Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: touchy on February 13, 2002, 10:30:58 AM
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I'm sure this will piss off lazs, but I would love to see the grand slam modeled in AH. I'm not talking about a denny's breakfast either. The smalle rbomb pictured is the 12000 lb tall man. The bigger one is 22000 lbs of high explosive. Would be fun to kill entire strat targets in one run. This would place much more emphasis on buff interception which was a critical part of the war. Or at large fields where hangars are clustered many oculd be dropped in on hit.
p.s. If the B29A superfortress were modelled would it be untouchable? Could anything except the 262 intercept it?
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i really agree man they should bring the Grand Slam to the Lanaster it was a awsome bomb and could have took out teh smaller air fields in one hit easily. That is why mabey two or three could be used to take out one of the major air fields.
-NOD2000
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looks like a candidate for "perk" ordinance/loadout, if such a system were ever coded in. otherwise everyone would just take the grand slam everytime...
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no they wouldnt take it all the time.....too heavy....u need a LONG runway WITHOUT anything in the way.....they would be SLOW AS HELL and slow to climb....but only one would be needed to wipe anything off the face of the map
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12000lb and 22000lb tallboys were for penetration of huge axis bunkers and underground facilities.not for destroying wide areas although id guess it was fairly substantial.Kill an entire base with 1 tallboy? if it could do that then fair enough but can we see some mention of its role or use for this purpose?
It would be usefull for HQ raids for sure.Id like to see it, but taking out bases in one hit killing all nearby will really piss people off i suspect :D. Sounds excessive lol
wouldnt 12 or 22 x 1000lbers cause just as much damage? if not more with increased area of effect?
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with a bomb that large most of its energy would be transfered into the ground on impact and/or up and away. It would still be 1 heck of a shock wave. This is similiar to what the us was using in afghanistan to collapse the tunnels in tora bora. In desert storm the us used a real big bomb and it is reoported that some british soldier thought that maybe a tactical small yield "nuclear blast" has occurred.
Unless they were air burst I dont see a need for them in ah.
I know the us were using air burst artillery rounds at some point in ww2 but I dont if the used air burst bombs. with exception of the 2 nukes used against japan.
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p.s. If the B29A superfortress were modelled would it be untouchable? Could anything except the 262 intercept it?
The 262 is completely useless even now to a 30k b17. We don't need superfortress, we have the super-17 and super lanc.
Show me a buff that has the capability to climb to altitudes where it's practically unbeatable, and I'll show you a tard that spends 2-3 hours each day climbing there.
We'd have fields porked all the time by 1 hit wonder buffdweebs who would turn the fight around singlehandedly just because they chose to waste their time by climbing to insane altitudes.
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its not insane they REALLY did go that high
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Tracer you missed the point, the current b-17 can already go up there and nothing in this game can touch it. Same applies for the lanc.
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Originally posted by mrsid2
Tracer you missed the point, the current b-17 can already go up there and nothing in this game can touch it. Same applies for the lanc.
However, with the current "magical" resupply it's hardly worth climbing to those alts. How often do you really see the uber alt HQ raid anymore? It's actually easier to up a squad of C47s to simply repair the damage than it is to thwart the attack with fighters. :p
A couple of weeks ago, I actually watched our squad hit an HQ and as I observed the "strat" listing, the percentage would drop as bombs hit. I hit refresh and could watch it climb back up as goons dropped supplies not thirty seconds later... come on, the fires weren't even out yet ;)
Yes, you will have the 32k 17/Lanc milker but frankly, if they want to spend that time getting up there, they are welcome to it. I'll just fix their damage in 10 minutes anyway.
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Alpo the situation gets different however when the numbers are really lopsided (as they usually are) and the defending country has no resources to launch goons.
At those times the statobuffers can really affect the war in a negative sense.
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I like strato buffs. If there were more of them, I would be flying the ta 152 much more often. Besides, I agree with those above, if you want to spend 3 hours climbing up there, all power to you, you are using those buffs the way they were designed. If you were a b17 pilot, and you knew that your plane out performed fighters only over 30k, where would you be flying?
If I were in a scenario with one life to give, my buff would be at 30k period.
besides ceiling for lanc is much lower than that around 22k.
Look at the charts......dont know what game your flying.......
