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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Lephturn on January 26, 2000, 09:47:00 AM
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Ok, many of you know I'm a fan of the Hawg. I've flown the F4u-1D a bunch and love it. I also think the F4U is modelled quite correctly. In comparison to the other planes, it seems to perform as it should, in my very un-educated opinion. I just want to make it clear I'm not claiming this bird is "over-modeled" or anything rediculous like that, and I'm not anti-allied iron by any means. If I'm biased, it's towards the F4U, not against it. That said...
I don't understand why the F4U-1C was unleashed on the arena. There was what, around 200 of these saw combat? Boy, what a can of worms. I am amazed that Pyro, the guy that changed the WB 38J-25LO to the 38J-15? (The one with no power-assisted roll) for (I believe) play balance reasons, has unleashed in the AH arena a monster that has significantly changed the arena play balance, and for the worse.
I used to be one of the few that flew the Hawg, and could make it work. I enjoyed that. Ok, sure, I had to spend more time climbing to altitude, and NEEDED an altitude advantage, but I could make it work OK. It WAS an energy fighter, and the 6x50's didn't produce for HO's or snapshots, so you had to be a good E fighter to get kills in it. Now there are HUGE numbers of F4U-1C's flying around, everybody doing the BnZ, and everybody enters the fight at 25-30k! This sucks. I don't want to spend 20 mintues climbing and heading to the target area every damn flight. I don't want to be unable to go furballin' in a N1k because of the certainty that 20 sky-high Cannon-Hawgs are gonna sweep through and kill everything with HO's and snap-shots. Now we just need a Spit XIV, a TA-152, and a couple more "uber" planes and we can open an "uber arena". In the MA though, I don't think the 1C or ANY of these planes that saw very little combat should be included. Even something that DID see a bunch of combat should be restricted from an open main arena if it will significantly affect the play balance IMHO.
Basically, I think the arena sucks right now because of the introduction of this plane. Gone is the variety of planes and fighting styles I saw before this version. Gone is the pride I once felt when flying Big Blue. Gone is the fun... for me. Sure, other new planes have been flown a bunch when first introduced, but I have never seen such a huge impact on play balance as the F4U-1C has had.
Who knows, maybe with time this will pass. Right now however, it's not fun, and I won't be flying much until the arena changes. I certainly won't be paying for it until it does.
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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I see alot of them. And they do change the gunfire solution alot. But they are just as easy to shoot down as other planes...
They are lousey for base defense (as was pounded into me by pyro and co last night)
and lots of dweebs are flying them...
Ways that they have changed the game..
Shoved the B26 off of its pedastal..
Unescorted buffs are in trouble again..
every ones "6" extends back another 300 yards.
A good vulcher has got ammo for 15 kills
All of this is a capability of the guns not neccasarily the plane.
The typhoon will have the same package.
A 4 cannon spit would have less ammo but the same hit..
If they balance the plane it will have to be in its FM. The guns are the same as the spit.
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Pongo
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I believe that the 'Alt-Monkey' syndrome is normal behavior for flying a plane that is a new airframe to the individual...expect it to go away after everyone checks out their new rides. I, for one, flew the F4U very high until I got comfortable with it.
If there is a complaint of altitude, I would blame that on the 109's, since I have seen more 109's at 20K+ than any other A/C lately.
I have talked to alot of people about F4U lately and most I talk to feel the same way about the F4U as I do, it doesn't have it's diving ability as it should. I believe this is the same A/C as the orig. F4U with addition of only cannon. A co-alt Spit can catch me in a dive, a Co-alt 109 caught me in a dive last night, that seems to me to be incorrect, but then again, the only books I've read have been with F4U vs. Japanese A/C, so, I *may* be wrong.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
+JG2+ ~Richthofen~
"There is no reason anyone would
want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and
founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977
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Lephturn-
"This too shall pass."
There is always going to be a plane that everyone wants.
Remember 2 weeks ago? You couldn't throw a rock without hitting a P51. It was the same thing (though with reduced punch).
When the 109's came out last week, they were everywhere.
B26's? No vultched field is now complete without the low B26's trolling back-and-forth.
In short, it's new, and everyone wants to try it out. I took one up last night. I like it ok, but it is in no way my favorite ride (still prefer the c205, Nikki, and 109's). Still, some people will find it fits their flying style or mission, and it will be used. Be patient, the bulk of the pilots will grow weary of being caught in bad situations over and over. Just as you described, an F4U caught lower is in big trouble from any a/c that can come anywhere near matching its speed.
