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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: fscott on February 05, 2001, 11:30:00 PM
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Imagine, a game that rewards you for the MORE you play, rather than vice-versa. WB used to penalize us all for playing too long... $300 month, $400 month, $500+..........
Now, I can't imagine a better way to reward your faithful flyers.
Additionally, I think it totally unfair to allow someone who only spends a few hours of his week flying AH to be able to fly perk rides. The perks are there to reward the guys who work long and hard to get those perks. To give them to anyone is totally unfair.
fscott
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Originally posted by fscott:
Additionally, I think it totally unfair to allow someone who only spends a few hours of his week flying AH to be able to fly perk rides. The perks are there to reward the guys who work long and hard to get those perks. To give them to anyone is totally unfair.
fscott
Funny, I musta missed HT or Pyro saying that the perk system would only reward those who don't have a life.
But you're even wrong with your above analysis fscott. Take 2 fliers: one flies 50 flights a week and flies fighters only, with the occasional buff or C47 sortie. He kills a few, he dies a lot, but he's learning to get better all the time.
The other guy flies attack missions only, and flies 25 sorties per week. He eschews fighter combat, preferring instead to climb to 30k and attack undefended flak factories, training facilities or fuel refineries.
Guess which one is gonna get a perk plane first?
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Originally posted by fscott:
Additionally, I think it totally unfair to allow someone who only spends a few hours of his week flying AH to be able to fly perk rides. The perks are there to reward the guys who work long and hard to get those perks. To give them to anyone is totally unfair.
fscott
You must not be familiar with real hard work. Like I said before, sitting in front of your monitor getting pasty isn't working hard. Regardless, why should someone who can only fly 50 hours a month not get the same for his $29.95 as the shut-ins get for their $29.95? At the very least, their ought to be a base number of perks that everyone gets at the beginning of the tour. The pasty-skinned ones can earn more with their points, but everyone should start out a tour with enough to get 1 or 2 perk rides. Why is it unfair to allow folks who don't fly as much to have limited access to perk planes? They pay the same amount as you, they should get the same value out of it, regardless.
I'd actually like to see an answer from HTC on this. It seems they are basically saying " hey, thanks for the 30 bucks, but unless you are a shut-in with no life you won't be getting the same for that 30 bucks as the next guy.
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Well, I guess it goes back to that old $1.95 per hour thingie in WB a while back. Wah..only the rich people could fly all the time.. Wah, how bout us po folks who have to do real work for a living.
Too bad. My money bets that HT will not budge on this one. If you don't like it then go elsewhere. We have WB III coming out, WWII Online..hm..let's see... oh I'm sure there will be others.
fscott
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hours are already recorded. How about perk multiplyer bonus at the end of the tour?
That way HTC can thank those who aren't constantly eating up bandwidth (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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LOLOLOL just read another post on this board and you can find out HOW to get PLENTY of perky's WITHOUT spending hours online (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
This has been known by some for quite awhile now, it took a new guy to post the secret LOLOLOL
BigJim
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Funny fscott the way you fly you might not get enough perk points for a decent plane in 4 tours ..
yea you might be better off somwhere else really.
DW6
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Guys..... If fscott is not proof that the perk system is for morons then I don't know what is... He proves my point better than I do. No, i didn't pay him
lazs
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I think that more focus needs to be put on rewarding those who join missions, for those who get hard earned kills, and less focus for rewarding those who simply jabo a undefended Factory.
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It will be great will this moron can b&z from 30k feet without getting a scratch.
fscott
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Ripsnort, I agree with you, and I have a feeling that HTC will tweak the perk system until it feels right. Does anyone actually think that they are going to set this entire thing up and just leave it alone? This is a company that has shipped out 4 patches in one month's time and with another large update coming soon (methinks).
Lazs, I still respectfully disagree with you because of the above point. The perk system is a completely new and innovative idea when it comes to thie genre of game, and until we see the effect it has on gameplay not one person can argue either point. What I've been attempting to get across is that until we try it, we have no clue how it's going to go. If it ruins gameplay, I'll completely change my stance, but until that point we'll just have to sit back, shut up, and enjoy the ride.
On another note, fscott isn't a moron for saying that the hard working pilots deserve perks more - like all things in life, the more you work at it the more you deserve. If the system could be tweaked so that points *do* go to the harder working pilots, it would be completely fair. The idea of base perk points each tour is also a good one, so everyone could get some time in that P47M or 51H or B29. Personally, I only have 70 perks so far with my revised handle, and had 100 or so with the old one. That's 170 perks for one tour - and I'm sure I'm the average joe pilot in that respect, so you won't be seeing those perks very often.
(what I would love to buy with my perks is just *ONE* SA-9. Get those damn stratobuffs!:-)
Respectfully,
Moose
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Originally posted by Moose11:
(what I would love to buy with my perks is just *ONE* SA-9. Get those damn stratobuffs!:-)
Respectfully,
Moose
How about a HQ based ME163? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Moose, no need to dignify stupid comments and insults with an answer. Namecalling is for children, and like children, best ignored.
No one seems to mention how many points you will get for shooting down a perk plane. Who knows, you may get 200 points for a kill, just a guess. The point about the hourly rate from WB was to prove a point. Despite all the whining from the "falt-rate" crowd, they did not budge until competition forced them too. I think the same will apply to perk points. If anything, I see HT raising the costs of the initially low priced perks.
fscott
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Been flying the Me-163 in X-Plane....I want I want! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Man Fscott. You really shook the jerk tree with that one. Your first observation is interesting. The second one is silly. If they can play better then you in 1/5th the time... more perks to em I say. The perk system even with loopholes fixed will probably have some "quality points for quality play" features.