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and here is the speed chart, got cut off, but the colors are for the same planes.
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Save your charts ergrtc. The main problem at those altitudes is that buffs outturn all fighters + can gun them down because the fighters can't do effective evasives..
Lanc can give a 109 a very hard time even at 15k when the gunner uses his rudder effectively.
IRL buffs didn't go up there alone, drop 4-5 top-of-the-line fighters and return home after dropping their bombs. Here they do.
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I like the charts.:p Ta handles fine up there, so does the p51b and p38/p47. 109 handles like dog vomit at those speeds anyway.
The last bit is true though, a lone buff shouldnt down 4-5 fighters. At the same time. If they down four fighters not working together on the same buff at the same time, then that is accurate. I have seen statements to the effect that the average lw pilot (non ace) didnt have enough ammo on a 109 to down a b-17.
I also am a backer of the 'make the buff stronger and the guns weaker' camp.
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Originally posted by mrsid2
IRL buffs didn't go up there alone, drop 4-5 top-of-the-line fighters and return home after dropping their bombs. Here they do.
:confused: What arena you flying in??? I very rarely see these "uber-alt" buffs (30K+). Let alone seeing them get 4-5 kills of "top-of-the-line" fighters.
I agree that they didn't go up there alone (IRL)... however, the arena being what it is, any type of mission will get strung out as people get shot down and simply re-up. A nice formation of B17s will eventually break down into a long string of loners.
I'm also not arguing the performance issues... (I never understood those silly charts or cared to try) Yes, most of the fighters perform like crap at the 30K+ range and if you end up in a tail chase on a buff, you are gonna die.
Sure... the occasional deep strike will climb to those alts but once again, those are the 1.5+ hour flights and if the pilot wants to put in that kind of time, he is welcome to it :p
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all the pilot has to do is to hit Alt-X, go and have supper or whatever and return to a 30k buff.
I find that nothing gets my bowel-movement going in the bathroom like having a buff autoclimb and at excessive alt when i return. :p
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Forgot Spit 9, best high alt fighter in the game, not the fastest, but the best. Although a buff beats and cealing of the lanc is not 22k in AH, in fact, saw one at 27k and one at 25k last night. Seen them above 30k aswell.
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strange wilbus. I just follow the charts, if they are not right then I could imagine it. Lanc is supposed to have zero climb after 24k
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tonight got creazy time in 262 when tryed to shot down a lancaster at 34 K was not able to get above him and speed up
lancaster just turned away without any speed lose if i tryed in 262 i faled 5 k below wasted 100 % of fuel to get aproach and no way , filmed the alll crap and wonder what keep that buuf in air when bank wings at 45 degre ?????
got him final when hi run out from fuel and tryed to glide home with 450 tas speed !!
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So it means that (like we all alreaydy know) buffs do not follow the charts or laws of physics.
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Originally posted by Alpo
:confused: What arena you flying in??? I very rarely see these "uber-alt" buffs (30K+). Let alone seeing them get 4-5 kills of "top-of-the-line" fighters.
Last night on the Uterus map I intercepted 4 Lancs who were off the map to the south near our HQ. The lowest one was at 28k. I
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Dude, if you have film of that you should send it to htc. that is not right!
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Actually I took screenshots of the first one I found. It shows my altimeter reading 31k and the Lanc about 5k away and level.
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ergRTC, charts don't allways show all although they are from AH it self.
All speeds and climb speed are with 100% fuel in all planes, all a lanc or a B17 needs is 25% fuel to get to 30k, to target and get back, if he'd had any fuel problems otw back just cut engines or fly on econmy settings.
With 100% fuel and full load the lanc won't get high at all but the way it and most other buffs are flown in AH, it will.
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The simple fact is and has always been that the guys at HTC don't know how or don't care to program bombers and GVs in any sensible, realistic, accurate, or mueaningful way. AH is a fighter game, pure and simple. Everything else is pointless.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
AH is a fighter game, pure and simple. Everything else is pointless.
I can only hope that HTC does NOT share this point of view and will honestly attempt to correct the problems. IF the performance charts are correct (I just hate knee-jerk fixes... saw enough of that crap in a recently flushed flight sim)
Fly WHAT you like, fly HOW you like, and SQUELCH the bastiche that complains! ;)