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The first time I flew the F4u-1C, everything pulled away from me in a dive. Mustang, N1k(hard to believe eh?), c.205 (lets talk overmodeled) and a Spit IX. The thing is... none of them pulled away fast enough (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
4 Kills on first sortie. All of them stemmed from people being used to not worrying about the f4u on their 6 until he got close... knowing it wouldn't be that hard to lose. Welcome to the new arena where you actually have to view most every plane with equal respect.
AKDejaVu
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I hope it does pass, but even still I don't think it's a good move to include such a little-used variant. Oh well. Sure, other planes get flown alot early, but none are anywhere near as formidable as the 1C is right now. Check the scoring page: "The f4u1c has 1969 kills and has been killed 991 times." Find me any other plane that did that when introduced. Yeah, lots of dweebs and pilots unfamiliar with it are flying it... and they are STILL kicking big time ass. That hasn't happened with any other plane that I'm aware of, in AH or WB in the past.
I want to address some of the FM issues others have raised in this thread. I stated at the start that I think the F4U is modelled well, and I still hold that opinion.
A few have mentioned "A spit caught me in a dive, a 109 caught me in a dive" etc. Well guess what, they should. Yeah, that's right, I said they should. These planes are quick accellerators and good climbers, and that means they are also great diving planes. From a co-E situation you better have a pile of separation because those bad-boys are gonna gain on you... until you hit 400 MPH or so. Once you get to high speed and accelleration is less of a factor, the Hawg really shines. I can't tell you how many times I've suckedered Spits into augering because I got them all hot and bothered "catching" me in a dive and lured them well past their highest controlleable speed.
Even in a co-E situation.. you trim the Hawg properly and do a zero G diving extension and you WILL leave all but a Pony or a 190 in the dust. Just remember that in the short-term, the quick-accellerating planes are gonna gain on you big time.
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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c.205 is not overmodelled.. it is fine the way it is!
I really have found f4u's to be lousy dogfighters.. not once in my c.205 did I lose against an f4u.
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How many of the 1969 kill by the F4U-1C were vulch kills? This plane is a vulch guru. Being vulched the other night, 8 of 12 planes that were vulching were the F4U-1C. With the massive firepower they were racking up some major kills.
It will pass. I hope it dosen't, because many times this plane is being used in a way which allows me to blow it out of the sky!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Used the correct way this plane is a complete menace! But as with any plane, there are ways to counter-act it's great capabilities.
The only time I do not care to see a F4U is when it is above me! Then I keep a good eye on it. Trust me there will be some master pilots in this bird. The fad of flying one will fade, with a few exceptions.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Damn Ghostrider! This bogey is all over me!!
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Lephturn wrote:
"flying around, everybody doing the BnZ, and everybody enters the fight at 25-30k! This sucks."
It's very usual to some ex-AW3 players, like me, start to fly at 20k or 25k. I just remember my first flight in AW, I was flying at 20k whit the Me-109k when I was shoot down by a La5 flying at 25k. The F4u-1D is not linked whit high altitude fights.
She is good but if she meets a Spit-9/Me-109G10 at 25k co-altitude and speed, the F4u-1D is dead!
Well, wait until P-38 arrives, she's fantastic at 25/30k!
Yours,
Totengräber
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"The only time I do not care to see a F4U is when it is above me! Then I keep a good eye on it."
One possible result of its introduction might be to force more fights to historical altitudes, rather than at the weed-cutting level that seems to predominate.
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Spinny, VF-17, The Jolly Rogers 8X
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I used to mainly fly the 190. I love firepower. I have been flying the F4U-C lately because of firepower. But suddenly, ive fallen in love with the plane. It handles awesome with low fuel, it handles great at high alt.
Ive been selecting the D model half the time I fly it. Why? because I want to train my gunnery before I have to pay for the game, and hitting my targets more in order to shoot them down helps my gunnery skill.
The ONLY plane in the arena I used to fly was the 190 (and the 109 before the 190 came)
I am still waiting for the P-38, as it is the ONLY allied plane I have ever loved back from the WB days, because its a beautiful bird IMO, and I love the way it handles at high alt.
As for the F4U: call me a dweeb, call me anything, but sorry, you will have to get used to see me flying it for the rest of my AH days.
