of that sounds neat.
While I have your attention, what about the strat? Will number of goons to re up a devestated base be upped? How about the AI acks, etc? The thread I referred to (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=45098&referrerid=1831) has some really good points.
Its noble that you defend AHVoice, but how about some of the other aspects of the game? Can you address some of the issues raised in that thread? Please?
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AH voice works , sid and reaper don't get as many disco's as on RW . We are using it .
PLUS no loving "spy ware" .
Still enjoying the "road trip" HT ,
Warp factor 9 ?
Make it so !
Engage
:D
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I wasn't big on the film editor either....
until I played IL2.
some (not nearly all) of the features are the same..
I.E. any planes viewpoint, static cameras, etc.
I have learned a great deal about ACM and guns defense using this tool.
I have to ammend my comment ... I now appreciate and like the idea of what the new film editor will bring to AH.
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"....Some of that sounds neat. While I have your attention, what about the strat?..."
What the....?
Oh yeah! What that there Lepaul fella says!
bowzzher
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VERY excited about the new film editor. Its going to make my training website all the more helpful.
Nim
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I am so excited to see I will have a much better film viewer to replay that hour to climb to altitude in a buff, fly across enemy lines to bomb a target to oblivion..... then to watch a goon (only missing blue tights, red cape and letter S) fly in, drop off a box of humanitarian rations, and have the entire site pop back up like urban renewal on steriods.
Oh Oh Oh Oh, even better, I can replay those one ping magic ack deaths? And I can hear it better now from the new improvements in AHVoice?
AND doesn't all that terrain look aweful familiar? Like the same very few maps over and over and over and over and over and over and OVER? I'm glad to know we have more features in AHVoice to talk about this, and that new film viewer to keep watching re-runs, just like syndications of Giligan's Island. Geeze beginning to feel like the middle dog on a dog sled team, the scenery just doesn't change...
In all honesty, I think the AHVoice thing will be really nice to have up and working right. But some of these other things are game play related, and I would havethought been addressed before replacing the film editor. I am disapointed too that there aren't as many new planes this time up, and I'm not sure I like one pilot flying a squad of bombers. One pilot, one plane. BUT give that plane a better reflection of its performance and ord loads. Where are the incindaries?
-Abunabi
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That's the poorest fitting toupee I've ever seen.
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lol