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The supreme irony will be if someone that doesn't care about perk, flies less hours and "works less hard" than you wins a perk ride and you don't. I want to hear you come back in here and say "tough". (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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ME163 would definitely be an interesting thing to fly and fly against.
Hmm.. not much word from HTC lately. Gut feeling says that either 1.06 is out soon, or they're making good use of the New Year's presants shipped to them. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Please HTC, just a *small* update? Maybe a screenshot of the cockpit art?
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I guess I must have hit the right nerve on the jerk tree. Doubt anyone will get enuff perk points by working less hard. Either spend alot of time in the plane or get better at shooting down more ppanes in less time. Either way I think they deserve the points. What else are we no-job welfare bums gonna do with our time?
fscott
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Fscott:"What else are we no-job welfare bums gonna do with our time?"
Er...start looking for a job? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I can't see the future as clearly as many apparently can; I can see the past 20/20.
If you think for one second your interpretation of how perk planes will be available is the only way... history shows that there is always a way to circumvent a process, especially in its first iteration. I know from looking at the past that we will indeed have people in perk rides quicker than you can dream, and they won't necessarily have to be high-time pilots to do it. I might be all wet here, but we'll soon see.
That isn't the point of my comment to you, Fscott. The point is you come across as "I have mine, screw the rest of you". I just think it will be funny to see what happens if you don't get your perk, and it is highly likely that just such a thing will happen. We'll see how wonderful you think the plan is then.
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Well, just considering the fact that HT stated perks will cost from 50 to 2000 points, and can prety much gaurantee I'll be flying perks every now and then.
fscott
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being able to "B&Z from 30k without getting a scratch" .... Yeah, that's what this game needs... more 30k jerkoffs with too much time on their hands in super fast planes making the game less fun for everyone else. Sure, their cowardly attempts are easy enough for even mediocre pilots to avoid but they still will be a pain... dipshits who think they are the only people who "work" for their points or that they even know what kind of online "work" is worthwhile. I can't believe they feel they've "earned" anything.
rip... What about people who have no desire to join so called "missions" but who still would want to have a "perk" plane? Not really that important to me since i will give away my perk points anyhow but others...
as to not knowing what it will be like till it happens.... Allready seen "jet day" in WB. You don't even have to have the brains gawd gave fscott to know that even one uber plane in the arena is one too many for everyone else.
"perk" points were designed originally to allow late war planes into the game... since then, they have been re-thought to be a way to modify behavior and ac balance. At this point each "type" of player is lobbying for his particular "style" to be rewarded. What has happened is that the whole idiotic system has been exposed as being complex, loophole filled and arbitrary.
No matter what direction the behavioral modification takes, be it the action, fun set or the Amish set.... some whole group will feel toejam on. And they will be right. No matter how many or how few super planes are in the arena it will be unbalancing and unfair. It will steepen the learning curve and frustration level of newbies and make for less action in the arena... Both things will leave most new (if not most period) players cold.
lazs
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The sky is falling! the sky is falling!
I am sure that HTC is thankful for your constant reminders of their impending demise.
Shake it again fscott...
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Shake...shake... I will love flying at 40k and b&zooimg.
Shake...shake...can't wait till I get my P51H and pick off 109's low on alt and energy.
Shake...shake... perks should only be for the REAL working crowd. We pasty skinned welfare bums who don't have a job but appreciate your monthly monetary contributions. Now I can get that PIV running at 1.5ghz.
fscott
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well actually... we never run into each other anyway since you would have to actually get down and dirty if you wanted to risk your precious virtual butt or lose all that hard earned (LOL) alt "advantage" to fight me and... I certainly am not going up to 30K to play hide and seek with ya.
lazs
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...waits to hear fscott if the price of the P-51H is beyond his means... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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That's alright. I believe HT is implementing a food stamp trade-in system only for welfare recipients. That means I can sarve the youngest to get my rides. ;0
fscott
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Fscott, if you think in any way I am commenting on your life and what you do with it, I am not. It's none of my business.
What I am commenting on is comments negative and positive towards a system that isn't even fully implemented yet. You say it will be wonderful, I say the jury is out. Your attitude towards those concerned about seems to be "screw you, I got mine." I am telling you that you will possibly have a disappointment when the plane you really want to fly is way beyond your ability/time/wisdom/whatever to acquire. Then we'll see if you really mean what you say when you state that it is a fair system that rewards people for the right reasons.
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Kieren, in all seriousness, I really don't care if I can't get a P51H when I want. I already know it will cost in the neighborhood of 2000 points, well beyond anyone's grasp at this point. I have around 1300 points. If I get a ride for 1300 points and then get killed, I start over with ZERO. I know that and I still say it will be a great system. So thinking that way, for me to fly a P51H, that may happen once every two months if ever. I don't care. That's the entire point of the perk system. It isn't set up to be a free ride for anyone who want to fly an uber plane. It is set up so that the rarity of these really late war planes will be rare in the arena. I'm fine with that. I'd prefer only seeing a perk ride once because I am happy with the current planeset. The P51D, La5, Fw190, and P38 are great planes to fly.
fscott
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On that point we are in complete agreement. I really don't care for the uberplane business too much either, and in fact find more fun in the earlier stuff... more of a challenge. I've spent the last two weeks reacquiring the feel for the game and have begun to stretch out and try different a/c again, and find that the ealier stuff has been the most fun.
The problem there is you can't drag down that osti attacking your base with a 109F. Likewise it is difficult to overcome wave after wave of incoming 1C's with the puny 202. You have to stay glued to the butt of an enema too long in that environment- not healthy. For that reason I have used the 51 as field defence fighter and the 1C for ack/osti suppression. Yes, even furballers occasionally help out. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Shoot, you help out alot kieren. You are fun to fly with my friend. A BIG <S> to ya.