For I have fallen in love with the Hawg.
P.S: I am loving the plane so much, that I ordered some $90 rudders because I love the cool maneuvers you can pull out in the Hawg with them.
I am taking my time to learn this plane.
[This message has been edited by Animal (edited 01-26-2000).]
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I agree with every thing you have said Leph. In an effort to get more planes out, HTC seems to chuck game balance out the window. I would prefer that they hang on to a new plane. Until it can be relesed with a counterpart. Had they released a late model KI with the 1C it might have been less of a drag.
BTW. Those of you that are so happy about the long boreing climb to 30k, remember you wont get your kills in this game, if you get popped befor the other guy takes the long ride down.
[This message has been edited by TT (edited 01-26-2000).]
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By the way Leph, can you please hook me up with any gunsight that works good for the Hawg? thanks..
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I don't understand why the F4U-1C was unleashed on the arena. There was what, around 200 of these saw combat?
I'm surprised as well ... don't even have a P-38 yet.
In the MA though, I don't think the 1C or ANY of these planes that saw very little combat should be included.
FWIW, I agree, especially since there are not any "historical" events running. I much prefer to keep getting shot down by planes that had historical impact. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
... I won't be flying much until the arena changes. I certainly won't be paying for it until it does.
In a similar vein, I have decided that AH would be worth my money when there are "historical" events to lure me away from the other sims. I'm still hopeful that HTC will announce a "historical" event schedule before the end of my two-week trial, since I like the overall sim more, just don't prefer the AH main arena over Warbirds' "historical activities" (looking forward to tonight's "Guadalcanal Riposte"). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
I believe that the 'Alt-Monkey' syndrome is normal behavior for flying a plane that is a new airframe to the individual...expect it to go away after everyone checks out their new rides. I, for one, flew the F4U very high until I got comfortable with it.
If there is a complaint of altitude, I would blame that on the 109's, since I have seen more 109's at 20K+ than any other A/C lately.
I have talked to alot of people about F4U lately and most I talk to feel the same way about the F4U as I do, it doesn't have it's diving ability as it should. I believe this is the same A/C as the orig. F4U with addition of only cannon. A co-alt Spit can catch me in a dive, a Co-alt 109 caught me in a dive last night, that seems to me to be incorrect, but then again, the only books I've read have been with F4U vs. Japanese A/C, so, I *may* be wrong.
Cough.. I can't even think about flying 109 higher than max. 25k, its simply just a pain to fly high in 109
Why don't we just get a compromise for this.. lets add a bunch of early war planes and do another arena for those (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
Those planes with max. only one cannon or 4 .50cal (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Btw lephturn, those 6 .50s arent that weak as you think, maybe you should consider how far you shoot next time and train up your gunnery? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
At least I think those 6 .50s are great shots..
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Some might hate me for saying this, but: Keep the Hog !
If it makes the Ta 152 any closer, keep it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I agree in this game nothing wrong with 6 x 50s....
The thing about the 4 X M2 load out on the F4U1C is that it combines the accuracy, range and ammo(in seconds) of the P51d with the wallop of the fully loaded (4 * 20) FW190... Which has no where near the firing time on its 20s... Gyro gunsight would just about finish the package....
It probably is unbalancing in this game..
Now how about 5 paras per drop tank...
Then with rockets we could take down the ack and tower...vulch the fighters and take the bunker....
Multi Role!
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Pongo
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Before reading, please note that my intention is not to whine.
One big issue are evasives. Usually I get pinged before I manage to make the situation neutral. Not to mention, this never works against the Hog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Even with good evasives, every snapshot usually ends the fight.
What this plane is ruining are risky knife fights, where taking snapshot risk is a "normal" thing.
For example, I often fly using another handle, when I fly low and wait to get bounced by high enemy. Most times I die. But the greatest accomplishment is to reverse the situation on the attacker with initial advantage. I usually get pinged during such fights. In fact, the moment the opponent goes for a shot is my greatest chance to do something. he stays in turn longer, greed overcomes reason etc (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) However, against cannon Hog it is very hard.
Again, i am not whining, these are just facts. Leave the Hog, but bring in the anti-Hog. LW plane, if possible (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Hristo (edited 01-26-2000).]
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Hristo... that's one of the problems. If we keep the 1D, we need to bring in every low-production uber-plane there is. In an open arena, it becomes an uber-arena. I don't want that. When we have an RPS then those sorts of planes can be factored in for limited periods of time with minimal impact.
I NEVER complained about 6x.50. I think the 50's are modelled right in AH, and I have many many kills in AH in the F4U-1D. I can't wait to get ahold of the P47D. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I LOVE the Hawg. What I don't like is the effect the introduction of the 1C has had on the arena. I've never seen such a big effect on gameplay by a single plane being introduced. I sincerely hope this effect fades with time, but the initial signs are not encouraging.
BTW, Animal, I'll post in the Training section the gunsite I use for the Hawg, and all planes I fly. I use a 128x128 ring and cross somebody created. I'll hafta get it up on a website. In the mean time, please feel free to email me if you want it and I'll send it along.
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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I've got to join the ranks of the F4U-1C naysayers, even though I've flown it quite a lot. When HTC starts modelling rare birds like that just to make a few people happy, you soon have people expecting other rare birds, like say the Westland Whirlwind, then come the never-saw-combat types like the F8F. I realize that creating the F4U-1C was probably pretty easy since it shares so much in common with the -1D, but its impact on the arena is much greater than its historical significance warrants.
--ra--
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I guess I can start off saying that there isn't too much historical realism in the single arena right now. We have planes of all types fighting each other in combinations never seen in any combat. We have a three sided arena that doesn't resemble too many places on earth much less ones where WW2 combat was flown. We see planes from different periods fighting each other and that gap between periods will grow wider with the introduction of the Spit5, the -109E and the C.202. The only semi historical recreations I've seen in ANY sim, have been the well (and some not-so-well) crafted scenerios in the brand-x sims.
With regards to the F4U-1C: If the US was ever faced with the bomber raids we see in the Aces High arena, they'd have been rolling off the line in greater numbers than their machine gun armed counterparts. But US South Pac forces never had to defend against high flying tough skinned four engined bombers bristling with .50's. The Japanese and Germans had to do this though and the results are the airplanes we see in AH: The N1K, FW-190A-8 and Gondola armed -109's. They all have 3 or more heavy cannon to combat such large airplanes. The defense justifies the threat. Short of removing them altogether, if the -1C's are really that much of a problem, then they will need to be countered with a great adversary: say, the version .45 Mustang. HTC and all of us flyers are creating AH's own history. We won't see real historical accuracy until limited plane sets (by time period/geography) invoked or we start scenerio play on and over historical terrains.
On a lighter note, I bet we see this same thread when the P-38 comes out <G>. Just replace every F4U-1C reference with P-38 and voila! Instant anti uber-plane thread!
MiG
[This message has been edited by MiG Eater (edited 01-26-2000).]
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Bravo MIG.
Very well said.
--Westy
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MiG-
Absolutely correct. Referring to my earlier comment, I feel that it is already subsiding. It is not much fun getting caught low in the F4U when there are Nikki's about. I saw more mustangs, 109's, Nikki's, and c205's than anything tonight.
And the sky will be blanketed by P38's when it is released. Worse, it will be seriously awful to run into one up high for anyone not in a 38. Finally, the high B17's may have something to worry about... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by dolomite (edited 01-26-2000).]
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blech, double-post.
These new buttons...
[This message has been edited by dolomite (edited 01-26-2000).]
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Now when I think of it, it is just a matter of discilpline.
When I am in 109 and high Spit bounces me, I do my best to outrun it, or cross paths and run away. Any turning/spiraling is certain death.
Seems that the same approach has to be taken against Hog. Never allow it to get a shot. While it was fun to scissor P 51 or .50 cal Hog, now it is not advisable - every Hog has cannons. Any type of scissors is very dangerous against it, for it can kill in a snapshot, especially such fragile plane as 109 is.
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yes,Pongo typhon has 4 cannons and 800 shel to give a enemy jsut it i hope stil medium alt fighter and not 20 25 K balon :-)
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you guys are forgetting the most important thing, the question that rules the AH planeset:
Is it done in WB?
That is it, the primary criteria, no excuses or reasons needed.
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Spinny, you said,
One possible result of its introduction might be to force more fights to historical altitudes, rather than at the weed-cutting level that seems to predominate.
I hate to keep singling you out, but historical altitudes in the Russian front never exceeded 16,000 feet, and were generally around 10,000 feet. Which historical altitudes are you referring to?
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leonid
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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It used to be Gadfly (you were around then weren't you?). Same thing happened, it became the cannon bird of choice for the masses. Ended up getting sneered at because of it. Public out cry was enough to have it's 20's removed and replaced with 6 50 cals. Usual circle of want/modelling vs play balance, you know the routine.
Fen
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This is not a dweeb plane.
If you lose your E in it, you are screwed.
Ask TT, I engaged his Niki with my hawg with E advantage, I overshot, and he easly accelerated and caught me.
In fact, last times Ive flown, I saw few hawgs around. Remember when the Niki came out? the sky was crawling with them. And people were saying it should be removed.
A decent niki pilot can eat hawgs for launch.
One thing is for certain: even if they remove the cannons and leave only the D model, I will keep flying it happily.
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Alright, Leonid, I'll give you that...and I will still maintain that, on your numbers. most fights in AH now do not take place at historical altitudes. I'll say again what I've said before, what we usually end up with in the main arenas (of AW, WB, and AH) is WW II planes flying in WW I environments: low-alt furballs. Cannon-armed planes have the edge in these situations, where snap shots are favored. I've flown in three online sims, and in each one, cannons were/are favored, but only because of the low alt of most of the fights.
FWIW, last night, well up to 7 PM EDT US, I didn't see many Hogs up, but I saw a lot of N1K2s, Spits, and Macci's. I typically look for hi-alt fights, but the only plane I ran into over 15K was a B26. I had to go down into the weeds around a field to find a fight...and I don't really like to do that.
Maybe this will change as more strat elements are added. I certainly hope so.
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Spinny, VF-17, The Jolly Rogers 8X
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I agree with Animal.
Lose yer E and yer dead.
at low E the HAWG ain't out running, out-diving,out-climbing,-out-living anything.
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GreyBeard
Flight Commander, Aces High
Skeleton Crew
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"It used to be Gadfly (you were around then weren't you?). Same thing happened, it became the cannon bird of choice for the masses. Ended up getting sneered at because of it. Public out cry was enough to have it's 20's removed and replaced with 6 50 cals. Usual circle of want/modelling vs play balance, you know the routine."
Actually, that was the -4B...I can just hear the yelps now if that was modeled here.
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Spinny, VF-17, The Jolly Rogers 8X
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I agree. It has become a one plane arena.
eskimo
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Spinny,
Thinking back on the last week of so, combat does seem to be occurring more at the 16,000-20,000 range than before. In fact, I can remember flying at 25-27k just to stay above the crowd, no small task in a La-5FN (I flew a Bf 109 once and was amazed at how much HP it had at 23k). Not that I really mind it as a la5 driver, but I can see your point.
It used to appear that players were more concerned with survival, flying at higher altitudes, trying to get that initial edge, but now the urge to get there PDQ is the norm.
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leonid
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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The F4U-1C....................Pony Food (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude...............Out!
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Lose yer E and yer dead.
That goes for just aboout every plane in AH.
at low E the HAWG ain't out running, out-diving,out-climbing,-out-living anything.
neither is any other plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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at low E the HAWG ain't out running, out-diving,out-climbing,-out-living anything.
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"neither is any other plane"
Hey Hris, try fighitng Niki's more often! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
those things seem to gain E like a nuclear power plant. Of course I could be wrong, I never fly the plane, but they seem to catch me up in a climb as soon as they take off.
And we all know very well how deadly YOU are with low E!
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Animal, you are correct sir, I was flying a 190,I merged HO with a Niki at 15k, no guns, and continued straight down to the ground,(low ammo, lots of wep, heading home)At merge, I was doing 300 IAS, once I got to the deck, I was doing 450 IAS. The Niki turned around and pursued me. 10 mins later, he caught me.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~
(Formerly VF-101 Grim Reapers~Defected~)
"There is no reason anyone would
want a computer in their home."
Ken Olson, president, chairman and
founder of Digital Equipment Corp.,1977
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This is a wierd and extremely biased thread.
I flew for 3 hours yesterday. In that time we defended bases, lost bases, attacked bases and captured bases. When we lost F24, it was attacked by a single bomber escorted by numerous c.205s and a few other planes. At least 4 of the aircraft were c.205s. Eventually, we took the base back and managed to sneak in at f13. Getting the rooks attention quickly, we were soon attacked by a large contingance of Spitfires and a few 109's. Once again a single bomber made it up high to bomb the base.
When we took f7, I was being trailed by 3 Spitfires as I flew a bomber to f4.
As the Bishops ammassed forces, they finally sent in numerous bombers to attack the base escorted primarily by p51s. All but one of the bombers went down in flames, and eventually all of our ack went down too. The fighters had alt on most of our countrymen and eventually forced them lower. Then and only then did the F4u's come in. Once the vulch fest had started. When we got up, we were just as prone to shoot down an F4u as a N1k... I even got 2 in one sortie despite being outnumbered 2:1 at the base and without e.
4 spits can vulch a base and nobody cares. 4 c.205s can play tag with people all day and nobody cares. 4 F4u-1Cs vulch a base and it is branded uberplane.
Those F4u-1Cs were the first I'd seen all day. If you want to talk ballance, explane why every base was destroyed by just one bomber.
AKDejaVu
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Fenris, that is my point. AH added it because it used to be in WB, and isn't now. Their strategy is to pull in disaffected WB pilots. Not a bad strategy, but not conducive to game play either.
Hopefully they will keep pumping out the planes and it will all balance out. Till then, stay high and watch your back.
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Hey I fly 109's...I'm always high (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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An interesting discovery...
Over half of the kills I have since 1.0 are F4u-1Cs. I kill one at least every other sortie. 60% of my kills were done with a SpitIX. Most of the rest were done with a F4u-1C. Half of my deaths were at the hands of an N1k pilot. The rest were c.205, F4u-1c and spitIX losses.
Maybe this is why I'm having such a hard time with any uberplane arguments. Sure alot of people are flying them, but not many are flying them well. I respect the F4u in the same way I respect the 190. I do my best to stay well out of their sights and pray they make the mistake of turning.
The noveltly will wear off.
AKDejaVu
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Lephturn,
Any new competitive plane always gets a lot of flight time. Things will settle and the process will repeat over and over. The 1C is by no means outclassing the arena but it is an extremely good vulcher. Vulching is fairly easy right now but that too will change.
Lizking, our strategy is to build and support an excellent game. By doing so, we may attract some people who are looking for something else, but most aren't. In the end, we don't expect that to be a lot of our customers. We've been through this before and know what to expect. Our business strategy isn't that shallow.
BTW, it's bad form to put words in somebody's mouth. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Maybe you should take care of that.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"The side with the fanciest uniforms loses."
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Sorry Pyro, I never came back till I searched.
I was not putting words in your mouth, but if you want to deny there is truth to what I said, I will be surprised.
I also didn't say that it was your long term business plan, nor that it was a bad thing.
At any rate, Thank you for the beta, you are building a good game and I wish you and your crew the best of luck.
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F4's don't bother me at all. Basically another vulcher plane, but IMO so is the majority of planes released right now. The spit and nik (205 in right hands maybe) are just about the only good turn fighters out there. I still have a great time in the arena, but just need to avoid the HO's that seem to plague me while trying to turn with someone. We need more planes that turn well though, like the 38 and the YAK baby! hehe
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+Jase ^Nomads^ AH
Fly-Nomadic
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You were right of course Pyro. The arena does seem to be "back to normal". I was surprised by the big effect it had on the arena at first, but it did fade.
I am now happily back in my trusty Hawg, this time with cannons. Although there are many more F4U's around than there was before, there numbers seem to be dwindling almost daily. Hopefully when the next few planes get released, the F4U-1C will lose its completely un-deserved reputation as an "uber" plane.
I'm happy to say I was wrong on this one. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs
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See? I (dolomite) told ya so... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Something tells me we won't hear quite so much complaining about the c202 or SpitV (though people may be shocked by their early war turn rate).
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Having moved here from another sim where 80 to 90% of the planes in the arena were the same plane...I find myself in heaven here in AH. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I think we have it pretty good
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I was on the other night and heard a pilot going off:
A_Brand pilot: NO WAY A N1K SHOULD OUT TURN A SPIT!
AKDejaVu: ummmm... if it has less that 50% fuel the N1k should out turn a spit easily.
A_Brand pilot: oh... it wasn't like that in the sim I came from.
AKDejaVu: AW?
A_Brand pilot: How'd you know?
Personally I like planes that fit your flying style as opposed to having to develop a style to go with the uberplane in the sim. Most people I don't really fear no matter what they are flying. Some people I simply can't touch if they are flying that special bird.
AKDejaVu